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Remind me why some companies let good brands die. I need to be educated!
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
If the '09 TL doesn't light my fire, on to bigger and better. I'm shallow, an exterior design has to appeal to me in at least some manner before I consider spending my wife's hard earned $ on it. Interior, too is important. Biggest stumbling block for the 3 series for me is the interior (better sans IDrive screen bubbling up from the dash). Nice materials, lackluster (but, I'm sure ergonomically correct) presentation. Of course, doesn't affect the engine and chasis... And runflats, don't like the idea of 'em...yet?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Sorry I didn`t know it was over there...I found it and thanks for the reply...They said that some of the problem was in the northern part of Spain, so it was near you---but luckily not you...
All the photos you posted were exciting, and it was an era to stand back and be in awe of.....I particularly liked the front seats in the convertable--a roadster--..I think I remember when Mercedes had those rather broad seatbacks that touched across the front seat....They were comfortable, but not anything like the suppor we have today....Things were slower back then---poor roads--so you didn`t slide across the seats as you wern`t going too fast....Take Care Tony
But as folks sung the praises of The Legend, to me, they represented typical Honda style: simple, handsome but somewhat generic (which I think describes the RL and TSX). The prior-gen RL was the box it came in. Acura-wise, the only two cars that, imo, had any real outstanding style were the original Legend Coupe (thank you BMW 635) and the '04 TL. Maybe the NSX, but to me the styling wasn't spectacular. Low and lean, but the rear of the car seemed to be a bit too long, out of proportion...
I kinda had hoped that the '04 TL would set a styling trend w/Acura, but subsequent models (TSX, RL) did not seem to carry that sense of style any further. Hope the '09 TL is a beauty...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Didn't you see the artist's rendering and spy shots?
Don't get your hope up too high...
When unveiled, it will be what it will be. Que sera, sera. Only then will I pass judgment. Then probably sleep on it and change my mind. And again...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Not looking good, dada, not looking good...
:sick:
The EVO uses basically the same method. That's another car thats faster than it has any right to be, thanks to the trick AWD system. These cars are about getting around a corner as fast as absolutely possible, not going tail-crazy or necessarily having the most fun. That means letting the computers and AWD system take over.
I remember driving a Legend coupe and being fairly impressed. It was a good looking car, no Lexus SC but definitely not bad, it had nicely weighted steering and was enjoyable to drive for a big FWD coupe. They've never recovered from turning that into the Acura Buick in '96.
Yeah, I love that style. Automakers were just starting to drop the boxy shapes of the '20s and early '30s and embrace aerodynamics, or at least what they thought were aerodynamic shapes. They were wrong of course, but there's just so much grace and elegance in those swoops and curves.
It seems to me as if Citroens DS19/21 had borrowed thereafter her main body silhouette—not the grill however. Oh! My crazy imagination :surprise:
Regards,
Jose
The drive is addicting. What next????
Regards,
OW
As I posted in other thread here in Edmunds: ' they are great, both on dry and wet pavement. They are summer tires, yet I drove them a couple of times on mountain-road salted asphalt in freezing weather with still good grip (not that I had asked them too much under such a condition).'
Regards,
Jose
Had I chosen the G over the TL in '05, I'm sure I would have been just as happy as that meant I weighted my criteria differently. Still diggin' my TL!
But not diggin' the invoice for the O2 sensor that the Evil Wife's RX needs replaced... :sick: Still, cheaper than buying a new car. Or a couple of gallons of gas! :surprise:
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Gee, a bit Maxima, CTS, GS w/MB S class wheel arches? Hopefully, it's just great camo and what's truly underneath will be lovely...
I've never bought the same car 2x anyway, so probably won't matter to me. I'm fairly sure my next ride will be European. Maybe a Euro delivery if the EW sticks to her guns and insists upon going to Paris next year?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
It looks to me like a new Accord with the new 'Acura nose' on the front. Not my cup of tea...
Maybe a Euro delivery if the EW sticks to her guns and insists upon going to Paris next year?
Now that sounds fun! Make sure you don't end up in a Peugot by mistake! :surprise:
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
That's a 1933 Pierce-Arrow Silver Arrow, another one of my favorites. PAs were elite status symbols of their day, comparable to today's S-Class or Flying Spur. Like the majority of US automakers, they didn't survive the great depression.
But why is the ride that BAD?
It's not terrible, just rough over bumps and potholes. We have a ton of potholes in our area after winter.
But it will look odd. x5 is made to look good with run flats.
:confuse: ...They're all tires. It will look the same either way.
Ok you cleared that no matter how bad the ride quality is should be better than camry at least .
If compare the x5 with run flats to the land cruiser the ride will be definitely for the X5 correct?
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Poor Hondacura... That new TL will be an exaggerated Saturn Aura.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Fire your designers.
Fire your marketers.
Maybe even fire your engineers.
Start over with Acura. Do what Toyota has done with Lexus--make sure everyone who doesn't know much about cars wants one. While you're at it, change the name of the company. "Acura" doesn't scream "luxury" to me.
Who agrees with this assessment?
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
It is too bad as I am on my second MDX, a 2008 and it is a terrific vehicle, who knows how they will be doing in a few years when I'm ready to replace it.
Making cars that people like and that sell in the U.S. is not as easy as you seem to think. If it was some of the insignificant and minor bit players like Audi would take your advice. :shades:
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Let's face it, the current TL is hugely successful.
The MDX is hugely successful.
The Integra was hugely successful.
The RL is a flop.
The RDX just misses in pretty much all categories (luxury, 'oomph' and mileage - at least it should hit one of those!!)
The TSX could make some sense if they looked at what made the Integra successful (aspired to be sporty, looked good, affordable, ran like a top).
I think they could be fine with every model acting as an entry-lux vehicle, everyone likes to bash the TL because it is 'just a nicer Accord', but that clearly has a strong (and large) customer base.
Every iteration of the 'S' models has to have SH-AWD so they can avoid the torque steer issues.
Do something quickly about whoever it is in the design team that thinks the squinty nose is giving Acura a strong brand image.
Don't worry about going head-to-head with the other lux manufacturers.
Maybe it's a new category 'aspirational luxury' or something (that's why I'm not in marketing) but I agree that if they only want to drag themselves up the luxury food-chain, they will be making a mistake.
I guarantee you that a large proportion of average drivers who could give a rat's a$% about rwd would happily cross-shop Acura against other lux makers and go for the reliability, 'good-enough' ride and lower cost of an Acura. The only models they wouldn't compete with would be the 7-series/ S-class/ XJ/ LS/ Q45 vehicles. And with the actual sales those models get, why bother?
What is worrying is when you look at their 'future vehicles' site, they all look terrible..... :surprise:
... I guarantee you that a large proportion of average drivers who could give a rat's a$% about rwd would happily cross-shop Acura against other lux makers and go for the reliability, 'good-enough' ride and lower cost of an Acura. ...
I think they have both those bases covered.
LOL anyway do let us know here when you switch the tires.
thanks.
I agree. For years and years at Acura it was all about cars that came loaded and cheap, cheap enough that customers could look past the boring designs, lousy materials, and pedestrian platforms. Acura pricing is now reaching parity with Lexus and Infiniti, and yet the designs are still boring (or ugly), the materials are still lousy, and the platforms are still pedestrian. The plan seems to be to move towards dedicated RWD platforms, but thats at least 6 or 7 years away, and the competition isn't standing still. Acura wants to move out of Saab and Volvoville into the big leagues, and seems to think the brand cachet to do that will just magically appear for them. I don't think so.
How can you love a car and not like the steering feel? For me that is one of the most, if not the most important considerations. It is your connection to the car and to the road.
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1. M35
2. RL
3. 530i
4. A6
5. STS
6. S Type
Now I know that this does not mean much but it does mean that at that time MT rated it above both the A6 and the 530i.
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To me, it seems like all you really have to do is get yourself out there. Throw money around, advertise everywhere, make sure your vehicles are suited perfectly to the American market. Audi caters to Europe and Asia, and that's where it gets the bulk of its sales.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
I'm not a TL basher. I really love the looks of the '08 updated model; it may seem a little overdone that it has huge exhausts and sporty trim on the base model, but on the Type-S it's very fitting. That car is a home run for them, RWD be damned.
The MDX has also been a big success. The new one is a major step forward but all the good press it's gotten has been overshadowed by the mediocre reviews that the TSX and RL are garnering.
My wife had an Integra sedan. She loved it.
I had a '93 Vigor. I loved it.
Then I got a '96 TL. Hated it.
Maybe it's a new category 'aspirational luxury' or something (that's why I'm not in marketing) but I agree that if they only want to drag themselves up the luxury food-chain, they will be making a mistake.
Absolutely, they have to prove themselves first. The NSX was technically a Honda so that doesn't count. They need a flagship, obviously, which is a gaping hole in their lineup. They need a V8--or, more importantly, they need innovative engine choices (think BMW). They need new interior designers. Heck, like I said, they need a whole lot of new stuff.
I guarantee you that a large proportion of average drivers who could give a rat's a$% about rwd would happily cross-shop Acura against other lux makers and go for the reliability, 'good-enough' ride and lower cost of an Acura.
But that's not the point. The thing it comes down to is that Acuras are boring (for the most part). Luxury cars should make people excited and make people want to own them. Lexus has that. Audi has that. BMW has that. Mercedes-Benz has that. High-end Jags have that. Cadillac and Infiniti even have it now. No Acura.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Don't you own a Lexus???
By the way, it's a thing of relativity. Obviously the M3 has better steering feel than 99.9% of the cars on the road. They just want even more. Greedy bastards.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
The RL also earned a 10-best from C&D. That, or MotorTrend's comparison hasn't changed my opinion on the car. Only the STS and the GS460 are less appealing to me than the RL. I wont get into all of the RL's failures again, but magazine praise clearly has done nothing for sales.
All of the Motorsport cars use hydraulic setups. The M3 has apparently gotten much softer and easier to drive vs. its predecessor though, maybe thats what they were complaining about. BMW has never matched Porsche in terms of steering feel though.
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Regards,
OW
Audi's are notorious for not holding up well over time, they are notorious for having perhaps the worst dealer network in the U.S., and corporate wise they are notorious for being unresponsive and cavalier about audi owners concerns.
This is the audi culture, and not only will it be hard to change, it seems that audi does not want to change. Whether deserved or not I don't know but this is what they have earned over the years here. Their cars look great, but underneath they are very mediocre.
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Regards,
OW
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