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Darn, if only you'd got here earlier because you're the fifty first customer today!
However, let me make it up to you with a great discount on this...........yadda, yadda!
Not sure about your auto show but here the thing is huge with lots of people walking around with brochures, freebees and stuff they bout at vendors. With all that I would think that no one would have really noticed someone walking around with a dipstick.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I love the 1/2 year models that VW is famous for. I think the 1/2 is just to show it is a model change.
my thinking is if they said "below invoice", they could still be bumped with dealer-addons, and more expensive.
been there, done that.
This is false.
If Chevy wanted to call their current models, 2010 models now, they could. But, what's the point? It's still going to be the current Malibu, Impala, Tahoe, Siverado, Corvette, Aveo, etc.
Now, if you're talking about vehicles that are being shown at auto shows as either design/engineering exercises, or what future models may or may not look like, those are usually just test vehicles. They may or may not make it into production for myriads of reasons.
Gestation period, planning, testing, getting subcontractors on board, regulations (current and future), manufacturability, etc all have to be considered before making any model or its model year.
Remember, the VIN, which is Federally regulated determines model year.
The Jan 1 rule is true.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The car salesmen are right on this issue; it's covered by NHTSA regulations on vehicle identification numbers (VINs). So at this moment, a newly manufactured car's model year can be either a 2007 or 2008, but nothing else (excluding of course show or concept cars, which won't be titled/registered for street use).
We aren't talking about the geneva accords here.
Also isn't there something about a car has to start production after Jan. 1st 2007 to be called a 2008 MY?
I have heard of this before however I have a feeling that this is a myth. People may say this is so because they read that other people say this is fact....so where is the reference to this fact?
Yes and no. The production line can start before January 1, 2007, but if a manufacturer wants to, they can designate any cars assembled after 1/1/07 to be 2008 models, even if no changes were made to the cars. In practice, manufacturers will wait until some kind of change has been made. For example, the upcoming revived Taurus (formerly Five Hundred) has styling changes plus an engine upgrade, and will be called a 2008 model when it arrives in April.
Sorry JB, I think the burden is on you to look through the NHTSA website (nhtsa.gov) to verify that such a rule exists. I don't have access to my handy-dandy Code of Federal Regulations here at home.
Same is true for the 2007 Mazda Tribute and apparently the '07 Mitsubishi Lancer. There was never a 1983 Corvette, to name a more well-known example.
No need to be sorry at all. I have been to NHTSA before and as before I am unable to locate this "fact" or "law"
I did find "Model Year means the year used to designate a descrete vehicle model, irrespective of the calander year in which the vehicle was actually produced" under "code of federal regulations"... The NHTSA has nothing to do with the laws and rules concerning the model year.
I HAD a feeling this "fact" or "law" has been perpetuated by the internet to the point where most will consider this "law" as "fact" although the code of federal regulations has backed up my assumption. I consider this a dead issue...... anywho lets hear more auto stories!
I can point you to more than a half dozen people that will tell you we never went to the moon.
I can point you to more than a half dozen people that will tell you that Elvis is still alive.
I can point you to more than a half a dozen people that will tell you about the cusion of a friend of theirs who wanted to get a quick tan and went to 10 different tanning places in one day and ended up being cooked from the inside.
I have at least a half dozen people telling me that they are heirs to millions of dollars but its in a foreign bank and they need my help getting it out and they will give me millions to help them.
I have at least a half dozen people telling me that if I forward their e-mail Bill Gates will give me money because they are testing an e-mail tracking software.
So I guess all those must be true too?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
But, I agree with isell....who cares?
I'm a fairly savy "car guy". I've never heard of any law that prohibits any manufacturer of designating any model year on any car. That doesn't mean there isn't a law on the books somewhere. It's just that I've never heard of one in over 25 years I've had a driver's license and have been buying cars.
Just looking back historically, all new models for the upcoming years were all intorduced at around the same time (usually Sept-Oct) of the preceding year. That's, more or less, gone by the wayside. In recent years, manufacturers seem to offer "next year's" models and time they want.
I believe the original poster's intent (at least the way I read it) was why can't manufacturers bring the "future models" they show to market immediately? The answer is usually those "show cars" are design and engineering excercises that may or may not be desireable, manufactureable, tested, approved, etc.
That may be true of VIN #s, but the manufacturer can still call the car any model year they want....regardless of what the VIN # states.
Is this why some manufacturers (Volvo, Audi, and VW come to mind) introduce new models or major updates to the U.S. in the middle of the model year and label them "2004.5" instead of "2005"?
I don't understand why some manufacturers want to market an updated model in the U.S. as a half-year increment (i.e. "2004.5") instead of bumping the model a full year ("2005")? Although the manufacturer may refer to it as a "2004.5" model within their literature, the VIN as well as all future pricing guidelines will refer to it as a 2004 model. Hence, there are now two different models with an official "2004" model year designation. That adds to some confusion among the uninitiated.
I believe it would be a much better marketing approach (if legal, as discussed previously within this thread) to bump the model a full year upon model updates, such as how Toyota/Lexus has been introducing their new models (Camry, IS, RX330, etc).
I agree, but I was just commenting on the comment that implied that since six people said its true it must be true.
I believe the original poster's intent (at least the way I read it) was why can't manufacturers bring the "future models" they show to market immediately? The answer is usually those "show cars" are design and engineering excercises that may or may not be desireable, manufactureable, tested, approved, etc.
I think the reason is cost. Some of the stuff on those "future models" have to be so advanced that it pushes the cost of the car beyond most peoples reaches.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yes, that ".5" thing is annoying and can be confusing when you sell the car -- you have to differentiate between the "old" and "new" models of the same car. This is the case for the 2004.5 Volvo S40, 2005.5 VW Jetta, and 2006.5 Kia Optima. In all cases the VIN will show the model year without the ".5"
In each of these 3 cases, there's a big difference between old and new versions.
I know that we (dealers and public alike) do, but what's the official position of the manufacturers in their brochures and promotional literature?
It depends. For the Jetta, only a relatively small number of "old" '05 Jettas were imported into the US, so the "new" Jetta was simply called a 2005. However, VW may have referred to it as the New Jetta that year; I don't recall for sure.
I'm pretty sure Volvo did call the new S40 the 2004.5 model. The interesting thing with this one is that production of both the old and new models overlapped for a couple of months (built in different plants of course).
Actually there were a few '83 Corvettes. One remains and sits in the Bowling Green, KY, Corvette assembly plant.
If I remember correctly, they said they made a few and they were mostly '82's with a few parts from the '84's that they were fitting.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
It has been so difficult to find the right CR-V.. so, I called around at least 10 Honda dealers and found one 350 miles away that has a Borrego Beige, EX-L, Navi, AWD coming in mid-March. So, I put down a deposit to clinch the deal.
The CR-V's are selling at MSRP in my area. My sister-in-law picked up a Glacier Blue for $1,500 off MSRP 80 miles from our home town. I'm willing to pay MSRP just to get the color and options that I want.
I sure hope the dealer that I made my deposit is on the up and up. I need to pick the CR-V up about a week before I drive out to pick up the motorhome.
I'll have to have a tow-bar attached to the Honda once I get to Oregon before the motorhome delivery. So much to do, so little time!
Mark156
"Hey, nice new car."
"Yeah, I bought a February Camry."
"I'm thinking of getting an April Camry, but it won't hit the dealership until March".
In a case like that it is wise to put down a deposit to hold the car.
But since you are looking at CR-V's have you thought about a Tucson? You can get one with AWD and a V-6 for about the same as you can get a CR-V with FWD and a 4 cylinder engine. So it would make sense to at least check them out.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
the original MSRP.............
The NAVI models are few and far between and that beige is one of the least popular colors.
Despite what you might hear, MSRP is actually a great value for one of these.
Seeing that you can get more for the same price I wouldn't say it was a great deal, or even a good one.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
the original MSRP.............
How bad of an accident was it in?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D