Did you recently take on (or consider) a loan of 84 months or longer on a car purchase?
A reporter would like to speak with you about your experience; please reach out to PR@Edmunds.com by 7/25 for details.
A reporter would like to speak with you about your experience; please reach out to PR@Edmunds.com by 7/25 for details.
Options
Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
DDOOOHHHHH!!
..second??....DOHHHHH
..third?.....dohhhhhh!
last?..Ahhhhh
- Tim
Maybe if they put the biggest engine in it.... Doh!
Maybe the lowest gears... Doh!
Maybe if they redesigned it ... Doh!
Oh well, maybe next time.
Last in sales....that's gotta hurt
- Tim
Why can't Chevy compete with the Tundra?
That answer be simple. Cuz that Chevy be competein with them other big3 trucks. That tundra be competin with hondas, and nissans, and such. That Chevy be for the workin man, them tundras be for the yuppie chasin the fad. That Chevy be for folks that need em too last and work long. That tundra need too be "car like" and just last as long as that fad. As folks can see, that Chevy and that tundra dont be competein at all. Good luck on this one now!
The yuppies around here all drive new Suburbans, Silverados, SuperDuty's, or yes, the Tundra.
Size of the truck isn't as important as the reliability of the truck-guess that's why GM products suck hind titty when it comes to being used for real "work." Course, I don't know about real farm use-I just live in the world's largest farming community in the world, Central Valley, CA....where we grow the food that you and the entire world eats. (Unless you live on a strict diet of butter beans.)
Most of the full-size Chevys out here in the "real" country are owned by the "boss" of the construction crew and the only thing they carry are the magnetic signs on the doors. Wearin' a flannel shirt, cowboy boots, and a pager pretty well describes your average construction boss, who's usually on a cell phone talking to the real workers on the job site. Or hanging out at the local 7-11 enjoying the A/C, while eating a Slurpee. Take a look at your local construction site. You'll see a few GM products, but the majority of trucks will small Rangers, S-10's, Dakotas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc. When it comes to the "real workin' man", your statement about "full-size" just ain't true. Course, you probably have a scathing response to this post, which will require much preparation, so I'll let you go-Good luck on this one now!
- Tim
...why do you think I see what goes on here??
LOL
- Tim
I'll start by saying there is indeed only 3 in the big 3, I'm almost tempted to really say there are only 2, but I'll give the Dodge a little credit since it is at least "full size". The Japanese must have been measuring in centimeters rather than inches and missed the size somewhere on that design.
I love my 2000 GMC - and it is 100% trouble free for the first 2000 miles, not much yet, I'll admit. But not a better running more comfortable, better looking truck in its class.
My proof to go along with that. I left the magazine at home, but it is the current issue of Automobile magazine. They wrap up their test of the new GM truck. Their rating - the BEST of the big 3. And even they know and admit there are only 3 in the big 3. They do real world testing and drive the trucks and use them for several months. It is a good article - they point out the bad points as well, every truck has it's faults, every one of them. The good news here, GM has worked on and corrected in 2000 every thing they talked about - I believe that had a '99 in the test.
As well for a definition of a work truck, I come from Central Oklahoma and have lived in Texas for the last 12 years I've been around farms and ranches, oil fields, and construction sites. I've never seen anyone call anything less than a half ton GM or Ford and sometimes a Dodge, a work truck. The only people I've seen call a Ranger, Toyota, or even an S10 a work truck was maybe a lawn guy or the pool guys or someone like that. If you're on the farm/ranch or construction site it'll be a big 3 half ton or more. I'm also going to admit, that if you're talking serious work truck, GM has been behind the past few years, I honestly think that Ford has owned the one ton market for sure. But that only happened after they introduced the Powerstroke diesel. That reign will end this year now that GM has the new HD trucks and their new diesel.
So thats my take on it, blast away. But there is only one truck - my version of it is at http://www.netcom.com/~gdn .
Greg
I did my homework, drove everything and ended up with my Tundra. 9000 miles later not one problem, and the best truck I have ever owned and the best truck on the market for me.
I do think my Tundra has advantages over your GM, I also think your GM has advantages over my Tundra. What the hell. I love my truck and don't mind writing that check every month. I hope everybody feels the same, because it is horrible to pay that much money for something you are not completely satisfied with.
Regarding your GM did you happen to see TRUCKS on Sunday. I think it is on TNN. They had a Prototype GM Contractors series 3/4 ton. It was awesome. It had all kinds of containers, blue print holders, tool holders, a battery recharging bank that held 3 or 4 batteries, a generator built into the engine bay, a loading ramp. It was a really cool truck. Of course the thing would probably cost like 60K.
Motor Trend picked this truck configuration claiming it to be the most popular one. But the comparison could have been done with a different configuration (with emphasis on other performance parameters). Maybe regular cab/short bed/4x4 -- OOPS Tundra doesn't have this. Maybe extended cab/long bed/4x4 -- OOPS. Maybe any 2wd with limited slip axle -- OOPS. Maybe any 3/4 ton or 1 ton -- OOPS.
Maybe Motor Trend is bending over backwards to help the newcomer get more than 4% of the full-size market. However, Toyota already knows that it cannot make much of an impact in the full-size market (because of the variety of configurations/options) and still make money. Watch Toyota's new vehicle intros and you will see that their focus is on the expanding SUV's market because it has fewer options and bigger profit margins.
LOL
Larry
Like DLR said when someone told him something they read about him...
"You READ it!?....MUST be true!"
- Tim
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who not all there!
Funny how them yuppies always be equatin "uneducated" and that "South" together now. This be called bein ignorant of that fact now. Ponder this, if them yuppies be so smart, why they so easily tricked on that "size" of them limited ones? Good luck on this one now!
Trucksrme occasionally makes sense (albeit quite repetitive) until he mentions something about Massey-Fergusons being good farming tractors. The only thing I've seen a Massey do worth a damn is disc a garden or do light bushhogging (that's probably what he uses one for). If you want a real farm tractor, everyone knows that John Deere is king of the hill.
Owned and driven both. Not biased to any make. Just calling it like I see em. a year and a half ago I would definitely have said different.
fordrme, what color is the sky in your world???
Glad you are impressed with your Silverado.
And I think your right too Bartlitz. You see too many people that own a bad Chevy or Ford or whatever then bad mouth that brand. It's almost like brand loyality but reverse (brand unloyality) and that's no better. I've had my share of lemons from Chevy and Ford, but still would buy another one of their products cause this s#&t happens...
F150 (brand new). I am not crying over spilt milk, I am not bashing one or the other, and I still bought another one of the two brands.
Am I a brand "unloyalist"?
As far as I'm concerned...the Silverado kick the **** out of the ford on all these! If you like that BUBBLEBOY look of the fords, good for you.
rcoos
p.s. #287 trucksrme......well, I can see why some people in the south still fly that rebel flag! Oh, by the way the civil war is over & the south lost!
Thanks.
-quark
But to the Chevy's corner, the ping is not prevelant on all the trucks. Some have it. Some dont. Some have it worse. Some have it less, depending on where (altitude, gas quality, etc.) they live.
I had the pinging problem with my past Silverado 5.3l and cleared 98% of it by changing the plugs to a copper core (better conductivity and lower cylinder temps).
Another thing to mention is my brother in law got one of the pinging C/K trucks with the 350 engine.
To this day, 208,000 miles later, still has the same light ping. Still runs like a striped ape. All the same powertrain and no rebuilds. It will easily go another 50-75k miles and when in the end, can be overhauled very easily and CHEAPLY! (around 300 for an overhaul kit using the same pistons) A brand new 350 engine from the factory is about $1,800. I have heard that the 4.7l Tundra engine is in the neighborhood of $7,000.
Lets see, 1,800.....7,000....I do believe I would rather pay 1,800.
Gimme a break..
What is it about Dodge and Toy owners that come up with the lamest excuses?
- Tim
you're convincing yourself, but not anyone else what's better. How in the hell does OHC prevent pinging? how does OHC allow better combustion chamber design? It doesn't! If the OHC's could breathe so much better, why were GM's pushrod engines developing more horsepower and torque than Ford's OHC every year of existence until this year? GM figured out how to make an engine breathe back in '96 with the Vortec head design. It had everything to do with intake runners, and condition of the entry air. And had nothing to do with where the cam was placed. In '98 Ford basically copied GM's air intake design, and boosted the hp of the 5.4 significantly. Go check out the archives of Popular Mechanics over the past 4 years, they chronicle this progression.
Ping has absolutely nothing to do with cam placement. Ping is caused by too much spark advance. Cams don't control your sparkplug.
I agree with DBhull's last statement. The GM pushrod model is simple, cheap, and just as effective. Why build a $5,000 engine, when you can design a $2000 engine to do the same thing?
- Tim