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Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued
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If you could read....which I don't know how well...I am not comparing a 3/4 to a Tundra...you idiot..
I will compare any 1/2 to a Tundra...(didn't I already say this?)
If the Toyota is such a bad [non-permissible content removed]...how come no 3/4 or 1 tons are made?...and what about commercial applications?.....real tough truck
TP,
See....there is power in prayer...
You...I have hope for that someday we can get you to cross back over to America.....bamat?....I don't know what we will do with him?
- Tim
Dbhull, what are all the options you're getting on the Ford? 5.4?
You Chevy guys need to face reality. The Tundra is full size. You are just in denial. You have Tundra envy.
The Tundra hauls more than the Chevy and has more front seat leg room. It also has far better quality.
I will attempt to end the "full size" argument.
The Tundra is full size. Is not. Is too. Is not. Is too. Is not. Is too. Is not. Is not. Is too. Is not. Is too. Is not. Is too. Is not. ...... ad nauseum
Now - do you have anything else to add? I even let you have the last word.
The Tundra is classified as full-size. Remember, the full-size Asian weenie is about 1 1/2" smaller than the ole American weenie, so I guess it makes sense.....
The Tundra will outlast the Chevy. No doubt about it.
The Chevy's new makover is a vast improvement over the old models, but hey, it's still a GM product. GM is the worst automaker in the world. They have the worst management, the worst unions, the most valueless stock, and continue to bring up the rear in safety and quality. They manufacture wonderful looking vehicles, but the beauty ends at the sheetmetal. Much like Jerry Springer, WWF, and NASCAR, GM products are aimed at the bottom half of the gene pool. Nothing is funnier than a Chevy/GM truck on the freeway at about 65-75 mph. The truck bed vibrates and shimmies from side to side, illustrating just how solidly-built they are. Even funnier is your basic Suburban or Yukon gasping for air at high altitude, barely able to maintain the speed limit.
The Chevy is better suited to towing than the Tundra, regardless of ratings. Better frame.
Personally, I'd never purchase a GM or Toyota product. I don't buy junk, and I don't spend thousands of dollars more than a vehicle is worth.
You boys go right back to playing now, 'fore your mommas call you for supper.....
The Tundra's V8 is a technological marvel, but is edged out slightly in terms of performance by the new DC 4.7l V8. I'll keep an eye out for all the Tundras and Silverados in my rear view mirror, where they all end up. Funny, my truck's load rating is 2000 lbs, my 0-60 is 7.4 seconds, and my skidpad of .77 is higher than the Toy or the Chevy..what's up with that? Oh, and I have a real back seat that won't torture my family on a trip.
Guess I should have spent another $8-10k like you guys so I could be trendy (Toyota) or a brainless lemming (GM/Chevy). Jeez, we clean you guys up, give you books, and send you to school....and what do you do? You eat the teacher.
Dodge Dakota Quad Cab-the ONLY true sport-utility vehicle on the market-cause there ain't nothin' it can't do.
I spouted off because you GM vs Toyota guys seem to have reverted to name-calling. I guess I've seen too many 1990-1998 Chevy trucks with peeling paint, stuffing hanging out of the seats, or dead on the roadside with flashers going to think much of GM's stuff. I drive 40k a year, so that's a lot of asphalt and cement going by. From a business standpoint, GM IS a poorly-managed company. Look at what nearly held up the new truck rollout, another horrendous strike that cost GM millions in 1999. Just one example in a string of bungled management/union debacles that have spanned the last 30 years. It's too soon to pass judgement on the new Silverado-it looks great, the new motor lineup is impressive (but it shouldn't take 35 years to dump the old 350 and 454..). You can hardly argue that GM's cars have been good performers..with the exception of the 'vette and the Cadillac line, there's little to be excited about. As far as longevity goes, Toyota's vehicles are at the top, and have been for many years. What is horrible with Toyota is their ridiculous repair and parts costs. The only GM product I've ever liked (and could rely on) is/was their 4.3l six. It has proven itself time and time again (it's the powerplant in my 19' SeaRay) and I've got some friends who swear by their motors in their Astros and S-10's. That motor is a 250,000 mile motor. I don't just slam stuff without a reason. If the new line of GM trucks show that the company's got it's sh- together as far as performance, longevity, and value, I'll eat my words and be the first one to sing GM's praises.
Until then, I'll cross my fingers with the new Quad and hope that Dodge's bad rap on quality and service is a thing of the past.
Rooster....
I feel I got a lot more truck all the way around. For starters, the 5.4l has way more pull, even seat of the pants tells me that, not just stats. I got a limited slip diff that can't be had on Tundra. I got a deeper, more useful bed box. I got 17" aluminum wheels that can't be purchased on a Tundra. I got more payload and tow capacity than a Tundra. I got a bigger rear seat. I got "comfortable" leather captains chairs (I found the Tundra seats to be pretty uncomfortable). I could go on. I don't mean to slam the Tundra. I think it is an ok truck. It is just not a true full size (by my expectations anyway), and it has a lot less options/amount of truck for the money. I got my new F150 with practically everything on it, and definitely way more than a completely loaded Tundra, for about 2500 less than the best deal I was given on a Tundra.
Bottom line is.....The Toyota is a good mid size truck, but comes with a very high end full size truck price and STILL does not offer all the options that can be found on a domestic truck.
This is just my opinion. I only offered it because it was asked for.
The only vessel I burst is one from laughing....I do print these out...and show others just how dumb the import crowd is..
Please keep it up..
Here is the Tundra crowd summed up..
http://www.teleweb.net/mgdvhman/TindraOwners.wav
I got some partys to enjoy....
I'll bring your comments with me..
Keep up the good work...
- Tim
The only GM product I've ever
liked (and could rely on) is/was their 4.3l six. It has proven itself time and time again (it's the
powerplant in my 19' SeaRay)
Then ya cut down that SB V8. Reckin ya aint knowin that 4.3 be that SB V8 with the 2 front ones lopped off now!
Then ya said:
As far as longevity goes, Toyota's vehicles
are at the top, and have been for many years.
Reckon ya aint heard of them head-gaskets popin after 60k now! Ya best learn the truth on them facts, not just what folks be sayin now. Good luck on this one now!
Seems your Tundra envy is flaring up. In my experience people resort to name calling when they realize that they have lost an argument.
You keep whining and crying "It ain't full size". You need to face reality.
Maybe in a few years GM can get their act together and address their serious quality problems. You need to pull your head out of the sand.
Here are some facts:
4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm
3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html
1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
the Year!
12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
http://www.motortrend.com/
5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
quality survey rankings by J.D. Power
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/04/companies/wires/carsurvey_wg/
http://www.trucktrend.com/daily/daily_f.html
They are increasing capacity from 100,000 vehicles a year to 250,000.
Too bad all the men buy American..
But on paper it's so much better!
.."You READ IT!...Must be true!"
- Tim
Maybe even some day YOU will believe what you are saying?....Cuz I sure don't..
- Tim
Is the size of the truck the only thing that matters??? So I guess Chevy's are the only "Fullsize" BIG3 because they have the longest truck.
This size issue with the Tundra is rediculous. Yes it's smaller than all the BIG3. The BIG3 all are smaller/larger than eachother, also.
The people that don't like Tundra are mostly people that ONLY buy American. The backseat is the only thing lacking in the Tundra. Although when I peeked in a Dodge Ram the backseat looked the same.
Let me know one person who can't fit in the front seat of the Tundra. It's smaller than the BIG3 but god damn, not everyone wants to drive a semi around. Also, not many people haul the maximum payload, and Tundra comes close in all respects to the BIG3.
Your tradeoff for a smaller backseat and slightly smaller payloads is a truck with a proven reliable brand and motor and a powertrain warranty to prove it. The BIG3 definately do have advantages, but I not buy a Dodge/Chevy if my life depended on it.
We are all too stupid to put complete faith in reviews from less than independent publications.
Instead we have to rely on our own judgement - consideration of our needs, weighing up options, building a package that suits our needs and then paying a reasonable amount of money for it.
Life would be so much easier if we could just buy into the hype and be lucky enough to have a truck that we paid more for, had option groups that were specified to us, and was smaller than a full size but larger than a mid size.
But no, us poor fools are too stupid to have worked that out.
Dohh!!!
However, the domestic trucks have more capability/options, cost less, keep my American brothers and sisters in jobs that help strengthen the US economy, so....I keep buying American.
Yeah, I just traded my Silverado off because of some very minute problems. I am very nitpicky. The problems I had were no worse than can be found on any brand new Tundra. I also just have a bad habit of getting new trucks very often. I can afford it, so I do. My choice.
I also test drove a Tundra while my new F150 was being prepped for delivery. I was way less than remotely impressed at all. I would have kept my Silverado any day before buying a brand new "Flawless" (if there is one) Tundra.
Not everybody buys on blind loyalty. I do however, believe in keeping money in America. I have bought two imports in my past, and I felt very guilty each time. My wife drove the purchase as they were both for her to primarily drive. I won't buy another one, no matter what she say's.
Toyota's are not perfect or even marginally more reliable than any other truck. Their parts cost more "WHEN" they break down too.
I have done the math. Domestics are a much better investment all the way around.
Trucksrme- what's up with your preoccupation with size? Is there something you'd like to tell us? I've heard stories of horrible "shrinkage" side-effects from prolonged exposure to butter beans. Better see the local sawbones 'fore it's too late...good luck on that one now-
Tim-How long do these episodes of chest-beating usually last? Do you have some inner need to be "right", or is it just a symptom of some deep and dark "past childhood" thing? Cut the pedantic vitriol, please.....
Quark-WTF you doin' in this room anyway? You knew that if you stepped in sh- you'd get some on you, right? Go back to your safe little DC boards and leave these poor bastids alone in their misery...
I didn't think that Toyota vs. America
could crack me up like that. A couple
of questions/observations.
. Does the towing ability really matter?
(my apologies to you folks that actually
move gravel/drywall/whatever). Around
here (Northern California, in the Sierras,
_not_ the Bay area) I never see trucks
with anything in them (occasionally a
horse trailer). The sole purpose of a
3/4 ton 4x4 truck seems to be
movement of 150 pounds worth of middle
aged man (the sticking out ears are the
giveaway). Exceptions to this rule seem
to be limited to fleet truck buyers, construction
firms and the like. I haven't seen any
cement company Tundras, but you never know.
. Does interior room matter? If you're using
a pickup as a family car, I suggest you go
look at a Crown Victoria or whatever, they're
faster and (lots)safer.
. Does buying American matter? Just look at the
Japanese economy. They're harvesting the fruits
of a nationalistic, closed system. Determining
nation of origin is probably useless anyway.
(Daimler-Chrysler is pretty ironic given their
WWII product lines).
Just stirring the pot..
I'd have to say they will last as long as I say they do...got it?
- Tim
Yeah, I know....this is way off topic.
I have about 300 miles on my truck now. Another 200 miles and I am switching to synthetic.
John Elway Toyota (Autonation) 181 in stock
Tundra X-Cab V8 4x4 $24,999
Stevinson Toyota discount on Tundra V8 4x4 X-Cab $3400 off msrp.
That's todays report. My Silverado is a keeper.
Do they really have 181 Tundras(or anything!) in stock? That must be one heckuva big dealership!