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Is Doc some sort of new lifeform?
Honda is the greenest car company sold in the U.S.
The shibboleth having to do with Asians preferring to refine, as opposed to innovate, comes to mind.
A (way) long time ago, an early Honda motorcycle engine was analyzed as being "built like a watch and not a copy of anything."
The "built like a watch" piece fits most Asian companies to this day.
The other piece? Not so much.
What? Take a Risk? Lose face? Mr. Honda went for it, face be damned. Some of these other guys I'm not so sure about.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Ever heard of the Patriot Act! Jeez! :mad:
DrFill
I could be pretty efficient/green too, if I COULDN'T build a truck.
I guess the Harbor Report doesn't ring a bell with you over there? I think Toyota's doing pretty good.
DrFill
Ah maybe so, but they can build a JET!
Pretty good for a company that is not about the luxury.
They're doin' there thing. They'll be alright.
You really have to learn to share the spotlight with others.
Like me!
DrFill
3) Jim asked me if I'd driven a few new GM models -- namely, the Cadillac CTS, the Chevrolet Malibu, and the Buick Enclave crossover. "Yes to all three," I replied. "And they are all really, really good." Jim stared at me a minute, then smiled again. "Damn! I was afraid of that!" He knows full well that GM is going all-out to resurrect itself, and he has nothing but the highest admiration for the strides inspired by GM vice chairman Bob Lutz. "He's tough," Farley admits. "He's pushing us hard." Farley, unlike many wags in the biz, does not think GM is dead and gone.
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You've got that right!! And they build some mean F1 engines also.
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Lexus, the top-selling luxury brand in the U.S., is studying high- performance hybrids to appeal to buyers who want something sporty while being environmentally friendly.
Lexus may build such gasoline-electric models to reach ``enthusiast groups'' outside its core market, General Manager Jim Farley said in an interview yesterday.
More-powerful models may help Toyota meet a goal of extending its hybrid dominance in the U.S...
``The benefit of electric drives is immediately available torque,'' said Eric Fedewa, an analyst at CSM Worldwide Inc. in Northville, Michigan. ``The Lexus hybrids have been tuned for performance to some extent, but there's potential for a true high-performance hybrid. That could be an exciting vehicle.''
Lexus also is studying ``a hybrid that's engineered for really high mileage and really low emissions,'' Farley said, without elaborating.
...Lexus is watching to see how consumers react to General Motors Corp.'s proposed Volt plug-in hybrid, intended to go 40 miles solely on electricity before the engine engages, and Tesla Motors Inc.'s battery-powered sports car that promises 245 miles of all-electric range, Farley said.
A rechargeable Lexus hybrid with extended electric range is possible, though an improved, ``super-efficient'' version of Toyota's current hybrid system may be more likely, he said.
Eyesore a Lucurne today. Is it me, or is it a dead ringer for the new Malibu? Is that a badge job? :confuse:
I can't shovel the dirt on Ford's grave fast enough, doh. They have nothing going on!
They aren't even thinking about having something go on. :sick:
DrFill
And a damn good lawn mower, too! :shades:
TagMan
And I can make a mean paper airplane that can shoot a Honda out of the sky!
But you ain't heard that from me.....SHHHH!
DrFill
Proof of this is that Toyota has joined the Dealer's Alliance lobbying position in Washington, DC to stop improvements in CAFE requirements. Thats right, in those smoke-filled back rooms Toyota is hard at work to hold back improvements in fuel efficiency!!!... so they can sell more of their gas-guzzling trucks and use the Prius as a front for publicity purposes.
Honda, on the other hand is genuine green.
TagMan
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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
And that tragic.
TagMan
Actually, the new Accord does not bode well for the RL at all. Its bigger and roomier than the RL, and its interior is more than a little similar. Its more interesting to look at, and the V6 should be just as fast as the RL. If people thought the RL was a gussied up Accord before...
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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
This is another example of how contrasting Acuras to Hondas makes buyers compelled to buy the Hondas. It's backwards.
The more typical scenario should be like when Toyotas are contrasted to Lexus, and then the buyers are more compelled to want the Lexus.
Hondas are just too good a buy compared to Acuras, and the Acuras should deliver much more of the upscale improvements that one should expect of a luxury vehicle.
TagMan
Oh how I hate being the bearer of bad news but here it is:
Your 02 Acura RL shares a dated platform with an Accord and in fact is nothing more than a gussied up Accord.
I am honored to be of service to forum members especially among those who erroneously thought they bought a luxury car.
Enjoy your overpriced Acura RL Accord :P
Pretty good for a company that is not about the luxury
The words above Doc are true words of wisdom. You have captured the very essence of BMW. BMW is a premium automotive group that produces cars with above average driving dynamics. Bling is not the essence of a BMW nor should it ever be.
Does that mean the BMW V5 model will be cancelled?
I certainly hope so!
http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/09/27/bmw-ceo-confirms-cs-x1-mini-suv-and-rolls-r- oyce-coupe/
Poof! :shades:
DrFill
Your better than that!
DrFill
Toyota should be better than that, Doc... They should be better than that!
If you are going to call them green, then they don't need to join the American carmaker's efforts at putting pressure on Congress, claming that it's too difficult to achieve higher CAFE requirements and lower emmissions... It's totally hypocritical for a company that can make a hybrid clean-exhaust car like the hybrid Camry and the Prius. Like I said, what they REALLY want is to sell more gas-guzzling highly-profitable trucks. And like it or not they have joined the Dealer's Alliance in an attempt to thwart environmentally-friendly legislation.
Honda, however, is not part of that group... So you just go ahead and convince yourself that Toyota is a green company.
However, if we're talking truth here... Honda is the green company... Far beyond Toyota's hypocrisy.
And that's "an inconvenient truth"!
TagMan
The criteria for the greenest auto company should be the one with the lowest CO2 emissions per horsepower and based on that criteria Porsche wins.
Porsche’s contribution to CO2 emissions in traffic less than 0.1 per cent. “
”Porsche has the lowest CO2 emissions per horsepower.“
”Porsche will reduce CO2 emissions by more than 20 per cent by the year 2012.“
”Porsche is introducing the hybrid engine: less than 9 litres fuel consumption on 100 km for a Cayenne.“
Save Mother Earth and buy a Porsche. Now that is one very "Convenient Truth". :shades:
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All I know is that there are two 4 cylinder engines mated together to make a V8 in the A8.
Why? :confuse:
Why would that be the only criteria? There are many other factors that influence a car company's green or non green status. Gas consumption per horsepower would be an interesting one for Porsche...
I agree with that statement.
As much as I love the idea that Porsche is an environmentally-friendly company that produces environmentally-friendly vehicles, there are many things to consider...
How much effort does a company put into R&D towards highly fuel-efficient vehicles with low emissions? How much re-cycled/re-cyclable material is used in the manufacturing process? What is the manufacturer's CAFE? How many gas-guzzlers do they sell?
How much emissions per horsepower? What is the average emissions per a manufacturer's total vehicle sales? Do they actually market a fuel-efficient or "clean" vehicle at all? How safe are their vehicles? What is their lobbying position behind the scenes?... in other words what does the company REALLY stand for?
As Bristol2 posted, there are lots of factors, and lots more than I posted.
TagMan
My logic is flawed if the highest hp cars in general will produce the lowest C02 per hp. But if that is not the case then Porsche will have the greatest potential to become the greenest auto company with their new betrothed partner VW.
Porsche's lowest CO2 emission per hp does not mean much in itself because they will still produce far more emissions per car than other companies because of their high HP engines.
BUT what if they applied their know-how in producing the lowest emissions per hp to the lowest HP VW engines. Then VW-Porsche could easily become the greenest auto company in the world.
As an owner of two of the most fun-to-drive cars that VW and Porsche produce, I can't help but endorse the idea that the VW-Porsche company will emerge as the best manufacturer of cars in the world... whether green or not. LOL.
TagMan
I can buy that.
But that is different than saying hp/ CO2 emissions is the criteria.
:P
Edit: Is Bugatti part of the VW group?
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This is accomplished by a SUV! :surprise: (It's a Toyota Kluger, same as the Highlander here)
Source: Hydrogen Hybrid Toyota drives from Osaka to Tokyo on one tank
The original luxury RL platform was shared downward to the accord. So the economy accord actually rides on a luxury platform not the other way around. Want some salt and pepper?
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The original luxury RL platform was shared downward to the accord. So the economy accord actually rides on a luxury platform not the other way around. Want some salt and pepper
If RL downward platform sharing excites you more than upward sharing so be it! It's still platform sharing.
Pass the salt and pepper please. :shades:
Unless BMW goes bankrupt that aint gonna happen :P
I recall a particular opinion that said they were practically on the verge of going BK.
But, no it isn't going to happen. Thank goodness BMW has reversed its plan for a BMW "R"-class vehicle.
BTW, the 1-series is probably going to end up being the hottest BMW intro EVER in BMW history!!!
TagMan
What company was this? Toyota you say? Imagine that! I can't wait for the price of oil to start dropping! Better get out of those energy stocks now guys!
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Do you really think Toyota would have any problems passing any silly environmental tests? Toyota is right behind Honda, and Honda doesn't sell trucks! This is just good 'ole brown-nosin'! It's a lot easier to totally take the other guy's market from 'em, if you can hold the Domestics hand during this difficult time (this time being Bush still within shouting distance of Washington).
I thought you could see through that? That's an easy one, Tag! Come on, baby!
Your better than that! Lunchtime shots are for the young, Tag! :surprise:
Toyota doesn't need more money. They don't need the Big 3. They don't need to pander to the US Gubment, either.
They just need to Rock On! And build me a shiny new Supra, if they have a second to make the remake a legend. :shades:
DrFill
That's right, Doc! They are lobbying for their OWN interests... the lower the CAFE, the easier it is to sell more gas-guzzling highly-profitable Tundra trucks! It's business, baby! And Toyota knows business.
TagMan
Now that news! Where's your link? :surprise:
Last I checked, Toyota was a close second, behind truckless Honda, and ahead of truckless Hyundai.
I hope there's a point somewhere in our future. :confuse:
DrFill