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Not quite.
Maybe "over-informed and confused."
And I didn't say "no one in America had recycling programs before 2001."
I said that many average Americans learned a lot more about recycling and the benefits of living green AFTER AlGore went ballistic.
I have no respect for the man nor for his idiocy.
I respect people who say "the jury is still out on what is CAUSING the warming, but the warming is without a doubt happening."
Most recycling programs are a joke.You sort all your stuff and then when it gets to the landfill they bury it with all the other garbage. In the cases where they actually try to recycle those materials many landfills find that there is no market for the products except for metal cans.
"...use of LED bulbs..."
I'm not clear on this. Are you talking about Light Emitting Diode LED or Compact Florescent CF? LED, as I understand it, have been around long before GW and are used where there is limited electric storage such as in a computer screen. CF bulb offer a real savings. I'm putting them in every light I can. I worry about the mercury though.
Most of the rest of the things you mention have been around long before the GW scam also.
All in all, not worth 79 billion.
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I respect people with an open mind. Show me the facts not some computer generated data, with dubious numbers used to manipulate the final outcome. To me any scientist that works for any entity with a stated agenda is suspect. Whether it is the Federal government or Exxon. Both have an agenda that is designed to take dollars from my pocket into theirs. I know you believe the Feds are above reproach. I don't think their is an OUNCE of decency in Washington DC. From Barry on down to the grunt at the EPA. They will lie to get their ideas pushed through.
I guess you have me confused. It is Gore's idiocy that is driving the whole Man Made GW agenda WORLD WIDE. He is considered some sort of god with his unearned Nobel prize. At least by the unwashed masses. So if you consider his agenda your agenda, you are linked to him.
I do applaud the fact that you to practice what you preach.
But it caused the price of diesel to go way up.
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Thanks for that, sir.
Gary says, "So if you consider his agenda your agenda, you are linked to him."
No, his (AlGore) agenda, according to you and others, is to the far left of just about anyone else when it comes to "climate change" agendas.
Just because I want people to green-up themselves and take conservation efforts and recycling efforts seriously does not align me with the people who claim that "MMGW is a fact beyond reproach." That statement is just patently false.
Only the serious green wacko freaks consider AlGore a "God."
P.S. You know why I call him AlGore, with no space, right? Rush Limbaugh started that a long time ago, and I adopted it.
Heck yes. Earth Day started in 1970. I was aware enough that by 1979 I was trying to incorporate solar and wind power in my house. I'm just a dumb blue collar worker. If I knew, everybody knew.
BTW, I prefer the moniker: "Joe Six-Pack".
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WELLLLLL, not that much. EIA and greencongress.com say it costs about 4 to 5 cents more per gallon to clean it up.
I have seen no diesel-industry reports which have blamed the diesel price spike SOLELY on that mandate.
It was a factor, sure, but so was increased world demand.
I'm talking about "Joe Six-Pack" becoming a recycler. That did not happen until fairly recently.
Can we move on now?
1. There WERE people who recycled before AlGore came along.
2. There WERE solar panels in the world before AlGore came along.
3. There WERE Earf Days before AlGore came along.
4. There WERE companies pushing a "Green Agenda" before AlGore came along.
BUT:
"Joe Six-Pack" didn't give a DARN until the GW movement put those issues into his daily paper and onto his evening news and a blue recycle bin on his curb.
The "NEW" most-energy-efficient home lighting is LED.
Sam's Club has them now.
Invest today.
Yeah, Right. To replace a 93 cent CFL bulb with LED equivalent would be about $49 each. They are far from being prime time. Though most of my Christmas lights are LED now. They don't last forever out in the weather. Many folks do not like that bright blue hue that most of the white LEDs have. Maybe as my CFL bulbs start to die in 10 years I will go to LED. If they are down to under a buck a piece. I do handle the CFL's with gloves and glasses as I am not fond of mercury poisoning.
Gee, dismissing anyone who was ahead of the curve as a "hippie" is beneath the usual passionate argument you offer. Not like you at all.
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The problem is that it won't replace the income tax but be in addition to it. The moral: Be careful what you wish for !!
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Single LED bulbs at Sam's Club can be had for as low as $8 each, some two-packs are $14. I've got two kitchen spotlight track lighting LED running at 3 watts, rated for 50,000 hours. That's about 22 years.
Those cost $26 each and will be there when I sell the house years from now, providing me with acceptable lighting for barely pennies of electricity a year.
I've got several of them in my house already, to go with my house already full of CFLs.
That guarantee is only as good as the store and mfg. I have had 4 of the CFL bulbs go bad in less than a year. I kept the packaging in a big box and took them back to WalMart that gave me a refund. The CFL's are supposed to last 10,000 hours. LED's at $26 each would cost me $1456 to replace all 56 of my recessed lights. I think I will wait till they get down to 93 cents like the CFL bulbs. Where are they made? All my outdoor Christmas lights are now LED.
They do sometimes get weaker over time.
And I think Sam's Club is going to be here in 22 years, so I can get a replacement if I need it. I kept the receipt.
By the way I kept all the old incandescent light bulbs. There are people that claim florescent lights are harmful to your health. So when they cannot be sold I will make a fortune. :shades:
Upshot: I use app 50 per month in electricity per mo. using OLD but updated offerings. The overwhelming majority of the KWH's are used by a refrigerator and A/C (pretty normal I might add) . So even as the cost per KWH continues to rise, I actually use less KWH. For example, I have had 6 each so called "old style" (PAR 30(L-long neck) 75 watt) AND inexpensive (4 per), last 22 years. I had been none too happy with them and thank heaven one "went out" as it forced me to check out the "latest" lamp/bulb BR30 offerings !! (good news and bad news) I did change them out but on one level the 5 old ones that still worked were a total waste !!?? The only question now is can all this UPGRADE technology last another 22 years?
The same is true for cars. I have an suv that gets 15 mpg. as a BARE minimum it makes NO sense to get a better mpg mileage car less than 4 x or 60 mpg !!??? So which car on the US market (same size as the Landcruiser) gets that? Shoot I would bite the bullet and buy a Landcruiser sized suv that got 35 to 40 mpg!!??
Then you don't remember the 70's, which is what most people over 45 would associate with the major pushes for conservation of resources, and reduction of pollution.
There was major changes in society then far beyond anything associated with GW. There was the switch to unleaded gas, EPA laws to protect the air, land, and water, and identification of Superfund sites as major pollution awareness topics. In regards to conservation there was nothing like the Oil Embargo of '73 and the shortages in the late 70's to make Americans aware of the need to conserve. The average Joe-6-pack was waiting in line for 3 hours to get 5-10 gal. of gas! That certainly made people aware. I remember only being able to buy a few gal. every other day based on whether your license plate was even or odd.
And the 70's were certainly big on getting the conservation message out, with Jimmy Carter giving his weekly fireside chats bundled up in a sweater in a cold White House.
Today's GW-crowd may be right in the end; but there is a large circle of proponents hovering around this undecided issue who see a good-scam to get $ and power out of the issue. They have no more morals of robbing people for their own gain and glory then Bernie Madoff.
But I can guarantee you that 99% of my little 5,000 population hometown in the center of Texas did not know a thing about the "green movement" or "Earth Day" back in those days.
And until the1990's, you might have had about 1% of that population doing anything "green" other than growing their own food.
And there are thousands of little towns around the country which were in the same boat.
Most of the things you talk about were East Coast big city projects, applying to large corporations which only had offices and factories in larger cities, plus of course California.
Almost no one was getting educated (outside a few colleges and some programs in big cities) about "green ways of living" in the 1970's.
Almost none of that stuff touched "Middle America" in a serious way until MUCH MUCH later.
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That's funny, so did I. They were "wavey gravey" even before they became a liberal rag. Some of the stuff like how to make your own hemp underpants was weird.
I did make a barrel stove out of an oil drum from plans I got from the classifieds.
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Don't laugh. The EPA recently proposed taxing farmers $175 per cow because of CO2. They dropped it pretty fast when the firestorm of protests hit from the ag community. They also have considered classifying cows as "point sources" of pollution which among other things would require extensive permitting and monitoring of each cow. Under such rules you would be prohibited from placing a cow within 100 feet of a stream or pond. Ever get in the way of a thirsty cow? I wouldn't reccomend it.
That is the kind of nonsense you get when "activist" get entrenched in government agencies.
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What does it matter when we all know that the world is going to end in 2012?
When it come to bragging rights I will vote for your tire and oil longevity over larsb's LED bulbs anytime.
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You have to stop projecting your perceptions onto others. Just because you didn't perceive the benefits of conservation doesn't mean that others in your community didn't know what was going on.
Every hard scrabble farmer who had a windmill to pump water down in Texas knew. People in the midwest who used manure for fertilizer knew. The folks in my east coast (sorry, not a big city) town who built an experimental solar greenhouse in the 70's knew.
The older generation lived "green" because it was necessary. It wasn't a political slogan like it is now.
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And I don't post "merely on my own experiences" at all. It's called Edumication, and I have one.
I'm not going to quibble about this issue any longer. I know I'm correct.
Fact:
FAR, FAR millions more people know about and practice living green(ish), and about conservation and recycling, nowadays than in the 1970's, and it was mostly the GW news and the threats of what might happen to our world that hit the information superhighways in the late 1990s and early 2000's which started the snowball effect we have today.
'Nuff said. Anyone who says I'm wrong is not seeing things properly.
I TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR opinions - totally. They are just not correct in this case unless they jive with the facts.
Dumping your plastic bottles into a blue bin is NOT conservation. It is wasteful. I continue to refill my water bottles for as long as a year or more with filtered water. If they depended on me for recycled materials they would go broke. People are more wasteful today than at any time in our history. You are under the misconception that buying a new hybrid every 5 years is not wasteful. My father in law drove the same Chevy PU truck from 1949 until he died in 1978. When it broke he fixed it himself and it did not cost near what it cost today. Even though you try your best to be environmentally astute, you do not understand the real concept of conservation. Even in the 1960s we carried our grocery bags back to the store to use again. They were brown paper and had rope handles. They would last quite a long while. Now we have cloth ones and the store gives us a nickel for each one we have. We don't drink any of the store bought soda or juice creations. So those cans and bottles are not wasted by us. Our blue bin probably gets filled over a 3 month period. I use most of the cardboard boxes as compost. Our garbage decomposes nicely in layers of cardboard. Worms like it also.
PS
We do have a fair amount of garbage from the large amount of fruit and vegetables we eat. I cannot remember the last time I ate processed food such as dry cereal. Old fashioned oats bought in bulk out of a big barrel is superior to any processed cereal.
If I wasn't on vacation, I'd go find that link again. :shades:
I have had a couple CFL bulbs pop and go black when they are first turned on. After I did it once with a live socket, I always get back and hit the switch. I think they are still far from as safe as an incandescent light bulb. They do save energy, which is the only reason I use them. We know a fellow that claims any florescent causes him to go into depression and other psychotic symptoms. For reading we use a natural light CFL that cost me about $6 each. Hope they last the 10,000 hours.
PS
Hope you are having a good time. The C4C threads are attracting a lot of new blood.
LOL. You sound like my wife.
I remember the green movement starting with Smokey the Bear and Chief Big Tear Rolling Down Cheek, which were t.v commercials in the 70's. Conserving gasoline and water, not polluting... all that started in the 70's. 80's slowed down... picked back up in mid 90's.
I'm done with this issue now...
Dang that LOCAL WEATHER !!!
It might be a tad unreasonable to expect something like "the coldest day I ever spent was a summer's day in San Francisco" or words to that effect. Indeed if that is the expectation might I suggest San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, to name a few? Today 's temp is 59 degrees in SF, CA
June was below normal. May was not. In fact, May was the 4th hottest ever in Phoenix.
2009 marks 4th warmest May for entire planet
"PHOENIX -- The combined average global land and ocean surface temperatures for May 2009 ranked fourth warmest since worldwide records began in 1880, according to an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
Here in Phoenix, the average temperature was 86.1, making it the fourth warmest May on record.
We also had 19 days of at least 100 degrees which tied a record for most days 100 degrees or higher which was originally set back in May of 1984.
We broke the record for consecutive days of at least 100 or higher at 14. The old record was 13 days back in May of 1984."
June was unusually cool, however. It was the coolest June since 1998.
Or the most days under 100 degrees since 1913.
"It's probably the best June since I've been here, and I've been here most of my life," said the National Weather Service's Valerie Meyers, who is in her late 40s. "It's been really nice."
Which all this tells me is the weather changes up and down, and GHG has little to do with it.
Don'tcha know?
GHG does not directly affect local weather nearly as much as it does global weather patterns.
In other words, we can't crank up 1 million Hummers in the Phoenix metro area and force the Phoenix temps up by 5 degrees.
But running those hummers for a month or two straight would be more likely to affect the overall global weather patterns.
Uhh, that doesn't make any sense... much like the majority of your posts.
On the global warming front, the Louisville area/region is looking to have one of the coolest July's on record. We are on track to have our first July without a day in the 90's. We've been running with highs in the mid 70's for most of the month. Overall, a very nice and much cooler than normal summer.
So, to keep the "Earf" from falling back into an ice age, perhaps we should all start collecting all those clunkers from Obama, and putting them back on the road... to throw out more green house gases? :surprise:
Phoenix has hot May, cool June, hottest ever July. Chicago has coolest July ever. Portland et al having one of the hottest days ever today.
It's all just weather.
jipster says, "Uhh, that doesn't make any sense... much like the majority of your posts. "
That smells suspiciously like a personal attack, which we all know around here is verboten.
It would make sense if you tied the posts together. You quoted my SECOND-TO-LAST sentence and did not post my last sentence, which rounded out and evened out the post. You attacked my post by using only the part of the post which you wanted to use.
That's called "taking things out of context" and can be a failed yet transparent method of trying to show how smart you are.
LOL. You sound like my wife.
I'm jipster, not oldfarmer. I didn't quote your SECOND-TO-LAST sentence, I quoted the one towards the middle. i.e "I know I am correct"... which I joked about sounding like my wife. Then I made an observation about when the green movement started. So, you took my post out of context, which means... nahh, forget about it.
It's me against all you super fart smellers, so I'm at a disadvantage.....:)
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