People are trying to dump ANYTHING that uses a lot of gas! You name it. And,, NOBODY want's them!
So, it's not so cute to own vehicles where you can sit up high so you can see the road better. I guess these people are now going to come down to my level and I really like that. Now, it won't be as hard for me trying to see 10/12 car lengths up the road like it was when I always seemed to be stuck behind SUV's/chic trucks.
I can almost understand the reasoning that these people have about trading in for better gas mileage. That is, if it is truly a good economic decision but I doubt that it is for most people. That's another discussion altogether and an understanding of grade school math would help here
The thing I can't understand is these are the same people when you asked them why they needed a BIG vehicle like that, they would almost always justify it by saying they're a LOT safer. I really question giving up safety for gas mileage. What do you think they will say now about safety?
Like I said the mileage thing I can understand but if you felt all that strongly about safety why would you give that up for a few dimes per gallon? I wouldn't. :confuse:
It looks like the good old days of more cars on the highway ain't that far away.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Gee, aren't smaller, lighter, more nimble, better handling cars with good crash ratings that can avoid potential accidents safer than slow responding, tippy, Titanic-like turning SUVs?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I've seen this all before. Selling guzzlers, buying sippers. It's not the price of gas...it's what people are used to that matters. When 62 cents was the norm in 1971-72, the jump over 1.00 was a shocker. Worst of all was the shortages and "out of gas" signs everywhere. Price didn't matter, availability was everything. Shortages will happen again just to shock consumers into complacency about 5 or 6 bucks a gallon. After price gets out of the news we'll all go back to our old ways and driving habits.
You described the lady in the TV ad with such delicacy and diplomacy. What a gentleman you are in an age when chivalry is all but dead. I'm not so kind. Does she realize that it will also take more gas to haul her lard [non-permissible content removed] around to KFC and Dunkin Doughnuts? Now she will spend the next six years with a $400 or $500 car payment, trying to stick her big butt into a small cabin, and denying her dopey son a chance to get an education.
She needs to walk, ride a bicycle, buy some fruits and vegetables, and get off the sunken couch and clean her house. If there is a husband, he's as big as she is because she feeds him what she eats. He probably drives an suv as well. If there is a daughter, she looks like her mother with the exception that she is pregnant by the dopey-looking son's best friend. This is a totally dysfunctional family---emotionally disturbed, intellectually challenged, and nutritionally unbalanced. They need a psychologist, a dietician, and a financial planner. How many families have we seen like this? Our housekeeper fits this profile exactly. When I asked her if she and her husband voted in the primary, she had the gall to say, "For what?" Heaven help America and the car industry. Rant over!
To all of you guys (and gals) who served our country---Joel, Mack, jmonroe, and others---we appreciate you on this special day.
You have lost it. I guess all that PC stuff you teach to those underpaid fledglings going out to teach the chillun of the world and how to handle them so gently as to not hurt their developing self concepts has finally caught up with you. You teach those educators how to tell a parent that their little turd actually shows potential for something :sick: besides drugs sales and conception practice even when the little turkey is a nut off the old tree (they don't fall far from the tree, remember) and has no future and it would help the school if they withdrew and quit disrupting the other kids.
Now you've over compensated with this diatribe against a poor undernourished lady trying to do better for her and her son's futures.
No interest for 12 months and 20% off my purchase was a no brainer.
the catch, of course, is that IF you miss a single payment, be it the last, they will make you cough up the interest for all 12 months at 29.99% or whereabouts :sick:
My brother-in-law bought himself a brand new, '07 leftover Durango Limited with a HEMI. He bought the truck with plans on keeping it for at least 10 years. He got about $16,000 off the original MSRP and is content with its gas mileage because it does a whole lot better than his '01 Land Rover Discovery.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
"But, life as we know it will not come to an end..."
You are so totally correct. My parents survived the Great Depression. When my father lost his business in 1930, he and Mom went into the survival mode. She took in sewing and washing. My dad washed cars and picked vegetables for the rich folks in the area. They sold their car---1928 Chevy. The mortgage lender allowed them to make 1/2 house payments for five years, which was a struggle in itself. The banker was a small town guy with a very big heart. He knew my father's word was his bond. It took some time, but the bank got all of the money back with interest.
When the toothpaste tube was used up, my mother cut it into 1/2 inch strips and got more out. She gave each one 1/2 glass of milk instead of a full glass---no waste at all. Meals with meat became stews and then soups. Clothes were patched, as well as shoes. At one point the power was cut off. They used lanterns and a wood burning stove. Baths were in a tub, and of course there was the outhouse. Life went on---church, school, work if you could find it, and good times with family and neighbors.
In 1937, Dad got a real full time job at last. By 1942, he was back in business. That same year, he went to serve his country because he believed in America---even after all that he and Mom had been through. While overseas, Mom ran the business and got a second job, and made that house payment without missing a beat. When Dad came home in 1945, they bought a new car---a Chrysler. Yes, life went on. People do what they have to do. Americans are survivors!
LOL!!! I split a gut at your post! Gosh. I did get carried away, didn't I? It was great to vent. I'm trying to get my mind right before I begin my new teacher class in June. They're like greenpea---young, optimistic, and with ideals. I mustn't be the old man who destroys that wonderful vision. They will find out soon enough. :P
To stay on topic: I'll encourage the new teachers to buy hybrids.
I love all the panic about gas prices, as I am considering taking a job with a ~90 mile RT commute per day. All highway (if you travel off peak) or mostly parking lot (andything close to AM or PM rush).
My one concession would be getting a different car for the ride. Not really because of mileage (I would be lucky to replicate what my Accord would get), but because I don't feel like dealing with the stick on the hellacious drive. SO, move to an AT.
That, and something with a bit more comfort/luxury (or at least as much!). And all the safety features they can jam in. No Aveos, etc.
I still want something tht has a chance to push 30 overall. Looked at an S40i Volvo, will consider a TSX. Not sure what else, but one of the key requirements great seats for my bad back. And stability control would be nice (just planning ahead!) And it has to have a manumatic set up to get me out of my manual.
At least I will be flying againt the wind, trying to sell a low mileage 4 cyl sedan, with the better milegae of a stick even!
Oh, and I plan to get a 1-2 YO model (ideally CPO) to save $ and get the longer warranty.
In my case, I can assume 500mi/week. If I aveaged 25mpg, that is 20 gallons, or $80 at $4/gal. So roughly $320/mo. Still lower than most car payments.
If I went up to 35mpg, thats. about 14 gals/week, or $56 week/$224/month.
So moving from something with comfort/luxury to an econobox might save me $100/month. Spread over the 60 or so hours I have to spend in the car, not worth it to me!
Nah, depending on which scale you use I'm 800 out of 850. That's because I resist those "free" credit offers.
My wife wanted me to get an "advantage" card at the local supper market. All you had to do was give them some personal information. I found out they were tracking the purchase patterns of their customers and targeting them for solicitations by others. How would you like to rent an "R" rated movie and then have a mountain of porno flyers come in the mail? No thanks. Besides, the Men In Black might be watching too.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Wow, where did you buy your gas back then? Here in NY it was about 35 cents. I'm sure of it because I remember in 1973 I proclaimed that if gas ever went higher than 40 cents, I was going to give up driving. Now, I think I'd sell grandma's bones for 40 cent gas. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Says who? Do you seriously think somebody buying $100K car (it at least used to be a definition for an exotic) would car if their fuel bill was $2500 or $3500 per year? If they do, they had no business buying such car at the first place.
I do believe, used premium/lux/exotic car market may be heading for trouble. That's where more wannabes hover around and they may get scared by fuel priced, indeed.
Says me, I sell them. :-) It's not really a direct sensitivity to fuel prices since most clients drive these cars 3-4k miles per year. It is the indirect impact from the overall market being down, the housing slump, and the poor dollar value. Many customers are fearful that the market hasn't bottomed out yet and their cars may still take a substantial depreciation hit.
I always thought that most of the higher priced luxury cars are leased not bought, so the owners would not really care about the depreciation, they would just turn it in for another one and in most cases use it for tax write off as well.
The IRS has that covered. They can no longer write off the whole lease amount on an exotic like in the good old days. The IRS has placed a cap on the amount written off. One loop hole closed. I wonder where the other one opened?
I was looking at the used car inventory of a local Saturn dealer today. Their web site mentioned their "No Haggle" pricing. Can this be true? I always thought that this policy only applied to new cars and only Saturns at that.
The local dealers typically overprice their cars by at least 1-2 thousand over what most guides say they're worth and so did this Saturn dealer. I always suposed that the pricing was set so high that when the salesman took 15% off the customer felt like a winner and the dealer still made a tall profit.
How does a no haggle dealer sell any cars when he doesn't leave any wiggle room on a price that is WAY too high? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I just don't like the example that they set for the kids. Obesity has become a real problem in schools. The children don't eat right or exercise. When i see SOME of the parents, I understand why. Years ago, the schools added the fast food bar to the regular lunch bar. Why? Because the children quit eating the regular balanced lunch and the cafeterias were losing money. It's always money first, right? Now the kids eat pizza, hamburgers, sodas, and shakes. They munch on candy until you have to peel them off of the roof before you can teach them.
MANY moms and dads are as bad. They work long hours and eat on the run. The evening balanced meal at home is a thing of the past. The family has what is quick and easy because the parents are dead on their feet. It is a cycle that is not easily broken.
As a school bus driver, you know what I'm talking about here.
To stay on topic: Each new automobile should come with an exercise machine and a mini-bike in the trunk---as standard equipment, of course. :P
This is the kind of stuff I used to (still do from time to time) post, and it's resulted in more-or-less complete shunning on any number of boards.
Welcome to the judgemental diatribe group. We meet in a phone booth once a month. I agree with your premise, by the way. Push away from the table. Take a walk, or better yet, run.
That said, it's interesting that the 0.99 specials (sausage McMuffin, double-cheeseburger, whatever) times two or three equals a lunch for $2.14 or 3.21 (tax, you know), but a decent meal at a ricebowl place is 2 or 3X.
Eating right is expensive. Protein with low fat isn't cheap. It's a spiral to oblivion. . .or at least extreme fatness.
I gave you more credit than you deserved. Do you mean that it took you this long to see the REAL side? I knew about your tight [non-permissible content removed] after one post! :P
To stay on topic: Will the next dealership please give jmonroe free towels for his mats?
I am afraid you got the wrong message from the commercial. It actually shows how little regard the advertisers have for their audience and that they believe pathetic stereotyping is going to induce you to buy their "product." And you're playing right along with them in stroking your own ego by further diminishing what the advertiser wants you to think of as "inferior" people. A teacher should not promote the idea that you can make yourself look better by making someone else look bad.
My wife wanted me to get an "advantage" card at the local supper market. All you had to do was give them some personal information. I found out they were tracking the purchase patterns of their customers and targeting them for solicitations by others. How would you like to rent an "R" rated movie and then have a mountain of porno flyers come in the mail? No thanks. Besides, the Men In Black might be watching too.
We have that here too, but the place near me all you have to do is tell them you forgot it and they will just use the store card and you will get all the discounts. Yeah I know kind of kills the rational for having it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I'm just constantly amazed by those pathetic souls who eagerly assume an additional $10K-$20K(or more) in debt so that they can "save money on gas". OTOH, I also see lots of folks on the BMW boards who lease one new Bimmer after another at $450-$600 per month because they don't want to risk paying those "expensive BMW maintenance and repair costs". The last time I checked my maintenance records the maintenance costs for my 113K mile 1995 3er were averaging @$50/month while my wife's 62K mile 2004 X3 was averaging @$90/month. Since I own both vehicles free and clear, can someone explain how paying an additional $300-$500 per month per car would save me money? (I sure hope someone can; I need a rational justification to buy a new M3... )
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I would venture to guess most new MB and BMWs are leased. I work a little bit with the higher end pre-owned models from those brands (S550s and 7-series) but for the most part it's exotics and speciality cars (i.e Bentley, Aston, Ferrari). That's where we are feeling the pinch.
If you're in the market for a new car and you want inexpensive, reliable transportation that gets excellent gas mileage look no further than a Honda Civic (or Corolla if you're a Toyota Guy which I'm not, sorry mackabee). Buying the Hybrid doesn't make sense. It starts at $22,600 according to Honda's website and is rated at 45 mpg on the highway while a Civic LX starts at $16,960 (Honda's website) and is rated at 36 mpg on the highway. I'm assuming you could negotiate a nice discount on an in stock LX model while the Hybrid goes for MSRP (correct me if I'm wrong isellhondas). The cost savings don't add up (snake, you're the accountant, but that $5,000 buys you a lot of gas even at $4 per gallon, right?)
Don't get me wrong, I hope all you sales guys (greenpea, isellhondas, mackabee, & joel) sell your Hybrids at MSRP and make lots of money doing so. The Hybrid Altima is still a good buy (if you MUST have a Hybrid) because I think it still qualifies for a Federal TAX CREDIT.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Do you do your own maintenance or have it done at a BMW dealership? I have a couple of friends that have older Bimmers and not the maintenance but repair costs is what's really expensive. Matter of fact one of them was complaining yesterday about having to replace a control arm and some other things. He's had it for less than a year and is already thinking of selling it. But then he's just a kid who always wanted a BMW (He's 23 and is the son of my first General Manager) so he doesn't have much money for the upkeep. The car is nice but the 4 dollar premium fuel is also knocking him down. Mack
Heck, I wish we had more hybrids to sell. We have a two month wait list for Prius. One Camry hybrid in stock that I would have sold yesterday except the customers wanted leather and factory nav and this one is cloth interior no nav. The next two with leather and nave are already pre-sold. Even the Yaris which I thought wouldn't sell as good as the Corolla and its cousin Scion xD are doing great!
As of yesterday we had three on the lot. Scion must have gotten a deal on super white and black sand paint as all the xD's and xB's we have are that color.
Corolla is doing fine as usual. The Matrix however, is a different story. Since its debut we have sold a grand total of two yes 2! For some reason this car appeals to older, retired folks on a budget. Even with the new look/redesign it's not attracting the Mazda3, VW Golf, crowd.
snake, you're the accountant, but that $5,000 buys you a lot of gas even at $4 per gallon, right?
Getting to buy less and less. As gas gets higher and higher those hybrids make more sense.
Driving all highway it will take around 245k miles to save the price difference, but driving all city it would only take less than 71k miles as the civics gas mileage drops considerably while the hybrid actually goes up a few MPG's. Most people will be somewhere in between.
Also remember that there are other cars other than the corolla and civic that give good gas mileage.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Since we're talking gas prices, I have a true story that I did in 1973. I had a 1971 Chevy 4X4 pickup and a twenty two mile commute, couldn't buy any gas for it without waiting in horrible lines.
Went to my regular dealer who I bought many cars from, he put's me in an almost new 1973 Ford Pinto, I hated it. The third day I had it , driving to work in the dawn, I hit a deer, totaled the new pinto.
Went back to my friend and got my Chevy pickup back and gave up the economizing. I was complaining to my wife couple days ago about the gas and she says, "I have a friend who has a great Pinto for sale, want to talk to her?" Now that hurt.
"A teacher should not promote the idea that you can make yourself look better by making someone else look bad."
Your point is well taken. Not having seen the actual commercial, I was reacting to the description provided by the poster. That in itself is a poor excuse. Being concerned with obesity in children, I certainly didn't mean to play "right along with them in stroking your own ego...". Obesity is a sensitive topic for both children and adults. Many educators should also set better examples through their own diet and exercise programs. At the same time, a person's patience can wear thin with those who don't help themselves---or show the initiative to help others.
Just for the record, we discuss many strategies in my classes relative to building the self-esteem of children. Proper diet and exercise is just one of those strategies on the road to teaching and learning. Sex education and the media blitz on stereotypes is another.
Your rant was justified. I stand corrected for a ridiculous outburst.
Went to my regular dealer who I bought many cars from, he put's me in an almost new 1973 Ford Pinto, I hated it. The third day I had it , driving to work in the dawn, I hit a deer, totaled the new pinto.
Hey officer, just because you didn’t like your new ride doesn’t give you an excuse for whacking a grown up Bambi, thus depriving a hunter the opportunity to thin out the heard. Cars ain't weapons ya know. :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
...can someone explain how paying an additional $300-$500 per month per car would save me money?
As the owner of a 330i that's been out of warranty for almost 3 years (& that has cost me very little during that time), I strongly agree with you. IMO, many people pay too much attention to post-warranty repair costs & too little to depreciation.
Suppose that I have a 6-year-old car that cost $30K when new & is now worth $11K. If I keep that car for another year, I can expect that its value will drop by approximately 10%, or $1100. But if I spend $30K on a new car, I can expect to lose about 20%, or $6K, to depreciation. That's a difference of nearly $5K, which will pay for a lot of repair work to the older car.
Re the M3: fantastic car, but if I were spending my own money, I'd pick a 328i sedan equipped with the sport package, Xenons & little else. For about $36K, I'd wind up with a very entertaining little sports sedan.
ya got a legitimate point there, but I do remember my old dealer buddy explaining to me how all new red Pintos purchased in 1973 came standard with towels, and I used those towels to mop up the sweat from hitting a 300 pound buck.
Do you do your own maintenance or have it done at a BMW dealership?
It depends. The 3er sees my independent shop for the Inspection II(30K) service. I perform the Oil Services and Inspection I services myself. The coolant changes and the brake fluid flushes are done at either the dealer or the independent shop. As for repairs? Not many. I've replaced a couple of serpentine belt idler pullies and a brake light switch. I also spent 15 minutes and $44 replacing the timing chain tensioner as a precaution. I should also mention that my maintenance costs included 3 sets of Z rated rubber, as the car also serves as one of my track rats. The X3 has been serviced almost exclusively at the dealer. The monthly costs are higher because of several services that were required during the past 12 months. I fitted four new P Zero Nero all season tires, changed the ATF and transfer case fluid(not required but vital for long term reliability), fitted new pads and rotors all around, and had the Inspection II and brake fluid flush performed. I also spent $55 to repair a wheel that my wife had gently curbed. Based on our annual mileage, the truck won't need any of those items again(save the brake flush and tires) for at least another 5 years. I do change the oil at 7.5K myself using an OEM filter and Mobil 1 0W-40; the 15K factory interval is a bit too long in my experience.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Re the M3: fantastic car, but if I were spending my own money, I'd pick a 328i sedan equipped with the sport package, Xenons & little else. For about $36K, I'd wind up with a very entertaining little sports sedan.
My last comment was a bit tongue in cheek; what I'll almost certainly end up with is a nice E46 or E36 M3, or possibly a 330i ZHP.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
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So, it's not so cute to own vehicles where you can sit up high so you can see the road better. I guess these people are now going to come down to my level and I really like that. Now, it won't be as hard for me trying to see 10/12 car lengths up the road like it was when I always seemed to be stuck behind SUV's/chic trucks.
I can almost understand the reasoning that these people have about trading in for better gas mileage. That is, if it is truly a good economic decision but I doubt that it is for most people. That's another discussion altogether and an understanding of grade school math would help here
The thing I can't understand is these are the same people when you asked them why they needed a BIG vehicle like that, they would almost always justify it by saying they're a LOT safer. I really question giving up safety for gas mileage. What do you think they will say now about safety?
Like I said the mileage thing I can understand but if you felt all that strongly about safety why would you give that up for a few dimes per gallon? I wouldn't. :confuse:
It looks like the good old days of more cars on the highway ain't that far away.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
You are a true trooper.... LOL
GP
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
When 62 cents was the norm in 1971-72, the jump over 1.00 was a shocker.
Worst of all was the shortages and "out of gas" signs everywhere. Price didn't matter, availability was everything.
Shortages will happen again just to shock consumers into complacency about 5 or 6 bucks a gallon. After price gets out of the news we'll all go back to our old ways and driving habits.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
She needs to walk, ride a bicycle, buy some fruits and vegetables, and get off the sunken couch and clean her house. If there is a husband, he's as big as she is because she feeds him what she eats. He probably drives an suv as well. If there is a daughter, she looks like her mother with the exception that she is pregnant by the dopey-looking son's best friend. This is a totally dysfunctional family---emotionally disturbed, intellectually challenged, and nutritionally unbalanced. They need a psychologist, a dietician, and a financial planner. How many families have we seen like this? Our housekeeper fits this profile exactly. When I asked her if she and her husband voted in the primary, she had the gall to say, "For what?" Heaven help America and the car industry. Rant over!
To all of you guys (and gals) who served our country---Joel, Mack, jmonroe, and others---we appreciate you on this special day.
Richard
You have lost it. I guess all that PC stuff you teach to those underpaid fledglings going out to teach the chillun of the world and how to handle them so gently as to not hurt their developing self concepts has finally caught up with you. You teach those educators how to tell a parent that their little turd actually shows potential for something :sick: besides drugs sales and conception practice even when the little turkey is a nut off the old tree (they don't fall far from the tree, remember) and has no future and it would help the school if they withdrew and quit disrupting the other kids.
Now you've over compensated with this diatribe against a poor undernourished lady trying to do better for her and her son's futures.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
My body was at work but in my mind I was standing in front of a grill cooking beer brats for 10 or so people and enjoying a Corona.
thought so....
Your writing reflects the thoughts in your mind and the vision in front of your eyes
the catch, of course, is that IF you miss a single payment, be it the last, they will make you cough up the interest for all 12 months at 29.99% or whereabouts :sick:
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
You are so totally correct. My parents survived the Great Depression. When my father lost his business in 1930, he and Mom went into the survival mode. She took in sewing and washing. My dad washed cars and picked vegetables for the rich folks in the area. They sold their car---1928 Chevy. The mortgage lender allowed them to make 1/2 house payments for five years, which was a struggle in itself. The banker was a small town guy with a very big heart. He knew my father's word was his bond. It took some time, but the bank got all of the money back with interest.
When the toothpaste tube was used up, my mother cut it into 1/2 inch strips and got more out. She gave each one 1/2 glass of milk instead of a full glass---no waste at all. Meals with meat became stews and then soups. Clothes were patched, as well as shoes. At one point the power was cut off. They used lanterns and a wood burning stove. Baths were in a tub, and of course there was the outhouse. Life went on---church, school, work if you could find it, and good times with family and neighbors.
In 1937, Dad got a real full time job at last. By 1942, he was back in business. That same year, he went to serve his country because he believed in America---even after all that he and Mom had been through. While overseas, Mom ran the business and got a second job, and made that house payment without missing a beat. When Dad came home in 1945, they bought a new car---a Chrysler. Yes, life went on. People do what they have to do. Americans are survivors!
Richard
To stay on topic: I'll encourage the new teachers to buy hybrids.
Richard
I love all the panic about gas prices, as I am considering taking a job with a ~90 mile RT commute per day. All highway (if you travel off peak) or mostly parking lot (andything close to AM or PM rush).
My one concession would be getting a different car for the ride. Not really because of mileage (I would be lucky to replicate what my Accord would get), but because I don't feel like dealing with the stick on the hellacious drive. SO, move to an AT.
That, and something with a bit more comfort/luxury (or at least as much!). And all the safety features they can jam in. No Aveos, etc.
I still want something tht has a chance to push 30 overall. Looked at an S40i Volvo, will consider a TSX. Not sure what else, but one of the key requirements great seats for my bad back. And stability control would be nice (just planning ahead!) And it has to have a manumatic set up to get me out of my manual.
At least I will be flying againt the wind, trying to sell a low mileage 4 cyl sedan, with the better milegae of a stick even!
Oh, and I plan to get a 1-2 YO model (ideally CPO) to save $ and get the longer warranty.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
In my case, I can assume 500mi/week. If I aveaged 25mpg, that is 20 gallons, or $80 at $4/gal. So roughly $320/mo. Still lower than most car payments.
If I went up to 35mpg, thats. about 14 gals/week, or $56 week/$224/month.
So moving from something with comfort/luxury to an econobox might save me $100/month. Spread over the 60 or so hours I have to spend in the car, not worth it to me!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I think we saw the REAL side of Richard with his post. FWIW, you didn't exactly hold back yourself. :P
Now you've over compensated with this diatribe against a poor undernourished lady trying to do better for her and her son's futures.
Did we see the same video? I'd say she was over-nourished.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Nah, depending on which scale you use I'm 800 out of 850. That's because I resist those "free" credit offers.
My wife wanted me to get an "advantage" card at the local supper market. All you had to do was give them some personal information. I found out they were tracking the purchase patterns of their customers and targeting them for solicitations by others. How would you like to rent an "R" rated movie and then have a mountain of porno flyers come in the mail? No thanks. Besides, the Men In Black might be watching too.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Wow, where did you buy your gas back then? Here in NY it was about 35 cents. I'm sure of it because I remember in 1973 I proclaimed that if gas ever went higher than 40 cents, I was going to give up driving. Now, I think I'd sell grandma's bones for 40 cent gas. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
My guess is you really don't like fat people. :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I do believe, used premium/lux/exotic car market may be heading for trouble. That's where more wannabes hover around and they may get scared by fuel priced, indeed.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
what store in Dayton do you work at?
Long time lurker here from the Centerville area
Thanks
The local dealers typically overprice their cars by at least 1-2 thousand over what most guides say they're worth and so did this Saturn dealer. I always suposed that the pricing was set so high that when the salesman took 15% off the customer felt like a winner and the dealer still made a tall profit.
How does a no haggle dealer sell any cars when he doesn't leave any wiggle room on a price that is WAY too high? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Mackabee
Where do I sign up for that offer?
:shades:
I just don't like the example that they set for the kids. Obesity has become a real problem in schools. The children don't eat right or exercise. When i see SOME of the parents, I understand why. Years ago, the schools added the fast food bar to the regular lunch bar. Why? Because the children quit eating the regular balanced lunch and the cafeterias were losing money. It's always money first, right? Now the kids eat pizza, hamburgers, sodas, and shakes. They munch on candy until you have to peel them off of the roof before you can teach them.
MANY moms and dads are as bad. They work long hours and eat on the run. The evening balanced meal at home is a thing of the past. The family has what is quick and easy because the parents are dead on their feet. It is a cycle that is not easily broken.
As a school bus driver, you know what I'm talking about here.
To stay on topic: Each new automobile should come with an exercise machine and a mini-bike in the trunk---as standard equipment, of course. :P
Richard
This is the kind of stuff I used to (still do from time to time) post, and it's resulted in more-or-less complete shunning on any number of boards.
Welcome to the judgemental diatribe group. We meet in a phone booth once a month. I agree with your premise, by the way. Push away from the table. Take a walk, or better yet, run.
That said, it's interesting that the 0.99 specials (sausage McMuffin, double-cheeseburger, whatever) times two or three equals a lunch for $2.14 or 3.21 (tax, you know), but a decent meal at a ricebowl place is 2 or 3X.
Eating right is expensive. Protein with low fat isn't cheap. It's a spiral to oblivion. . .or at least extreme fatness.
I gave you more credit than you deserved. Do you mean that it took you this long to see the REAL side?
To stay on topic: Will the next dealership please give jmonroe free towels for his mats?
Richard
Where I come from, we meet in a GYM once a week. :P
Richard
I am afraid you got the wrong message from the commercial. It actually shows how little regard the advertisers have for their audience and that they believe pathetic stereotyping is going to induce you to buy their "product." And you're playing right along with them in stroking your own ego by further diminishing what the advertiser wants you to think of as "inferior" people. A teacher should not promote the idea that you can make yourself look better by making someone else look bad.
</End of my rant. >
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
We have that here too, but the place near me all you have to do is tell them you forgot it and they will just use the store card and you will get all the discounts. Yeah I know kind of kills the rational for having it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
(I sure hope someone can; I need a rational justification to buy a new M3...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Don't get me wrong, I hope all you sales guys (greenpea, isellhondas, mackabee, & joel) sell your Hybrids at MSRP and make lots of money doing so. The Hybrid Altima is still a good buy (if you MUST have a Hybrid) because I think it still qualifies for a Federal TAX CREDIT.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Mack
As of yesterday we had three on the lot. Scion must have gotten a deal on super white and black sand paint as all the xD's and xB's we have are that color.
Corolla is doing fine as usual. The Matrix however, is a different story. Since its debut we have sold a grand total of two yes 2! For some reason this car appeals to older, retired folks on a budget. Even with the new look/redesign it's not attracting the Mazda3, VW Golf, crowd.
:shades:
Yes you still get a $2,350 "tax credit" when you buy a NAH....
Nissan is not building more than 60,000 units per year.
Just got back from watching the Celtics loose game 4
Good thing we come home for game 5 :shades:
GP
Getting to buy less and less. As gas gets higher and higher those hybrids make more sense.
Driving all highway it will take around 245k miles to save the price difference, but driving all city it would only take less than 71k miles as the civics gas mileage drops considerably while the hybrid actually goes up a few MPG's. Most people will be somewhere in between.
Also remember that there are other cars other than the corolla and civic that give good gas mileage.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Went to my regular dealer who I bought many cars from, he put's me in an almost new 1973 Ford Pinto, I hated it. The third day I had it , driving to work in the dawn, I hit a deer, totaled the new pinto.
Went back to my friend and got my Chevy pickup back and gave up the economizing. I was complaining to my wife couple days ago about the gas and she says, "I have a friend who has a great Pinto for sale, want to talk to her?" Now that hurt.
Your point is well taken. Not having seen the actual commercial, I was reacting to the description provided by the poster. That in itself is a poor excuse. Being concerned with obesity in children, I certainly didn't mean to play "right along with them in stroking your own ego...". Obesity is a sensitive topic for both children and adults. Many educators should also set better examples through their own diet and exercise programs. At the same time, a person's patience can wear thin with those who don't help themselves---or show the initiative to help others.
Just for the record, we discuss many strategies in my classes relative to building the self-esteem of children. Proper diet and exercise is just one of those strategies on the road to teaching and learning. Sex education and the media blitz on stereotypes is another.
Your rant was justified. I stand corrected for a ridiculous outburst.
Richard
This isn't even up for discussion...there WILL be mat covers thrown in or the deal is OFF. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Hey officer, just because you didn’t like your new ride doesn’t give you an excuse for whacking a grown up Bambi, thus depriving a hunter the opportunity to thin out the heard. Cars ain't weapons ya know. :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Richard
As the owner of a 330i that's been out of warranty for almost 3 years (& that has cost me very little during that time), I strongly agree with you. IMO, many people pay too much attention to post-warranty repair costs & too little to depreciation.
Suppose that I have a 6-year-old car that cost $30K when new & is now worth $11K. If I keep that car for another year, I can expect that its value will drop by approximately 10%, or $1100. But if I spend $30K on a new car, I can expect to lose about 20%, or $6K, to depreciation. That's a difference of nearly $5K, which will pay for a lot of repair work to the older car.
Re the M3: fantastic car, but if I were spending my own money, I'd pick a 328i sedan equipped with the sport package, Xenons & little else. For about $36K, I'd wind up with a very entertaining little sports sedan.
It depends. The 3er sees my independent shop for the Inspection II(30K) service. I perform the Oil Services and Inspection I services myself. The coolant changes and the brake fluid flushes are done at either the dealer or the independent shop. As for repairs? Not many. I've replaced a couple of serpentine belt idler pullies and a brake light switch. I also spent 15 minutes and $44 replacing the timing chain tensioner as a precaution. I should also mention that my maintenance costs included 3 sets of Z rated rubber, as the car also serves as one of my track rats.
The X3 has been serviced almost exclusively at the dealer. The monthly costs are higher because of several services that were required during the past 12 months. I fitted four new P Zero Nero all season tires, changed the ATF and transfer case fluid(not required but vital for long term reliability), fitted new pads and rotors all around, and had the Inspection II and brake fluid flush performed. I also spent $55 to repair a wheel that my wife had gently curbed. Based on our annual mileage, the truck won't need any of those items again(save the brake flush and tires) for at least another 5 years. I do change the oil at 7.5K myself using an OEM filter and Mobil 1 0W-40; the 15K factory interval is a bit too long in my experience.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
My last comment was a bit tongue in cheek; what I'll almost certainly end up with is a nice E46 or E36 M3, or possibly a 330i ZHP.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive