They also need to check for insurance on the vehicles as well. That applies at all ages.
It's a good idea to have insurance, but not all states require drivers to have insurance.
The local police are very generous with their overage allowed
Because most police understand the speed limits are set too low, so that they can write tickets and have a reason to pullover people they think are otherwise criminal. Most police I've observed driving don't follow the speed limits.
recently i read in autoweek that there are only about 3 states with extra-strict rules for senior drivers, over age 65 or 75. NH is one of them - for 'senior' drivers NH requires them to show up at DMV for new eye test & photo every 2 years instead of every 4. fwiw.
Transport Canada is testing a speed limiting device on cars owned by habitual speeders. It's basically a gizmo that combines a GPS, speed-limit map, and an undisclosed way to manually override a car’s controls.
This, I predict, will turn into a horrible mess. I drove through that section on Saturday, and the signage was confusing at best. The rates change moment to moment and are posted every mile or two AND THEY ARE CUMULATIVE. It is possible to rack up over $9.00 in tolls in just a few miles if you remain in the toll lane during HOV hours.
And when are HOV hours? During designated rush hours Monday through Friday and anytime the "average speed" on the highway drops below 45MPH. In other words... you never know for certain.
Also, "The lane continues to remain free to cars with two or more passengers". So how do they know whether or not to charge your transponder account for the toll, unless they have someone looking at each vehicle as it passes each toll section??? :sick:
Of course, if you are inadvertently charged in error, I'm sure that it will be a simple matter to have the overcharges reversed.
james (happy that he rarely drives that route) :shades:
We can kick the idiots out of office come November including all members of the Legislature who voted for this plus the Governess who signed the authorization.
Why does one political party strive to increase or have more taxes? :sick:
The entire system needs an overhaul...choosing the identical clown in a different suit won't help much. Rossi or Gregoire (or weasely crony capitalist McGavick) - what would really change? I haven't seen any viable transportation infrastructure plans from either side of the aisle.
One side does like to talk of cutting taxes...but they never have the guts to cut spending in the long run...and spending is the problem :sick:
I want to know how much the signage cost, along with the road modifications, and how long those costs will take to be recouped from the tolls (not from our badge-wearing revenue collectors cherry picking along the route). Tens of thousands were burned on the road dots project...this little idiot festival cost seven figures I have no doubt.
I heard on the radio by using these lanes one could have saved up to 10 minutes at the height of the morning rush. Wow!
405 and 167 are some of the most ridiculous roads in the northwest - barely updated while population has tripled, and a paradise for LLCs and those without situational awareness.
& expect the ferry system to be more self supporting. Riding the Bremerton Ferry is the most bang for the buck as far as subsidizing rural living is concerned. WSP patroling the ferries? What's the speed limit on the car deck to be enforced?
The gas tax is to be applied to where the gasoline is used, there would be a lot of $ available to build more highways, lay more concrete, and cross more streams without raising the gas tax any more. The EV and GW nuts need to understand they too are to honor the automobile and as such promote and provide for it.
What's the gas tax there? That was always the WA state excuse to not have tolls - the taxes are the highest in the US, so it makes up for it. Not anymore.
When the new bridges across Lake Washington are built, they will carry similar tolls.
Sounds very similar to here. Any tolls we get will certainly never go away...and I'd bank on there never being a truly viable mass market public transportation system, either.
pretty good. I'd be pretty upset if I was one that was ticketed and towed, but I'd be even more upset if at 4 pm when I should be able to use the 2nd lane, I couldn't because there were people still parked there.
Wonder if that means that after 4 pm if you hit a parked car in that lane is it the other drivers fault for being illegally parked ?
Okay, it's late and I should be in bed, but as I was closing up, see this forum in my tracked items reminded me of two things I have seen in the past couple days.... both were odd.
One was a speed limit sign that also had a date for which it was in effect... Sept 1st thru Mar 1st or something like that. Other than that there was no alternate limit posted. Does that mean that between Mar 1st and Sep 1st there is no limit on that stretch of road? Also in this particular area that I live in OR (I just moved here), ther are speed zones that have limits, but then there is an "end speed zone" sign. So what would the limit be after that "end speed zone" sign?? Is it also a "no limit" area?
The 2nd thing I saw was yesterday on the way home and it was really odd. It was an '07 Tahoe that had a pole attatched to it's front end that stuck up about 15 ft. It was just taller than a Semi trailer. Don't know what the pole was for, but the Tahoe was going about 75-80 on the freeway. I assume it was some sort of measuring device, but for what I have no idea. The Tahoe also had an out of state license plate...
I say WHAT! Anytime the goverment wants to stick its nose futher into my life I get a little perturbed. You know how many miles a day I drive? Here's an idea, instead of taxing the snot out already high priced gasoline and finding ways to track where people have been and how far they are going, why not raise vehicle registration rates?
Not that I am in favor of that, but I know the state needs money to pay for new roads otherwise we would all be driving on dirt, so why not increase the registration rates? I would be more in favor of that than a tax on how much I drive!! Since I am not originally from Oregon and having just recently moved here, I can attest that the vehicle registration rates could probably be increased a little with out much flak... I paid LESS when I moved here to register 3 vehicles for 2 years and get them emissions tested than I paid for 2 vehicles in AZ to get them registered and tested for 1 year.
I also think it stinks that you have to have those inspections on your windshield... I don't like that anymore than a license plate on the front. Just my feelings, so I guess it's a good thing I don't live in NY
aw we may not like it but I think I would much rather have that than say a linked electronic registration that tracks when the registration is about to expire and then when it does a signal is sent and you get a fine in the mail because your registration has expired - that goes along with my feelings on a GPS tracking system for tracking how many miles you drive and then taxing you for it.
Not that I know of a system like this that has been proposed anywhere, but I'm sure some governmental buearucrat will think of it sometime.
I have lived in two different states and have noticed a couple of things about how the two differ in the ways that they control traffic. Most noticeable is the Red to Green change. In AZ, where I grew up, all intersections that I have come across that have a stoplight, have a period of "all Red". In Oregon where I now live, I have noticed that the stoplight do not have an "all red", but rather an instant red to green. My opinion is that the "all red" is better, because it creates a more cautious situation I think...
In the neighborhood where I lived in Mesa AZ, I would routinely see patrol cars roll through my street late at night. One time I happened to be out in digging through my truck looking for something when one rolled by and he stopped and wanted to know what I was doing. It was after midnight and so he wanted to make sure that I wasn't a thief. I think my shorts on a cold night and no shoes were a pretty good giveaway that I actually lived at the house.
I saw something the other day that aggravated me...
Our church parking lot has an entrance that is somewhat odd to get in and out of. To get to it you have to go through a small commercial plot before you enter the parking lot. And to exit you have to go up and around out of the way from the way you came in because where you came in at is a right turn only. This particular right turn only is new because of a new Wal-mart being built across the street.
On top of that, the road just past the parking lot entrance is closed completely because of the Walmart construction and the re-locating of the roadway. As you can see from my rough drawing you can enter just fine, but to get out, you "must" go North, then west, and the finally south to get back to the highway, whereas before you could just exit, make a left and go to the highway. I understand the reasoning behind the right turn only as when the Wal-mart opens the traffic is expected to be heavy and being so close to the highway, left turns should be minimized.
But right now traffic is nil becasue Walmart isn't open and the road is basically closed. Limited to the bank traffic and church traffic. Also light traffic for the road that runs north behind the church. But right now the city seems to be low on funds as they have stationed an officer at the corner of the highway and the bank to catch anyone making a left turn from the right turn only. It is marked and there is a concrete "barrier", but it is still possible with out much effort to still make a left turn. I know why it's there, but at this point in time, there is no need as there is no traffic and no real need to waste time going up and around and out of the way. So a lot of people (including myself sometimes) ignore the right turn only and make a left turn.
A few people have been pulled over (this being 9 PM at night when traffic is virtually nil anyway) and ticketed. The officer knows when there will be people at the church and waits for them to leave and make that illegal turn. I would like to suppose that he is trying to teach people that this is not allowed and that when the Wal-mart opens, it can be really dangerous to make that kind of a left turn. But is there really any point to ticketing people at 9 PM at night on a road that has no traffic because is basically closed?
Then to top it all off, one night he was sitting there ready to pull people over, but this time he wasn't at the corner, but almost to the parking lot so you would have to pass him on your way to the exit. I was just getting ready to leave and I watched him pull out and leave. And did he make the right turn to go up and around?? NO! He went straight and made the "illegal" left turn like everyone else he had pulled over for doing so! That is what aggrevated me. Okay fine. If you feel you need to fill you city's coffers by pulling people over for commiting a harmless "crime" and teach someone a "lesson" so be it. I don't have a problem going up and around. It takes all of about 30 extra seconds and when the Walmart opens, I'll have to do so anyway because of traffic. But if you are going to do that, at least have the decency to do the same your self....
I'm not sure what the law is here in OR - as to whether or not you can be pulled over strictly for not wearing your seatbelt - but I still think it's kind of silly.
The seatbelt law is a good one, but I will have to admit that I don't IMMEDIATELY put it on when I get into the car. Usually it's as I am pulling out and or all ready on the road. It's a bad habit I know, but at least I wear the seat belt and I never get more than 50 yards from my starting point before getting it on.
I guess you could add that to the list of things that cause distractions since I am not "focused" on driving but on getting my seat belt. Usually this happens while changing CD's and dialing the phone and checking my map so I know where I need to go and rolling down the window so there's a breeze while trying to drink from my water bottle..... :P .... Hey, I still have a knee to drive with right??
a couple years ago, I used to drive 4K+ miles a months. That's a lot of road time and so that also increases the chance that I will get pulled over. I think I was pulled over about once every other month or so, but only recieved a ticket once. And that ticket was a no points ticket for going 65 in a 55. In all cases I had a good attitude and I was never going very far over... the 65 in a 55 was actually 70 in a 55 which I thought was still a 65 area. Other times it was usually 70+ in a 65.
GLENS FALLS--A city man was arrested Saturday morning for allegedly driving a lawn tractor on Glen Street while under the influence of marijuana, city police said.
Police charged Donald Johnson,42 with driving while ability impaired, driving without headlights or seatbelts and driving an unregistered vehicle. Riding on the hood of the tractor, Johnson's passenger, Carl Critelli, 49 was ticketed for not wearing a seat belt.
I'm so glad the local LEOs are keeping the citizens safe. I can only imagine how many people are killed each year while mowing their lawns without a seat belt.
My only question, where do I go to get plates for my roto-tiller, Motor Vehicles or the Farm Bureau? :confuse:
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I received three tickets worth 4 insurance points. I asked for a trial though i know the insurance points can be negotiated down by pleading guilty. I am convinced of my innocence and I believe this case could be a case of bias on the part of the officer and his unbecoming behavior towards a member of the public. I intend to represent myself in court.
What are the financial and other consequences if I lose as this could happen since I am challenging the environment.
Thanks for your honest answers and helpful advise.
I'm sure the town would be safer still if the police just setup roadblocks, and asked EVERY driver for identification and why they wanted to drive into town. If the people didn't live there, or didn't have a confirmed business appointment there, then the police could just turn them away.
If you didn't get my attempt at sarcasm, let me just state - that we shouldn't be moving towards an Orwellian state.
Next thing you know, we'll have people promoting that the State Police should have predator-drones to stop fleeing traffic-stop suspects.
"Drivers of the Mercedes-Benz SL-Class roadster topped the list, with four times the number of violations compared with the average. But, not surprisingly, the car Toyota designed expressly for Gen 'Y'ers, the Scion, had not one but two entries in the top ten."
Could it also have something do do with selective enforcement? CLK63 is a pretty rare bird, I wouldn't have believed statistically valid info would exist for it to begin with.
Although maybe not, as some of the others are pretty believable.
Funny thing, while jogging this afternoon I actually saw a CLK63. It was a cabrio...very rare thing.
I wish the old people around here drove like that. In my area they merge onto a highway at 38, then immediately head for the leftmost lane and go 45-50 as traffic moves 60-65.
Two cars are at an intersection. One has a stop sign and arrives there first. The other arrives there second and does not have a stop sign. Who has the right of way?
I'd think the car with the stop sign is obligated to stay stopped unless it can cross the road without impeding the car that doesn't have the sign - the sign trumps all in that case.
You'd think, right? Some drivers aren't capable of understanding that fact.
A few years ago I was going through an intersection where I had NO stop sign and the driver coming from my right did. As I entered the intersection he pulled out in front of me and I nearly hit him. I tooted my horn to express my anger.
He yelled back at me "Hey, I was here first". Go figure.
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It's a good idea to have insurance, but not all states require drivers to have insurance.
The local police are very generous with their overage allowed
Because most police understand the speed limits are set too low, so that they can write tickets and have a reason to pullover people they think are otherwise criminal. Most police I've observed driving don't follow the speed limits.
bumpy, "Speedometer Inflation" #13, 14 Jan 2008 11:34 am
Transport Canada is testing a speed limiting device on cars owned by habitual speeders. It's basically a gizmo that combines a GPS, speed-limit map, and an undisclosed way to manually override a car’s controls.
And when are HOV hours? During designated rush hours Monday through Friday and anytime the "average speed" on the highway drops below 45MPH. In other words... you never know for certain.
Also, "The lane continues to remain free to cars with two or more passengers". So how do they know whether or not to charge your transponder account for the toll, unless they have someone looking at each vehicle as it passes each toll section???
:sick:
Of course, if you are inadvertently charged in error, I'm sure that it will be a simple matter to have the overcharges reversed.
james (happy that he rarely drives that route) :shades:
Why does one political party strive to increase or have more taxes? :sick:
One side does like to talk of cutting taxes...but they never have the guts to cut spending in the long run...and spending is the problem :sick:
I heard on the radio by using these lanes one could have saved up to 10 minutes at the height of the morning rush. Wow!
405 and 167 are some of the most ridiculous roads in the northwest - barely updated while population has tripled, and a paradise for LLCs and those without situational awareness.
The gas tax is to be applied to where the gasoline is used, there would be a lot of $ available to build more highways, lay more concrete, and cross more streams without raising the gas tax any more. The EV and GW nuts need to understand they too are to honor the automobile and as such promote and provide for it.
Pretty soon WA will have both the highest gas taxes in the country, and toll roads.
-mike
When the new bridges across Lake Washington are built, they will carry similar tolls.
PS: The bridges here were built in the 50s and have been long paid for and it doesn't cost $9/car to maintain them....
-mike
Wonder if that means that after 4 pm if you hit a parked car in that lane is it the other drivers fault for being illegally parked ?
One was a speed limit sign that also had a date for which it was in effect... Sept 1st thru Mar 1st or something like that. Other than that there was no alternate limit posted. Does that mean that between Mar 1st and Sep 1st there is no limit on that stretch of road? Also in this particular area that I live in OR (I just moved here), ther are speed zones that have limits, but then there is an "end speed zone" sign. So what would the limit be after that "end speed zone" sign?? Is it also a "no limit" area?
The 2nd thing I saw was yesterday on the way home and it was really odd. It was an '07 Tahoe that had a pole attatched to it's front end that stuck up about 15 ft. It was just taller than a Semi trailer. Don't know what the pole was for, but the Tahoe was going about 75-80 on the freeway. I assume it was some sort of measuring device, but for what I have no idea. The Tahoe also had an out of state license plate...
Not that I am in favor of that, but I know the state needs money to pay for new roads otherwise we would all be driving on dirt, so why not increase the registration rates? I would be more in favor of that than a tax on how much I drive!! Since I am not originally from Oregon and having just recently moved here, I can attest that the vehicle registration rates could probably be increased a little with out much flak... I paid LESS when I moved here to register 3 vehicles for 2 years and get them emissions tested than I paid for 2 vehicles in AZ to get them registered and tested for 1 year.
Not that I know of a system like this that has been proposed anywhere, but I'm sure some governmental buearucrat will think of it sometime.
Kind of like saying if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?
Our church parking lot has an entrance that is somewhat odd to get in and out of. To get to it you have to go through a small commercial plot before you enter the parking lot. And to exit you have to go up and around out of the way from the way you came in because where you came in at is a right turn only. This particular right turn only is new because of a new Wal-mart being built across the street.
On top of that, the road just past the parking lot entrance is closed completely because of the Walmart construction and the re-locating of the roadway. As you can see from my rough drawing you can enter just fine, but to get out, you "must" go North, then west, and the finally south to get back to the highway, whereas before you could just exit, make a left and go to the highway. I understand the reasoning behind the right turn only as when the Wal-mart opens the traffic is expected to be heavy and being so close to the highway, left turns should be minimized.
But right now traffic is nil becasue Walmart isn't open and the road is basically closed. Limited to the bank traffic and church traffic. Also light traffic for the road that runs north behind the church. But right now the city seems to be low on funds as they have stationed an officer at the corner of the highway and the bank to catch anyone making a left turn from the right turn only. It is marked and there is a concrete "barrier", but it is still possible with out much effort to still make a left turn. I know why it's there, but at this point in time, there is no need as there is no traffic and no real need to waste time going up and around and out of the way. So a lot of people (including myself sometimes) ignore the right turn only and make a left turn.
A few people have been pulled over (this being 9 PM at night when traffic is virtually nil anyway) and ticketed. The officer knows when there will be people at the church and waits for them to leave and make that illegal turn. I would like to suppose that he is trying to teach people that this is not allowed and that when the Wal-mart opens, it can be really dangerous to make that kind of a left turn. But is there really any point to ticketing people at 9 PM at night on a road that has no traffic because is basically closed?
Then to top it all off, one night he was sitting there ready to pull people over, but this time he wasn't at the corner, but almost to the parking lot so you would have to pass him on your way to the exit. I was just getting ready to leave and I watched him pull out and leave. And did he make the right turn to go up and around?? NO! He went straight and made the "illegal" left turn like everyone else he had pulled over for doing so! That is what aggrevated me. Okay fine. If you feel you need to fill you city's coffers by pulling people over for commiting a harmless "crime" and teach someone a "lesson" so be it. I don't have a problem going up and around. It takes all of about 30 extra seconds and when the Walmart opens, I'll have to do so anyway because of traffic. But if you are going to do that, at least have the decency to do the same your self....
The seatbelt law is a good one, but I will have to admit that I don't IMMEDIATELY put it on when I get into the car. Usually it's as I am pulling out and or all ready on the road. It's a bad habit I know, but at least I wear the seat belt and I never get more than 50 yards from my starting point before getting it on.
I guess you could add that to the list of things that cause distractions since I am not "focused" on driving but on getting my seat belt. Usually this happens while changing CD's and dialing the phone and checking my map so I know where I need to go and rolling down the window so there's a breeze while trying to drink from my water bottle..... :P .... Hey, I still have a knee to drive with right??
Police charged Donald Johnson,42 with driving while ability impaired, driving without headlights or seatbelts and driving an unregistered vehicle. Riding on the hood of the tractor, Johnson's passenger, Carl Critelli, 49 was ticketed for not wearing a seat belt.
I'm so glad the local LEOs are keeping the citizens safe. I can only imagine how many people are killed each year while mowing their lawns without a seat belt.
My only question, where do I go to get plates for my roto-tiller, Motor Vehicles or the Farm Bureau? :confuse:
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There are lots of rigs you can operate while intoxicated that will make you a menace to others. Bicycles, for example. link
"Barrel" horses are exempt.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009873854_medina16m.html
Murders have been solved by knowing the comings and goings of the murderer's car.
I give it a big thumbs up !!!
What are the financial and other consequences if I lose as this could happen since I am challenging the environment.
Thanks for your honest answers and helpful advise.
If you didn't get my attempt at sarcasm, let me just state - that we shouldn't be moving towards an Orwellian state.
Next thing you know, we'll have people promoting that the State Police should have predator-drones to stop fleeing traffic-stop suspects.
Does What We Drive Affect How We Drive (verisk.com)
Although maybe not, as some of the others are pretty believable.
One theory is that it's such a rare bird, cops pull them over to get a look at them.
And this must be another one of those stereotypical drivers you keep saying you have up in the NW corner of the country:
Woman, 82, Gets $1,103 Speeding Ticket (Fox8)
I wish the old people around here drove like that. In my area they merge onto a highway at 38, then immediately head for the leftmost lane and go 45-50 as traffic moves 60-65.
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You'd think, right? Some drivers aren't capable of understanding that fact.
A few years ago I was going through an intersection where I had NO stop sign and the driver coming from my right did. As I entered the intersection he pulled out in front of me and I nearly hit him. I tooted my horn to express my anger.
He yelled back at me "Hey, I was here first". Go figure.
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