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Oh really? Vito is on his way.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I have no idea, that claim has always made me wonder to.
The used car that you can afford vs. the new car you cannot?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Though you are at times, I have good news. A study last year indicated that overly sensitive people have above normal IQ's. :shades:
To stay on topic: My Ford Explorer has a higher IQ than my Chrysler convertible.
Richard
Oh, yes he will. See post 27628.
"...there is more to jmonroe than meets the eye. He may pretend to be relatively normal,....
If he ever pretended to be relatively normal, it wasn't on this site.
"Why haven't we heard from jipster..."
Our team leader is preparing his plan.
To stay on topic: Cars pretend to be relatively normal.
Richard
Then the rumors are true. You ARE teachable. :P
To stay on topic: Can you really teach old cars new tricks?
Richard
As an OLD educator you more than most should know there are always exceptions. :P
(lest there be confusion as to who Richard was replying to in post 27628 it was ISELL)
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Many, many years ago I had a wonderful Polish student in my class. He was brilliant, creative, popular, and very dependable. Near graduation date, he was assisting me with an assembly program for the student body. He was to open and close the curtain for each speaker or musical performance. One of the motivational speakers was the regional vice president of a major soda pop company. This speaker thought that it would be funny to start off with a Polish joke. As he finished the joke, my Polish student pulled the curtain on him. The curtain actually hit the speaker and he nearly fell over. In an instant I knew what had happened and why. I loved every minute of that! Yes, the speaker apologized to the entire student body for his lack of taste. Was my student punished? Hell no. I congratulated him on his quick thinking. Even the school principal agreed with me.
To stay on topic: Cars can play funny jokes on you, which are not really funny.
Richard
I have to agree with an OLD miser like you.
To stay on topic: For every reputable car, there is at least one exception.
Richard
I thought it was "learnable". I must have an old grammar book.
Now cars... they can teach (or at least tell) todays mechanics what the problem is. Mechanics today don't need trouble shooting books like in the OLD days. How's that for staying on topic? :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Is that the long version of abnormal IQ's?
I'm just curious on a sales frontline story on how often will the deskman walk out to your negotiating desk and say, "Man this guy is bustin my b--ls. Name a number cause we need to get you out of this office so we can make some real money."
I always believed that when working the 4 square from a customer's standpoint you should be prepared and walk in with an extra wide RED El Marko. That way you can cross off the deskman's offer and counter offer in your own ink.
Well the info was updated correctly... thank you...
My customer who called me a liar came in yesterday after many phone calls and emails. :shades:
He got a great deal and I got another unit. "To stay on topic..." I wouldn't be able to afford Snake as my accountant for one hour with the commision I made mini....
GP
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's too bad we can't resurrect "Inconsiderate Buyers".
Why should we believe you? :P
Being call a liar is the one thing that is sure to bring my blood to a boil. It's usually the guy who doesn't know you and has never done business with you who says it too.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Yes because I had explained the whole situation to him.
GP
SO, what do you think? Is this some sort of organization I should avoid? Or does this seem normal? It just strikes me as out of the ordinary. I asked where they get their cars and I was told they mostly come from non-volvo dealers in the area when folks trade them in and those dealers just don't want them around.
OH, and (I'll research this through google at my earliest opportunity) they offer a warranty through Eagle(?). $1399 for 4 years and unlimited mileage ... which seems cheap. Say they been using them for 7 years and everyone has always been happy with them.
We would probably prefer CPO, but this independent dealer seems to have a monopoly in Jersey. He's got more used volvos than all 5 volvo dealers put together who are in reasonable driving distance of us. And none of those dealers have what we are looking for.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
We no longer recognize the 1920 Manual to English Grammar.
To stay on topic: An owner's manual for a 2007 Chrysler cost $25.00 plus tax.
Richard
You are VERY perceptive.
Richard
Besides, they probably know Volvos really well, unlike most used car places that get an occasional stray Swede on the lot.
Is this the place down on 9 (near Brick?) Can't remember the name (Target? Dial? I would know it if I heard it!)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
They have 3 S60Rs, by the way, and all are sticks.
We drove an XC90 yesterday and the wife is in love. So now we are on the hunt. Torchlight has 5 or 6 at the moment, but only 1 is equipped the way we want (2.5T 7-passenger with slider and bun toasters). Only thing is its got 45k miles and black interior. We'd prefer 35k and tan interior. BUT, its priced at $16,995 ('03 model), which is mighty appealing. I have yet to find anything comparable within 100 miles of us.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Not exclusively Volvo... he might have almost any import... But, he really knows Volvo, Saab and Subaru... And, he likes to get almost new Mazdas from the factory official auctions... Usually has 40-50 cars on his lot.
He knows which configurations are popular, and what to look for.. He consistently has the best used cars for those brands, at reasonable prices. He has a great reputation (40 years).. If I was looking for that kind of car, I'd go to him first..
You can bet that your exclusive Volvo independent gets most of his cars from the auction... I'm sure the local non-Volvo dealers know to call him for a bid, when they are trying to price a Volvo trade, but I doubt you could keep enough stock, just from that avenue.. But, most used cars come through the auction.. just for efficiency's sake..
If they have a good reputation, that's where I would be looking.. Not sure about that warranty company, though..
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
In all honestly, I am not fond of who volvo works with for CPO, either (called VIP). I didn't suffer major problems with my S70 during the warranty period, but of the small problems I had, they covered 1.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
As used cars, Volvos can be nothing but continual trouble. They are no longer the rugged 240's of the past. I would proceed with extreme caution if a Volvo is a must for you.
These "Johnny Come Lately" warranty companies can go out of business quickly!
Makes sense to me. It sounds like they have one set pricing. THe Volvo dealer in the area sound like they are ready to negotiate if their prices are high. This place you vissted sounds like the price is the price. Nothing wrong with that. I believe the fact that they buy these trades at local places. The warranty thru Eagle...???>> Who knows? Maybe you have to do all your warranty work there?!
Anyway sounds like a OK place
GP
And you may be right about them having those vehicles that are tough to sell. In more ways than just a manual trans. My wife reminded me that the independent volvo shop we used to use is not all that far from the dealer. So it would probably be wise to pay them to inspect it for us prior to purchase. That is, if we decide to go this route.
Thanks for the thoughts, everyone.
Greenpea, if they are set pricing, we won't be buying from them. Their asking prices are reasonable, but I still see wiggle room there. I'd be looking to knock them down $500-$1k to get the type of deal I'm typically looking for on a used vehicle.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I'm sure there are good ones out there.
I wouldn't worry so much about the kind of a store that is selling them. It is either a good car or it is not. It would be VERY wise to have a trusted Volvo mechanic inspect it.
As far ias the price, if you think it is, indeed "reasonable" why would you not buy from them. Sometimes, there really isn't any "wiggle room" and even if there is, they may feel that the next person will consider the car to be a good value and just buy it.
Good Luck!
I would be more comfortable with a V70 or XC70 myself, instead of an early XC90. Didn't they have some initial issues?
But, I like them. Really wanted to lease one in 2004 (had a fantastic deal on the table), but the wife wanted a new Odyssey. She also had an issue with the headrest pushing on her head. Felt great to me though!
The new 3.2 model is nice. Much smoother engine than the 2.5T.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Question is WHERE? and what are the ODDS of finding one? :shades:
Anything is possible :shades:
Good Luck
GP
i thought about all the 2 cents i kept giving you guys, and it occured to me that if i just keep them for myself, in about 28 years, i should have enough cents to buy a 2004 Nissan 350Z! ;-)
-thene
"insert your favorite theneism here!"
"Active Head Restaints" Great safety feature. Only time if they will ever work for your advantage is if you are rear ended. They prevent whiplash. You probably already knew that. :surprise:
I think it is funny ( Nissan has the same safety feature on all its vehicles) when people complain about them. I have had plenty of customers complain about the design of them. About 4 years ago one lady ( she was a Nun ) came in and told me she had to correct the head rest that was put on backwards. She simply turned turned the head rest around and found it comfortable. So when anyone complains about it I simply explain the reason for the head rest but than switch it around and they will find it comfortable....
GP
Btw, have you also looked at AutoLenders.com for XC90's? they seem to have a bunch. My brother recently bought a Lexus RX330 from them and is happy with his purchase.
Peeter
Now that’s what I call divine intervention. With all the sales you’ve made I‘m sure that piece of advice came ‘none’ too soon.
I’m outta here. :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
He says they go over them very well and they come with a 3-month warranty, etc, etc. I dunno. Just puts another doubt in my mind, ya know?
He dropped the price $200 this morning. And I just noticed now that his inventory sheet states "Our prices are firm, but fair." So it seems there is no negotiating. I dunno. $1800 over wholesale for a volvo I can't get inspected and I'm buying from a non-volvo dealer. I'm not writing it off yet, but this is becoming more and more of a gamble, don't ya think?
Stickguy - The T6s had most of the problems, from what I've read on swedespeed. The 2.5T is supposed to be quite reliable. Lots of good reports from happy owners. Some with over 100k. Most common complaint I've seen is rear wheel bearings. Minor maintenance issue. No biggie. Oh, and I should say that the 2.5T is more than powerful enough. I was literally shocked at how quick and agile it is. 208hp and it feels like it could run circles around our 240hp Pilot and 250hp Pacifica. And, according to IPD, their ECU reflash can knock 8 tenths off the 0-60 time.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I am surprised he said no to a third party. Maybe he thought you wanted to do that. I can understand him saying no to you maybe thinking you could steal some parts of the vehicle. But I can't understand why the salesperson won't take 2 hours out of a day for a customer tomake a sale :confuse:
GP
There was a shop in Seattle that was owned by "Swen". Swen was a Volvo fanatic and his customers were loyal to him beyond belief.
He would quickly condemm any Volvo anyone would bring to him for a pre-purchase inspection. No matter how nice the Volvo was, Swen would write up a long "laundry list" of repairs he thought the car needed. Of course, people believed every word that came out of this guys mouth.
It got so bad that we would tell people in advance what to expect and we would suggest that they simply pass on the car and save whatever he would charge them to inspect the car.
I remember once, he told a customer of ours that the Volvo she brought in had oil leaks from several different areas among other things. Of course, she passed on the car. Curious, and thinking we may have missed something, we put the car up on a rack and using a flashlight we determined there were zero oil leaks!
Maybe that shop is worried that "Swen" has moved to your neck of the woods?
Thinking back I don't know if I personally have ever done that but I know it has been done here before. I haven't had anybody want to take a car to a third party for inspection in well over a year.
Which makes me wonder.....does the management actively work so that you do not hit bonus in this situation, in order to keep shelling no more money out to you?
We are so picky ourselves that by the time I go over our detailed inspection report, they are almost always satisfied.
Sometimes, we are as bad as "Swen"!
I just got my Sienna and had a nice "polish-related" conversation with the Irish sales manager who grew up in Buffalo and that might have actually closed the deal aside from the professionalism and an attractive price offered by this excellent Toyota dealership.
Anyway, I have an MBA in Finance but I didn't bring my RPN-based HP since I was paying cash for the vehicle
But... from wikipedia: "Reverse Polish notation (or just RPN) by analogy with the related Polish notation, a prefix notation introduced in 1920 by the Polish mathematician Jan Łukasiewicz, is a mathematical notation wherein every operator follows all of its operands. It is also known as Postfix notation."
Talk about the issues this dude's first name (which also happens to be my name) causes - it's a whole another story but people visiting Europe and those who watch Tour de France and soccer get it
I still have it and it's a great truck.
Back to topic.
Visited a Toyota dealer last week to look at the new Sequoias. Was walking around the lot when approached by a salesperson. When he asked if he could be of help I had replied that I had made an appointment with another salesperson and was 10 minutes early for that appointment. He gets on his cellphone/walkietalkie trying to get a hold of that salesperson. He walks away as he is doing so and a few minutes later returns to tell me that my contact is tied up in a deal at the moment and he didn't know for how long.
I told him no problem as I really wanted to take a good look at the Sequoia and didn't know if I could end up buying it as it's looks didn't really sit well with me.
My last two used cars were purchased at a dealer that sold the same brand new. I didn't get them looked at by my mechanic and I've had no trouble with them, even after 80K miles on one of them.
The last time I had one checked was in 1987. The salesman had no problem with me taking it 15 miles away for a couple of hours. My mechanic found a couple of oil leaks which were fixed as part of the deal. 30 days later the A/C compressor blew out--$300.
I would say as a general rule it's a good idea to have a car checked but it doesn't guarantee having no problems.
BTW, does anyone have an opinion on these companies who will go to where the car is located and inspect it for $100 or so? I wonder how complete a job they can do out in the field with no diagnostic machines laying in the mud on a rainy day. :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible