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come on over to my site...he's afraid to come there anyway!
- Tim
"Just wanted to point out that I don't have a
complex about my truck. I am very confident in my
truck purchase. If the transmission falls out
tomorrow, I still will have no regrets. It would
be the only one of many Ford trucks that would have
had any problems during my ownership."
If "ignorance is bliss" cory is in nirvana!
import robbie.Doesnt.Know.Trucks.*;
public class robbieHasNoIdea;
{
if (word == tundra || robbiewellwenbaum)
{
output += " Laugh Real Hard ";
}
else if (robbiewellwenbaum == questionsAnswered)
{
output += " Miracle just happened ";
}
else
{
output += " Robbie Wellwenbaum is too stupid to answer and is all mouth ";
return (to.Intelligent.Conversation);
}
What is really funny is that you are too stupid to see how humorous your own posts are.
I think you spend too much time standing at attention. Your brain is lacking oxygen.
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Very edifying....
do you realize that you're the ONLY one who feels this way? i have not seen anyone else post anything about cory having flawed logic. no one else has challenged (in a civil and scientific manner) what cory has explained about torque applying to the cross-members in a very minimal fashion - that torque is essentially negligible. like i've said in the past, i'm not a mechanical engineer, but i have taken engineering courses that closely relate to this topic and what cory has stated is exceptionally logical to me. further, it makes a lot more sense to me than, "Anyone with an iota of common sense engineering immediate saw through your smokescreen of babbling, incoherent posts." that statement comes across to me as dodging the issue. i like to think i have an "iota of common sense engineering" and to me, what cory posted was neither babbling or incoherent. that's just my honest assessment.
bco
bco
i replied to your similar post in 2168. bear in mind...as you are trying to be humorous (i assume) be careful of criticizing a situation when you're really not contributing to a solution...
my $0.02
bco
"I will admit that chevy and dodge are equal with
good and bad points. The Tundra is superior to both in quality, fit-n-finish and overall utility."
by quality, i'm assuming you mean that you're more likely to buy a non-lemon tundra than you are a non-lemon chevy. a point that we'll most likely never agree on...so drop that one. same with fit-n-finish...don't think we'll ever "come to jesus" on that one either.
but overall utility is one that's worth discussing. in your opionion, how does tundra have better overall utility than the big 3?
bco
I have watched and, yes, participated in, such angry exchanges in other topics (over in Vans mostly) and found them almost entirely counterproductive. However, the experience helps me to understand how easy it is to get dragged into such endless arguments.
This and like forums over here were actually useful to me when I was recently considering which pickup to buy. I am Japanese design/quality/reliability biased, but really like the F-150. The discussion swayed me away from the Tundra for several reasons including the lack of serious/valid complaints about the F-150 (other brand adherents can be counted on to bring those up if there are any!), the not-quite-full-size of the Tundra, and the interior space differences. I am now happily driving a left over, but new 1999 F-150 Supercab XLT conversion truck. So, the discussion was helpful to me outside of the tedious, small-point or ego-based arguments (no offense, but I think you know what I mean). Sometimes you just can't really win, because the other person (and maybe we, ourselves?!) will never give in -- instead searching for some thread of correctness to cling to.
Peace. And I really hope there is Peace! :-)
I would like to know some opinions on this. Toyotas trucks haven't shown a great reliability record. strange that they only have stats up to '95.
What do they know about the way they build cars that that you should?
Without getting into specifics, let me illustrate an example of what would constitute a "better" truck than another. If truck "A" blew a transmission, and truck "B" has rattles, than, it would be fair to a good number of people to say that truck "B" is better, all other things being equal.
Deal with the BIG issues first before going to the small ones. Much like filling that jar with big rocks before pouring the gravel, sand, and water in...
Also, there is no use in comparing quality of past vehicles, especially when they are a DIFFERENT vehicle. That is unfair to the manufacturer and basically condems them to having not evolved their products. I'm sure the Chevy owners wouldn't want the S-10 quality problems to be put on the back of their Silverado's problems.
Long Term quality is also relative to the overall vehicle, and one can not accurately anticipate what the LT quality issues with a vehicle may be, even if other vehicles by the same company do well. Bottom line is, because of that restraint, you have to compare features, specifications, customer satisfaction, and, most of all, go drive it and see for yourself. I wonder how many Chevy owners have driven a Ford or a Dodge or a Toyota and vice versa.
And one last thing... just because a lot of people buy them, doesn't mean that the product is the best... it MAY be, but, more often than not, it is because it is what most people can afford... otherwise, we would all be driving MB, BMWs, Lexus, etc.
Look at the big things first. HP, Torque, rear-axle differential, 4WD to 2WD options, interior room and comfort, gas mileage, and, how it does in REAL life. I can't tell you the number of times I've driven a car that has less hp and torque, but, does better than a car with more either because of weight, the power distribution curve, or a host of other factors...
Just my $.02, but, I would like to see if anybody is up to the challenge of taking a step back from what they own or love and REALLY letting it measure up to the competition. It is honorable to see your own flaws and mistakes and one can often better correct them and deal with them when one does that... so why can't that be done with things like vehicles? I think it will help you get a better purchase. What I see in some of these posts are a lot of cognitive dissonance... people wanting to reassure themselves that their purchase was the best one. There is no shame in being analytical.
For my uses, the Tundra is far superior. I tow a 4200 pound boat, haul fishing poles and batteries, store rifles and shotguns or a dog in the back seat, carry enough lumber to build a tree stand once or twice a year, and hopefully, put dead deer in the bed. I drive off road enough to justify a 4x4 and must be able to drive when the weather is bad. I have a strong preference for smooth, quite rides. I want plenty of cup holders for coffee and Gatorade. I want an audio system that holds multiple CDs but don't want to give up storage space. I want something that I can lease for three years and know that I wont have to do anything but oil changes to keep running. I rarely have more than two people in the truck
Basicly, I want a Land Cruiser with a bed. I found it in the Tundra.
Hyundais must be best, they have a 100,000 mile warranty.
bco
sounds good, man. my reasoning for buying my chevy? biggest thing was the big extended cab. i knew that if i was getting a pickup that cost that much money, i'd have to be able to keep it for awhile. so, room for kids became the issue. not sure if it was propaganda or not, but i remember reading somewhere before purchasing my chevy, that the 'rado ext cab was the only full-sized ext cab truck that will hold a child seat on the rear bench. not sure, i'm sure i'll get some replies on that one. besides that, i wanted a big, powerful engine to haul the boat i daydream of getting (after i pay off my truck of course) and to haul lumber, brick, etc when i get a house next year. reliability was next. i've owned domestics and imports. gmc never let me down. nissan did - three times (it's now gone - for another gmc). i learned to drive in a honda civic, and that was a great car. god knows i beat the snot out of it! fuel economy was a biggie. chevy was best there too. great gas mileage for a 5.3L. next was style and "curb" appeal. didn't like the "big rig" look of dodge. really didn't like the "taurus with a bed" look of ford. tundra looks like a ford with different badges to me... chevy has that classic look to me. i liked it. overall size wasn't an issue. my truck will probably rarely see the inside of a garage. the interior of the chevy was perfectly appointed for me. everything was in the right place. fit nice and looked nice. lots of little niceties like drl disable, automatic headlights (that can also be disabled), tow/haul mode, abs, 2nd gen airbag, and passenger airbag that can be disabled if you don't like the person next to you!
bco
P.S. My 2 year old has a large carseat that we use in the back without any problem
In answer to the question on towing, the Tundra is excellent. With a 4200 pound boat and trailer, it is very stable even at highway speeds. I can maintain 75 to 80 MPH with the overdrive off and the RPMs are right about at 3000. Acceleration is fine and there is minimal sway. Mileage sucks but that is to be expected. I get 10 MPG on long trips with speeds ranging from 45 to 80 and only mild hills.
The truck is a 4x4 and I have never had a problem pulling it from steep or wet ramps. I can live without a limited slip differential. In all honesty, I don't really see the purpose for that feature but I know this will generate an argument.
Still, a $500 over deal on a Super Duty 4X Crew Cab (full four doors), V10, XLT, 5 speed was under $29,000.
In fact I think the way you use (abuse) your vehicle has something to do with them lasting longer.
As far as I know we've only had to unfortunate vehicles. My grandma's Corsica blew up. Good thing nobody was hurt. And my aunt's Corvette just didn't work right. She managed to get it replaced. She buy's a new Vette every year anyway.
bama - this is what i meant by "ideological differences". i changed my name, i'm changing my tone...
rob...you and i feel essentially the exact same way about two different vehicles. it's THAT simple. LOL!!!
bco
In spite of what someone posted, I don't have blind loyalty. My point with what I said about if the transmission fell out tomorrow, I would not regret my purchase, was to point that I have had so many Fords that had no problems, I am due to have one that does. Like I said before, all truck makes will have problems eventually. That said, why not stick with the truck make that I like the best, fits my needs the best, has been the most reliable for me, and is best priced for what I get (in my opinion).
Just because a Toyota owner disagrees with my truck choice doesn't make either truck a bad truck. I only started in on the Toyota crowd because I tire of hearing about how much better the Toyota crowd thinks their trucks are in quality and how poor quality they think the domestic trucks are.
If we are all past that, now we can talk trucks.
Ryan
Ryan
may all your beers be cold and bottomless...
bco
Dean
Who won??? Take a wild guess.
First place goes to GMC
Sorry tundra guys maybe when you make a bigger truck (3/4 ton) you can be included
Ryan
As for Toyota being better than the BIG 3, I have to say that in terms of the psychology instilled in workers and their manufacturing responsibility, Toyota and Honda are second to none. I can say that after many years of study and many plant visits. However, in terms of trucks, I don't think that there is any FULL size competitor for the BIG 3, so, it would be hard to "assume" that the Toyota is somehow superior... especially given the track record of the BIG 3 trucks, which, to date, are far superior to that of their own cars. However that doesn't mean that the Toyota truck is garbage either... it just needs time to see how it performs in the real world and to see what difficulties, if any, will appear in the next several months or couple of years.
truck (3/4 ton) you can be included"
I didn't make my Tundra...maybe some of the Tundra builders own Tundras. Naw, they probably all drive chevy Silverados!
Let's make a new topic:
Any owners work at the plant where their truck was made?
You are making no sense
Ryan
I know what i said why wouldnt that make sense toyota doesnt have a 3/4 ton truck
Ryan
just gettin good again. please don't mess it up.
...red
truck (3/4 ton) you can be included"
My comment on the above post was that it sounded as if we make our own trucks. That thought led to the idea for a new topic:
"Do any owners work at the factory that built your new truck?"
bco