2010 Hyundai Veracruz

ssangyong_cars

the Hyundai's in Korea have NAV but i heard on some other website that the U.S. will get NAV this year

ssangyong_cars

(i don't really like Honda and Toyota)

arumage

Actually weight is only 300lbs more. With around 30 more ft. lbs. of torque and a 6-speed transmission rather than 5, the Veracruz should be a much more confident tow-er than the Santa Fe. The word is that 260hp is just a rudimentary figure anyway. It is supposed to be more than the Azera so I'd expect 265 or more by the time pricing is released. I, however, don't think they will rate it for much more than 3500lbs.

The new GM crossovers are rated at 4500lbs, but can barely tow their own weight around without jumping into passing gear, according to several review. IMHO, if you tow more than 3500lbs. on the highway, you'd be better off getting something V8 equipped.

yysyys

According to Technical Specifications it's 3500lbs.
Source

arumage

Curb weight with the 3.0L V6 diesel is 4466 lbs for 2WD and 4646 lbs for 4WD. The weight differential between the diesel and gasoline version of the Santa Fe is 300 to 400 lbs. so if the Veracruz follows suit, it will be 300 to 400 lbs lighter than its diesel counterpart.

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:P

simagic

Most (or maybe just some) people reading this forum also are looking at the Mazda CX-9, the Acadia, and the Outlook.
These 3 "now" have a navigation system. Some people, such as myself are ready to buy, but just waiting to check out the others first to compare. I definately want navigation in my next vehicle and I think the Veracruz will lose a bunch of sales by not having it in their first flow of the upcoming model. How disappointing. My personal opinion is I think this is a big mistake. I"ve been waiting and waiting........Now what?, I have to wait even more for the Nav????/. I'm ready to buy, so I guess it's the CX-9 or Acadia.....Just about every new car out there offers NAV....The Veracruz doesn't......What's up with that??????..Duh!!!!!!!!!!!

tidester

You can always pick up an aftermarket nav system. Often, they are cheaper, more reliable and easier to use.

tidester, host

arumage

Some inside information from another forum is that Hyundai and LG are partnering to offer nav for Hyundai vehicles, starting with the Veracruz. It will supposedly be available by March or April so the second round of production could see nav. It's a LG system co-developed with Hyundai. Touch screen, possibly voice activated, can't get a word on that part.

The Veracruz won't lose too many sales because of navigation. Only 7% of cars in the US today have navigation. It was the Korean factor that delayed nav. HMA was all about getting nav for the American market.

On a side note, many review of the Acadia are saying that it has to frequently kick into passing gear quite often when several passengers on board. It makes me wonder if I would ever want to tow with it. If I wanted to deal with that, I'd try to fit 7 in my 4-cyl Camry. I have nothing bad to say about the CX-9 though. The CX-9 and Acadia will be much higher loaded up though.

Hyundai has taken the usual stance of "more for less", and I think it will be a good performer with a good price.

simagic

I don't want to be sticking my nav onto my windshield with suction cups and then having to bring it in and out of the car everyday ( in fear of a car break-in and it being stolen ). I don't want wires running down my dash to plug into my cigarette lighter outlet. I want it incorporated into the dash just like all the other cars out there. And the last thing I want to do is have some outside shop riping apart my dash and putting an "in dash system" in. Boy, wouldn't that open a can of worms when I started having electrical problems and I'd bring it into Hyundai.

arumage

Veracruz Pictures These are 64 pictures graciously taken by someone at the Detroit Auto Show.

arumage

If you have electrical problems, you're installer's an idiot working out of a trailer. Aftermarket electronics are easy to install. I've installed many headunits including units with screens. It's very, very easy, and manufacturers continue to make it easier with better instructions and latching mechanisms.

simagic

Thanks "arumage" for the nav info. Here's another observation. I may be wrong and welcome anyone to correct me, but I don't see any "recycle" button on the heater and AC controls. Ya know the button you push when you don't want outside air to come in the car. How horrible is it when your stuck behind a bus, some old deisel car or some some car in front of you that's burning oil and all those ouside fumes are coming in (cough, cough). I looked at some earlier pictures as well as the ones from the above posting but could not see this recycle button. Any body know about that.

arumage

I'll pose the question on the other forum and let you know what I find out. I'm assuming it will be controlled by the bottom right button with the two LEDs. The pictures are just a little fuzzy, but every other function is accounted for.

simagic

I just went to posting #149 for a closer look. The lower right has an "A" with a circle around it next to just a circle. Both circles have little arrows. Upon further consideration, that must be their "logo" for air reciculation. I can't recall exacly what it's like in my car, but I think it's different

guyf

The button is there. I think it is the one on the right side just above the "Mode" button. It has an automatic mode just like my XC90. Cool!

arumage

The lower right has an "A" with a circle around it next to just a circle. Both circles have little arrows. Upon further consideration, that must be their "logo" for air reciculation. I can't recall exacly what it's like in my car, but I think it's different

The A is for outside air. The empty circle is for recirculation. You were correct.

ricksv70

I am anticipating this new vehicle. I currently own a Volvo V70 (which I really like) but am wanting to get a more ‘refined’ vehicle (and am willing to give Hyundai a try). The Veracruz really sparked my interest. Though the front end is a bit on the ‘dull’ side overall I think this is a class act. Now to the features: I read on the Hyundai website the model specs and sadly in order to get some of the higher end features (ie. Power tailgate, remote start, backup sensors, which I really want) one needs to purchase the top luxury package and also pay for the rear DVD. I think of all vehicle options (IMO) the rear DVD is the biggest waste of money. I would like the options mentioned but don’t need the DVD. I hope that Hyundai does offer those options without having to purchase the expensive (and trouble prone) rear DVD system. I would rather spend money on a Navigation (and I realize that this is the biggest sore spot with Hyundai; not offering a built-in navigation). I myself would like the NAV but I decided that I will get a Garmin Nuvi 660 unit instead and use it in any car, anywhere I go. Side note, I hope that the new Veracruz will not be plagued with suspension problems like the Azera, this is my main concern.

Waiting in Seattle……..

danf1

Hyundai dealers have the Garmin 360 for sale. It is programmed from North America and comes with a 3 year warranty when purchased from the dealer. It is the same as the 660 except for the size of the display.

simagic

Hey danf1..That's great news about Hyundai dealers selling the Garmin 360 navigation system. Just please clear something up for me. Is that an "in dash" system that they install or the less desired (IMO) suction cup on window system.

danf1

its not in dash. There is a suction cup mount for glass or dashboard if you want it closer.

arumage

the rear DVD is the biggest waste of money

Most people I have talked to that actually travel on longer car trips think it's a life saver. Trouble prone? The system in the Veracruz is not the same as the others. It is packaged with an 8" screen. As for the suspension, it will probably not be all that different than the Santa Fe. Hopefully it will be a bit sportier though.

joecarnut

I just got to check a Veracruz out.

Nice vehicle. Some things I noticed:
A/c controls on the rear of the center console for rear seat passengers.
Power rear hatch door. Nice cloth on the one I saw.
I like the touch of having lights on the side mirrors so you can illuminate the outside of the vehicle when approaching as well as turn signals.
Tons of room. 3rd row seat not too bad for room but still not great.
Fit and finish was good. decent mileage too.

Joe

arumage

The third row is much better when you realize that it has 1" more than the Santa Fe in the 1st row, 2.5" more in the 2nd row and a 1/2" more in the 3rd row (It's alot wider too ). Because of all this extra room and the sliding 2nd row seat, you can get much more room back there. The guy in the picture I posted earlier was 6ft tall and had no problem sitting back there with the seats slid all the way back. One nice point over the Santa Fe is also that there is more storage room behind the 3rd row.

simagic

Hey ricksv70. I read the press release mentioned in post 245, but didn't see "remote start" listed in any of the packages like you mention in your post.(unless I overlooked it). Where did you see something written about remote start. I have it in my car now and love it.

arumage

It does have remote start, but it's part of the keyless start system in the ultimate package. That system adds buttons to the exterior door handles so you never have to even reach in your pocket. If you do feel like reaching in your pocket, you can start the vehicle or unlock the doors from there. You can also start the vehicle without putting the key in the ignition.

joecarnut

Yes you can have room with the 3rd row seat by sliding the 2nd row up, but then its not so great for the 2nd row passengers. The 3rd row seats fold down pretty flat to about cargo level btw.
And yes it is wide which I can appreciate very much. The exterior reminded me of a Toureg.
I'm 6'1" and sat in it. I'm not really complaining about it just reporting I got to get in one and crawl around to see what its all about.
What I like most is the mileage was decent for a sizable SUV. Watch out Japan.
I will probably check it out again soon to give better details.

prosource1

Honda will be introducing a new Pilot next year and I am most assured that there will be a 'feature fight-back' from Honda.
I am drawn to the Veracruz's great engine, rain sensing wipers, keyless ignition, etc. which Honda doesn't have right now. I am sure they will add this, but I don't think they will be able to match the price.
I did get my 06 Pilot for $29k..which is $6k below msrp due to high fuel prices and knowledge of dealer holdback.
It's gonna take alot of Hyundai to sway me from the Pilot. I have owned 2 and they have been perfect ....except for the cheap interior.

arumage

The new Pilot will probably draw a big premium on release. It seems as though quite a few have been waiting patiently for a new version. I don't think any manufacturer will be able to match the price and quality combination of Hyundai right now, but I do think there will be those with more technology, power, and such (at a premium). The true question is whether the powers that be at Hyundai Korea will start bestowing HMA vehicles with all the goodies and gadgets available in Korea.

backy

Something to consider: In the Republic of Korea, the Veracruz (and other Hyundais) don't have much competition from Honda and Toyota. So Hyundai can load up their vehicles there and charge accordingly--much more (in won) than what Hyundai charges here. The question is, if the Veracruz and other Hyundais were loaded up with equipment such that they were priced about the same or even more than competitive vehicles from Honda and Toyota, would those Hyundais sell? Is America ready for a $40,000 Veracruz, a $30,000 Sonata, or a $24,000 Elantra?

arumage

That's true, but Hyundai Korea stalling navigation and bluetooth for HMA has had a negative effect. I don't think they would have to bring some of the more gimmicky technology that a BMW, Mercedes, or high-end Lexus, but features that alot of manufacturers carry such as the afformentioned navigation and bluetooth would be a welcome addition as options. Profit margin in American comes more from quantity than markup like it does in Korea.

simagic

With that remote start can you start it from , Oh let's say 100 feet away as I can do with my present remote start.

ricksv70

Question concerning remote start. With this feature can you start the car but keep the doors locked? Here in
Washington state it is illegal to start a vehicle and have it running without anyone in it. I can only use this feature if the car remained locked. I do realize that anyone can break the glass.......

arumage

Since the feature in the Veracruz doesn't require a key, most likely you need to be in the car to put the car in gear. Some factory remote starts will not allow the car to shift into gear without having the key in the start position. I can't vouch for the Veracruz obviously, but I would assume this would be the case. On all remote starts I've seen, factory or not, the doors remain locked when the remote start starts the car.

pelican19

Spoke to my dealer today. He will have one in 30 days. I have already booked the first test drive. Will update soon.

Also, Hyundais webtech has already posted information on the Veracruz for training purposes. Check it out.

blindbat

Any word on Pricing?

I drove the Lincoln MKX and the GMC Acadia. I liked the Acadia a lot, except for the transmission. I believe they both use the same transmission, which I didn't like. Maybe if a person drove them longer they could learn to drive them without downshifting so much? Neither vehicle was as quiet as I was led to believe.

practical

Can you post the URL for Hyundais webtech?

I love the spec and features of this car. My wish list,
- HID light as I'm getting older
- back-up camera

Don't know how useful the cooler under armrest is.

arumage

Both of those are unavailable currently on the Veracruz, but they are available on the Korean model, according to the information Hyundai has made available. I'm hoping we get them soon.

practical

Honda and Nissan have pretty detailed info about how their AW works, and there are some reviews as well.

Is there any info out there for Hyundai?

practical

There are some good jobs done at Hyundai when they decided to add a new model, a lux one.
1> Proximity Key
a great feature, buyers for a 7-seater should be middle-age who has two cars. Today's keys are either one big fat key or two pieces. So, added to one house key, spouse's car key, his key case is pretty thick. Hard to pull out. It's even a big thing hanging there during driving.

2> Approach light (or called puddle lamp)
perfect in the parking lot during the night.

3> mounted turn signal
everyone experienced this, wondering if the other car want to change into the lane you want too. A very helpful invention by MB.

6-Disc CD changer, may be a waste as it's outdated.

I like the yellow rear turning signal, much better than the red one at Pilot and MDX.

arumage

Hyundai's AWD is a borg-warner system. It is pretty much all FWD until slip is detected. It does have a 50-50 lock though.

pelican19

http://www.hmaservice.com

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guyf

$40,000 for the base GLS model (AWD, leather, sunroof) $46,000 for the Limited with entertainment system, seats memory, homelink, auto dimming mirror and a few other bits...

arumage

That's not bad considering a GMC Acadia is $40,000 CDN for the base AWD model with no options.

nxs138

That another reason why you don't see all many large SUVs and luxury cars in Canada: they're just too darn expensive, especially since salaries in Canada are generally no higher than here in the US. And to that you have to add about 15% tax, depending which province you live in.

I would have thought Huyndai would have gone a little lower than that...guess you'll be a larger percentage of base models on the road.

marsha7

are, to me, much safer and easier to see, especially in the rain and darkest night...sometimes you can see amber flashing over a mile away on a clear night, yet red, which is not as visible, may be a signal light or a brake light, and if one brake light is out, you never really know what they are doing up ahead...

It was not so long ago that American cars have all had red signal lights, and virtually ALL imports, Japanese and European, had amber...in tha last 5 years I have noticed a number of "imports" have changed over to red, and for the life of me I do not understand why, as the safety factor is obvious...

practical

Absolutely right!!!!

I posted a question about it years ago at one auto safety forum. One explained that it's back to WWII, when "scientists" determined red is easier to spot at night... Many units like ambulance and fire trucks turn to non-red, say light yellow, green/yellow.

Years ago, CADI used to be the worst along with Caravan, Town Car and some other domestics. Now there is trend for minor update during model years, that is toggle the color of the rear turn signal.

Plenty of don't-make-sense today, Siena, Pilot, Caravan still, even Accord and BMW.

MB, Lexus, Mazda, Saab, Land Rover and Volvo are the ones so far still making sense.

guyf

I hope for Hyundai that the Veracruz will generate more interest in the showroom than here...

The Azera case where they are advertised for $7K of MSRP may be a sign of what is coming. Consumers may not be ready for a near luxury Hyundai.