"sic" is just a way of pointing out a person's mistake without changing their direct quote. I was quoting greenpea who didn't have a period where it needed to be. To keep his quote exactly as he had it, I put "sic" in with the missing period so that he could see the error. Also, you'll notice "sic" in newspaper or magazine articles at times where people didn't actually say a certain word. The editors put in the missing words for them so that the readers can better understand what the writer was trying to say. I think that it is a nicer way to show an error without writing a post about it. Greenpea is a classic "sic" writer. He expresses himself well, and there is no need to constantly correct his grammatical errors.
"It's because we have become used to writing like we speak."
If we wrote the way that we talk, we would have problems. How would people from different regions of the country understand each other? Remember laurasdad and his play on language the other day? This is why we have what is known as the written or spoken Standard English. Everyone remains on the same page.
I know what your teachers were doing in regard to contractions. They usually don't like them in formal writing assignments. Still, it is only a preference and not a rule.
They corrected you because some of your contractions were not allowed in any language. :P
That's like one of our competitors across the street. They have their "your engine guaranteed for life!" Caveat; you have to perform all and I mean all schedule maintenance and oil changes at the dealer. Not just any dealer but the dealer you bought your car from. However, if you miss one of the schedule services or oil changes, your "guaranteed engine for life" program is null and void. And you'll be riding a camel.
"You did a great job of using the word "tenor". It's a good word, and we don't see it used very often in this context." It would have been even better had he used it with "saxophone"
You fogot to mention the other two words that one of our beloved posters whose name I won't post to protect the innocent (JOEL!) There and their. This one is probably more misused than Paris Hilton.
I am aware of a few dealers that off lifetime "powertrain warranties".
ALL Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep dealers currently include a free lifetime powertrain warranty with purchase of a new vehicle. Certain models, such as the SRT line, are not included.
The owner does not have to return to the place he/she bought it from for regular maintenance. Just keep receipts of regular scheduled maintenance should a problem ever arise.
I know we can argue the "free" terminology all day long. However, the warranty is included with the new vehicle purchase - it's not something the finance manager offers across his desk for a $2,000 additional fee.
The owner does not have to return to the place he/she bought it from for regular maintenance. Just keep receipts of regular scheduled maintenance should a problem ever arise.
They also need to do a free inspection at the dealer every 5 years.
"In order to maintain the Chrysler Lifetime Powertrain Warranty, you must have a powertrain inspection performed by an authorized Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge dealer once every 5 years. This inspection, performed at no charge, must be made within 60 days of each 5-year anniversary of the warranty start date of the vehicle. It is your responsibility to perform preventative maintenance on your vehicle. You're strongly encouraged to follow the instructions contained in the Scheduled Maintenance Service guidelines in your Owner's Manual."
You're strongly encouraged to follow the instructions contained in the Scheduled Maintenance Service guidelines in your Owner's Manual
I bet if something happens 4 years and 150,000 miles later you have to prove that you did all your suggested maintanance. It is also a campaign to get people to look at the Chrysler product :surprise:
GP
This has nothing to do with the original question also. The OP was asking hpw Scion could do a warranty ike that.
There is an economist at Bank of Nova Scotia that puts out reports that are completely free of spin, huffery and puffery. Condensed versions of the reports are posted at hxxp://www.scotiabank.com/cda/content/0,1608,CID8339_LIDen,00.html Some of the more hardened denizens of this board will find it informative.
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My local Toyota dealer (that I never go to) says that all vehicles, new or used, come with a lifetime warranty. At the bottom, it says "powertrain". This dealer is terrible, and I would bet anything that the lifetime powertrain is only if you get it serviced there, and only if there is a harvest moon, and only on leap year, etc. etc.
What a joke! I travel far out of my way to avoid these crooks. I tried to deal with them twice, but it never worked - I won't try a third time!
you have to perform all and I mean all schedule maintenance and oil changes at the dealer
Also, isn't the maintenance schedule the one that the dealer uses and NOT the one in the owners manual? Which always includes tons of extra stuff at over inflated charges. It's just like the "free tires for life" gimmick.
"Scion doesn't need gimmicks to attract customers. The brand is very successful with it "pure pricing" philosophy. Best cars for the money. "
Yea right..................But it is great slaughtering the sheep that line up to buy those turkeys! Great day if your a salesperson......................
Have not seen one in person yet just lots of pictures and read allot about it. Supposed to have a few here in June and we have pre-sold them already. We hope it will help us get back some of the segment we lost when we got out of the mini-van business.
My buddy otto. I figure it would be you that dissed the Scion. I stand behind what I said. Scion offers the first two oil changes and tire rotations. That's it. The other stuff is offered by the dealers in an effort to keep the customers coming back for service. As far as the sales folks go, most stores pay a flat $150.00 or less on the sale of each Scion. The dealership itself doesn't make much money either as there is no holdback or financial reserve and the average markup from invoice to MSRP is about $800.00 Mack :P
I am thinking about getting a cheap run around car and always thought the three or five door Focus hatches are good for that. I see Ford has 2.9 percent financing on some of their CPO stuff now.
Does that include the Focus and if so what years? I would like to go as short a term as possible and if Ford offers a 24 month 2.9% that would be great.
Lastly is there any better way to search through Fords CPO inventory then the main ford website. It just doesn't seem to be set up very well and the direct links to the Ford dealers websites often time don't show any used inventory. I tried searching on cars.com and autotrader too but it just seems like their should be more used Focuses(Foci) out there then I am seeing between the 2004 and 2006 model year.
Yes, the 2.9% applies on a up to 36 month term. I just emailed you a copy of the whole program.
I don't know about searching for CPO units, I have never messed with it before. As far as there availability goes right now, we are selling the crap out of them. Any serviceable 4cyl car is hot as a pistol for us the las few weeks.
The dealership itself doesn't make much money either as there is no holdback or financial reserve and the average markup from invoice to MSRP is about $800.00 Mack
Unless of course you own a dealership in Florida, where it's "customary" (for volume imports, anyway) to charge $599-$799 dealer fee and our beloved SET (also distributing Scions here) already installed Toyoguard package just for you for as low as $499. :sick:
It's good to be fixed price dealership in Florida, isn't it?
Sounds like a good-natured wager between Chrysler and the customer over the price of gasoline the next three years.
The break-even point varies based on the MPG of the vehicle involved, and how much customer cash is being passed up for the "cheap" gas... but the issue remains the same. If gasoline prices keep spiraling up, the customer comes out ahead... if prices are level or falling, Chrysler comes out ahead. Maybe way ahead.
:shades: Every car sold in America has that "fee". Some call it Freight, others call it Destination charge, and Toyota/Scion changed the name to "Delivery, processing, and handling fee" . It's all the same and it's and it's $660.00. :shades:
Can someone explain what's wrong here? I stopped by my local Acura Dealer almost 2 weeks ago and told them I would like to purchase a 2008 RDX for my wife. I previously bought an MDX from the same dealer, I thought I was treated fair and their service is good. The salesman I bought the MDX from was not in when I stopped by so the assistant sales manager said he would tell him to contact me ASAP. I knew they did not have the color my wife wanted in stock so I assumed they could do a locate. I told the manger that I had a buyer for my wife's current car so there would be no trade. I also mentioned that I was ready to buy since I knew factory to dealer incentives where available and I thought I could get a good deal.
Well, two days later "my" salesman calls me and said he had to check with his general sales manager and get back to me regarding availability and price. He said they don't have the one I wanted in stock and had to do a locate. No kidding - I knew that from the start and gave him the location of two RDX's with the color combo that I found a dealerships on the internet within 50 miles. Two more days pass and I hear nothing so I stop by at the dealer with my wife to see what's happening. Our salesman tells us that he still didn't get a price from his GSM, but would get back to us on Monday (it was Saturday). A week later now we still haven't heard from the salesman.
Don't they want to do a locate/transfer? If they can't get the car just say so. If they can't give us a good price just say so. What I can't understand is why we don't get any response. I know the assistant manager knows we're serious buyers and return customers. The AM did tell me that they actually have to buy the car from the other dealer - not do even trade for another color. I understand they don't get any holdback on a locate. Does that also apply to factory/dealer incentives?
The closest other dealer with the color combo is ~75 miles away. We're about ready to go, especially since they gave us an internet quote for under invoice (took about 2 hours for the quote).
It is never safe to ASSUME anything. Since you already have a quote in hand and about ready to go, why not give the original dealer a call and ask what happened? There is nothing to stop you from obtaining the car from another dealer at this point but it seems something is holding you back which I think a phone call would solve.
We figured up that if you live in an area that gas is $3.65 a gallon and you buy a car that gets 20MPG it is equal to a $1188 rebate.
Do you REALLY believe that the price of gas will still be $3.65/gal even a year from now, not to mention THREE years from now? I haven't checked in the last few hours but the national average is probably already above that price.
"...What I can't understand is why we don't get a response..."
Perhaps they are selling cars so fast that they need to give the sales staff some time to relax and count all the money they have made. Just be patient. I'm sure they will get back to you when they are good and ready. They are the important people, you know. You are just the customer.
In fact, since car sales are so brisk right now, why don't you drive over to that other dealer and save them the trouble of making a phone call.
If more customers would do that I'm sure car salespeople would be grateful.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Several possibilities arise when it comes to locating a car: First, It takes time and effort and money. Perhaps they didn't figure on having to deal with a locate when they gave you the internet quote. Perhaps the deal isn't worth their while if they have to do a locate. It's always easier and preferential to deal from current inventory. Secondly, it takes two to tango. Just because you found two dealerships that had the color you want, doesn't mean those dealerships are willing to trade or sell to another dealership, especially if the vehicle/color combo in question is popular. Dealerships like to steal sales if they can, and may be anticipating your call. Your current dealership is stalling while they figure out what to do. Why don't you try taking the quote you got from your old dealership and seeing if either of the dealerships you researched would match? Good luck!
BTW ya I do belive the gas will be less then $3.65 3 years from now.
I hope it does also. It would certainly boost sales of the products I'm associated with.
However, I spent 17 days in Europe this past fall. Gas prices on our rental car were over $8/gal and everyone seemed to be coping with it. I have a feeling that the end of summer will bring an end to sub $4/gal prices forever.
Ran into the guy that helped his son buy a Civic for MSRP+ and asked him how was the Civic. He looks at me a little funny. So I asked you did buy the Civic right? He says no they bought a Fit. So I asked if he paid MSRP+ for the Fit and he sas yeah. I told him I thought you said you bought a Civic. He replies what's the difference? Geeez....
mvd1, I wouldn't even consider going to or calling your dealer after the "put-off" they have given you. I would call the dealership that gave you the $100.00 below invoice price, confirm everything, give them a deposit over the phone with my credit card, drive the 75 miles and buy the car. Ther's no trade-in involved...so you know the price!!! What's the problem? You can still get your service under warranty done at the nearby dealership!!!!!!
According to Yahoo News this morning people are becoming survivalists, hoarding food and moving to remote areas. Next I'm sure they will ditch their cars and start riding horses again. According to some alarmists (Ted Turner) this will be followed by the total collapse of society, mass starvation and the survivors becoming cannibals
Gives new meaning to the term "Hungry Salesman".
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Yeah they have been saying this sort of thing for 80 years. With the great depression people were saying "society is about to collapse", During WWII people were saying "society is about to collapse", when the USSR got the bomb people were saying we're all going to die", and so on and so forth. We seemed to survive all of those and more we will survive this.
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Richard
When people like jmonroe screw them up. :P Sorry, I just couldn't resist that! :shades:
Richard
Thanks Rich :shades:
I did have to laugh when I read "your" post
I did see the error of my way. "You're" right about the (sic) because I understood what you were saying.
SIC.... What it stands for:
Salespeople In Crisis... :P
GP
If we wrote the way that we talk, we would have problems. How would people from different regions of the country understand each other? Remember laurasdad and his play on language the other day? This is why we have what is known as the written or spoken Standard English. Everyone remains on the same page.
I know what your teachers were doing in regard to contractions. They usually don't like them in formal writing assignments. Still, it is only a preference and not a rule.
They corrected you because some of your contractions were not allowed in any language. :P
Richard
LOL!!! That was wonderful!
Richard
I didn't know words could get pregnant. Pauses on the other hand ...
Mack
It would have been even better had he used it with "saxophone"
You fogot to mention the other two words that one of our beloved posters whose name I won't post to protect the innocent (JOEL!) There and their. This one is probably more misused than Paris Hilton.
ALL Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep dealers currently include a free lifetime powertrain warranty with purchase of a new vehicle. Certain models, such as the SRT line, are not included.
The owner does not have to return to the place he/she bought it from for regular maintenance. Just keep receipts of regular scheduled maintenance should a problem ever arise.
I know we can argue the "free" terminology all day long. However, the warranty is included with the new vehicle purchase - it's not something the finance manager offers across his desk for a $2,000 additional fee.
They also need to do a free inspection at the dealer every 5 years.
"In order to maintain the Chrysler Lifetime Powertrain Warranty, you must have a powertrain inspection performed by an authorized Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge dealer once every 5 years. This inspection, performed at no charge, must be made within 60 days of each 5-year anniversary of the warranty start date of the vehicle. It is your responsibility to perform preventative maintenance on your vehicle. You're strongly encouraged to follow the instructions contained in the Scheduled Maintenance Service guidelines in your Owner's Manual."
I bet if something happens 4 years and 150,000 miles later you have to prove that you did all your suggested maintanance. It is also a campaign to get people to look at the Chrysler product :surprise:
GP
This has nothing to do with the original question also. The OP was asking hpw Scion could do a warranty ike that.
hxxp://www.scotiabank.com/cda/content/0,1608,CID8339_LIDen,00.html
Some of the more hardened denizens of this board will find it informative.
Auto Newsflash
Global Auto Report
The economist is Carlos Gomes
What a joke! I travel far out of my way to avoid these crooks. I tried to deal with them twice, but it never worked - I won't try a third time!
Also, isn't the maintenance schedule the one that the dealer uses and NOT the one in the owners manual? Which always includes tons of extra stuff at over inflated charges. It's just like the "free tires for life" gimmick.
"Scion doesn't need gimmicks to attract customers. The brand is very successful with it "pure pricing" philosophy. Best cars for the money. "
Yea right..................But it is great slaughtering the sheep that line up to buy
those turkeys!
Great day if your a salesperson......................
I know. I was replying to tedebear.
They ain't ? :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Was tedebear the original poster?
That was who I was really replying too also. I wasn't directing that to you just piggy backing off your post.
Hope everyone has a great memorial day weekend!
"Buying Selling, Selling Buying" :shades:
GP
The dealership itself doesn't make much money either as there is no holdback or financial reserve and the average markup from invoice to MSRP is about $800.00
Mack
:P
I am thinking about getting a cheap run around car and always thought the three or five door Focus hatches are good for that. I see Ford has 2.9 percent financing on some of their CPO stuff now.
Does that include the Focus and if so what years? I would like to go as short a term as possible and if Ford offers a 24 month 2.9% that would be great.
Lastly is there any better way to search through Fords CPO inventory then the main ford website. It just doesn't seem to be set up very well and the direct links to the Ford dealers websites often time don't show any used inventory. I tried searching on cars.com and autotrader too but it just seems like their should be more used Focuses(Foci) out there then I am seeing between the 2004 and 2006 model year.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I don't know about searching for CPO units, I have never messed with it before. As far as there availability goes right now, we are selling the crap out of them. Any serviceable 4cyl car is hot as a pistol for us the las few weeks.
Mack
Unless of course you own a dealership in Florida, where it's "customary" (for volume imports, anyway) to charge $599-$799 dealer fee and our beloved SET (also distributing Scions here) already installed Toyoguard package just for you for as low as $499. :sick:
It's good to be fixed price dealership in Florida, isn't it?
2018 430i Gran Coupe
No, I wasn't. I was just replying to someone else who did not mention Scion in his message about dealerships and lifetime powertrain warranties.
Richard
The break-even point varies based on the MPG of the vehicle involved, and how much customer cash is being passed up for the "cheap" gas... but the issue remains the same. If gasoline prices keep spiraling up, the customer comes out ahead... if prices are level or falling, Chrysler comes out ahead. Maybe way ahead.
Mack
:shades:
Well, two days later "my" salesman calls me and said he had to check with his general sales manager and get back to me regarding availability and price. He said they don't have the one I wanted in stock and had to do a locate. No kidding - I knew that from the start and gave him the location of two RDX's with the color combo that I found a dealerships on the internet within 50 miles. Two more days pass and I hear nothing so I stop by at the dealer with my wife to see what's happening. Our salesman tells us that he still didn't get a price from his GSM, but would get back to us on Monday (it was Saturday). A week later now we still haven't heard from the salesman.
Don't they want to do a locate/transfer? If they can't get the car just say so. If they can't give us a good price just say so. What I can't understand is why we don't get any response. I know the assistant manager knows we're serious buyers and return customers. The AM did tell me that they actually have to buy the car from the other dealer - not do even trade for another color. I understand they don't get any holdback on a locate. Does that also apply to factory/dealer incentives?
The closest other dealer with the color combo is ~75 miles away. We're about ready to go, especially since they gave us an internet quote for under invoice (took about 2 hours for the quote).
Do you REALLY believe that the price of gas will still be $3.65/gal even a year from now, not to mention THREE years from now? I haven't checked in the last few hours but the national average is probably already above that price.
Richard
Perhaps they are selling cars so fast that they need to give the sales staff some time to relax and count all the money they have made. Just be patient. I'm sure they will get back to you when they are good and ready. They are the important people, you know. You are just the customer.
In fact, since car sales are so brisk right now, why don't you drive over to that other dealer and save them the trouble of making a phone call.
If more customers would do that I'm sure car salespeople would be grateful.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
LMAO!!
BTW ya I do belive the gas will be less then $3.65 3 years from now. But that is a whole different conversation.
My thoughts on gas prices and how to lower them would make some of the Liberals here go into epileptic shock so I keep them to myself.
Mack
This one's for you.
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I actualy agree with you Joe. I think things will be lower in a year or two.... Maybe I just like to think positive :shades:
GP
I hope it does also. It would certainly boost sales of the products I'm associated with.
However, I spent 17 days in Europe this past fall. Gas prices on our rental car were over $8/gal and everyone seemed to be coping with it. I have a feeling that the end of summer will bring an end to sub $4/gal prices forever.
I wouldn't even consider going to or calling your dealer after the "put-off" they have given you. I would call the dealership that gave you the $100.00 below invoice price, confirm everything, give them a deposit over the phone with my credit card, drive the 75 miles and buy the car. Ther's no trade-in involved...so you know the price!!! What's the problem? You can still get your service under warranty done at the nearby dealership!!!!!!
According to Yahoo News this morning people are becoming survivalists, hoarding food and moving to remote areas. Next I'm sure they will ditch their cars and start riding horses again. According to some alarmists (Ted Turner) this will be followed by the total collapse of society, mass starvation and the survivors becoming cannibals
Gives new meaning to the term "Hungry Salesman".
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D