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aka, why drill when you can harvest algae from small to MASSIVE floating farms for... BIODIESEL. ????? You can literally do this anywhere, but how about the desert also!!??? Again pretty simple goals I.E., 10% of the passenger vehicle fleet than can run on engines designed to run on... bio diesel. Now that we are on a row... 23% of the passenger vehicle fleet on D2, which will bring oil demand down a min of 23%. Nat gas passenger vehicle fleet? Whether you are a fan or not, ethanol? Nah we want the LONE RANGER MAGIC SILVER BULLET solution !! ??? Funny how it got us into this intellectual box and continues to "imprison us there!!???
It might be we like the JUNGIAN psychological archetypes?....Jungian archetypes
Here is the traditional adversarial model Fight for the Top of the World
By James Graff
Say all you doom and gloomers, environ extremists, end times advocates,, armageddon in our times pundits are correct. Why is it cheaper to have a single silver bullet solution given YOUR expected consequences, when the answer is much easier with multiple options !!!????
Here in NY it is illegal to ride those bikes on any public road. To do so you would have to get them insured first (several hundred dollars for the best drivers) then go to the local DMV where I hear they will refuse your application.
You are allowed to PUSH them around however.
And you wonder why we have our doubts about the government's ability to manage C&T money? :mad:
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Water will melt ice. Try dropping a few ice cubes in a glass of water.
"Or is the ice melting just a story made up by "the cult"?"
Let me answer that by quoting John Moore:
... [ Global Warming] while still not complete - is accurate or if the world’s scientists, all of the national scientific associations, almost every government and the media are involved in a massive conspiracy. And to what end? Oh right, one world government and global serfdom. How could I be so blind?"
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/07/16/john-moo- re-one-world-government-and-global-warming-climate-change-whatever.aspx
There is also this recent juicy tidbit.....
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_09-155_Thin_Sea_Ice.html
Does not have to be a conspiracy. You get a few influential people (Al Gore) jetting around the World giving speeches with wild unsubstantiated claims and you get a following of believers. Gloom and doom sells better than truth more than not. If Al Gore went and said how much cleaner the rivers are now than 50 years ago or the air in Los Angeles is so much cleaner since they banned leaded gas, who would listen? People want to hear sensational stories.
How's the weather in ND this summer? I see the Northern tier is setting low temp records this summer.
Test drove a 2101 Prius this morning. The style doesn't do much for me and the ground clearance is a concern, but it drove nice. Very comfortable car. I'm not sure how good my mpg would be this time of year with the AC on full blast (high 90's today).
Different kind of bike, but an electric-scooter company just went banko (Vectrix). Tough climate for early adopters right now methinks. (Green Car Advisor)
Hmmm...It probably ran on CO2 and had anti gravity !!
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- Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum council, putting the potential for the Three Forks Formation into perspective.
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2009/07/18/news/opinion/editorials/19007- 3.txt
An interesting comment. As the oil field activity picks up the Bakken will be developed first. It comes down to economics and risk. Oil companies have gained a lot of experience with the Bakken in the last few years. I have sat in on a couple presentations on the Bakken. Very interesting stuff.
Probably the most interesting story I heard was how one person ordered the water a little early for a frac job. Fracs can take upwards of a million gallons of water. This was in January. Imagine trying to keep 23 - 50,000 gallon tanks of water from freezing for a couple of days (-20 below) followed by heating up the water to 180 degrees before they pump it down the hole. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Good thing to that propane is a global warming friendly fuel. :shades:
Wow, that is a great rule. The thought of a New Yorker hurtling down the road at 20 mph on an electric bike is too much to bear. Millions of lives have been saved .... as opposed to saving a few polar bears.
I do understand that. My point about the five years is that overall we will have extended things by five years. As an example, instead of us running out in 50 years we will get 55 years.
Your comment about Prudhoe Bay is interesting because it highlights that we have seen a big improvement in drilling technology since 1977. That has allowed the field life to be extend. Modern estimates take into account this technology. We should still see some increases in recovery rates, but, it is unlikely the increases as a percent will be as great as was the case from 77 to 09. Also keep in mind that the ability to accurately estimate a field has increased in the time since 1977.
"Your first graph does not take into consideration the fact that we have gone down by 3% over the last year. That would put an entirely different slant on that fictitious graph. "
It is not a fictitious graph. It comes from very real data. If you have some different numbers post them.
The graph clearly shows how consumption has, overall, been rising for about two decades. How long would it take for us to close the gap at 3% decrease in consumption each year? The answer would be decades all the while trying to keep the production steady.
Let me ask you another question. Has the U.S. ever produced more than about 10 MBD? The answer is NO. But, you and others seem to think we can drill our way out of this despite the fact that we have never been able to produce 10+ MBD even when we had the easy oil in Tx, Ok, Pa and other states.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mcrfpus1m.htm
So how do we bridge the gap between our current production (5.3 mbd) and our current consumption of 20+ mbd? ANWR might give us 0.75 mbd in 15 years. Where will the extra 15 mbd come from? What fields?
A 2101 model, wow, is that the one with the nuclear reactor for a power source? Does it fly??? Popular Science has been going on about flying cars for the last 50 years or so. Will we actually see one at the turn of the next century?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Crap, now McFly's knocking on my door wanting his car keys back...and the idiot keeps insisting that Jerry Lewis is the VP.
On another note, my Zojirushi rice cooker makes the same sound when the rice is done as the beeps when you put the Prius in reverse. Seriously!
Well nobody ever accused Toyota of not sweating the details !!
Don't get me wrong, I would love to get much better mileage than I get with the vehicles being sold in the USA. They are not available in our country. They are blocked by several different Government entities. My take, it is NOT the consumers fault we get the dregs in America. It is mostly the Federal Government. The lobbyist decide what we get or do not get. So punishing the consumer for buying what the government allows is not right. The Climate bill will further alienate the US tax payer from the belief in man made GW. If it smells like a skunk, it probably is a skunk.
PS
You will not find any post where I said we could provide all our petroleum needs just by drilling more. Though I do believe we should be drilling off the Florida coast before the Chinese stick a big straw in from the shores of Cuba and suck out all the known oil reserves. The Canadians are producing close to our border which is ANWR. Having spent 25 years working in the Arctic I do not see what is so special about ANWR. It is just the same desolate tundra from the Canadian border to the Bering sea. Many places pools of oil are on the surface. That is how oil was originally found by the Navy. ANWR is a political football and most of the players are clueless why they are protecting it from oil production.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/solar-cycle-20090718.html#more
Another good example of how scientists continue to try understand all the pieces of the climate puzzle.
This graph is interesting:
http://bioage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4fbe53ef01157121c088970c-popup
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/ncdc-20090718.html#more
Maybe down the road NOAA will publish the same data for several decades. The monthly graph is interesting, but that is weather not climate. The blue dots certainly match our perception here in ND that the weather was cooler. It will be really weird if we have cooler summers in the future while most other states get warmer temps. The summer temps don't bother me, it is the 40 below stuff that can take a hike. Life/the Universe is weird enough that that won't happen, however.
Nothing like a 48 person injury roll. Lets hope the at fault light rail driver wasn't DUI or texting.....
The oil extraction rate will be based on economics, total available oil and geology of the reservoirs. And yes, there were periods were the oil industry was running flat out - every available drill rig was in use. KSA currently claims it can produce 12.5 mbd. The U.S. never will match that production capability (conventional oil). It is interesting to note that even if KSA sold us all their oil we would still not meet all our needs.
"We have depended on Middle East Oil since before the car was invented."
The Middle East was not producing a lot of oil before the 30s. The United States was producing half of the world's oil in the 1950s. The U.S. really did not become dependent on ME oil till the 70s. The rest of the world did not benefit much from ME oil till about the 40s. The history of the auto goes back a bit further then the 1930s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_automobile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_depletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
Oil depletion --> reduced economic activity --> less C02 emissions
Are we having fun yet?
Warmer or cooler, I believe we are stuck with what we get. We have gone from a record cold June to a near record warm July in San Diego. The CO2 output has not changed significantly. I just find it hard to believe that it is the culprit.
The biggest challenge to changing the situation is the World population. China is raising their standard of living at an unprecedented rate. India is not far behind. I will assume that Africa & Indonesia will one day get its act together and join the 21st century. The only people that are not procreating at a high rate are those of European decent. So our lame government says tax the crap out of the few to make it easier for the masses to use more fossil fuel and emit more GHG. That is assuming that GHG has any real impact on the climate.
I think our friend Kernick has the best handle on the subject. We could tax fossil fuel in the USA to where no one could afford to drive. The ONLY thing that would do is bring down the price to where China and India could expand their use of fossil fuel even more rapidly.
Let the free market work. When Peak oil arrives and we have a diminishing supply, the people that are here will have to come up with an alternative or die. The oil companies have probably spent more on research into alternatives than any other group. I know they have with solar energy.
http://www.virginia.edu/igpr/APAG/apagoilhistory.html
WW1 was partly a fight over who would control Middle Eastern oil. That predates Saudi oil finds by many years.
During World War I (1914-18), strategists for all the major powers increasingly perceived oil as a key military asset, due to the adoption of oil-powered naval ships, new horseless army vehicles such as trucks and tanks, and even military airplanes. Use of oil during the war increased so rapidly that a severe shortage developed in 1917-18.
The strategists also understood that oil would assume a rapidly-growing importance in the civilian economy, making it a vital element in national and imperial economic strength and a source of untold wealth to those who controlled it. Already in the United States, John D. Rockefeller, founder of Standard Oil Company, was the world's richest person.
The British government, ruling over the largest colonial empire, already controlled newly-discovered oil in Persia (now Iran) through the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. Since Britain lacked oil in the home islands, British strategists wanted still more reserves to assure the future needs of their empire. An area of the Ottoman Empire called Mesopotamia (now Iraq), shared the same geology as neighboring Persia, so it appeared especially promising.
Just before war broke out in 1914, British and German companies had negotiated joint participation in the newly-founded Turkish Petroleum Company that held prospecting rights in Mesopotamia. The war ended the Anglo-German oil partnership and it exposed the territories of the German-allied Ottoman Empire to direct British attack.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/185/40479.html
Read some of the atrocities we have looked away from in that region all for getting control of oil.
Meanwhile, we set a record here in Boise yesterday of 106 °F, breaking the old record by three degrees. The last record was just set in 2003 (or was that 2103?). It was 1960 since it was this hot on that day. Shall we get out the hockey sticks?
It reminds me of a quote attributed to Gandhi
“... If [our nation] took to similar economic exploitation, it would strip the world bare like locusts.”
He is only referring to India, not China. I wonder what he would say given the current situation.
Should the developing countries slow their growth? They will argue that the U.S. has a much higher standard of living, uses a lot more energy and produces more CO2 per capita. They feel entitled to grow while we feel entitled to stay where we are at. Will we voluntarily reduce our energy use or CO2 levels? I would say no. Will the developing countries do the same, again, I would say no.
I do think the market will decide, it just that the market is made up of people and not really "free". In the end, the USA will see a slowly eroding standard of living from a monetary standpoint on a per capita basis.
In any event, the next ten years or so will be very interesting.
To follow the GW ist hypothesis, to wit the 3% less US oil demand with the attending DECREASE in C02 output actually caused you to have record temps !!!!! Man perhaps I should get a tax credit and subsidies to drive my SUV's a min of 32,000 miles per year @ 15 mpg !!! Now if I could get my bill able rate of 150 per hour...
I know, I have got the whole world in my hands... they wrote a song about it ......
Our official was one degree below the record 103 set in 2000. It was 102 at the closest station to us.
Now how does that relate to CO2. If we have used 3% less fossil fuel this year, logic says it should be cooler this year. And it was all through June. So it would seem that CO2 has little influence over temperatures. Which about 31,000 scientists agree with. Vs Al Gore and his handful of over paid scientists just trying to keep the big bucks rolling in.
"In economics, the Jevons Paradox (sometimes called the Jevons effect) is the proposition that technological progress that increases the efficiency with which a resource is used, tends to increase (rather than decrease) the rate of consumption of that resource."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
One of the reasons people buy a hybrid is because they want to drive more. A hybrid allows them to do that guilt free. In some cases high fuel prices forced people to cut back their driving. A more fuel efficient vehicle allows them to go back to their old patterns (not car pooling, taking long vacations by car, and not having to plan every trip to maximize fuel use when shopping).
LOL. In NY we have a state Senate that goes into gridlock for weeks and then gives everybody a raise for doing no work. The electric bike idiocy is child's play by comparison.
That is one reason why I have doubts about Washington's ability to manage something as sweeping as C&T.
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I think we can get Lutz to sign on to that program.
1. Color. Red cars seem to get more tickets. What is the % of Prius cars that are red vs. the rest?
2. I wonder if there isn't a backlash against Prius owners
Anyone have a link to the complete study?
I know for myself I would take more trips if I had a fuel efficient vehicle. I hate getting 15 MPG in that Sequoia. Not enough to cram myself into a noisy, rough riding Prius. Or any other low slung econobox. If I am going through contortions to get in a vehicle. I want it to be a Porsche.
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Our salesguy had a "racetrack" route that intentionally went over a speed bump and through a dip (my wife took that one at 55, in a 35 zone - maybe that explains all the speeding tickets?), and a bit of a gravel parking lot. It was a surprisingly smooth ride. The fact that it was quiet was expected. It was about as roomy for me as our minivan too.
Various Chinese agencies are fighting over terms of the HUMMER sale and the last I heard it wasn't a done deal (or even a sure thing). There's still hope for Lutz to make a HUMMER G8, lol.
I do not know how many of you have been following the 2009 Tour De France, but I have for app 14 days and countless re runs....
Supremely beautiful Panoramic Vistas,... all CLEAN air in the mountains and in the flats !!!! Yet... Nuclear power, upwards of 50% passenger diesel fleet with upwards of 70% new car MY sales= diesels !!!!
A Prius driven 20k miles per year is still more of a problem for the environment than a Hummer driven 5k miles per year. If I had one I would probably make 3 trips down the hill to Costco each week instead of one every other week.
So for example, a Prius @ 20,000 miles per year with a consumption rate of 45 mpg uses 444.44* gals. For a Hummer to use the SAME 444.44* gals @ 15 miles a gal is 6667* miles.
*Corrections:
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5576
Wouldn't you like to know.
"If we have used 3% less fossil fuel this year, logic says it should be cooler this year."
What logic is that? The logic of the simple? You keep talking weather not climate. There is always variation from year to year or day to day. Climate study focuses on longer trends, usually decades.
"So it would seem that CO2 has little influence over temperatures."
No. "In general, the surface temperature of the planets decreases with increasing distance from the Sun. Venus is an exception because its dense atmosphere [CO2] acts as a greenhouse and heats the surface to above the melting point of lead..."
http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/detail/nasaNAS~20~20~120307~227006:Planet- -Temperatures
"Which about 31,000 scientists agree with."
As opposed to the millions of scientists that disagree.
"Vs Al Gore and his"
They are not his.
"handful"
Not even close. There are millions of them. Be afraid, be very afraid.
"of over paid"
A meaningless phrase designed to evoke emotion. This is the result of the writer, you
"scientists just trying to keep the big bucks rolling in."
The goal of many scientists is to do research. Global Warming is a timely and relevant topic. It is only natural that climatologists seek out grants for their research.
It is only natural that climatologists seek out grants for their research.
I spent many hours visiting with just about every type of scientist you can name while working in the Arctic. I can tell you they spend more time writing their grant papers than doing legitimate research. They get college students that will work for free to do the dirty work, while they hang out in camp or stay back at the University. Your condescension was noted.
Mrs Clinton, on a five-day visit to the country, said that low-carbon emissions would not jeopardise India’s high economic growth rates and its goal of lifting millions of people out of poverty. She offered a technological partnership to secure the fast growing nation’s energy supplies and help boost the livelihoods of its farmers.
“There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh, India’s environment minister told Mrs Clinton. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”
Her comments come as global leaders try to agree a course of action to combat climate change and to break a deadlock over the Doha round of trade talks at the World Trade Organisation. New Delhi has sided with Beijing to oppose binding caps on its carbon emissions. They argue that developed nations should take responsibility for global warming. India has also clashed with the US over the terms of the global trade deal. The Indian government welcomed the US’s partnership but refused to agree to emissions caps.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/741cc2f0-748f-11de-8ad5-00144feabdc0.html
With China and India refusing to go along with our flaky ideas, where does that leave US. We could refuse to buy from them. Of course the sheep voters might get restless here if there were no TVs at Walmart or Bestbuy.
What, he has the carbon foot print of two middle class Indian Villages?? Who knows, maybe vast parts of Calcutta?
Yup all Clinton/Obama needs do is to stop the US flow of democratic (states) coal to India and China and watch em cave into our ... " demands". :P (as if they don't have the domestic votes...................)
So on an off topic matter, are any of you taking your private jet, 300 ft "boat" or government jet to the UN C02 conference in Copenhagen? link title
One can only hope that the masses will awake soon.
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As long as materialism soothes the masses, nothing will change. These cheap labor
markets were not opened without several motives.
A revolution, either physical or structural, will be needed.
Now it is time to pay, and all of them flee
All but 10 paying customers. 92,0000 went for a free ride on Sunday. Come Monday they had to get to work and the light rail does now work for most of them. No parking is provided. So if you don't want to walk or ride your bike in the rain you are out of luck.
Add to that the fact that it has created more noise pollution:
Light rail, failing promises made, is not quiet
Editor, The Times:
It seems there is some shared pain and empathy between those of us who are dealing with screeching light-rail noise and those who live near the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport's third runway.
What dismays many of us Rainier Valley residents is that during planning and public comment phases we expressed great concern about noise from an above ground track. Our concern was met with assurances that this new technology would be quiet. Even so, many of us were still skeptical and continued to advocate strongly for having the rail underground because of noise concerns.
I hope Sound Transit can find a remedy to the screeching noise or realize that any future expansion of the system must be underground so others are spared from having their nervous systems constantly bombarded by metal-on-metal screeching.