The 3.6 DOHC V6 on the G6 has peak torque of 251 lb-ft at 3200 RPM's. The 3.9 has peak torque of 240 lb-ft at 4600 RPMs. It should be noted that the 3.9's torque curve has a double peak, so the low end torque is still good. However, the 3.6's lowend torque is just as good. GM does not have the 2007 curves on its media site as yet, although one can get to the prelim charts if one knows the way.
Step-Daughter has a 98 SL1 with 12xk on the clock. All we have done is put tires, brakes and a serpentine belt on the car in 60k+ miles. She is wanting a new car and needless to say, I'm pushing the Ion.
In the right color, they are not awful looking. Interior is not up to par, but like you said at that price range, you can't expect a Lexus interior.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
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I tell you what, my '94 SL2 wasn't the greatest car ever produced in the world, but I would take it IN A HEARTBEAT over an '06 Ion. Hard, tacky, ragged-edged plastic everywhere in the cabin, a rasp from the engine that will send shivers down your spine, a clunky junker of a manual shifter, and sloppier handling than my '94 are just the start of my list of complaints on the Ion. And oh yeah, my '94 with only about 10 less horses than the '06 Ion was WAY more fuel efficient than the current car. I am amazed, absolutely SHOCKED, that Ion sales are up, but I wonder if this is just because rental fleets lost the Neon and needed a new bargain special to fill up the compact ranks...
I understand that rumors are back and forth as to whether GM will rebadge the new Astra (Corsa? I get them confused) as the Ion replacement, or go a different route, but I am all for just rebadging the new Opel and bringing it here as close to its original form as possible. Like it appears they did with the Aura, although I have not driven the Opel Vectra.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
GM's manumatics can be used as simple automatics, or one can shift to the manual mode for bumping the gears up or down. I do use engine braking on hills. I don't have a manumatic though.
I understand that rumors are back and forth as to whether GM will rebadge the new Astra (Corsa? I get them confused) as the Ion replacement, or go a different route, but I am all for just rebadging the new Opel and bringing it here as close to its original form as possible. Like it appears they did with the Aura, although I have not driven the Opel Vectra.
GM has confirmed the ION replacement will be the Astra. Whether it will be called the Astra remains in the air.
The Astra is a larger car than the Corsa. Astra is more Corolla sized. Corsa more Yaris sized (although I do not believe there is a Corsa sedan. Hatch only.)
The Aura looks pretty close to the Vectra. Especially with the base interior. The optional plood and leather interior is not something I have ever seen in a Vectra. I have not seen a huge amount of Vectras. So you never know.
An old friend of mine had a 93 that she had up until 2001. Didn't have any major issues that I recall. My major beef with Saturns is the flimsy feeling I get from their cars. Sounds like that impression will be put to rest with these new offerings.
The Ion has to be one of the most pitiful things in production today. Those first Saturns weren't bad - I've always kinda liked the wagons. But the Ion...ugly and cheap (ly made) is not a good combination.
The 2007 Nissan Altima mileage numbers are posted on their website- and the 170HP 4 cylinder with CVT automatic is rated at 26mph city on regular fuel. Any wonder that fuel price conscious people are abandoning GM products? With a Chevy Cobalt getting 24mph city? I think that any car getting 17mpg city driving these days is ludicrous unless you really "need" high performance or pull trailers. And please don't tell me the GM line of how well they do on the highway- not applicable for 98% of my driving.
Given your inability to follow my points, I wonder perhaps if it cuts to close to what you do.
I'll clue you in. I was being tongue-in-cheek. Not suggesting those were your opinions. I even said I like cladding!
No offense taken, however. I think it's ridiculous that a company with the resources of GM can screw up something as important as the quality of their website.
I just now looked at the Pontiac website for the 2007 G6 and the fuel consumption numbers posted for each engine seem to match up with the EPA ratings. However, for the 3.9 they have only posted the six speed manual transmission rating...
I think that all this started from someone posting something about the window sticker on a G6....
I'll clue you in. I was being tongue-in-cheek. Not suggesting those were your opinions. I even said I like cladding!
My apologies for missing that.
I think it's ridiculous that a company with the resources of GM can screw up something as important as the quality of their website.
Well, I have found errors in other car company, as well as many other product sites as well. For instance, the international Mini site appears not to show all the available colors; as of earlier today, if you go to configure a Jeep Wrangler, it builds an '06 rather than an '07, even though '06 production stopped a month ago. I had similar issues with Toyota when the new Tacoma came out.
I've had issues with a lot of high end products as well. Thus my point it always makes sense to call the company when you see an error.
In my experience, the best websites are for high tech products where the manufacturers are also techies. But even there, you find a lot of errors on Dell. Apple manages to mess up from time to time as well. I really think the problem is that techies just don't listen to marketing and product people. They never have and probably never will.
Again, GM's marketing people have to take a hit for not watching their techies.
GM's buypower does not give you an actual picture of the window sticker, but only shows you an actual car at the dealership and the options on that car. There is no EPA MPG rating.
What is not clear to me is: 1) is this the whole window sticker? or are there some more parts??? 2) perhaps this is really a G6 with the 3.9 engine??? - listed on a second page of options???
Nevermind - I have located the actual car on buypower and can confirm that it is a basic G6 with I4 engine - no options - unless you count the floor mats ($80). White with toupe interior.
The curious thing is that the 2006 G6 did not have an engine with a 17/25 rating and this year's G6 3.9 is 17/24... However, last years GTO did have a 17/25 rating with the manual transmission...
I agree, the Ion never appealed to me. I'm *STILL* driving a 1995 Auto SL2. Honest to gosh, in all those years we have only had to replace the O2 sensor when it went bad - but that didn't even leave us stranded.
Since the car is worth nothing at this point on trade and very litte on private sale I just keep driving it as my commuter to work (30 miles round trip).
On top of that I have not changed the oil, nor the oil filter in ...... approx. 28,000 miles. Yes, 28,000 ! BUT I will say it is using oil (never drips) at the rate of 1 qt per 750 miles or so. So I figure I'm always changing the oil now, so no need for a full change. The filter? We'll it's still the FRAM I replaced it with last time I changed it. I always keep on top of my oil changes, but with this old of a car and worth nothing, I'm not bothering. When it dies we'll replace it.
Oh yeah we bought this car used as well. It had 30k on it at the time.
It still gives the wrong epa amount. But otherwise, the website seems fine.
The build and equip is easy to use. Finding the car on the lot works pretty well. Better than similar functions on other sites.
As I said above, you cannot get all the colors for the new Mini on the Mini international site. Jeep has you building the wrong year Wrangler. I am sure if I had time to look at Toyota, Honda or whichever, there will be mistakes as well.
OK, I see how you got there. I use buypower to find cars, which does not generate the window sticker. My question now is: does the actual window sticker on the real car, not the computer simulation, have the same MPG numbers???
As far as Honda goes, there's no point building anything. You just pick a trim - that's all. Honda doesn't offer the flexibility of building, but it also keeps thing simple in the sense that you see in the dealer lots exactly what you see on the internet. I wish GM does this with some of its brands while leaving the others flexible - it may work well with Saturn since Saturn's pricing is also simple (everything is sold at MSRP).
I looked it up, and the European Astra has a 108" wheelbase? Did I get that right? If so, that must be a pretty big car for slotting in the line as the compact model, even if the Aura above it has the enormous (to me) length and wheelbase of the G6.
I have not yet seen (and would be very curious to see) an Aura XR without the leather interior. I would want to check it out if I were seriously interested in buying that model. I like smaller cars for owning, of course. But I was most encouraged to hear the salesman that they have a 14-day lead time on customer orders, so you can basically order their cars in any combination of available packages and stand-alone options, and interior and exterior colors. Totally unlike the "here, take what we've got and be happy with it" approach that Toyota and Honda take, which is one of the things that turned me on to Saturn in the first place years ago. I'm glad to hear that is still intact. If I got an Aura, it would be the XR with only the moonroof for options, which would come out to a hair under $26K for price.
Next thing they need to do, of course, is a massive update on the Vue, which with their resurgence in product will stick out like a sore thumb, and which is in probably the most profitable market segment (medium-size crossovers) after full-size pick-ups.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I have now checked out this route into finding vehicles at Cadillac, Chevy and Buick. Cadillac does not generate the same type of "window sticker", nor does Chevy. However, Buick does and the posted MPG ratings are 17/25 for a V6 Lucerne as well as the LaCrosse; both do much better than that.
I suspect that the "window sticker" is using a generic MPG picture as filler on the window sticker.
If you are looking for cars on the internet, one assumes that you have looked through the basic website where the generic information on models, trims and options is listed, hopefully mostly correct. Once you start searching for vehicles on the dealers lot, you should be more interested in the options. You should already know the EPA ratings of the various drivetrains (either from looking at the EPA site or the basic website for the model).
As we (I use we not in the royal sense but because many others have as well) have said dozens of times here, manufacturers do not sell cars to consumers, dealers do.
The idea of the build function is to allow the consumer to find out how how a car may be equipped and about how much a car so equipped would cost.
In fact, I believe ToyHon do have a lot of options with many of their vehicles. They also have fewer dealers - meaning less competition - who tend to take the attitude the consumer must buy what they have on the lot rather than order what they want.
I personally find the attitude arrogant and do not put up with it. Before I am going to pay 25k for something, I get exactly what I want. Heck, I am having a touring bicycle custom made for me for much less than that. The bicycle builder and I have exchanged dozens of e-mails, and several phone calls.
Consumers can accept what the dealer shovels at them, or consumers can demand what they want. I'll do the latter or not open my wallet.
I think GM's BuyPower locates vehicles just as well and does a more consistant listing of the standard and optional equipment for dealer inventory. It does not attempt to fake a window sticker, which is what the other route into the dealer inventory is doing.
If you want to haggle over the price tag, then you will probably have to chose something in stock. However, with GM's buypower, you can hunt around for a dealer with something that is what you want. If you order what you want, then probably you will have to pay list price for it, unless you know the dealer well enough that he will bargin with you. Some dealers are better than others, but if they have a lot full of unsold cars that are nearly what you want, they will not want to order something special. My old Buick dealer once ordered a Buick like a customer wanted, but by the time the car arrived, the customer had bought a Chrysler instead.
If I recall, the Astra is about the size of a Golf 4 door or Jetta.
I've seen one Aura with the base interior. Seems most have the leather and plood right now. I imagine most out there are the loaded models the dealers buy for the early buyers.
The next gen VUE should be out late next year. It will be smaller than the current VUE, as Saturn has the Outlook for people needing a lot of space. I've read in a few places that the next VUE may be on display at the LA Auto Show. Just around the corner if true.
If you want to haggle over the price tag, then you will probably have to chose something in stock.
Very true. You limit your negotiation power if you order special.
Once a dealer lied to me about availability of what I wanted in an effort to move something off the lot. After verifying the lie, I of course did not go back.
On the other hand, I fully believe a person who special orders a car should be required to pay a significant non refundable down payment.
"In fact, I believe ToyHon do have a lot of options with many of their vehicles. They also have fewer dealers - meaning less competition..."
I agree. In fact, some ToyHon dealers are very rude. I bought my CR-V $400 below invoice (thanks to $750 manufacturer to dealer incentive) from one Honda dealer. The other dealer wanted $850 more and even refused to negotiate.
GM dealers are slightly better as far as behavior goes. But they often have the wrong products sitting in their lot. When I was shopping for CR-V (2-3 months back), I also checked Chevy dealerships in this Rochester-NY area (just because I was trading in a Blazer and I had $2500 loyalty certificates that GM sent me to compensate for the quality problems with the Blazer). None of them had more than 2 HHRs in stock - a car that I seriously considered and I didn't want to order a 2007. Then, I checked Malibu - most Malibus they had didn't have ABS - in Rochester-NY area the savings on insurance due to ABS pays for the cost of ABS and there's no point looking at cars without ABS. Then, all Equinoxes were AWD or FWD without traction control - but I just wanted a FWD with traction control since I wanted better MPG of FWD and the benefits of traction control on less than perfect condition in winter. I thought ABS and traction control were standard on Equinox FWD - but the salesman couldn't confirm. Somehow the dealers aren't doing the homework or GM isn't helping them. At least, GM can send them less Malibus and more HHRs.
I think the Aura's pretty attractive, but in many ways it just looks too much like an '01-06 Sebring or Stratus sedan to me. Just with G6 taillights and a grille that's a bit overstyled. I'd consider it reasonably attractive, but not groundbreaking.
As for the Skyy, I think the grille is again kind of overdone, like it really belongs on a 1958 Ford or something. But somehow it does work on the car. I like it better than the Solstice.
As for the Outlook, it seems pretty attractive from the side IMO, although up front I don't really care for the look with the headlights being mounted so high and that thick band of silver at the top of the grille. The logo in the center makes it look a bit bucktoothed.
Still, I'd say any of these cars are miles ahead of the stuff they've been peddling lately.
The '06 Solstice was sold out, and we have 14,500 orders for the ‘07," said Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson. "More than half our total build for 2007 [about 20,000] is already committed, and we're real close to the '07s being sold out. By early next year they likely will be."
Forget about substituting an ‘07 Saturn Sky. It's sold out through the calendar year. Order a Sky today, and you may have to wait until next spring to get one, according to Jill Lajdziak, Saturn general manager.
With high-performance turbocharged '07 Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line roadsters earmarked for about 40 percent of production, it looks like some who wanted an '06 will have to make do with an '08.
The Buick dealer in question knew the customer who ordered the Buick and expected him to follow through with the order, so he did not require a deposit. When I ordered my 95 Riviera, I did not have to put down a deposit either, and we did have an understanding that if I decided to go for an Aurora, that would be OK. My dealer would have been happy to get the 95 Riviera for inventory without waiting. When the Olds dealer was unable to say whether or when they might get an Aurora, and never offered me any brochure, I gave up on the Aurora.
Our local dealership has two. One is a used Solstice, with a grossly misaligned fender panel, or perhaps it is the door. Why pay top dollar for a car without proper fit and finish, no roll bar, no trunk space, and a harder to use convertible top? Guess they are finding people that want such a car. Anyone know where the front license plate will go? Just in case your town has law enforcement looking for plate-less cars. -Loren
One is a used Solstice, with a grossly misaligned fender panel, or perhaps it is the door. Why pay top dollar for a car without proper fit and finish
Fit and finish refers to manufacturing standards. When something is used and has a problem, 9 times out of 10 the problem is the result of former owner error.
no trunk space, and a harder to use convertible top
Because the car looks so much better when you cannot see the top. If storage is a problem, an aftermarket company named after the platform the Solstice comes on is now selling an excellent looking made in US removable trunk rack.
Anyone know where the front license plate will go? Just in case your town has law enforcement looking for plate-less cars.
In the middle of the front. An eyesore. Just like the one in the middle of the front of the Miata and S2000 are eye sores.
GM Inside News (about as reliable as Motor Trend for forecasting) says that there may be a CTS wagon on the 2008 sigma II platform. There may also be a Theta II Buick and Cadillac.
Fit and finish refers to manufacturing standards. When something is used and has a problem, 9 times out of 10 the problem is the result of former owner error.
I always used "fit and finish" as kind of a catch-all phrase to that encompasses paint quality (evenness, orange peel, etc), body panel gaps (evenness, tightness, etc) and interior quality (how nice the materials feel, how well they line up, etc), and also I guess I'd throw squeaks and rattles into this catch-all. Or if something breaks off prematurely simply because it's a cheap part or poorly connected.
I seriously doubt that the previous owner of the Solstice in question placed the car in his garage one day, and got out the tools and re-adjusted the fender or doors on his car. Well, unless the person wrecked the car. I would say it looked more typical of haphazard alignment at the factory.
As for the top assembly folding to look better,the new Miata uses the same method as some other soft tops, in that the top becomes the final cover after the last fold. No cover is needed. It is now spring loaded and can be easily raised and lowered. You can also add a rack to carry stuff with a Miata, though there is already some trunk space available.
Noticed the door window sills seemed a bit high on the Solstice. I imagine the same may be true on the New Miata - not sure it is to the same degree or not. There seems to be little escape from this horrible trend.
Looks wise, to date, I am thinking the BMW Z3 may be the best looking, with the new SLK being a solid contender for looks, followed by Solstice, Miata and S2000, which would be the performance king on the track, I would imagine. The Solstice Coupe Concept car is pretty fine looking. -Loren
I personally think that many members of this audience are not giving Saturn a proper chance. My mother owns a '94 SL1. What a crappy car!! It's crude, noisy, slow, ill handling, and funky looking. That said, it has also been rock solid reliable, economical, and trouble free. Every issue she has ever had was taken care of promptly. For example, the rotors warped shortly after the warranty expired. Saturn of Olathe replaced the pads, shoes, drums & rotors at no cost to her. People like my mother were the target audience, I think. She only cared that twisting the key would start the engine, and moving the gearshift to "reverse" or "drive" would enable the vehicle to move in the direction she required. I recently purchased an '07 ION 3 2.4 Quad coupe. The overall quality, fit & finish, driveability, handeling, looks, interior, etc. are light years ahead of the SL1. Maybe when compared to some of the Hondas, Toyotas, or whatever, it doesn't measure up, but I am very happy so far. Personaly, I think that anyone looking for an entry level econobox is doing themselves a disservice by overlooking the ION. Lotsa bang for the buck, and you don't see your twin at every stoplight. Just my two cents. Lotsa fine small cars out there.
I seriously doubt that the previous owner of the Solstice in question placed the car in his garage one day, and got out the tools and re-adjusted the fender or doors on his car. Well, unless the person wrecked the car. I would say it looked more typical of haphazard alignment at the factory.
Yeah right. A car that has been universally praised for its looks and build quality has factory problems aas proved by one being sold new. The dude selling it probably wrecked it.
the new Miata uses the same method as some other soft tops, in that the top becomes the final cover after the last fold. No cover is needed. It is now spring loaded and can be easily raised and lowered.
My problem with the new Miata is the same with the old Miata: when the top is down you can still see the top. Cover or no, you can still see it. I don't like the look. I like not seeing the top.
You can also add a rack to carry stuff with a Miata, though there is already some trunk space available.
I'm a person who enjoys bike touring. I really do not understand the mania so many of my fellow country men have in bringing all their stuff with them wherever they go. One of the things I enjoy about travelling is getting away from all my stuff and trying out new things. To each their own, I guess.
I am thinking the BMW Z3 may be the best looking, with the new SLK being a solid contender for looks, followed by Solstice, Miata and S2000,
Z3 and SLK cost a heck of lot more than the others mentioned. The Z3 especially in M form will smoke the Honda. The Sky looks better than all save the Benz. The Sky in Redline will give them all a run for the money.
What I can't understand about the Sky is how in the world anyone sighted at GM could have signed off on that soft top fit. It looks like it is tearing apart even when up. How can an entire group of people responsible for a car miss something so obvious?
I totally agree with you in regards to the soft top's appearance. Last week during my drive to work I passed a red Solstice and the poor design/fit of its soft top was glaringly obvious. However, the Sky and Solstice both look so good otherwise, I just about have to believe that I could get over the ill-fitting rag top. Both cars are really hot-looking to me except for their soft tops. But then again, I wouldn't purchase one to ride around with the top up unless I absolutely had to. I've got a couple of hardtop vehicles to drive on cold or bad weather days.
When I purchased my last Honda, the dealer said it would be no trouble to get the car from another dealer if this style, color and trim level wasn't on the lot.
Fortunately, it was, but in talking to friends who have bought Hondas, this is standard operating procedure, at least with Harrisburg Honda dealers.
As for fit-and-finish - I haven't seen a Sky at the local Saturn dealer yet, but I have examined several Auras. They are definitely a cut above their platform mates (Malibu, G6) in this regard. They even look better than the Cadillac CTS and SRX!
I don't think the Sky looks better than the Z4 or the Benz. But that's why they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
I would think the Sky looks better when inside than the Z4 (not sure about the Benz). The Z4 inside does nothing for me. The Sky is pretty cool looking, inside.
Stop making talk about roadsters. I'm getting ready to test drive a Camry hybrid, and I don't want to regret leaving the roadsters behind. :-)
As for the SKY, I think your criticisms somewhat misplaced. The '06 line up is sold out. Almost half the '07s are sold. The Redline is probably going to sell even quicker. You may not like it. That is fair. But the people buying do. Long and short, as a two time Roadster owner and long time Roadster fan, I really like the idea of being able to tuck the top under the trunk and can live with the short comings in luggage space and how it looks top up. Given Sky's sales, it seems enough of the market is with me to make it a good idea.
You totally misread me on the Sky. I like the car a lot, that being half of the reason I started this thread. The only thing I don't like (without having driven one) is that ill-fitting top. The sides of the top when it is up has wrinkles/folds in it that makes it look like it tearing away from it's metal skeleton. Other than that I really like the car and for a GM car that is high praise indeed.
But I can see how those two humps on the rear deck can add an element of complexity to the softtop design. In the pictures, it looks like it is pulled pretty tight.
I agree, the Ion never appealed to me. I'm *STILL* driving a 1995 Auto SL2.
Boy you've held out a long time, you deserve an Aura or Sky now! They've finally come up with some really decent cars and it only took 11 years after you got yours...lol!
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3.9 V6 - 17/24 manumatic
It would be interesting to see what percentage of 3.9 buyers go with the manual vs. the manumatic.
Personally, I have never encountered a manumatic I like.
But here are the 2006 charts:
3.9: http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2006/HPT%20Library/HVV6/20- - - 06_39L_LZ9_G6_2DrNB.pdf
3.5: http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2006/HPT%20Library/HVV6/20- - - 06_3500_LZE_Impala.pdf
while this is the impala engine, the 2007 G6 uses this engine
3.6: http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2006/HPT%20Library/HFV6/20- - - 06_36L_LY7_CTS.pdf
this is the CTS engine, but the Aura/G6 3.6 has a similar torque curve.
In the right color, they are not awful looking. Interior is not up to par, but like you said at that price range, you can't expect a Lexus interior.
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
I understand that rumors are back and forth as to whether GM will rebadge the new Astra (Corsa? I get them confused) as the Ion replacement, or go a different route, but I am all for just rebadging the new Opel and bringing it here as close to its original form as possible. Like it appears they did with the Aura, although I have not driven the Opel Vectra.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
GM has confirmed the ION replacement will be the Astra. Whether it will be called the Astra remains in the air.
The Astra is a larger car than the Corsa. Astra is more Corolla sized. Corsa more Yaris sized (although I do not believe there is a Corsa sedan. Hatch only.)
The Aura looks pretty close to the Vectra. Especially with the base interior. The optional plood and leather interior is not something I have ever seen in a Vectra. I have not seen a huge amount of Vectras. So you never know.
I'll clue you in. I was being tongue-in-cheek. Not suggesting those were your opinions. I even said I like cladding!
No offense taken, however. I think it's ridiculous that a company with the resources of GM can screw up something as important as the quality of their website.
I think that all this started from someone posting something about the window sticker on a G6....
My apologies for missing that.
I think it's ridiculous that a company with the resources of GM can screw up something as important as the quality of their website.
Well, I have found errors in other car company, as well as many other product sites as well. For instance, the international Mini site appears not to show all the available colors; as of earlier today, if you go to configure a Jeep Wrangler, it builds an '06 rather than an '07, even though '06 production stopped a month ago. I had similar issues with Toyota when the new Tacoma came out.
I've had issues with a lot of high end products as well. Thus my point it always makes sense to call the company when you see an error.
In my experience, the best websites are for high tech products where the manufacturers are also techies. But even there, you find a lot of errors on Dell. Apple manages to mess up from time to time as well. I really think the problem is that techies just don't listen to marketing and product people. They never have and probably never will.
Again, GM's marketing people have to take a hit for not watching their techies.
I did not look today. But yesterday if you pulled an online sticker, no matter the configuration the mpgs were for the 3.9 with auto.
I think a techie was punching in data and did not catch an improper cut and paste.
In post #9851 a window sticker was reproduced for a 2007 G6 with the I4 engine. http://www.carspace.com/lahiri/Albums/windowG6/
What is not clear to me is:
1) is this the whole window sticker? or are there some more parts???
2) perhaps this is really a G6 with the 3.9 engine??? - listed on a second page of options???
Nevermind - I have located the actual car on buypower and can confirm that it is a basic G6 with I4 engine - no options - unless you count the floor mats ($80). White with toupe interior.
The curious thing is that the 2006 G6 did not have an engine with a 17/25 rating and this year's G6 3.9 is 17/24...
However, last years GTO did have a 17/25 rating with the manual transmission...
Since the car is worth nothing at this point on trade and very litte on private sale I just keep driving it as my commuter to work (30 miles round trip).
On top of that I have not changed the oil, nor the oil filter in ...... approx. 28,000 miles. Yes, 28,000 ! BUT I will say it is using oil (never drips) at the rate of 1 qt per 750 miles or so. So I figure I'm always changing the oil now, so no need for a full change. The filter? We'll it's still the FRAM I replaced it with last time I changed it. I always keep on top of my oil changes, but with this old of a car and worth nothing, I'm not bothering. When it dies we'll replace it.
Oh yeah we bought this car used as well. It had 30k on it at the time.
Link to Pontiac site
You will see that the Pontiac website is a mess.
It still gives the wrong epa amount. But otherwise, the website seems fine.
The build and equip is easy to use. Finding the car on the lot works pretty well. Better than similar functions on other sites.
As I said above, you cannot get all the colors for the new Mini on the Mini international site. Jeep has you building the wrong year Wrangler. I am sure if I had time to look at Toyota, Honda or whichever, there will be mistakes as well.
You seem mighty focused on this one error.
I have not yet seen (and would be very curious to see) an Aura XR without the leather interior. I would want to check it out if I were seriously interested in buying that model. I like smaller cars for owning, of course. But I was most encouraged to hear the salesman that they have a 14-day lead time on customer orders, so you can basically order their cars in any combination of available packages and stand-alone options, and interior and exterior colors. Totally unlike the "here, take what we've got and be happy with it" approach that Toyota and Honda take, which is one of the things that turned me on to Saturn in the first place years ago. I'm glad to hear that is still intact. If I got an Aura, it would be the XR with only the moonroof for options, which would come out to a hair under $26K for price.
Next thing they need to do, of course, is a massive update on the Vue, which with their resurgence in product will stick out like a sore thumb, and which is in probably the most profitable market segment (medium-size crossovers) after full-size pick-ups.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I suspect that the "window sticker" is using a generic MPG picture as filler on the window sticker.
If you are looking for cars on the internet, one assumes that you have looked through the basic website where the generic information on models, trims and options is listed, hopefully mostly correct. Once you start searching for vehicles on the dealers lot, you should be more interested in the options. You should already know the EPA ratings of the various drivetrains (either from looking at the EPA site or the basic website for the model).
The idea of the build function is to allow the consumer to find out how how a car may be equipped and about how much a car so equipped would cost.
In fact, I believe ToyHon do have a lot of options with many of their vehicles. They also have fewer dealers - meaning less competition - who tend to take the attitude the consumer must buy what they have on the lot rather than order what they want.
I personally find the attitude arrogant and do not put up with it. Before I am going to pay 25k for something, I get exactly what I want. Heck, I am having a touring bicycle custom made for me for much less than that. The bicycle builder and I have exchanged dozens of e-mails, and several phone calls.
Consumers can accept what the dealer shovels at them, or consumers can demand what they want. I'll do the latter or not open my wallet.
I've seen one Aura with the base interior. Seems most have the leather and plood right now. I imagine most out there are the loaded models the dealers buy for the early buyers.
The next gen VUE should be out late next year. It will be smaller than the current VUE, as Saturn has the Outlook for people needing a lot of space. I've read in a few places that the next VUE may be on display at the LA Auto Show. Just around the corner if true.
Very true. You limit your negotiation power if you order special.
Once a dealer lied to me about availability of what I wanted in an effort to move something off the lot. After verifying the lie, I of course did not go back.
On the other hand, I fully believe a person who special orders a car should be required to pay a significant non refundable down payment.
I understand there are plans to make the Holden vehicles meet all GM market standards. Or at least find better ways to export the designs.
As you point out, they are attractive and interesting cars.
I agree. In fact, some ToyHon dealers are very rude. I bought my CR-V $400 below invoice (thanks to $750 manufacturer to dealer incentive) from one Honda dealer. The other dealer wanted $850 more and even refused to negotiate.
GM dealers are slightly better as far as behavior goes. But they often have the wrong products sitting in their lot. When I was shopping for CR-V (2-3 months back), I also checked Chevy dealerships in this Rochester-NY area (just because I was trading in a Blazer and I had $2500 loyalty certificates that GM sent me to compensate for the quality problems with the Blazer). None of them had more than 2 HHRs in stock - a car that I seriously considered and I didn't want to order a 2007. Then, I checked Malibu - most Malibus they had didn't have ABS - in Rochester-NY area the savings on insurance due to ABS pays for the cost of ABS and there's no point looking at cars without ABS. Then, all Equinoxes were AWD or FWD without traction control - but I just wanted a FWD with traction control since I wanted better MPG of FWD and the benefits of traction control on less than perfect condition in winter. I thought ABS and traction control were standard on Equinox FWD - but the salesman couldn't confirm. Somehow the dealers aren't doing the homework or GM isn't helping them. At least, GM can send them less Malibus and more HHRs.
As for the Skyy, I think the grille is again kind of overdone, like it really belongs on a 1958 Ford or something. But somehow it does work on the car. I like it better than the Solstice.
As for the Outlook, it seems pretty attractive from the side IMO, although up front I don't really care for the look with the headlights being mounted so high and that thick band of silver at the top of the grille. The logo in the center makes it look a bit bucktoothed.
Still, I'd say any of these cars are miles ahead of the stuff they've been peddling lately.
Forget about substituting an ‘07 Saturn Sky. It's sold out through the calendar year. Order a Sky today, and you may have to wait until next spring to get one, according to Jill Lajdziak, Saturn general manager.
With high-performance turbocharged '07 Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line roadsters earmarked for about 40 percent of production, it looks like some who wanted an '06 will have to make do with an '08.
-Loren
Fit and finish refers to manufacturing standards. When something is used and has a problem, 9 times out of 10 the problem is the result of former owner error.
no trunk space, and a harder to use convertible top
Because the car looks so much better when you cannot see the top. If storage is a problem, an aftermarket company named after the platform the Solstice comes on is now selling an excellent looking made in US removable trunk rack.
Anyone know where the front license plate will go? Just in case your town has law enforcement looking for plate-less cars.
In the middle of the front. An eyesore. Just like the one in the middle of the front of the Miata and S2000 are eye sores.
I always used "fit and finish" as kind of a catch-all phrase to that encompasses paint quality (evenness, orange peel, etc), body panel gaps (evenness, tightness, etc) and interior quality (how nice the materials feel, how well they line up, etc), and also I guess I'd throw squeaks and rattles into this catch-all. Or if something breaks off prematurely simply because it's a cheap part or poorly connected.
As for the top assembly folding to look better,the new Miata uses the same method as some other soft tops, in that the top becomes the final cover after the last fold. No cover is needed. It is now spring loaded and can be easily raised and lowered. You can also add a rack to carry stuff with a Miata, though there is already some trunk space available.
Noticed the door window sills seemed a bit high on the Solstice. I imagine the same may be true on the New Miata - not sure it is to the same degree or not. There seems to be little escape from this horrible trend.
Looks wise, to date, I am thinking the BMW Z3 may be the best looking, with the new SLK being a solid contender for looks, followed by Solstice, Miata and S2000, which would be the performance king on the track, I would imagine. The Solstice Coupe Concept car is pretty fine looking.
-Loren
That said, it has also been rock solid reliable, economical, and trouble free. Every issue she has ever had was taken care of promptly. For example, the rotors warped shortly after the warranty expired. Saturn of Olathe replaced the pads, shoes, drums & rotors at no cost to her.
People like my mother were the target audience, I think. She only cared that twisting the key would start the engine, and moving the gearshift to "reverse" or "drive" would enable the vehicle to move in the direction she required.
I recently purchased an '07 ION 3 2.4 Quad coupe. The overall quality, fit & finish, driveability, handeling, looks, interior, etc. are light years ahead of the SL1.
Maybe when compared to some of the Hondas, Toyotas, or whatever, it doesn't measure up, but I am very happy so far.
Personaly, I think that anyone looking for an entry level econobox is doing themselves a disservice by overlooking the ION. Lotsa bang for the buck, and you don't see your twin at every stoplight.
Just my two cents. Lotsa fine small cars out there.
Yeah right. A car that has been universally praised for its looks and build quality has factory problems aas proved by one being sold new. The dude selling it probably wrecked it.
the new Miata uses the same method as some other soft tops, in that the top becomes the final cover after the last fold. No cover is needed. It is now spring loaded and can be easily raised and lowered.
My problem with the new Miata is the same with the old Miata: when the top is down you can still see the top. Cover or no, you can still see it. I don't like the look. I like not seeing the top.
You can also add a rack to carry stuff with a Miata, though there is already some trunk space available.
I'm a person who enjoys bike touring. I really do not understand the mania so many of my fellow country men have in bringing all their stuff with them wherever they go. One of the things I enjoy about travelling is getting away from all my stuff and trying out new things. To each their own, I guess.
I am thinking the BMW Z3 may be the best looking, with the new SLK being a solid contender for looks, followed by Solstice, Miata and S2000,
Z3 and SLK cost a heck of lot more than the others mentioned. The Z3 especially in M form will smoke the Honda. The Sky looks better than all save the Benz. The Sky in Redline will give them all a run for the money.
I totally agree with you in regards to the soft top's appearance. Last week during my drive to work I passed a red Solstice and the poor design/fit of its soft top was glaringly obvious. However, the Sky and Solstice both look so good otherwise, I just about have to believe that I could get over the ill-fitting rag top. Both cars are really hot-looking to me except for their soft tops. But then again, I wouldn't purchase one to ride around with the top up unless I absolutely had to. I've got a couple of hardtop vehicles to drive on cold or bad weather days.
Fortunately, it was, but in talking to friends who have bought Hondas, this is standard operating procedure, at least with Harrisburg Honda dealers.
As for fit-and-finish - I haven't seen a Sky at the local Saturn dealer yet, but I have examined several Auras. They are definitely a cut above their platform mates (Malibu, G6) in this regard. They even look better than the Cadillac CTS and SRX!
I would think the Sky looks better when inside than the Z4 (not sure about the Benz). The Z4 inside does nothing for me. The Sky is pretty cool looking, inside.
Stop making talk about roadsters. I'm getting ready to test drive a Camry hybrid, and I don't want to regret leaving the roadsters behind. :-)
You totally misread me on the Sky. I like the car a lot, that being half of the reason I started this thread. The only thing I don't like (without having driven one) is that ill-fitting top. The sides of the top when it is up has wrinkles/folds in it that makes it look like it tearing away from it's metal skeleton. Other than that I really like the car and for a GM car that is high praise indeed.
M
Trust me you have to see it in person.
M
Boy you've held out a long time, you deserve an Aura or Sky now! They've finally come up with some really decent cars and it only took 11 years after you got yours...lol!
M