Is a tough call. Maybe the person had a snooty voice or something. But there's nothing I can do to help a person who is offended by the high price of a hot car in high demand.
How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?
I can't and won't apologize for making a profit. If people want a huge discount off sticker, they are more than welcome to attend the ongoing fire sale of huge vehicles at any domestic dealership.
We've heard more than enough times how car salesman need to get over themselves. I now call for consumers to do the same.
How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?
Good question. Was just going to ask the same thing myself.
How's this: "I'm terribly sorry Mr. Jip, the demand on these Snooty hybrids are exceptional high due to the high gas prices. We are selling these as fast as we get them in... and they have been selling at MSRP. We'd love to have your business, but MSRP and free towel mats are the absolutely best we can do."
Or: "You want $500 OFF on Snooty??? Ahh haa haa... that's a good one mac. Good luck with that one! Seriously... $5k ADM or there is the door".
Now... which of the two above would be the way you would like to be treated?
I'm a little disappointed that the average credit score is in the 800's. With mine being 830 and my wife's being 820, we thought that we were pretty special. :shades: When I bought the convertible last October, the manager said that I qualified for any car on the lot. When we bought our retirement home two years ago, the broker seemed so impressed with the credit scores. Oh well, I'm glad that I'm at least average. Wonder how I could get it higher? I've never paid a late bill in my life or had high balances on any cards. Looks like I would be a 900 if 800 is average.
Check with your States Attorney's General Dept..I know in the state of Pa. the onus is on the dealer....once they contract you it's for them to straighten out.You have the right to walk away from the deal.If they did anything in regard to remarketing your trades before the note was bought then they are dumb beyond belief.They should have put you on a dealer plate until they had the loan approved and placed,brought you back in,explained the situation and let you exercise your option without the pressure they are now ,incorrectly, trying to place on you.
Your posts don't sound arrogant, but ,at times, a little grumpy. :shades: That's only when you don't like my "silly" posts. You have a level head and give good advice. With no air conditioning in your house, I can understand a lack of humor. It happened to us one hot summer back in 1986. We had to wait four days for the unit to come and then be installed. I didn't like my wife's menu choices, the sticky sheets. the roaring attic fan blowing hot air, etc. :mad: Funny thing was that I grew up without air conditioning and never gave it a thought. Just like cars, we get used to having what we want. Like the commercial says, it's my ______and I want it now. I hate that commercial. :sick:
"...How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?..."
You're kidding ,right? That sounds like a question from Salesmanship 101.
In my business, if I have to deliver price news that I know the customer won't like I try to make the customer feel that we are in this tough spot together. Which presentation would you rather have:
1. Gee Mr. dhamilton, I'd like to help you on the price but the demand on this model is so high that I can't sell it that cheap. Those darn gas prices are hurting all of us.
OR
2. Sorry Bub, but I've been listening to grinders like you complain all day about prices. This baby is a hot ticket and I'm riding it for all it's worth. Heee Hawww!
It doesn't cost anything to have a little empathy.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
"...that the average credit score is in the 800's..."
I doubt that it is. I think Moo was referring to the only people able to buy cars now are people who were disciplined enough not to blow their credit to bits.
Of course it depends on the scale you are using. My score was obtained from an agency which rates credit from 450-850. An 800 there is quite high. Other agencies rate on a scale which goes as high as 950. An 800 there would not be so exceptional.
Then there are some "free" credit scores that are all over the place.
I do know that when I showed my salesman the credit score on my report his eyes lit up like it was Christmas morning.
He later told me that all he was seeing lately were "deadbeats".
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Is the Sentra that hot it's going for sticker? Or, did the buyer just lay down for you?
A little bit of both... He bought a fully loaded sentra which is rare right now. But the sentra has great incentives right now. Rebates with special financing. I presented numbers he asked for a few minutes made some calls ( that's where I got nervous ) hung up the phone. I came over and he said OK lets do it. It does help that he needed a car also.
But the thing is we have written 6 sticker deals this month on Sentra's. :shades:
There isn't a lot of mark up in a Sentra to boot either.
Anywhere from $1100 - $2000 in mark up. But as Oldfarmer mention earlier if he was treated right he may have bought that VW diesel
I have no pity for someone who goes to a dealership with no idea of the market for the car, having obviously done 0 research to make the second biggest purchase in life.
A few posts ago GG mentioned that a salesman called several weeks after they had walked out hoping to "talk". That seemed an awfully long time to let a potential customer stew.
Is it typical to let a customer walk and then wait enough time for him to shop your price in every dealership in the state? I would think that after a few days the customer would have made a decision and either come back or purchased elsewhere.
If it was me and the customer left angry or overwhelmed I'd give it two, maybe three days at most. Would I be wise or a winey? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
House next door to me just sold to a young, immigrant Indian couple with two small kids for $850,000. What’s amazing is that she drives a Corolla, and he drives an older Legacy.
I am not sure yet if they are overly intelligent and spend as little as possible on depreciating assets like cars, or they’re overly dumb and overextended themselves on a house that might still drop in value.
Warning this post is off topic ('isell', you'll probably want to use the scroll button now). I tried to get it on topic a little bit but ‘you know who’ would have none of it.
Went out to eat tonight and since we’re going to the beach next week Mrs. jmonroe said, “I want to stop at Target and get a pair of sandals”. I asked, “what’s wrong with the other 10 pair you have”? The answer was, “I don’t want to beat those up, I saw a nice pair there last week and they were only around $20”. Now I’m not going to drop this so I said, where is the economy of spending $20 for a pair of throw aways (I guess throw aways are a real part of my life), if I were you, I’d wear the oldest pair then throw those away when we get back. :confuse: After trying logic one more time and again it didn’t work, I dropped it. So we go to Target. The tale ain’t over yet folks.
As we are leaving I did something I almost never do; I wanted to use the restroom for a quick stop. Like I said I usually don’t do this so I’m very careful to look at the wording on the door. It said MEN plain and simple. No sooner do I enter, a very good looking women in her 20’s is scurrying out. She must have seen the weird look on my face as I was backing out of the room (I was only about 4 feet past the door into the room). Seeing my face she says as she’s almost running out of the MENS room, “your ok, I just couldn’t hold it any more they’re cleaning the WOMENS room”. :surprise:
Since she almost knocked me out of the room, I told Mrs. jmonroe what had happened and I said I’m going to follow her out into the parking lot so I can see what she’s driving. I want to tell some people (you poster buddies) about this. She says, “NO, is there something wrong with you, that girl is nuts. Just go back in there and do what you were going to do”.
I couldn’t help but thinking what would have happened if I went through the “other” door and had to tell security what she told me. I doubt that I would be making this post as quickly as I am.
You know I ain’t making this up.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Definitely not one of those. Believe me. I just got a quick look but I could pick her out of a line up if I had to. Some things you don't forget that quickly.
She/he come from the direction of the urinals or the stalls?
Like I said, it was a SHE and also like I said, I never made it past the 4 foot point. No fixtures were visible at that point, sorry. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I have attended workshops and the like in hotels with large meeting areas. I have seen a woman come into the restroom, past the gentlemen at the urinals and enter a booth. That has happened twice if I can recall. The problem is the number of units in the ladies is often small and all the ladies take longer to manage the clothing. If you gotta go, you gotta go.
What a wonderfully useful set of data will come from this exercise.
Much money is spent (wasted) on this tripe. It might have been useful for the first six months (days?), until the system was gamed. Why not just get rid of it and reduce the price by $0.03 (or whatever) on a copier and a few dollars on a car.
But the beat goes on.
Consumers Report depends on much the same sort of data -- self-selected cohort with all kinds of bogus stuff going on.
We're not as open to this sort of thing in the U.S. In France I don't think anyone would have even given her a second glance.
On one of my visits to France I was in a washroom with lots of other men and women milling about. There were several shower stalls and at least one woman taking a shower in one. You couldn't see anyone beyond the solid door but everyone laughed when she turned on the faucet and yelled when she got a blast of COLD water.
Then, out in the parking lot, they had a garden hose draped over a metal folding chair for the really uninhibited people. One guy was standing there in his birthday suit hosing himself off in broad daylight. No one seemed to care.
What does this have to do with car sales? Umm...I saw a lot of Smart cars in Paris, long before any of them started appearing in the U.S., although I saw one getting off the interstate today on my way to work. You almost wouldn't think a car that small could even get up to highway speeds.
I was laughing at a post here the other day when my wife was walking by. Of course she asked me what I was laughing at (she was afraid I was enjoying myself).
I mentioned a few of the "regulars" here and one I mentioned was jmonroe and how your wife was pressuring you to get new dining room furniture.
My wife said that since one of my "Edmunds buddies" was buying new furniture then we should get that new bedroom set she had her eye on. There was nothing I could do to convince her that the dining room was NOT being bought. I protested and whined - trying to get her to understand that there would be no new furniture in jmonroes house.
Our bedroom set will be delivered in a few weeks. :sick:
Oh, yes. We drove to the furniture store in my BMW.
Another vicious day on Wall St. I call it the Salem Witch trials,you're insolvent , No you're insolvent. Wall St's inner child is a really mean little mofo. You threaten Bear Stearns and Lehman and life goes on. You threaten Fannie & Freddie and 5.3 trillion in mortgages and you've crossed the line.The only rationale I can come up with is if they portend total gloom & doom maybe the feds will comeup with a bail out that includes them. But on to A.L Williams (buy term and invest the rest). I once knew someone that referred to them Pre-Primerica buyout as Al Williams. Al Bundy ? No Al Williams. And yes, they were hardcore. But life has a wonderful sense of humor . Art Williams a Tampa Bay area former billionaire may be getting downgraded. "Williams sold his company to New York-based Primerica Corporation for $90 million in 1989.
He has made a big amount of his fortune from investments, particularly in Citigroup, in which he owns 21 million shares. " Ouch!
I've been accused of being too latter generational biased. So I'll move the bar temporarily to the 90's, But that's as far as I will go dammit. Luckily it's stll a 70's-80's band of extreme talent.
Hello, Is there anybody in there Just nod if you can hear me Is there anyone at home Come on now I hear you're feeling down I can ease your pain And get you on your feet again.
There was no such thing as voluntary import quotas. The US govt. limited the imports to 2 million a year for all import manufacturers. I remember the feeding frenzy at Honda, Toyota, and Datsun dealers back then. I ran into quite a few Toyota salesman that didn't know beans about the product but wanted MSRP plus ADM for the Toyota VanWagon. Right.. I learned my lesson in 81 when they took me to the cleaners with the 81 Celica. This time around I had sales managers coming out to the lot and offer me part time sales jobs. I had to decline since I was on active duty and you had to jump through hoops and ask the C.O. for permission to moonlight. Mack :shades:
> Is it typical to let a customer walk and then wait enough time for him to shop your price in every dealership in the state?
Way back when, my brother was shopping for a Chrysler / Plymouth K-car. The salesman (SM) was pushing hard for full MSRP. When my brother started to leave the SM offered to throw in the rear-window defogger ($95). My brother drove to another dealer where he purchased a new Reliant at a much better price.
As my brother arrived back home his phone was ringing. It was the first SM with another deal. When informed that my brother had just purchased a car, the SM blew his stack and stated to scream "Why didn't you tell me you were buying TODAY?" The SM was really ticked as though my brother had just duped him. :mad:
Cracked my brother up. "What did the SM think I was trying to do for two hours as the fool played his games?"
I was amazed to read your post this morning, my wife and I just had a rather tumultuous go-around several hours ago about this. I have an 800, all credit cards and loans are always in my name, she is a user on everything.
Now that I'm retired, she talked to her female friends who promptly told her she is courting disaster, so now I have to let her be the main on many of the accounts, I will do that, I don't want any trouble, just let me retire in peace.
Now that I'm retired, she talked to her female friends
just let me retire in peace.
Yeah right, good luck with that one. I sorta know what I’m talking about here; probably why I allowed my old employer to talk me out of retirement and do some consulting work. :confuse:
Topic thing: Go buy yourself a car and be sure to put it in your name only. You have to start out small; then take back total control.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Maybe you're right and I thought about this after I posted.
I should have put a disclaimer in my post that if we lose a poster here, because my advice was followed, it ain't my fault. (you can't believe everything you read on the internet)
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I've bought every new car she's had, about 14 or so over 36 years, she picks out color, body style, options, I do the rest. It has to be GM! Now she says thank you, I will pick out the next one, maybe like her friends Hyundai, Honda or Toyota. Title it in her name.
Thanks a lot. I have lost total control, this has worked well for three and a half decades, now it doesn't work anymore. Her female friends are no longer welcome at my home, course that has no meaning since I'm always downstairs in my den when they "visit."
You're married, there shall be no peace. Most retired men I know work harder in said retirement thanks to extensive "Honey Dew" lists.
Luckily for me, I've established myslef as a lazy, uncoordinated, out of shape slob with the Evil Wife. Low expectations, she's afraid to give me assignments!
"There's something happen' here. What it is ain't exactly clear..."
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
They are both probably rich. There are many Indian immigrants that are engineers, doctors, etc.. so they have the money and can afford what they buy. Mack
"...How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?..."
1. Gee Mr. dhamilton, I'd like to help you on the price but the demand on this model is so high that I can't sell it that cheap. Those darn gas prices are hurting all of us.
OR
2. Sorry Bub, but I've been listening to grinders like you complain all day about prices. This baby is a hot ticket and I'm riding it for all it's worth. Heee Hawww!
I would use neither.
I would state full MSRP price and let the customer know:
Excellent Choice Sir. You have very good taste and an eye for the very best. It would be my pleasure to work with a person of such high standards. This car is top of the line in its class. (while I walk around the car, I would also state:) The OTD price for this car is XXXXX.xx dollars. Will you be paying cash?
This will have the customer either: 1. Buy it at that price for his "honor" is at stake 2. Stoop down and ask for a vehicle which is discounted and in the eyes of the salesperson not fit for a person of his class :shades:
I am not sure yet if they are overly intelligent and spend as little as possible on depreciating assets like cars, ...
My very close friend owns 22 Motels in NY/NJ area, which includes the Ramada inn, Country inn and suites, Hampton Inn, etc . Still drives a 1991 Toyota Camry, but has a house worth $2 million.
I was a young tender lad of 23. My wife and I and little Mackabee jr. needed a car bad. We had an AMC Rambler which we used to call "El poderosito" which means the "Small powerful". I bought the Rambler in Las Cruces New Mexico and drove it to Millington Tn. where I was going to a Navy school. The car was ok but had some issues. On the way to TN. I pulled over in Texas in the middle of nowhere to take a pee. I couldn't hold it until the next town. As I get out of the car I almost fell as the ground was wet and very slippery. As I got back in the car I realized we were stuck! I tried and tried to get the car out of the mud but to no avail. A passing motorist must have called the tow truck or they towed a lot of cars there as one came over in a few minutes. "It's going to cost you $50.00 bucks to get you out of the mud." the tow truck driver said. "$50.00 bucks!!" I exclaimed. You got to remember this was in 1980 and I was just a poor second class petty officer then. So I paid him the 50 and he pulled us out of the mud. We continued our trip. We made it to Tennessee without a problem. Later in the year the starter became loose and one of the bolts that held it together fell off. I remember one winter morning having to put the starter back on as it was almost off the car. After I got done with training we drove back to California and the car made it all the way without a hitch!! Once in San Diego we decided to look for a new car. I had read somewhere that Japanese cars were the best made at that time and we headed out to look at a few. We looked at Nissan, back then it was still called Datsun, Toyota, and Honda. Although Hondas you could only see them in brochures as the dealers had none in stock every one of them was pre-sold. That would have been the time to be selling Honda. So we looked at a couple of domestics also. I was not too familiar with the Japanese brands and they looked rather small to me. We almost bought a Buick Regal and to this day I still don't know why we didn't since it was big and roomy and very nice. I think the sales person was not very enthusiastic and actually was kind of desperate IIRC to sell the car. They discounted it quite a good amount and I thought there must be something wrong with the car if they are trying to unload it so easy. So we left. We went to a Toyota dealer and test drove a pick up truck or as they were called back then a "mini truck". Mrs. Mackabee thought I was crazy for wanting a mini truck and started talking some sense into me. "What are we going to do when we have another kid?" she asked me. "You're right." I replied. Back then I didn't like many of their offerings as they were rather ugly looking. I did like the Celica as it was a bit sporty looking and I'd seen a few on the road. "Let's try a Celica then." I told her. So we get into a Celica ST. No a/c, roll up windows, manual locks, and am/fm radio. What we call in the biz, a "strippy". Me being an ignorant small town boy from New Mexico didn't know you could negotiate the price of the car and to save some money I skipped the GT which was very well equipped but a couple of thousand more. The ST was $7245.00 MSRP. I remember them "giving" us $200.00 for El poderosito which is what I owed on it. So it was a wash. They kept working us on payment the whole time. I remember the salesperson coming back and asking for more money. "Can you do $200.00 or $210.00?" he would ask and my wife would tug at my shirt if I said we could. It was our first new car purchase and by the time it was all said and done we walked out of there with a new car at full pop, 19.90% interest for 48 months thru Ford Motor Credit, and I don't even remember what the payment was. I did refinance the loan with our credit union a couple of months later for quite a lower interest rate. A few years later around Christmas time I went to the local Target store and there was a bin with lots of books under $5 dollars. Since I like to read I perused the inventory and found a gem of a book which I wish I still had. It was Remar Sutton's "Don't get taken, the insider's guide to buying your next car". I leafed through it and found it interesting so I bought it. It was the best $1 buck I have ever spent in my life! I went home and started reading it and didn't stop until I finished it around 3am in the morning. I dug up my old buyer's order and looked the figures over and man was I pissed! I could have paid 1k less and gotten a lower interest rate through my credit union had I done a little homework. That book is also the one that introduced me to Edmund's price guides which used to be sold at any book store, convenience store, and you could find them in the library too. So having learned my lesson the next purchase was 180 degrees the opposite of this one. But that's for another story another day. Mack :shades:
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How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?
I can't and won't apologize for making a profit. If people want a huge discount off sticker, they are more than welcome to attend the ongoing fire sale of huge vehicles at any domestic dealership.
We've heard more than enough times how car salesman need to get over themselves. I now call for consumers to do the same.
Good question. Was just going to ask the same thing myself.
How's this: "I'm terribly sorry Mr. Jip, the demand on these Snooty hybrids are exceptional high due to the high gas prices. We are selling these as fast as we get them in... and they have been selling at MSRP. We'd love to have your business, but MSRP and free towel mats are the absolutely best we can do."
Or: "You want $500 OFF on Snooty??? Ahh haa haa... that's a good one mac. Good luck with that one! Seriously... $5k ADM or there is the door".
Now... which of the two above would be the way you would like to be treated?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Richard
Richard
You're kidding ,right? That sounds like a question from Salesmanship 101.
In my business, if I have to deliver price news that I know the customer won't like I try to make the customer feel that we are in this tough spot together. Which presentation would you rather have:
1. Gee Mr. dhamilton, I'd like to help you on the price but the demand on this model is so high that I can't sell it that cheap. Those darn gas prices are hurting all of us.
OR
2. Sorry Bub, but I've been listening to grinders like you complain all day about prices. This baby is a hot ticket and I'm riding it for all it's worth. Heee Hawww!
It doesn't cost anything to have a little empathy.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I doubt that it is. I think Moo was referring to the only people able to buy cars now are people who were disciplined enough not to blow their credit to bits.
Of course it depends on the scale you are using. My score was obtained from an agency which rates credit from 450-850. An 800 there is quite high. Other agencies rate on a scale which goes as high as 950. An 800 there would not be so exceptional.
Then there are some "free" credit scores that are all over the place.
I do know that when I showed my salesman the credit score on my report his eyes lit up like it was Christmas morning.
He later told me that all he was seeing lately were "deadbeats".
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
A little bit of both... He bought a fully loaded sentra which is rare right now. But the sentra has great incentives right now. Rebates with special financing. I presented numbers he asked for a few minutes made some calls ( that's where I got nervous ) hung up the phone. I came over and he said OK lets do it. It does help that he needed a car also.
But the thing is we have written 6 sticker deals this month on Sentra's. :shades:
There isn't a lot of mark up in a Sentra to boot either.
Anywhere from $1100 - $2000 in mark up. But as Oldfarmer mention earlier if he was treated right he may have bought that VW diesel
GP
I try very hard to be polite at all times with my customers, but I don't say sorry if I haven't done anything wrong.
The people that are offended are the most uneducated re cars IME.
Arrogant salesman/Idiot customer
Lots of fans in the house!
The biggest purchase being a home. But as we have seen, these folks didn't do any research there either. 500K homes and they work at Mickey D's!
So after the bank takes their home they come bouncing into your dealership hoping to snag a buy on a Hybrid to make themselves feel better.
I can see where you'd get a little bitter. :mad:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
:shades:
Is it typical to let a customer walk and then wait enough time for him to shop your price in every dealership in the state? I would think that after a few days the customer would have made a decision and either come back or purchased elsewhere.
If it was me and the customer left angry or overwhelmed I'd give it two, maybe three days at most. Would I be wise or a winey? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
House next door to me just sold to a young, immigrant Indian couple with two small kids for $850,000. What’s amazing is that she drives a Corolla, and he drives an older Legacy.
I am not sure yet if they are overly intelligent and spend as little as possible on depreciating assets like cars, or they’re overly dumb and overextended themselves on a house that might still drop in value.
Went out to eat tonight and since we’re going to the beach next week Mrs. jmonroe said, “I want to stop at Target and get a pair of sandals”. I asked, “what’s wrong with the other 10 pair you have”? The answer was, “I don’t want to beat those up, I saw a nice pair there last week and they were only around $20”. Now I’m not going to drop this so I said, where is the economy of spending $20 for a pair of throw aways (I guess throw aways are a real part of my life), if I were you, I’d wear the oldest pair then throw those away when we get back. :confuse: After trying logic one more time and again it didn’t work, I dropped it. So we go to Target. The tale ain’t over yet folks.
As we are leaving I did something I almost never do; I wanted to use the restroom for a quick stop. Like I said I usually don’t do this so I’m very careful to look at the wording on the door. It said MEN plain and simple. No sooner do I enter, a very good looking women in her 20’s is scurrying out. She must have seen the weird look on my face as I was backing out of the room (I was only about 4 feet past the door into the room). Seeing my face she says as she’s almost running out of the MENS room, “your ok, I just couldn’t hold it any more they’re cleaning the WOMENS room”. :surprise:
Since she almost knocked me out of the room, I told Mrs. jmonroe what had happened and I said I’m going to follow her out into the parking lot so I can see what she’s driving. I want to tell some people (you poster buddies) about this. She says, “NO, is there something wrong with you, that girl is nuts. Just go back in there and do what you were going to do”.
I couldn’t help but thinking what would have happened if I went through the “other” door and had to tell security what she told me. I doubt that I would be making this post as quickly as I am.
You know I ain’t making this up.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Could have been a cross-dresser. She/he come from the direction of the urinals or the stalls?
Definitely not one of those. Believe me. I just got a quick look but I could pick her out of a line up if I had to. Some things you don't forget that quickly.
She/he come from the direction of the urinals or the stalls?
Like I said, it was a SHE and also like I said, I never made it past the 4 foot point. No fixtures were visible at that point, sorry. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Much money is spent (wasted) on this tripe. It might have been useful for the first six months (days?), until the system was gamed. Why not just get rid of it and reduce the price by $0.03 (or whatever) on a copier and a few dollars on a car.
But the beat goes on.
Consumers Report depends on much the same sort of data -- self-selected cohort with all kinds of bogus stuff going on.
I took it to mean when he was at Nissan they were 600. Now that he is at Porsche they are 800.
Moo?
oops! After reading on I see Moo clarified it.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
On one of my visits to France I was in a washroom with lots of other men and women milling about. There were several shower stalls and at least one woman taking a shower in one. You couldn't see anyone beyond the solid door but everyone laughed when she turned on the faucet and yelled when she got a blast of COLD water.
Then, out in the parking lot, they had a garden hose draped over a metal folding chair for the really uninhibited people. One guy was standing there in his birthday suit hosing himself off in broad daylight. No one seemed to care.
What does this have to do with car sales? Umm...I saw a lot of Smart cars in Paris, long before any of them started appearing in the U.S., although I saw one getting off the interstate today on my way to work. You almost wouldn't think a car that small could even get up to highway speeds.
Mink
I mentioned a few of the "regulars" here and one I mentioned was jmonroe and how your wife was pressuring you to get new dining room furniture.
My wife said that since one of my "Edmunds buddies" was buying new furniture then we should get that new bedroom set she had her eye on. There was nothing I could do to convince her that the dining room was NOT being bought. I protested and whined - trying to get her to understand that there would be no new furniture in jmonroes house.
Our bedroom set will be delivered in a few weeks. :sick:
Oh, yes. We drove to the furniture store in my BMW.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
But on to A.L Williams (buy term and invest the rest). I once knew someone that referred to them Pre-Primerica buyout as Al Williams. Al Bundy ? No Al Williams. And yes, they were hardcore. But life has a wonderful sense of humor .
Art Williams a Tampa Bay area former billionaire may be getting downgraded.
"Williams sold his company to New York-based Primerica Corporation for $90 million in 1989.
He has made a big amount of his fortune from investments, particularly in Citigroup, in which he owns 21 million shares. "
Ouch!
I've been accused of being too latter generational biased. So I'll move the bar temporarily to the 90's, But that's as far as I will go dammit. Luckily it's stll a 70's-80's band of extreme talent.
Hello,
Is there anybody in there
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone at home
Come on now
I hear you're feeling down
I can ease your pain
And get you on your feet again.
"Comfortably Numb"
One of my favorite songs.
Mack :shades:
Way back when, my brother was shopping for a Chrysler / Plymouth K-car. The salesman (SM) was pushing hard for full MSRP. When my brother started to leave the SM offered to throw in the rear-window defogger ($95). My brother drove to another dealer where he purchased a new Reliant at a much better price.
As my brother arrived back home his phone was ringing. It was the first SM with another deal. When informed that my brother had just purchased a car, the SM blew his stack and stated to scream "Why didn't you tell me you were buying TODAY?" The SM was really ticked as though my brother had just duped him. :mad:
Cracked my brother up. "What did the SM think I was trying to do for two hours as the fool played his games?"
Can you explain further on that event?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Geeze, how did you manage to blow that? I thought I was schooling you posters out there better than that.
The only thing I can suggest now is to move and not give the furniture store your new address.
Tough lesson to learn.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Now that I'm retired, she talked to her female friends who promptly told her she is courting disaster, so now I have to let her be the main on many of the accounts, I will do that, I don't want any trouble, just let me retire in peace.
just let me retire in peace.
Yeah right, good luck with that one. I sorta know what I’m talking about here; probably why I allowed my old employer to talk me out of retirement and do some consulting work. :confuse:
Topic thing: Go buy yourself a car and be sure to put it in your name only. You have to start out small; then take back total control.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
haha, that's a good one. You trying to get the guy killed?
If you can't "get control", and keep it, within the first year or two of marriage you may as well hang em up... just ask my wife. :sick:
Maybe you're right and I thought about this after I posted.
I should have put a disclaimer in my post that if we lose a poster here, because my advice was followed, it ain't my fault. (you can't believe everything you read on the internet)
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Thanks a lot. I have lost total control, this has worked well for three and a half decades, now it doesn't work anymore. Her female friends are no longer welcome at my home, course that has no meaning since I'm always downstairs in my den when they "visit."
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
Luckily for me, I've established myslef as a lazy, uncoordinated, out of shape slob with the Evil Wife. Low expectations, she's afraid to give me assignments!
"There's something happen' here. What it is ain't exactly clear..."
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Mack
"...How would a salesperson go about stating that the car sells for full sticker?..."
1. Gee Mr. dhamilton, I'd like to help you on the price but the demand on this model is so high that I can't sell it that cheap. Those darn gas prices are hurting all of us.
OR
2. Sorry Bub, but I've been listening to grinders like you complain all day about prices. This baby is a hot ticket and I'm riding it for all it's worth. Heee Hawww!
I would use neither.
I would state full MSRP price and let the customer know:
Excellent Choice Sir. You have very good taste and an eye for the very best. It would be my pleasure to work with a person of such high standards. This car is top of the line in its class. (while I walk around the car, I would also state:) The OTD price for this car is XXXXX.xx dollars. Will you be paying cash?
This will have the customer either:
1. Buy it at that price for his "honor" is at stake
2. Stoop down and ask for a vehicle which is discounted and in the eyes of the salesperson not fit for a person of his class :shades:
My very close friend owns 22 Motels in NY/NJ area, which includes the Ramada inn, Country inn and suites, Hampton Inn, etc . Still drives a 1991 Toyota Camry, but has a house worth $2 million.
All along the watch tower.... You take your pick on which artist :surprise:
GP
You should see this video then. It will change your mind.
5th Gear tests how a Smart Fortwo handles a concrete barrier at 70mph
http://video.cardomain.com/Clip.aspx?key=8149C641FA4B49AE
"Stop, hey, what's that sound. Everybody look what's going down...."
Can't remember who sings it, but it was in the same era as "All along the watchtower". Originally done by Bob Dylan. Covered by everyone.
I was a young tender lad of 23. My wife and I and little Mackabee jr. needed a car bad. We had an AMC Rambler which we used to call "El poderosito" which means the "Small powerful". I bought the Rambler in Las Cruces New Mexico and drove it to Millington Tn. where I was going to a Navy school. The car was ok but had some issues.
On the way to TN. I pulled over in Texas in the middle of nowhere to take a pee. I couldn't hold it until the next town. As I get out of the car I almost fell as the ground was wet and very slippery. As I got back in the car I realized we were stuck! I tried and tried to get the car out of the mud but to no avail. A passing motorist must have called the tow truck or they towed a lot of cars there as one came over in a few minutes. "It's going to cost you $50.00 bucks to get you out of the mud." the tow truck driver said. "$50.00 bucks!!" I exclaimed. You got to remember this was in 1980 and I was just a poor second class petty officer then. So I paid him the 50 and he pulled us out of the mud. We continued our trip. We made it to Tennessee without a problem. Later in the year the starter became loose and one of the bolts that held it together fell off. I remember one winter morning having to put the starter back on as it was almost off the car.
After I got done with training we drove back to California and the car made it all the way without a hitch!!
Once in San Diego we decided to look for a new car. I had read somewhere that Japanese cars were the best made at that time and we headed out to look at a few. We looked at Nissan, back then it was still called Datsun, Toyota, and Honda. Although Hondas you could only see them in brochures as the dealers had none in stock every one of them was pre-sold. That would have been the time to be selling Honda.
So we looked at a couple of domestics also. I was not too familiar with the Japanese brands and they looked rather small to me. We almost bought a Buick Regal and to this day I still don't know why we didn't since it was big and roomy and very nice. I think the sales person was not very enthusiastic and actually was kind of desperate IIRC to sell the car. They discounted it quite a good amount and I thought there must be something wrong with the car if they are trying to unload it so easy. So we left.
We went to a Toyota dealer and test drove a pick up truck or as they were called back then a "mini truck". Mrs. Mackabee thought I was crazy for wanting a mini truck and started talking some sense into me. "What are we going to do when we have another kid?" she asked me. "You're right." I replied. Back then I didn't like many of their offerings as they were rather ugly looking. I did like the Celica as it was a bit sporty looking and I'd seen a few on the road. "Let's try a Celica then." I told her.
So we get into a Celica ST. No a/c, roll up windows, manual locks, and am/fm radio. What we call in the biz, a "strippy".
Me being an ignorant small town boy from New Mexico didn't know you could negotiate the price of the car and to save some money I skipped the GT which was very well equipped but a couple of thousand more. The ST was $7245.00 MSRP. I remember them "giving" us $200.00 for El poderosito which is what I owed on it. So it was a wash. They kept working us on payment the whole time. I remember the salesperson coming back and asking for more money. "Can you do $200.00 or $210.00?" he would ask and my wife would tug at my shirt if I said we could.
It was our first new car purchase and by the time it was all said and done we walked out of there with a new car at full pop, 19.90% interest for 48 months thru Ford Motor Credit, and I don't even remember what the payment was.
I did refinance the loan with our credit union a couple of months later for quite a lower interest rate.
A few years later around Christmas time I went to the local Target store and there was a bin with lots of books under $5 dollars. Since I like to read I perused the inventory and found a gem of a book which I wish I still had. It was Remar Sutton's "Don't get taken, the insider's guide to buying your next car". I leafed through it and found it interesting so I bought it. It was the best $1 buck I have ever spent in my life!
I went home and started reading it and didn't stop until I finished it around 3am in the morning. I dug up my old buyer's order and looked the figures over and man was I pissed! I could have paid 1k less and gotten a lower interest rate through my credit union had I done a little homework. That book is also the one that introduced me to Edmund's price guides which used to be sold at any book store, convenience store, and you could find them in the library too.
So having learned my lesson the next purchase was 180 degrees the opposite of this one. But that's for another story another day.
Mack
:shades: