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I am here at work and I am so $%@& bored, don't even know why we are open. But hey if they want to pay me to sit in the back of the office and surf the web them fine, I'll do it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
When a car deal went really bad for me last August, I did do a review of the dealership on Edmund's. My attorney advised me that it would cost me big bucks to go to court and then I might not win. Doing the review plus posting here made me feel much better. On top of that, I met all of these nice people here. Sometimes we have to pick our battles and, even if we win the battle, it doesn't mean that we can win the war. When my students used to say, "Teacher, that isn't fair.", I would say, "Sorry, but the fair has been called off this year and there will be no rides or cotton candy." We would laugh and life went on.
FORDS LED AND STILL LEAD THE UNIVERSE!
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
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"Imports are superior"
Yes, there was about $500 holdback, and "stairstep program" - basically volume bonus from Mazda, and ata the last day of the month - pretty much anything goes.
Pitting dealers one against each other can work sometimes, especially in high population areas, we have 4 Mazda dealers within 15 miles raduis, and our clientelle seems to be more educated, so the old dealer tricks don't work here, people do their homework, research, then shop online.
As for why this lady didn't come to us to buy - my guess is out of spite. For some people winning os more important than saving money.
I paid MSRP for my Mazdaspeed3 back in July. At that time, some dealers were slapping $3K or more ADM stickers on them. I still don't think I got a bad deal; they didn't charge me for flatbedding the car I wanted from Cleveland to Cincinnati and I get free 5K oil changes for as long as I own the car...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
FORDS LED AND STILL LEAD THE UNIVERSE!"
Amen! Owned 5 of them and never had an issue.
TS
If the time you take pursuing this is less than the time it would take to hang up the phone (possibly more than once), then I guess I understand.
Otherwise, I'm not so sure.
Ford Imports are pretty darn good!
Mark
The lengthy lunch break and the early closing of shops would necessitate working a six day week
I was not a day laborer. I am sure you knew that. I only used to get 30 minutes lunch break. My daily working hours were 7:30am to 4:30PM.
Compared to that, in the United States, I get 1 hour of lunch. So I am not sure if it is the same. Again, please do not compare government offices, education services and day laborers to me. IMO, Govt offices, education services and day laborers are just as "lazy" over here, except that they have more technology at hand to get the work done. I have seen the Energy company truck with the worker sleeping inside it during lunch hours in the US too....why do you think those guys want the crewcab
In short, you can't compare Private jobs with Govt/public jobs, that too over seven seas.
In your country, the citizens have such nice manners---especially in dealing with foreign visitors. Another thing that impressed me was that when I went to the doctor, I could then go and get the medicine that I needed without a prescription---as long as I knew what to ask for. The medicine was packaged and ready with no waiting in line. This is probably a silly thing to remember, but your ice cream is much more delicious than in the U.S. I still can't find mango ice cream that matches yours.
The sad part to me was your public schools. The children have so little with which to work. The universities didn't have much either, but the professors worked very hard. Our children are so spoiled over here in terms of what they have in their schools. Too bad they don't take more advantage of our wonderful resources. I remember taking $5,000 worth of calculators, crayons, scissors, and writing paper to some of your schools. The children lit up as if it were Christmas morning and Santa had arrived.
Your cab drivers are something else. They drive 80 mph and never stop at signals. Still, everyone seems to get to their destination and I never saw many accidents. As for your airlines, that's a story for another day. I'm just glad that I had flight insurance! :P
You are pushing the right buttons Richards.....it is making me nostalgic. Guess i will buy tickets to India for summer of '08, now
The sad part to me was your public schools. The children have so little with which to work.
You bet. Studying in a public school is not what any family with a moderate income would ever want to do there.
As for your airlines, that's a story for another day. I'm just glad that I had flight insurance!
You bet again. It is a fledgling industry and still a lot to learn, and stabilize.
Another thing that impressed me was that when I went to the doctor, I could then go and get the medicine that I needed without a prescription---as long as I knew what to ask for.
Ah...now that is changing....Not all pharmacies will dispense "real" potent medicines without a prescription.
"Imports are superior"
We go on the test drive. Everything is ok, except I could not get a comfortable driving position. And, I remembered why I hate 'performance' FWD (I currently drive a Subie).
We get back, and I was up front. I found the seat uncomfortable. But, that might be because they had the extra 'plastic' from shipping the car in. I gave the salesman my info, and he asks..."do you want me to work up number?" I said, no, because I am not buying today. I have 2 other cars to check out, and need to make sure that my daughter and her booster seat will fit in the back.
He gets his sales manager to come over. He asks me what could he do....if we made an unbelievable offer, would I consider it. I say, if it was low enough such that I could leave the dealer and flip it for more money, then yes, but I acknowledged that they would be unable to do that. While that is happening, my sales person moves the EOS that I just test drove behind my car, blocking me in.
When everything was done, and they said that they could not sell t to me for what I was willing to pay (that day), which I knew, they refused to move their car. Instead, they suggested that maybe we could negotiate a deal. My response was, I will not be buying a car from you now. You will move your EOS or will drive over your lawn to the street. He said the keys are missing now....I left some nice divots after driving over the curb and up the lawn. I like my 8" of clearance on my Subie...
I thought those techniques went out in the 80's. I might buy an EOS, but not from that VW dealer.
You need to post your story on the dealership review link here. You'll see mine. I did one last August. I'll remember to stay away from VW dealerships in Virginia.
Well unless the lawn was a mud pit or had a high curb most cars would have been able to do that.
But you could have walked the car out of your way. I bet the keys would have been found real quick once you start to bounce up and down on the bumpers.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I think we will all be seeing more of that in the future. From what I have been reading cars sales have been tanking in the last few months. 2008 is shaping up to be a pretty bad year for the dealers. If you can put up with the nonsense there may be some great deals coming.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I mirror your thoughts. I can't believe this sort of thing still occurs.
-moo
After only 5 days one can tell how the year is going to shape up? Does the year usually follow what happens the first week?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
After reading various articles one can make an educated guess. If I'm wrong I'm sure you will remind me.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Right?
I have had good experiences at Stohlman Subaru sales, but I have not been impressed with thier service dept. (I have had three minor issues with my Subie....radio failure (x2), dash board squeek, and a check engine light. In all cases, it took multiple trips to fix the problem.
I have only worked at one place and that's whre I am now. We have a "Country Club" attitude and it seems to work. We just finished our 27th year in a row as the number one Honda dealer in nine states.
But we do have a few people at our store who have worked other places and I can't believe some of the stories they can tell.
In a slow store, on a slow day, they might wait five hours for a single customer to walk in. They will do ANYTHING to sell that customer a car. These places don't care about repeat or referral business like we do. They will turn that "up" over to three different "managers" before that let them leave. They don't care if the the customers are unhappy. They turn their sales people over on a monthly basis.
And, yet, sometimes these tactics work and they do sell some cars that way. I spent most of my life in So. Calif and I have been subjected to this myself.
A couple of years ago, I interviewed a guy from a local Ford store. He told me that out of 25 salespeople he had the second most senority. He had been there eight months.
You will recognize these places by their full page "screamer" ads.
Another thing, I bet it wasn't the salesman's idea to block the gentleman's car in rather the sales managers idea. They are the ones that call the shots.
If someone blocked me in at a dealership, and I work at one, I would call the cops without them knowing then watch their faces as the officer showed up. Oh, and I would never go back.
Mack :shades:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Nope, not unless someone reminds me to. Old age is sneaking up.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's the first and only good thing I've heard about "Southeast Toyota".
Maybe some of that incredible fee they charge to buy in their area goes to support their Web sites. :surprise:
Nice guys afterall.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I don’t blame you for what you did but the more I think about this situation I would have done it differently.
How about this:
Tell the salesman AND his manager that if they can give you their best deal you’re willing to reconsider but since you had some questions after your test drive you’d like both of them to come along for another test drive. You insist on both of them so that you can be sure someone is along that can answer questions so you don’t have to waste their time by needing another test drive.
Once everyone is aboard, you drive to the police station and tell your tale.
I like it, I really do. It’s better, at least legally, than using a baseball bat like another poster suggested; as much as I’d be willing to buy a ticket to watch that event.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
SO do I but it might open you up to legal problems.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's what a wife is for.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
How would you get back to your car after you had them thrown in jail?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
How so? :confuse:
You tell the police what happened the last time you came back after a test drive and since you decided you don't want the car after driving it again, you just want to ensure the same thing doesn't happen again.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
How about the response you gave to 'snake' in post 23876 ? :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Well there is the possibility that you are engaging in the act of kidnapping and grand theft (you did take the car frauduantly). These are things that you have to consider if you want to do this kind of stuff.
Also what were you going to have them arrested for? Losing keys? Last time I checked that wasn't illegal.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D