I am not planning to buy a 2007, but if something should change I would probably consider an SRX. I would consider the SRX because it has a new and perhaps nicer interior, and the V8 has a 6 speed automatic. The extended powertrain warranty is nice. One of the local dealers recently advertized a 2004 model with less than 13,000 miles. I have not gone to look, although have thought about it. I would need to test drive it to see what the fuel consumption would be.
I am hoping that the next generation CTS gets a wagon as part of the line. A CTS wagon would be light enough that the V6 would be enough engine, and fuel consumption would not be much diffent than the sedan.
There is a difference between trading with similar economy's like ours, and ones like China that are not only 3rd world, but also tariff out exports. So that isn't "free" for our business here in the States.
Well, I'd like to keep my 2002 Seville STS for a couple more years, but if the car was totalled in an accident or stolen, I would seriously consider a Cadillac DTS or a loaded Buick Lucerne CXS. I would like to wait and see if there will be any RWD versions of these cars in the future or perhaps a Super LaCrosse at least.
I would like to see some "nice" wagons from GM. The new "crossover's" are a possibility too, but they are quite large. I would like to see a nice RWD wagon when the new RWD platform is in production.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
So sayeth the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. The immigration issue seems, to me, a little ironic and hypocritical. For a long time, we encouraged, even begged for immigrants to come here, to work our mines and mills and factories. Now that those tasks are accomplished, our attitude seems to have changed to "We got ours, screw you." We are ALL descendants of immigrants. And a lot of our forfathers (and mothers) came here across unguarded borders, largely through Canada. They were given a path to become citizens. I do agree that we need to keep terrorists from coming across our borders. But guess what; that's not how they come here. They come legally, on planes with passports and visas. Not one person who has committed terrorist acts on US soil has snuck across the border on foot.
I give up. You and rorr, are taking my views and spinning them way out of context. :sick:
This seems to be pretty one sided. You may want to reconsider what everyone has been saying. I know that if you grew up in that envirnment, it could become your world. Then again, Muslim terrorists came from their limited world and absolutely know that it is right to slit innocent peoples throats due to what they have been led to believe. But the freedom of thought and speech we have allows us to ferret things out for ourselves with open minded thought. I hope you aren't saying that others opinions are invalid and that "I'm right, and the rest of the world is wrong". But I know you're really not. ;-)
I surely hope you aren't going to tell me Lou Dobbs is unbiased. I can't believe that guy. Is he trying to take over for Al Frankin, whose show on Air America? has to be subsidised by some rich guy to pay AL's high salary because no one listens and they are next to belly up? Why is Al so greedy if he is so dedicated to the cause? At least Al is humorous. Maybe Lou is trying to get a piece of the pie that O'rielly has so much success with. Apparently Bill hit the right button for a whole lot of folks tired of getting their noses rubbed in the status quo. Like Bill or not, he has a huge following.
"So sayeth the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty."
Nice.
And I believe that the vast majority of those coming into NY and being processed through Ellis Island did so.....legally. And processes are in place for foreigners to immigrate into this country today and become American citizens.....legally. And those that go through this process do so because they want to become AMERICANS and understand that doing so carries certain responsibilities.
And I have no problems with individuals and families willing to go through that process. In fact, those that go through that process often have a much deeper appreciation for this country, it's opportunities, and our history than natural citizens BORN here (myself included).
The problem I have is with those ILLEGALS who have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the U.S. as a U.S. citizen.
"Not one person who has committed terrorist acts on US soil has snuck across the border on foot."
Excellent point. And not one person has ever snuck a nuke into our ports aboard a ship. And prior to 9/11, no hijackers had intentionally flown planes into buildings. I guess then that it only makes sense to institute security measures AFTER an event?
I guess rocky can quit his job at Pantex then.....
I surely hope you aren't going to tell me Lou Dobbs is unbiased.
Very unbiased and said yesterday he is a registered independent. He slammed both party's for not sticking up for working class folks, and all the out-sourcing allowed by both party's. Get to know him, before you knock him.
Maybe Lou is trying to get a piece of the pie that O'rielly has so much success with. Apparently Bill hit the right button for a whole lot of folks tired of getting their noses rubbed in the status quo. Like Bill or not, he has a huge following.
O'Reilly, is nothing more than a better looking Rush Limbaugh. Funny how soon people brush under the rug his sex scandel from a few years ago. I disagree with Michael Savage, on alot of things but he at least can think for himself and doesn't walk lock-step with Bush, like Rush and O'Reilly.
However I will say O'Reilly, is much better than the Sean Hannity. I was surprised GM, used Hannity's slogan your a "Great American" in it's talk-radio ads. :surprise:
So sayeth the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty."
Nice.
And I believe that the vast majority of those coming into NY and being processed through Ellis Island did so.....legally. And processes are in place for foreigners to immigrate into this country today and become American citizens.....legally.
Today, the quota for immigration is limited to 140,000 "employment-based" (those that already have job offers here, or have "extraordinary ability" in the arts, sciences, business, education or athletics. For those wanting to come here to try to FIND work, and build a better life for themselves and their families, there is a lottery of just 55,000 green cards. The the vast majority of immigrants coming through Ellis Island had NO QUOTAS. They weren't instituted until 1924. They were ALL welcomed with open arms.
And those that go through this process do so because they want to become AMERICANS and understand that doing so carries certain responsibilities.
The vast majority coming across the borders are just people looking for a better life for themselves and their families, and would love to become US citizens, but our immigration quotas make that virtually impossible.
I found a very interesting read on this subject in - of all places - Capitalism Magazine. Give it a read:
GMC = General Motors Corporation, Truck and Coach Division.
I always thought it stood for General Motors Commercial Division. Which would explain why GM's large commercial trucks are GMC's. And up until the '70's, GMC's trucks were generally ('scuse the pun) more plain and utilitarian, meant for plumbers, utility companies, etc...
GMC is the moist profitable division at GM. It will be around a long time.
The plan is to have the dealers set up as GMC/Pontiac/Buick. Premium makes. More rationalization will occur as these divisions are fine tuned. In the future Pontiac will lose trucks (Minivan, Torrent) and GMC will be get all the turcks. Big question is what will hapen with the Enclave 4-5 years from now. Probably now need for both GMC and Buick to have one.
Chevy will standalone and offer a full width of value vehicles.
I get the plan. But sit in a Lacrosse CXL for me some time, and tell me how "premium" it feels to you. Or a Pontiac Vibe, Grand Prix, you name it pretty much, across the Pontiac line.
I have no doubt that GMC will stick around as long as it sells so well. All I'm saying is that trucks may become harder to sell in the future as gas prices fall and spike, and congestion increases on the roads. Sales of full-size trucks are down more than 10% for the year, and large SUVs like GMC sells are down 20%. So GM could plan ahead a little and make some low-cost changes that would more seriously differentiate GMC trucks from their Chevy counterparts. Make the GMC line more worth going over to the separate GMC store to look at.
BTW, you made me chuckle when you said GMC was the "moist" profitable division. Yes, I know it was just a typo. :-)
P.S. Wanna make a gentleman's bet about which of Caddy/Saab/Hummer will still be under the GM umbrella in 2010? My guess is, only Cadillac.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
my dream like I've said in other forums is a GM-Ford merge.
Hmmmm. Two companies that don't seem to be able to compete, Well, they could cry on each others shoulders and share bad designs. ;-) But here is what they are up against. How will they get the owners of a vehicle this good back? They better find new blood somewhere.
Hummer will be there with new models. Saab? Who really knows.
Gas is $2.05 here now. I know, it might go back up. Just like the 70's. I know there are all kinds of reasons that it will go back up. Just like the 70's. I am still waiting for it to go under $2 like I said it would last year.
I guess I wonder why you feel the Lacrosse is not "premium" on the interior? Tight fits, soft materials everywhere, chrome highlights, wood. Vibe and GP are pretty old and as we have been saying the replacements in the last few years have been looking pretty darn good.
Ugh I see those things 10x per day here already. Not a pretty car. Perfect for the conservative (not necessarily politically) buyer who wants something seen as luxurious, but doesn't like cars nor driving them. That's one super supercamry.
Starts at $33,865 including $695 destination charge. •Handling. Not razor sharp, though hardly flabby.
I replaced the sway bar bushings with firmer performance versions in my 03 Avalon for 30 bucks to bring back that quickness in handling. Fun to drive now. New performance struts go in next week due to age of stock units and anticipation of hauling fully packed load. I'm anxious to see the results. I would rather have a BMW, but the 5 series is smaller, twice the price, and I prefer FWD for winter, so I will tweak this up the best I can. Looks like it will come out close to what I want. Things can be done with any vehicle to make it suit you better.
Ugh I see those things 10x per day here already. Not a pretty car.
Of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but if this car is what Healey says it is, my guess is that it will be much more appealing after a test drive. And, I have found that the model I walk past at new model introduction is the one I may like best months later.
The Lexus is a fine car but GM will knock it off it's pedestal,that's the feeling I'm getting. With GM, when they have the will-they have the expertise!
The Lexus is a fine car but GM will knock it off it's pedestal,that's the feeling I'm getting.
Well, That's quite a statement. I would very much like to hear the reasoning behind it. I must be missing something. I'm assuming you said that after reading the 07 ES 350 review on the link above? GM certainly is improving, but that target is not stationary as the article states. I do hope you're right as I'm a shareholder.
With GM, when they have the will-they have the expertise!
Were 20 years and holding, so I'm guessing the will is missing. And that bunny rabbit just keeps scampering away. Little short steps don't match big agressive steps.
GMC origionally stood for Grabowsky Motor Company. By the time GM bought them their name was Rapid Motor Company. GM kept the GMC because it had a good reputation attached to it. So I have read.
Let's try to focus on the discussion title, please!
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Hm... good point I missed that, obviously. This one's toast, and saved for our offspring to read (but not to post in).
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Ummmm, not totally. It should be a combination of refined luxury, and blue collar work truck capability to not lose it's heritage. The line-up also shouldn't lose it's manly off-road capable image either. Personally I think every model should come with AWD or 4WD and the base trim be SLE, and Z-71 w/ Skid Plates as standard equipment.
62' No offense pal, but 2WD should flat out dissapear from GMC. You should have to buy a Chevy if you want 2WD. Not many people buy a Truck and/or SUV with 2WD anymore. Well not in Michigan or Texas anyways.
I'm just trying to add some further distinguishment for GM, with Chevy and GMC brands. Like I said it's "IMHO"
Don't let these liars fool you guys. They have over $27 Billion in European and Asian Banks, according to the UAW findings. It makes sense to me because they use child and slave labor to make most of it's components, and just think about how much profit margin they make per unit doing this type of business
Out of 220,000 employees only approx. 33,000 were americans. The rest were cheap third-worlders. :mad: My fathers plant alone after expenses made almost $145 million last year. Now they want you and I to pick up expenses. :mad:
I use to love Delphi, and my former MSN Messenger SN was "Delphi number 1" and if they didn't employ a few immediate family members still, I think I'd hate their guts. :sick:
"Lock em' up, and throw the key into the Detroit River" :mad:
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I am hoping that the next generation CTS gets a wagon as part of the line. A CTS wagon would be light enough that the V6 would be enough engine, and fuel consumption would not be much diffent than the sedan.
Rocky
Rocky
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
So sayeth the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. The immigration issue seems, to me, a little ironic and hypocritical. For a long time, we encouraged, even begged for immigrants to come here, to work our mines and mills and factories. Now that those tasks are accomplished, our attitude seems to have changed to "We got ours, screw you." We are ALL descendants of immigrants. And a lot of our forfathers (and mothers) came here across unguarded borders, largely through Canada. They were given a path to become citizens. I do agree that we need to keep terrorists from coming across our borders. But guess what; that's not how they come here. They come legally, on planes with passports and visas. Not one person who has committed terrorist acts on US soil has snuck across the border on foot.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
This seems to be pretty one sided. You may want to reconsider what everyone has been saying. I know that if you grew up in that envirnment, it could become your world. Then again, Muslim terrorists came from their limited world and absolutely know that it is right to slit innocent peoples throats due to what they have been led to believe. But the freedom of thought and speech we have allows us to ferret things out for ourselves with open minded thought. I hope you aren't saying that others opinions are invalid and that "I'm right, and the rest of the world is wrong". But I know you're really not. ;-)
Rocky
"We are talking about GM, and the only way they will survive is this country having a strong economy."
The only way they will survive is to better their competition. Because their competition is apparently able to deal with the same economic conditions.
Nice.
And I believe that the vast majority of those coming into NY and being processed through Ellis Island did so.....legally. And processes are in place for foreigners to immigrate into this country today and become American citizens.....legally. And those that go through this process do so because they want to become AMERICANS and understand that doing so carries certain responsibilities.
And I have no problems with individuals and families willing to go through that process. In fact, those that go through that process often have a much deeper appreciation for this country, it's opportunities, and our history than natural citizens BORN here (myself included).
The problem I have is with those ILLEGALS who have no intention whatsoever of assimilating into the U.S. as a U.S. citizen.
"Not one person who has committed terrorist acts on US soil has snuck across the border on foot."
Excellent point. And not one person has ever snuck a nuke into our ports aboard a ship. And prior to 9/11, no hijackers had intentionally flown planes into buildings. I guess then that it only makes sense to institute security measures AFTER an event?
I guess rocky can quit his job at Pantex then.....
Rocky
Agree....
The only way they will survive is to better their competition. Because their competition is apparently able to deal with the same economic conditions.
We disagree here, but I'll leave it alone.
Rocky
ok
Very unbiased and said yesterday he is a registered independent. He slammed both party's for not sticking up for working class folks, and all the out-sourcing allowed by both party's. Get to know him, before you knock him.
Maybe Lou is trying to get a piece of the pie that O'rielly has so much success with. Apparently Bill hit the right button for a whole lot of folks tired of getting their noses rubbed in the status quo. Like Bill or not, he has a huge following.
O'Reilly, is nothing more than a better looking Rush Limbaugh. Funny how soon people brush under the rug his sex scandel from a few years ago. I disagree with Michael Savage, on alot of things but he at least can think for himself and doesn't walk lock-step with Bush, like Rush and O'Reilly.
However I will say O'Reilly, is much better than the Sean Hannity. I was surprised GM, used Hannity's slogan your a
"Great American" in it's talk-radio ads. :surprise:
Rocky
Back to GM
Nice.
And I believe that the vast majority of those coming into NY and being processed through Ellis Island did so.....legally. And processes are in place for foreigners to immigrate into this country today and become American citizens.....legally.
Today, the quota for immigration is limited to 140,000 "employment-based" (those that already have job offers here, or have "extraordinary ability" in the arts, sciences, business, education or athletics. For those wanting to come here to try to FIND work, and build a better life for themselves and their families, there is a lottery of just 55,000 green cards. The the vast majority of immigrants coming through Ellis Island had NO QUOTAS. They weren't instituted until 1924. They were ALL welcomed with open arms.
And those that go through this process do so because they want to become AMERICANS and understand that doing so carries certain responsibilities.
The vast majority coming across the borders are just people looking for a better life for themselves and their families, and would love to become US citizens, but our immigration quotas make that virtually impossible.
I found a very interesting read on this subject in - of all places - Capitalism Magazine. Give it a read:
Immigration Quotas vs. Individual Rights: The Moral and Practical Case for Open Immigration
I always thought it stood for General Motors Commercial Division. Which would explain why GM's large commercial trucks are GMC's. And up until the '70's, GMC's trucks were generally ('scuse the pun) more plain and utilitarian, meant for plumbers, utility companies, etc...
The plan is to have the dealers set up as GMC/Pontiac/Buick. Premium makes. More rationalization will occur as these divisions are fine tuned. In the future Pontiac will lose trucks (Minivan, Torrent) and GMC will be get all the turcks. Big question is what will hapen with the Enclave 4-5 years from now. Probably now need for both GMC and Buick to have one.
Chevy will standalone and offer a full width of value vehicles.
Cadillac/Saab/Hummer
Saturn
I have no doubt that GMC will stick around as long as it sells so well. All I'm saying is that trucks may become harder to sell in the future as gas prices fall and spike, and congestion increases on the roads. Sales of full-size trucks are down more than 10% for the year, and large SUVs like GMC sells are down 20%. So GM could plan ahead a little and make some low-cost changes that would more seriously differentiate GMC trucks from their Chevy counterparts. Make the GMC line more worth going over to the separate GMC store to look at.
BTW, you made me chuckle when you said GMC was the "moist" profitable division. Yes, I know it was just a typo. :-)
P.S. Wanna make a gentleman's bet about which of Caddy/Saab/Hummer will still be under the GM umbrella in 2010? My guess is, only Cadillac.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Hmmmm. Two companies that don't seem to be able to compete, Well, they could cry on each others shoulders and share bad designs. ;-) But here is what they are up against. How will they get the owners of a vehicle this good back? They better find new blood somewhere.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/2006-10-12-lexus-es350_x.htm
Gas is $2.05 here now. I know, it might go back up. Just like the 70's. I know there are all kinds of reasons that it will go back up. Just like the 70's. I am still waiting for it to go under $2 like I said it would last year.
I guess I wonder why you feel the Lacrosse is not "premium" on the interior? Tight fits, soft materials everywhere, chrome highlights, wood. Vibe and GP are pretty old and as we have been saying the replacements in the last few years have been looking pretty darn good.
Starts at $33,865 including $695 destination charge.
•Handling. Not razor sharp, though hardly flabby.
I replaced the sway bar bushings with firmer performance versions in my 03 Avalon for 30 bucks to bring back that quickness in handling. Fun to drive now. New performance struts go in next week due to age of stock units and anticipation of hauling fully packed load. I'm anxious to see the results. I would rather have a BMW, but the 5 series is smaller, twice the price, and I prefer FWD for winter, so I will tweak this up the best I can. Looks like it will come out close to what I want. Things can be done with any vehicle to make it suit you better.
Of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but if this car is what Healey says it is, my guess is that it will be much more appealing after a test drive. And, I have found that the model I walk past at new model introduction is the one I may like best months later.
The Lexus is a fine car but GM will knock it off it's pedestal,that's the feeling I'm getting. With GM, when they have the will-they have the expertise!
Well, That's quite a statement. I would very much like to hear the reasoning behind it. I must be missing something. I'm assuming you said that after reading the 07 ES 350 review on the link above? GM certainly is improving, but that target is not stationary as the article states. I do hope you're right as I'm a shareholder.
With GM, when they have the will-they have the expertise!
Were 20 years and holding, so I'm guessing the will is missing. And that bunny rabbit just keeps scampering away. Little short steps don't match big agressive steps.
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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/AUTO01/610180335/1148-
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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061017/AUTO01/610170376/1148- /AUTO01
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Just my $0.02
Rocky
I'm just trying to add some further distinguishment for GM, with Chevy and GMC brands.
Rocky
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=117194
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SEC says top financial officers used accounting schemes to hide supplier's troubled finances.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061019/AUTO01/610190390
Don't let these liars fool you guys. They have over $27 Billion in European and Asian Banks, according to the UAW findings. It makes sense to me because they use child and slave labor to make most of it's components, and just think about how much profit margin they make per unit doing this type of business
Out of 220,000 employees only approx. 33,000 were americans. The rest were cheap third-worlders. :mad:
My fathers plant alone after expenses made almost $145 million last year. Now they want you and I to pick up expenses. :mad:
I use to love Delphi, and my former MSN Messenger SN was "Delphi number 1" and if they didn't employ a few immediate family members still, I think I'd hate their guts. :sick:
"Lock em' up, and throw the key into the Detroit River" :mad:
Rocky
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061019/AUTO01/610190381
Rocky
http://www.sbclasslaw.com/pr/DelphiAmendedComplaint.pdf
WOW, Delphi is in deep, deep, trouble. :surprise:
Rocky