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LMAO.... Nope... I got lucky and gave her everything and just started fresh. I could have been a jerk about things but why drag crap out. I just moved on. Since I was fighting for anything it was quick and easy. I had to smudge the dates on how long we were seperated.... in other words say it was longer. But in the end I think I got out lucky.
Thank you everyone for your support,
GP
I'll see what I can do about getting back here more often. I am trying to do 20 cars this month and right now I have 6.5 so I will be taking every up I can and trying to stay away from distractions. There is nothing worse than being in the middle of a good story, fight, or opinion... and than have to stop what I am doing for a "available sales call" By the time I close the page some other sales guy is already taking the up.
GP
I'll disagree with you... as usual. My Buick dealership gave me the home phone number of the prior owner of a 99 Buick Regal I wanted to buy. It was a very nice car, I just wanted to be sure there wasn't any unknown problems. A very nice little old lady answered the phone. Answered my questions, no problems with the car she said, recently had new brakes put in, a $700 job. By the dealership giving me her number, it helped them make a sale, as I was reassured there were no known problems. This info will be included in the new "booklet" I am publishing... "The Jipst Method of Buying a Used Car". You get the first copy! :P
Funny you should mention that. Just last night I was watching one of those "Amazing Videos" shows and they had a story of a gunman who was put in a wheelchair by his buddy in a car crash. he was so angry that he got a gun and wheeled over to his friend's house to shoot him. When his friend wasn't home he did the next best thing, he went and shot the salesman who sold his friend the car!
You don't even have to do anything wrong these days to have the axe murderer come to your door.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Go get 'em.
Oh, and the CEL cam on in the Accord today. If I need a new Nissan below dealer cost I'll be sure to show up on your doorstep....
Don't tell me you fell for the "Old Lady" scam where they hire this old lady and have all prospective buyers call her. She gives you rave reviews about the cars and tells you she "just put new brakes, or new tires, or a new engine" into the car. She in fact works for the dealer and tells you rubes whatever you want to hear. :sick:
She makes $50 for every sale she closes.
I think they saw you coming Jip. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
We have a telemarketing room with full time old ladies who owned all the cars on the lot including the minivans, the diesel trucks, the sports cars and the import tuner cars. :P
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OK, I'll rephrase what I said..." In most instances no good will come from a call to the previous owner"
Unless she gave her permission, that dealer broke the law by giving you her number.
Keep your book or better yet....nevermind.
My favorite remedy is to just stay drunk. :shades:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Bud)
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Congrats on now being a free man. My guess is you will be re-married within 3 months !
LOL, just kidding. I hope you are terrorizing all the ladies in your neck of the woods.
I heard a good wedding joke the other day. The Bride shows up and there is the Groom standing in the wedding chapel...she notices that his golf bag is by his side. She asks him what the golf bag is doing there and he looks her in the eye and says, "This isn't going to take all day is it?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Yea, right! We know the REAL dude. :P
Richard
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
LMAO.... tahnks for the good joke :shades:
Here in New York, the dealer must give the buyer a copy of the mileage verification form. Simply ask to see this before buying. The name and address of the previous owner is on this form.
On one occasion the previous owner told me he was trading because the seats were uncomfortable for him, otherwise the car was fine. On another occasion the owner warned me away from the car.
My last few cars have been ex-rentals. Don't think Mr. Avis or Mr. Hertz would be particularly helpful. But I did find some paperwork indicating that Budget had paid Mannheim Auction $368.40 to repair some dings and replace a missing key and cup holder.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of everyone elses money.
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2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
OK, I'll rephrase what I said..." In most instances no good will come from a call to the previous owner"
Unless she gave her permission, that dealer broke the law by giving you her number.
Keep your book or better yet....nevermind.
Have to agree with Craig 100% on this one :surprise:
Also in refrence to the old lady scam.... I understand it was a joke but in reality, Every dealer I know is cutting expenses everywhere. So unless the dealer had a "old lady" sales person, this wouldn't happen. I know here at my store we are doing everything. I am surprised I haven't had to go buy a tool bench to work on used vehicles that I sold so that way we don't have to pay service. :sick:
GP
:sick: :confuse:
Mainly because you can't (should not) advertise what you have not in stock.
This mainly due to the fact that you do not receive what you ordered in the deliveries you thought they might arrive. Once they arrive, in good times, a dealer is expecting to sell new cars rather quickly from the floor, making the process of updating online inventories a rather unprofitable task.
Hmm...when I purchased my house, I received a "GOOD FAITH" estimate before we proceeded further on financing. It listed all the fees that they could possibly charge.
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and cause you just as much pain if you don't
Hope divorce is not like that :P
If you continue to sell junk, you’ll probably be asked to do this. You’re not out of the woods yet. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
you mean fudge?
Please e-mail (don't phone) me your MSRP, Invoice, Holdback from your Boss, and rebate information (both to me from you, and to you from Amazon.com)
for your booklet, "The Jipst Method of Buying a Used Car". I will then (after comparing your rate with Border's and CostCo) give you my firm price on the next rainy evening on the last day of the month. Please don't intend to dicker with me.
I'm an old, white haired lady raising orphaned infants all by myself.
Listen up grandma... everybody pays full retail on my best seller! But, since you're and Edmunds brother (sister), I'll knock off the adm. fee for you. Now you can upgrade them pearly white choppers with Denture Creme... with all that money you be saving.
Lets be honest here, we are not talking about high volume sales here. Auto sales are relatively low volume and adding and removing items from a website isn't that great an endevour. My purchase was of the website the next business day.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I didn't know you wrote two books, at least someones buying that other one.
Ducking and running.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
agreed. And which why Mazda was able put up such an online inventory finder in place as they are never selling like hot cakes :sick:
The volume is enough to manage such an IT project without bogging down the whole logistics/transportation system.
I would expect that if things continue as they are, there will be fewer salespersons on the floor and more website and supply chain IT professionals managing the inventory online where a customer can locate a vehicle, and price it correctly, including all the discounts applicable. Once that is done, the customer can print out the booking, take it to the dealer and buy the vehicle.
Trade-in will be tricky, and maybe the salespeople will be trained to appraise trade-ins when they are brought in.
Knowing greenpea, he probably did mean "smudge". On the separation papers, he licked his finger, smeared the old date, and wrote a new date over it. :P
Richard
Thanks Richard, that was really nice of you
Lol, this is funny
I myself have never had a doc fee objection that I could not overcome. Everything should be explained and disclosed though. I think the majority of the time, those sorts of things are not being disclosed and yes, it does make us look dishonest.
But this isn't Joe's Car Barn...it's an Acura dealerhip, the malarky don't fly here.
Currently one of my jobs is doing tax work, its seasonal and part time but it does provide a decent boost to my income. All I can say is that your problems are not unique to car sales, I get people all the time asking for quotes, misrepresenting what needs to be done to complete their taxes (I won't say lying because most people are not sure about what they need) and stating that H & R Block can do it for $50 (my reply is directions to H & R Block).
Several times I will get all the way through a tax return and the client doesn't like the results and either backs out or states that they have to think about it. I know that I will never see 99% of those again. There have been times when halfway through a preparation the client will ask me to make a change which I know is fraudulent and I won't do it and I will lose that return.
I get people haggling about prices, trying to get lower prices.
I have also been in sales selling a variety of different things and have come across many time wasters and the like.
But all this comes with the territory and you have to accept it if you want to do the work. Accept it as part of the cost of doing business in the field and enjoy life. This may sound harsh but if you can't deal with all that maybe you should be looking for another line or work.
This is a little funny too. I'm so not green, I been doing this for almost 10 years. I started fresh out of high school. I dropped out of college, and sent myself to F&I school, for 5 weeks with my own money, to do this.
Hunny, there is no other line of work...
I remember the day I got hooked. I was 3 or 4 years old in the back of my fathers 1976 Hugger Orange T/A. And since then, I have never experenanced joy like I have gotten from automobiles. But, there are some instances that steal my joy, and the lies is one of them. This is an honest job. But, most of the time people don't view it that way is all I was trying to say. If you do taxes, you are prolly one of the view people that, gets the same looks I get when I tell people how I make my living. But, people are looking at you like that cause they hate the IRS, not beacuse they hate me... as a saleswoman.
People are looking for your help. People don't look at me like I can help, they tell me they are just looking. Most of the time thats where the lie begins. It rolls of the majority of times, but there are moments when I want to say, "you needed my help"...
I like my job, thank you very much.
How so? You refuse to sell the car unless the buyer pays the doc. fee?
But this isn't Joe's Car Barn...it's an Acura dealerhip, the malarky don't fly here.
Whether you be an Acura or a lowly Honda dealership doesn't matter, anything over a $299 doc. fee is malarky IMO. I would suggest to any buyer to either negotiate the doc. fee to around $100-$150, or include that $100-$150 in your OTD offer.
I think the point she was making is that there is a certain demographic of people who shop at Acura who may have a different perspective on a $299 doc fee over those who may shop elsewhere.
In the relative scheme of the purchase price they either just view this as diminimus fee and/or the dealership has educated its typical consumer that there is just no discussion on the this fee.
While some may walk over this, others will just grimmace and continue writing the check.
At least.. when it comes to details of the deal, itself...
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When these first started appearing they drove me absolutely nuts and I told them I'd be perfectly happy to do the MV legwork myself and they said it wouldn't matter the fee's still there.
I would say that I've decided to hang on what I've had rather than subject myself to the whole car buying process more than once.
IMO anything over the old PA doc fee of $55 is a bunch of malarkey. See, you had to get me all wound up again, didn’t ya ? :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
That's so true. Although every consumer here on this thread is educated and very well aware of the car buying process, they area minority, representing less than 1% of car buying public.
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Richard
LOL. I don't think anything will ever compare to the famous "simple question about doc. fees to salespeson" thread.
and congrats on the slick trick you pulled in front of all the veteran Salesmen out here.
I am referring to the Talk about a Merc GM, with your eyes on the Sebring
Congrats....Chrysler will survive with patronage like yours!
Richard, having been a member here at the Edmunds threads for awhile, the buyers break down into 3, maybe 4, categories.
The first, they buy a car. Come into the threads and ask..."did I get a good deal"? Maybe. Maybe not. But, that's irrelevant. You already bought the car. And, there's nothing you can do about your deal after the fact.
The second group is "all dealers are trying to screw me". Their transactions are always miserable, regardless. They trash the sales person on the CSI. They boast they bought their new car for 30% under invoice less holdback. Then, they get even more surly when they find out their trade was worth $2K more than they got, and they got hosed for full tilt on ext warranty, etching, etc.
Then, there's the third.....who know the components of the transaction. They know what they want. They researched trade values and the market for the car they're interested in. If leasing, they know the residuals going in. They're organized and have all their figures and the back up for how they came to those figures, readily available. They're nice, but confident and firm.
Might want to throw in that 4th group. They know what they want. They go in. "Dicker" a little to make themselves feel good. But, they knew they were going to buy as soon as they hit the dealers doors.
I resemble that remark!
Speaking of nice folks, allow me to share an experience with you that I had today with my car salesman. My new car came with only one key with the remote features fixed into the key. Another key had to be ordered. My salesman called this morning to tell me that the key had arrived. I told him that I would come on in to get it programed. When I arrived, I could sense that he was a bit upset. I pushed him for an explanation. He finally relented and said that management wanted me to pay for the cost of the key because they had given me a bare bones deal. I held my cool but pointed out that I had purchased gap insurance and had not complained at all about the doc fees, etc. I also pointed out that I had never purchased a car that didn't come with two keys. He totally agreed with me. I told him that I would be more than happy to speak with the dealer. He told me that it wouldn't be necessary because he was going to take care of this problem internally. After about 15 minutes, my salesman came back and said that they were now ready to program the new key. He was determined to make the situation right.
On the way home, I thought about the situation. I do hope that my salesman didn't have to pay for that key out of his commission. He mentioned that management had been trying to cut back on expenses and that they just over reacted to the key situation. I imagine that the key with the remote features was probably around $100, but I don't really know. The salesman has been so super that my wife and I have agreed to get a nice $100 gift certificate for him. At least if they made him kick in the key, this will help to cushion the blow.
Richard
I don't kiss and tell.
Richard