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I always thought that the cars brakes would overcome the engine, I guess not. :sick:
Mark156 (in Southern California for a couple of months and have seen the 'local' talk)
I'm thinking of trading my 2006 LR3 HSE for a 2010 model. I just wished it came in a diesel. My current LR has 30,000 miles and will be in warranty for another 2 months.
Are the deals to be had for gas guzzling SUV's? Even though I would be trading one for the other?
My LR3 is due for new tires (making a roaring noise). Other than that, it's clean as a whistle! (Black with tan leather).
What do you guys think?
Mark156
You can still get it, but you better bulk up, shave your head, and wear only black.
People at the office told me that the transition from communism to capitalism was pretty well planned, so there weren't as many abuses as in Russia.
OT: There are a lot of new cars. I'd say about 60% of the cars are no more than 4 years old. Oh, and the infrastructure hasn't caught up with the number of cars.
I know some of the Land Rover guys here are selling other brands (I skipped 6,000 posts a while back).
I'm not a LR salesperson. I'm not even a salesperson, but I didn't skip the past 6000 posts :P
lrguy said not too long ago that the 2009's had incentives, but 2010's were going for MSRP. The people who spend that amount of money on a car don't really care about the price of gas.
I guess Nissan copied VW when naming their cars. But a Touareg is a serious off roader unlike the Qashqai :-)
There are deals to be had on 2009 retired service loaners. You might even find a new one out there, even though we have not had one for months. Since there are more buyers than iron the 2010s are still going for MSRP here. Not sure where you live. The market may be different there. There are special finance rates on the 10s. The special rates on the 9s may work, but the car will cost more as dealer cash is lost.
I would want a 2010 as it's a LR4 now with updates in the interior and exterior. I'm a cash buyer so no financing for me (stopped that 20 yrs ago).
So, does that mean my '06 would have good value? The only thing that is important is the 'difference', right? :surprise:
Mark
Any further questions might be better asked on the LR4 Forum
You are write, the name refers to people in Iran from Turkic descent. That is a strange way to get a car name. At least they didn't call it a Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Or as Jay Leno calls him Mahmoud - I-am-a-nut-job!
I don't think they should use the Quashqai name over here.
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I tried an LR3 and really liked it - but bought something else.
Did you have any mechanical problems, and is that of any concern to you. Maybe not, since you trade before the warranty is over.
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So did I. I imagine it depends on how fast they were going when he hit the brakes. Takes a lot to stop a SUV going 100.
Once at our school a new bus driver forgot to disengage her air brakes before taking off. She moved the bus quite a distance before realizing that fire coming out of the wheels was not normal. Still, she moved it. I thought that was impossible. :confuse:
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I knew I shouldn't ask my wife car questions.
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Now, my 2002 Mercedes ML500 was a different story. Seems like it always needed to go in for something (kept it for 4 yrs. while under warranty).
One thing that amazes me about the Land Rover. I have NO paint chips on the front like I've had with most all of my Mercedes. NONE. Is it a fluek?, I don't know.
I won't be ready to trade until late November early December if I do anything. If the deal doesn't sound good, I'll put another set of tires on the '06 and drive it another year. I keep this vehicle in California and trade in TN (much cheaper) since I live in both places.
Mark
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I think it could be an SUV thing. They are a little higher and if they have a fair amount of grill in the right place, that might affect the number of stone chips..Might have to do with the air flow too...not going up and over so easily.
I agree, I don't think dependability charts mean a whole lot in choosing a car. Most are reasonably good, so my preference would be how much I like driving the car, followed by a mixture of looks and safety. I liked the ergonomics of the LR3 the most, and I prefer the square lines, but I liked the handling of the X3. However, I prefer the looks of the LR3 and I like the fact there aren't too many around.
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Congratulations once again, glad it is all working out so well.
If nothing else, at least we have cute babies on this site.
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Boy, you and rover both with boys. I never did figure out that one and have four girls.
Heck, even the adopted one is a girl!
I see he's got the little VW Beetle on his shirt already. Gonna follow in his pappy's footsteps I bet.
It was neither the dealers nor Toyota's fault. the fault lies with the driver and the driver alone. A dealer should not have to go over every little detail else a dealer could be at fault if they didn't tell someone not to drive off a cliff and they did. Personal responsibility should be applied here. The driver could have and should have stopped that car. The driver should have had the common sense to know dangers of anything, floormats included, being under the gas and break pedals. The blame does not rest with the dealer.
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They should, it would take longer to stop and would require more pressure but it still should stop a car.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You are right, but although I liked the LR2 even better, it seemed to be smaller inside, and I needed the room (it was a difficult choice, actually between LR3, LR2 and X3). But, I still like Rovers, but my needs have changed, so I'll stick with my convertible for now.
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I have no idea if applying the brakes could stop a car going 120 mph, but I have a hard time picturing that working!
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A guy I know on another forum posted this video after I put up pictures of my kid. I thought it was cute and funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8akSWz2xc
If you take your foot off the gas the car goes back to idle.
I disagree. You realize that this was a loaner car, not the person's car, right? To me, that makes the dealer liable, because the dealer put a floor mat on top of another, and a bad one at that . Maybe you could say that the person should have checked the loaner car first, but I think that's a stretch.
I completely agree with you about Toyota not being at fault, contrary to what a lot of people want to believe. They seem to think that the car should be designed to accomodate people who choose to not use the hooks and/or put a mat on top of another mat.
To keep on topic, what do you salespeople think - is this the dealer's fault or the driver?
I made mention a little bit ago about going through the buying process with a friend nailing down a new Altima. Her best friend asked me to help. Why females are so afraid to walk into a dealership, is a post for another time. Suffice to say, this particular one views walking into a dealership with all anticipation of a root canal.
Anyway, the last (current) car she acquired was a lease that she entered into while married to her "ex". It's a very nice '07 Hyundai Sonata. Never gave her a bit of trouble. And, she kept up the maintenance to the letter. Truth be told, looking at this car, someone would be hard pressed to tell it from new. It's pristine and needs absolutely nothing. I couldn't even find a paint chip on it. It has ~30,000 miles on it....which is 6,000 under her lease contract stipulation. She went so far as to put rubber floor mats on top of the standard carpeted floor mats to keep them clean. In short, this is a true "cream puff" of a used car.
Well, the lease was up on 9/30.....which is the same day she said she wanted to buy something new. Well, that gave us all of about 3 hours to turn it in and find something else. She had been talking to me for a couple of weeks about getting another car, but waited until the actual day the lease was up to make a serious effort at it. I know those in the "biz" probably relish this scenario because that puts the buyer at a disadvantage of being in a hurry to buy something.
First things first....I asked her if she liked her current Sonata. She did! Would she like to keep it? She would! OK, this may be easier than I thought. I suggested to her to just buy the car, once we could take a look at what the buyout price was.
Well, not joy in taking a look at the buyout price, as it was about $1,200 more than the car was really worth.
"Let's see if there's some room to negotiate the buyout price".
We walk into the Hyundai dealership, which wasn't very busy. We are immediately approached by a sales person. We state that we're there for a lease turn in. At which time, he becomes much more interested in whether we are looking at purchasing something new.
"Maybe, but we want to see if we can buy this lease car".
His interest in us immediately wanes and he dumps us off at the F&I office. We state our intent. The F&I person (as well as what I surmised to be the used car SM) goes out to the Sonata. They give it a thorough inspection, and then take it for a spin. They come back with the proclamation....."nice car, everything is good."
As we discuss the options with the F&I person, I mention that she's seriously thinking about buying the Sonata, but not at the price they want on the lease agreement.
"Can't help you there. We can't negotiate the buy out price".
"Well, let me ask you this.....if it's priced about $1,200 more than it's worth, do you think someone else will over pay for it?"
"Really, that's not my concern. All we'll do is to tell Hyundai finance that this car has been turned in and the lease agreement is now fulfilled."
"What will you do with the car after that?"
"We may buy it from Hyundai finance and put it on our used lot."
"Will you buy it at the purchase option price on the lease?"
He wouldn't say. That's OK....none of my business. But, I think I already know the answer to that question.
So, the original sales person who greeted us kept milling around outside the F&I office and undoubtedly heard our conversation.
As our friend paid the disposition fee and handed over the keys, we exited the F&I office, and immediately were confronted by the sales person.
"What are you going to do now?"
My friend, almost despondently responded with, "I don't know."
"How about leasing a new Hyundai?"
She looked at him, and then looked at me. looking for the answer.
"I don't know what you want to do, but I doubt I can do the kind of research I usually do to buy a car. It would be a guessing game on my part right now on how to come up with a good price on any car."
The sales person escorted her by the elbow to the new Sonata they had sitting on the showroom (personally, I don't like to be led anywhere by the arm, but she followed without hesitation).
There really isn't any difference between the Sonata she had just turned in, and the new one sitting on the showroom.
The sales person when into his pitch until I politely derailed him by saying...
"She drove one for 3 years, She knows all about the car".
Again, she had no idea of what to do. The sales person kicked into another gear at this point.
"I can have you in this new Sonata (pointing to the one on the showroom) and on your way home in no time. Why don't I draw up an agreement on it?"
"Hold on.....let's not get hasty. We don't even know if she wants a new Sonata, let alone what the pricing will be."
She looks at me again...."how am I going to get back and forth to work? What am I going to drive now?"
Salesman pounces on these questions with his own..."yeah, what are you going to drive?"
At this point, I ask her to step outside with me. As we're huddling outside the front door of the dealership, the sales person follows us.
I politely ask him if we could have a private conversation. Unhappily, he moves to the side of us by maybe 10'. I go to my car, and motion for her to get in. She does.
Now, he's looking right at us through the front windshield of my car.
"Don't worry about him. Making a hasty decision on a car purchase is rarely a good idea. Let's figure out what it is you really want. Take some time. Do some research and then start to focus on getting something you'll be happy with."
"What about getting around? What am I going to do?"
"Isn't there bus service that can take you to work?"
"Well, yeah.....but it's the bus."
"Worse comes to worse, you can rent a car for a couple of days for $30/day. That beats making a $1,000, or more, mistake. I don't know what new Sonatas are selling for. And, I don't even know if there are incentives, rebates, etc. I just don't have enough information to help you."
She concurs.
I start up my car. The salesman bolts to my window......"Where are you going?"
"Well, don't know that it's any of your business, but we're leaving." Something about him just irritated me as he was following us around like flies on fly paper.
"It's the end of the month. You'll get a good deal from me. I can make a deal that will have her in any new car tonight."
"Thanks, but we have to go. We're covered for right now."
Even as I'm in gear, he's following me, trying to stick his card in my open window.
TO BE CONTINUED......
Just like the Ford Explorer/Firestone deal of a few years ago. Ford blamed Firestone and Firesone blamed Ford which ended a relationship that went back to the Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone beginning.
Eatly Ford Explorers are squirrley as heck at higher speeds. We have one in our family as an extra car and I won't take it over 60 MPH. It is downright scary at 70.
So, people underinflated their Firestone tires, overloaded their Explorers with people and luggage and drove them 80 MPH in 100 degree weather.
I guess we will never know what really happened.
Hyundais are not attractive cars to lease because they (still) have lousy resale value. Poor resale = low residual value. Low residuals = high payments.
So, Huyndai in an attempt to move some cars took a deep breath and set that residual too high figuring they would worry about it in three years. Maybe they were thinking people would become more confident in the product and resales wouldn't improve.
Hyundai isnt't the only car company who has done this.
So, now,, if she turns it in Hyundai will probably eat a couple of grand or more.
Of course, the residuals can't be negiotable! Can you imagine the mess that would cause as everyone tried to do this?
She should just walk away and lease something that has a good money factor and high resale value.
No hints here.
It also depends what "luxury" really means. There are probably not many Bentleys or Roll-Royce's out there, but the average age, size and configuration of a vehicle sold in Poland has improved dramatically over those years. Still tons of Fiats Cinquecento (translates in "five hundred"), Seicento ("seven hundred"), Uno (single) or Punto ("point") and so on. Names say it all...
BTW "five hundred" was for 500cc, which was engine size of the original 1960s smallest Fiat.
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In November alone, Skoda's Fabia led the sales table with 1,309 units, followed by the Octavia (1,115), Fiat Panda (837), Ford Focus (782), Toyota Yaris (687), Volkswagen Passat and Kia cee’d (675 each), Volkswagen Polo (623), along with Opel's Astra (618) and Corsa (608).
Elsewhere in the Top-25 list, the spotlight was on the No.18 Skoda Roomster (373), breaking the 300-unit barrier for the first time ever and soaring 186.9%. Among other strong performers, the No.13 SEAT Leon sold 465 units (+239.4%), while the No.20 Hyundai Getz found 324 homes across the country, breaking the 300-unit mark for the first time.
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I think you handled it really well, but I think it would have been worthwhile just to see how much the lease would be on a new Sonata. It might not be much more than the trade in, and it would mean a new warranty and carefree driving for the life of the next lease. With current prices and incentives she might get into a new car and pay about the same.
The other thing to consider is to buy, because of the problems we covered here awhile ago....especially about getting out of a lease if you want to.
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But, for the cost of yet another Saturday, I hope to have the second part of the equation resolved and have a story to share afterwards. Current plan is to head over to the next state tomorrow and show our XC90 to a dealer there who may like to purchase it.
Then its a matter of finding and purchasing a replacement.
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I guess it depends on the leasing company. The company that had one of my cars (I believe it was Hann Financial) was more than willing to negotiate the residual at lease end. This was a few years back, so it could have changed.
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I personally never will buy the same car a 2nd time. Too many shiny new toys out there to just do a repeat, especially if it wasn't redesigned at least.
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Our dear friend and long time poster on this site, Mack, passed away on Monday, September 28th. His name was Victor M. Monterroza and he lived in Virginia Beach, Virginia. He was a colorful, witty, knowledgeable, and kind person. We all loved and respected this great person.
I talked with his wife, Sulli, this week. There is a cremation service planned for tomorrow, October 3rd. Victor made all of the plans himself which was true to his nature. You may find his obituary by going to The Virginia Pilot newspaper.
You may send condolences to the following address:
Mrs. Victor M. Monterroza & Family
1869 Clovis Court
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23454
Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.
Richard
My condolences to Sulli and I will get something in the mail to them for sure.
Here is a link to where you can also post online condolences.
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=9835608887912
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Dang! All these women hanging on your every word.
Who are you, Hugh Heffner? :surprise:
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I'm sure that his family has no idea how many online friends he had... I signed the guestbook at Legacy.com to let them know.
RIP, Mack.