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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    I love the shaker hood. Never knew Tadge could be so funny.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    General Motors Corp., the world's largest automaker, said it met its
    goal of selling more than 1 million vehicles in China this year as it
    added new models in the world's fastest-growing major car market.

    The Detroit-based company said in an e-mailed statement today it became
    the first global automaker to cross the 1 million-threshold in China in
    a year.

    GM, which counts China as its second-biggest market, is expanding in the
    country by investing more and unveiling new models. It plans to invest
    as much as $5 billion in China over the next five years on car and
    engine development, production facilities, technical and after-sales
    support.
  • dhyde153dhyde153 Member Posts: 1
    As a loyal Saturn owner ('98 SW1, 180K and bought new), I have mixed feelings about the new partnership with Opel. While it quickly brings the division some exciting and (to North America) unique new products, it reflects a loss of some of the elements of what made Saturn so special in the first place. One of them is the plastic skin, discontinued because of long-term fit-and-finish issues. This made for lighter and more economical cars that still rated very well on safety. (Look at what that extra quarter-ton of weight has done to the VUE's economy! You might as well buy a Michigan-built Outlook instead and get all that extra room.) My vehicle exterior still looks fairly new, whereas my mom's '94 Prizm with 1/3 the mileage is getting eaten alive with rust.

    I do hope that the ASTRA is eventually produced in Spring Hill, although postings I've read here indicate that Lordstown is more likely. The shutting down of the VUE line there in favor of the Mexican-built Antara (just 51% US/Canadian parts content despite US engine/trans) was a real disappointment but an unfortunate reflection of the realities of the global economy (and the very real need to extend more prosperity south of the border). A gentleman at my dealership said that he heard that, at the moment, Spring Hill is making Chevys! Tennessee had a unique culture that Saturn really couldn't manage to export when they started the L-series in Delaware.

    I'm old enough to remember the small and cute Opel Kadett that GM brought here over 40 years ago so that Buick dealers would have an inexpensive entry-level car to offer. (On a family vacation to Cape Cod in 1966, I saw the guest at the adjacent cabin out there all day polishing and waxing his red one, trying to shelter its finish from the very salty local air.) By the late '70's, German Opels got too expensive to import so GM created the "Opel by Isuzu" from Japan. My neighbor in Virginia at the time had a blue "Buick/Opel" coupe based on the Isuzu Gemini; looking at it from my 2nd-floor window showed its windshield and A-pillars identical to those of my Chevette (although they did a good job of making the car look quite different). To see Opel today as GM's primary global nameplate is indeed quite an awakening.

    While the vista-roof ASTRA coupe probably wouldn't comply with US safety regs, I do hope that the European Opel/Vauxhall Astra station wagon eventually becomes part of Saturn's offering. Part of the reason I still have my SW1 is that none was ever offered in the ION line and I have never been interested in an SUV. Saturn has always been the most affordable of the boutique brands, with a buying and ownership experience that usually can't be had at mainstream dealers. At a time of great upheaval in other sectors of my daily life, it has been a real blessing to have a vehicle whose reliability I can take for granted. In the coming year I hope to be able to afford a new Astra, and see if it can continue this tradition.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    2008' Chevy Tahoe get's a 380 hp. V8

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124104

    -Rocky
  • onlygmmattersonlygmmatters Member Posts: 19
    I thought GM hit a home run with the Cobalt when it came out and the Cobalt SS is still a Class leader but the new Saturn Astra may be taken to the next level. Sharp styling, powerful silky smooth engine, 17" rims combined with a high quality interior and Saturn reliability and quality and GM has yet another hit on their hands. This is going to be the most popular car of 2008 and become one of the top sellers behind the #1 selling Malibu and the Cadillac CTS. Only the Chevrolet Silverado will bring more buyers.

    This like most other GM's will be flying off the lots and they won't be able to build enough of them.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    This is going to be the most popular car of 2008 and become one of the top sellers behind the #1 selling Malibu and the Cadillac CTS. Only the Chevrolet Silverado will bring more buyers.

    The Astra? :confuse:

    GM is only importing maybe 20,000 of them. It will be outsold by the smart fortwo. :P
  • onlygmmattersonlygmmatters Member Posts: 19
    That is initial, once the demand picks up GM will need to import more. We are talking about the hottest small car on the market here. GM would be stupid to put a bottleneck around it only to see those people defect for some cheap crappy Civic or something. Lutz hasn't let us down yet, I think he knows what's best. The Astra is destined to be a top seller just like the Malibu, Cadillac CTS, GMT900s and Lambdas.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    If the Astra does take off, I'm sure GM might want to import more, depending on just how awful the Euro-dollar exchange rate is and how much (if any) excess capacity the factory in Belgium has. Still, I doubt we'll see any more than 50k come off the boat before production gets set up on this side of the pond.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    I think you are forgetting that The Astra will suffer from a smaller dealer base then the Malibu and other Chevy cars. Nice car but still not sure how many people are rushing to Saturn dealerships after such products as the L-series, Ion and Relay.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Speaking of rushing to Saturn dealers. Over the weekend I took a ride thru my local Saturn dealers lot to see if they had an Astra yet. If they did they must have sold it because they did not have any in stock.

    Are they out yet ? They seem to be a long time coming.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    My guess is they are not out yet. I've been hearing about this car for over a year. I will be in the market for a car some time later this year. With my commute, fuel efficiency is important.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I believe the Astra is to go on sale starting today (2 January).

    Not sure what the delay was; perhaps it had to do with getting enough inventory to all the Saturn dealers around the country for the launch.

    However, with no aux jack offered with the Astra, I'm not terribly interested (and this from a guy who has 4 Saturns in the family!)
  • mr215mr215 Member Posts: 89
    my understanding is that its on sale this week. I wonder if they will do TV ads or just stick to print ads. I have seen several print ads for this car in the monthly car mags over the past couple months.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    I saw the print ads also. That is why I thought it was out already. Maybe Saturn is trying to build the anticipation.
  • dinofdinof Member Posts: 106
    Just like to tell all the Saturn Aura owners out there..........keep
    insisting that your dealer repairs the rocker panel gaps !! :)
  • toyota4lifetoyota4life Member Posts: 53
    :shades: MOVING FAWORD!
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Michigan officials say auto supplier owes millions in unpaid business and use levies, dating to 1999.

    David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau

    WASHINGTON -- The state of Michigan is conducting two new tax audits at Delphi Corp. as it presses a bankruptcy court to force the supplier to pay $10.5 million in unpaid business taxes.

    Troy-based Delphi in a court filing this week disclosed that the state is auditing whether the supplier properly paid use taxes from 1999 through 2005 for its Delphi Automotive Systems unit. A separate audit of the company's Delphi Technologies unit will begin shortly and will be completed before a court hearing on Feb. 10 on the matter in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York.

    The audits center on whether Delphi properly paid use taxes, which are similar to sales taxes, on computer software and other information technology and utility services.

    Delphi said it is working with the state's auditors. In a Jan. 2 court filing the company acknowledged it may owe a limited amount of unpaid use taxes.

    In Michigan, a use tax is paid for storing or using personal property on items that weren't subjected to Michigan's sales tax. The state's use tax is assessed at the same rate as Michigan's 6 percent sales tax. Under Michigan law, certain purchases are exempt from use taxes, which Delphi claims exists in this case.

    The audits are in addition to the State Treasury Department's claim in U.S. Bankruptcy Court that the company failed to pay $10.5 million in single business taxes between 2002 and 2004 by improperly using foreign tax credits for research to offset its state tax liability.

    Delphi in a court filing said it properly paid its single business taxes. A spokesman for the Michigan Department of Treasury, Terry Stanton, declined to comment on the audits or the SBT case.

    Two executives to get $24.6M

    Separately, Delphi has agreed to pay its top two executives at least $24.6 million in cash and stock when the company emerges from bankruptcy early this year, part of an executive compensation program that's been widely criticized by the company's unions.

    Delphi CEO Rodney O'Neal will receive a $5.3 million cash payment and an initial stock and option grant of $10 million, with half the amount in stock when the company exits bankruptcy, which is expected by the end of March.

    O'Neal will be paid a base salary of $1.5 million annually, and beginning in 2009 will get annual stock and option packages worth at least $6.7 million. He is eligible for annual bonuses of at least $1.9 million.

    Outgoing executive chairman Robert S. "Steve" Miller will receive an $8.3 million cash payment upon the company's emergence from bankruptcy.

    The company has also decided to boost the amount of cash payments made to the top 560 executives to $87 million over the $78 million announced last month.


    The United Auto Workers and Delphi's other unions have filed objections to the salaried bonus program in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York.

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/AUTO01/801050359/1148- /rss25

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    imidazol97, gagrice, 62vetteefp, lemko, marsha7, jae5, etc, etc,

    What do you guys think about the article above ???? :surprise:

    -Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Sounds like Michigan is reaching to try to grab some money from anywhere. I'll bet they're having trouble finding enough money to run the state with all the benefits and perks they want, right? So they're looking, looking, looking.

    The solution is to treat Delphi as they would a new Japanese company wanting to run its plants in Michigan. Tax breaks. Tax breaks. Tax breaks. Look at Indiana and the new Honda plant and all the games they played to try to make it palatable to their Indianapolis urban folks but avoid including rural experienced, willing workers in the Anderson area.

    Executive pay has been protected by the politicians. It should be treated just like the employees. Kick the pay agreements out the door. Base pay and that's it. The company's in trouble. Use the same excuse they use for regular employees. Just because the executives have friends in high, elected places...

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well Delphi, has sold michigan, out so I think the state isn't going to let Delphi, slide when the top brass is paying themselves multi-million dollar pay days and golden parachutes. I was stunned to learn just how much those executives were paying themselves during a time of bankruptcy with huge hourly pay and benefit cuts. Only in America, one would see this happen.... :sick: :cry:

    -Rocky

    P.S. Don't you guys have a Delphi, plant there in Ohio ??? Or did it close ???
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    It also demonstrates that GM can use the two-mode hybrid drive system in a number of vehicles down the road, as well as in front-wheel drive configurations.

    WOW is right. Now available for use in FWD cars. No one else has anything like it! I wonder what the thinking was to offer it with the V6? Lots of power and performance? Others have tried and failed. Those who pay for being green want it really green and in others faces. BUT I can see no reason why this tranny technology would not work with the 4's.

    Saturn expects to see a 50 percent increase in the Vue's fuel economy compared to the non-hybrid V-6 models. That means this Vue could clear 30 miles per gallon. Saturn estimates the Vue's range at 500 miles per tank.

    Is this city only 50% improvement?
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Here is some news regarding the highways of the future...coming to your town soon!

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080107/gadget_show_driverless_cars.html
  • lostwrenchlostwrench Member Posts: 288
    We already have driverless cars. I see them almost everyday. Is anyone sitting behind the wheel? Yes, but they are looking at their phone while dialing or text messaging. They are putting on lipstick or combing their hair while looking into the rear view mirror. They are turning around to slap their kids or enter a freeway. And, let's not forget reading the morning newspaper. They're out there.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Even tractor-trailers are driver-less in that vein...what we are looking at in the future is to do this safely.

    Regards,
    OW
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I hope this technology does become available. With our aging population there will soon be a lot of people that can no longer safely drive but won't want to give up their mobility. It might also be good for the bar business if drunk drivers could now be chauffered around by their cars.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Dub's not thrilled.

    Drivers Wanted?

    I remember doing a book report in elementary school based on a Popular Science story. We were supposed to be riding in our cars along grassy swales while the car did all the driving, back in 1980. Someone didn't get the memo.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    I want one of those motorcycles that transforms into an armored exosuit.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,202
    "...while the car did the driving..."

    All throughout my childhood my father said: "our next car will be an air car that flys".

    I'm still waiting dad. :mad:

    As for a driverless car--what would be the fun? BTW we already have a vehicle that you can ride in without driving....it's called the bus. :cry:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • gfh77665gfh77665 Member Posts: 4
    I currently drive a 2000 Silverado, and I recently gave my 95' Chevy Caprice to my daughter.... If GM goes ahead with this crazy plan, I will never own another GM. GM (and the Government) will take the steeringwheel out of my hands when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it!
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    BTW we already have a vehicle that you can ride in without driving....it's called the bus.

    Oh I thought the punch line was going to be the camcord. :P

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Yeah, it will be cool seeing the 2-mode in cars like the new Malibu. :shades:

    What kind of mileage do you think it would get 62' ??? 40, 45 MPG ???

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Check out the Lincoln MKS forum. I left you a post. ;)

    -Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    What kind of mileage do you think it would get 62' ??? 40, 45 MPG ???

    No way. If they can get the average up near 34 that would be great.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I guess it's reasonable to be skeptical but if you really think about it the driverless car is clearly the direction we're heading in. You now have automatic transmissions that are as good or better than manuals. Cruise control, GPS navigation, traction control, anti-lock brakes, radar that warns you when your about to back into something or if your approaching another vehicle too fast, cars that park themselves, brakes and steering by-wire, etc.. I understand how the so-called "purists" might resist this but it is probably a losing battle. Today's airline pilots do very little of the actual flying of the plane, most is done by advanced avionics. These pilots probably had greater job satisfaction back when it was more of a hands on profession. When we're talking about transportation safety trumps satisfaction.

    I do agree that there will be a lot of resistance to this technology at first. Most people will initially have a hard time feeling safe in a car that's driving itself.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    There will always be weekends at Laguna Seca, Willow Springs and Thuderhill.

    Regards,
    OW
  • alltorquealltorque Member Posts: 535
    Think you might like the Astra when it arrives. Gets pretty good reviews over in U.K., (as the Vauxhall Astra, rest of Europe is badged Opel). Having driven one for a couple of weeks I found it to be good in all respects - not brilliant but much better than just O.K. - apart from the driver's seat which gave me real backache; the first car ever to do this. However, others don't seem to have this problem so let's put it down to my anatomy. :sick:

    Doubt if you'll get the VRX Coupe but it's 237bhp 2.0 Turbo make it something of a hooligan. The world needs more hooligans. :)
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Doubt if you'll get the VRX Coupe but it's 237bhp 2.0 Turbo make it something of a hooligan. The world needs more hooligans.

    Well, the 2.0L Turbo is already used in the Sky RedLine and will be available in the HHR SS, so it's not too much of a stretch to believe that an Astra RedLine with the same engine may be available in a year or two.

    Put mine in the 5-door, please!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I don't know if any Delphi plants survive in the long run here. Most are shut down. A plant is becoming a GM distribution center. Another new center is being built for a GM supplier which is GM but run by someone else.

    An example of poor analysis by people who try to make thestory fit the desired outcome is here in this article about Dayton, Ohio, as an example of Midwest failure to be up on the world. A major employer in the area has been Wright Patterson Air Force base and assorted accoutrements to it. And then there are contractors who supply and work the base such as Martin Marietta. To read this guy who rode into town on a white horse, they just blindly held onto the last manufacturing job at GM/Delco and then shut the doors.

    Note the article link is to page #2
    Midwest Failure

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    imidazol97,

    OMG, pal that was one hell of a great article that hit on all points. I actually got emotionally connected with it and all I could think about reading it is John Edwards, speech this evening. :cry: All I can do is pray.....

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I was speaking hwy numbers. I know it's not much more but the hwy mode is good for a slight increase. ;)

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    62' have you seen pics of the new 09' CTS-V ???? It is the greatest automobile ever made !!! They need to take this piece of art and put it in a museum !!!! :shades:

    -Rocky
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Just watched the Autoline show and there were 3 media folks on. They are part of the media judges (~50 US/Canadian media) that are deciding the North America car/truck of the year. Wow, they really feel all the cars (this week was car discussion, next week is truck) they looked at were great but all three felt the best car was either the CTS and Malibu! One kept saying the Malibu was better than the new Honda and the Camry. Notice the Accord did not even make the top 3 finalist.

    As I said they really liked all the new cars this year and it is a tough competition.
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