Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Truly a case of be careful what you wish for, you just might GET it !!??
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    I know you don't mean that, because only a dunderhead would declare it a "blunder" after the FIRST WEEKEND OF OPERATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Gary says, "No parking is provided...""

    WRONG:

    "The 600-space park-and-ride lot at Tukwila International Boulevard Station was just over half-full by early afternoon."

    No light rail system is perfect for EVERYONE under EVERY circumstance.

    Just as no ONE vehicle is perfect for EVERYONE under EVERY circumstance.

    People will adapt and use it, like they have in virtually every other city in the world which has a light rail system.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."People will adapt and use it, like they have in virtually every other city in the world which has a light rail system."...

    Or ... NOT.

    Fare box recovery is (in the overwhelming majority of cases) no where NEAR close to covering OPERATING costs. That is probably why most folks REFUSE to even discuss it. You will have an enlightened management if they even DARE to list the fare box recovery dollar amount, let alone the percentages !!! It is even all the more LESS cost effective in that the FED ponies up for again normally a HUGE percentage and volume of the projects... cost. Most if not all projects could not get off the ground except for "matching" Fed funds.

    Don't get me wrong I'd be happy to take mass transit for commuting. I'd just like my bill able (per hour) rate for the time I spend in it !! In addition it would be great to get out from under the after tax cost to operate a motor vehicle !!!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    There will always be some American engineering mistakes to mess up the dream. But, it is something needed in Seattle, which has a laughable public transportation system, along with third world quality roads and perpetual gridlock.

    A friend of mine says it saves him 30 minutes over taking the bus - and it will prevent the fiasco encountered last winter of buses not running in the snow (but nobody being told, as the public sector doesn't live in the real world).
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Well you are wrong again and a million exclamation points will not provide parking for the new Seattle light rail. At least our trolley system has adequate parking for those that would like to use it.

    Seattle Department of Transportation spokesman Rick Sheridan's quote in The Seattle Times ["Would-be rail riders bemoan lack of parking," page one, July 16] is astonishing! He said, "Light rail was meant to be fed by people taking the bus, walking or biking. It was not mean to be fed by cars."

    His arrogance has blinded him; light rail is meant to serve the public. It could also serve to reduce freeway congestion. Why on Earth were there not provisions for station parking as part of the plan, other than the typical Seattle "let's do this on the cheap" mentality?

    What, no parking?

    Sound Transit is unbelievable. It will soon open a 14-mile railroad costing $2.3 billion dollars, about the cost of the more than 50 miles originally sold to taxpayers.

    The one thing Sound Transit doesn't offer is parking for people who, because of distance or other concerns, must drive to their stations. For this the city can thank the greenies, including Mayor Greg Nickels, the most self-righteous greenie of them all, to whom cars are anathema.

    But perhaps a lack of parking doesn't matter. In a special on the light rail, The Times named the neighborhoods in which stations are located and showed them on a low-detail map but didn't list their addresses or specific locations ["Your guide to light rail," page one, July 12].

    Either Sound Transit doesn't want riders -- certainly not those who own cars -- or they expect potential riders to meander about in search of a station.

    Parking limitations will only destroy ridership

    Only in Seattle would the butt-headed arrogance of city planners be allowed to sabotage a major, regional transit effort. In the words of the Seattle Department of Transportation, "Light rail was meant to be fed by people taking the bus, walking or biking."

    The message for those who don't live near a feeder bus line, or are unable to walk or bike due to age, infirmity or just being out of shape, is: "You are out of luck. You can help pay for the light-rail line, but Seattle is going to discourage you from using it."

    This attitude will lead to a catastrophic loss of ridership on the rail line and lack of support for future regional transit improvements. How many people would be riding the bus into downtown Seattle without local and regional park-and-ride lots? It is a proven method of getting people to use mass transit.


    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/northwestvoices/2009491146_light_rail_park- ing_noise_whine.html
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    The light rail system in Phoenix does not have "station parking" and neither do light rail systems in some other large cities. Commuter parking lots at stations are a very expensive use of real estate, and that's why they are not deployed in all cities with light rail systems.

    And I was not WRONG when I posted the article which stated the 600-car "Park and Ride" station along the Seattle light rail route.

    You said "no parking" and THAT'S what was WRONG.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    If the thing is only 14 miles long no one who owned a car would fool with it anyway, so I guess parking is a non issue !!

    At a cost of about $32 million per mile the mind simply boggles !! Taxpayers fleeced again....but quite a few insiders certainly got rich !

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    Those 14 miles can be a 90 minute drive....
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was actually 165 million per mile. Time will tell if it was well spent. From our experience in San Diego it works for a few and costs everyone a lot of money. Looks like Phoenix planned theirs better for real commuters.

    But during the weekend Phoenix launched its light rail train in January, 150,000 packed the trains.

    Seattle's line is shorter with 12 stops compared to Phoenix's 28. Phoenix built eight park-and-ride lots. Seattle built just one.

    Sound Transit expects to have 26,000 daily riders by the end of the years. Phoenix already averages 33,000 daily riders.


    Just to keep things in perspective here. With 26,000 paid riders per day Seattle will generate about $52,000 per day. That is about $19,000,000 per year revenue. The interest alone at 4% on $2.3 billion is about $92 million per year. Unless the pilots, mechanics, maintenance, managers etc are all volunteer the revenue generated will not even pay salaries. Not to mention the millions in electricity those things use.

    It is not hard to see why cities, states and the Feds are all going broke. Now we may be even further burdened by Cap n Trade. Makes a guy want to move to someplace sane like Costa Rica. No wonder so many US retirees are bailing out of the country.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    It's a nice place and all, but "over 50% of those who move to Costa Rica leave within one year!" The Real Costa Rica

    Not only that, but you can drive across the whole country in about 5 hours. If you want any excitement, you have to drive up by the Nicaraguan border and see how lost you can get. :P

    Coming from Kansas:

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That is a great site. I have 3 friends that have been there more than 5 years. I get emails from 2 of them on a regular basis. One is a bush pilot from the Arctic. He is so into Costa Rica I doubt he ever leaves. Has no real family in the USA. Another comes back each Spring to do his taxes and renew his visa. Have not heard anything lately from an old girlfriend that married a realtor from Alaska that bought 150 acres of Teak in the Nicoya region. It would be easier to shrink your carbon footprint down there. No heat or AC required if you live in a good location. Cheap health care and over all cost of living. The only negative I have ever heard is petty crime in San Jose. Lots of pick pockets around the bars.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    There's a guy here in Boise who guides whitewater trips down there. The only bar I went into on a brief trip there was full of US ex-pats. It's nice that you have friends there you can go visit. You should head down before GW kills all the birds, floods the coastal areas and burns the rest of it. :P
  • avalon02whavalon02wh Member Posts: 785
    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090717_juneglobalstats.html

    Another good example of increasing temperatures.
  • avalon02whavalon02wh Member Posts: 785
    "I spent many hours visiting with just about every type of scientist you can name while working in the Arctic."

    I doubt that. I am a scientist. I work with scientists & engineers on a daily basis and have been for over 20 years. Your observations don't even come close to my observations. Your only interest appears to be demonizing these people.

    "I can tell you they spend more time writing their grant papers than doing legitimate research."

    Did you shadow this people and keep a log of what they did? I think it is pretty clear you did not like the scientists you ran into while in the arctic. Now you are carrying that into the GCC debate.

    "From Stimulus that has done nothing to Healthcare that will drain our empty coffers. "

    This comment has nothing to do with GCC or GW. You are clearly stating a political agenda that is best discussed in another blog.

    You say you love this country, yet you cannot admit that maybe GCC is a long term threat to this country and the world.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Hmmmmmm......sounds like he must have said something that hit pretty close to home !!

    If you are indeed a "scientist" , I think I can see where our problem is !

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think it is pretty clear you did not like the scientists you ran into while in the arctic.

    On the contrary. Many would visit our room in the evening as we were one of the few companies with no alcohol policy. I had the best stocked bar on the whole North Slope of Alaska. Scientists and pilots were our most frequent guests. Very enlightening. Most were studying wildlife such as bears and whales. Up until I retired in 2006 I cannot remember more than a few times they even mentioned GW or CC. We entertained the people doing the ice core samples. In fact they stored them in our cold storage building until they shipped them out. NOAA pilots were there a lot in the 1980s & early 1990s. Dozens of students doing research during the summer from all over the USA. The only people that were gungho GW were the bunch from GreenPeace that ended up under arrest for trespassing on BP lease land. I doubt there was a scientist in the pack of them. Just trouble makers. They got no drinks from us.

    Did you shadow this people and keep a log of what they did?

    No, but when you spend evenings drinking with them you hear their complaints about funding. Though most were paid by BP via different Universities. The Whale watchers that I got to know very well as they returned every year and needed communications, were all paid by grants from Sam. It was the worker bee scientist that were not very complimentary concerning the head scientist that rarely did squat while they were out freezing their butts off. One lived in San Diego and I dated her a few times back in the 1980s. She ended up going to work for SeaWorld at double the salary and no freezing weather.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Another good example of record low temps

    Coolest July 21 recorded in Nashville as cool wave continues in Tenn.

    7:59 AM CDT, July 21, 2009
    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Cool weather has broken a previous low temperature for July 21 in Nashville that was set when Rutherford B. Hayes was president.

    When the temperature at the National Weather Service station dipped to 58 degrees at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday, it wiped out the previous record low for the date of 60 degrees, which was set in 1877.

    NWS forecaster Bobby Boyd noted it was the third consecutive morning when Nashville either tied or broke a daily low temperature record.


    The warmer the water off our coast the better. When that happens we get lots of Ahi coming up our way. And the water gets warm enough to swim in. Most of the summer it is way too cold for me to go in.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Another good example of record HIGH temps, an indicator of nothing except LOCAL WEATHER:

    No Relief in Sight

    Updated 7:15 AM PDT, Wed, Jul 22, 2009
    Related Topics: Weather | National Weather Service

    Get used to the triple-digit temperatures.

    The Southland once again will bake under sizzling temperatures Wednesday, with the region's heat wave showing no clear sign of dissipating. The National Weather Service forecast highs in the low 100s in the San Fernando, Santa Clarita, San Gabriel and Pomona valleys and the mountains of Los Angeles County, other than the Santa Monica range.

    Because the humidity level -- now at the 20-30 percent level -- is expected to make the heat particularly uncomfortable in the mountains, an excessive heat warning will be in effect for mountain areas until at least 8 p.m.

    "The combination of temperature and humidity will create dangerously hot conditions, with heat index values climbing to 100 degrees or more" in mountain regions, according to an NWS advisory.

    The heat index is a measure of discomfort based on humidity and heat, which could peak at 105 in mountain areas Wednesday, forecasters said.

    The Antelope Valley is expected to experience highs of 108. On Tuesday, the mercury climbed to 107 in Lancaster, setting a record for a July 21, besting the one set in 2006, when the temperature in the city reached 106.

    How much longer the heat wave will last was not certain Wednesday morning as meteorologists struggled to forecast the departure of a strong upper-level high-pressure system that has been parked over the West for several days.

    One computer model indicates that it will push eastward starting Monday or Tuesday, but another one shows the system staying put, said meteorologist Jamie Meyer in a telephone interview from the NWS office in Oxnard.

    In any event, we will not see "a whole lot of change anytime soon," she said.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Same as Phoenix. We had record low temps in May and June now normal temps in July. So how is CO2 making it cold one month and hot the next. Give me a logical explanation. No worthless hockey sticks from the political left, thank you.

    By the way our normal for yesterday is 91 degrees. It made it to 96 degrees and the record set in 2006 is 111 degrees. So man must be doing something right to drop us from the records set in 2006 by 15 degrees.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    People have posted links in here before that say global warming will make weather extremes more common. Higher highs and lower lows. Bigger temperature swings.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    No one with any credibility has ever said that MMGW, if it exists, causes extreme temp changes from one year to the next. It's more gradual than that.

    It's called a "pattern" which is a word I think you have heard of.

    The "pattern" is undeniably on the "warmer" side in the last 30 years.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Here's one Lars:

    “As temperatures get warmer, there’s potential for more violent swings of the NAO — the phases becoming even more positive and even more negative,” Hughen added. “If the NAO locks more into these patterns, intense storms will become more intense and droughts will become more severe.”

    NAO is North Atlantic Oscillation, not temp, but it's an example of how global warming can swing things back and forth.

    Swings In North Atlantic Oscillation Variability Linked To Climate Warming (Science Daily)

    This one is related more to temperatures:

    Springtime Temperature Swings Attack Northeastern Forests (Science Blog)
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    I guess what I meant to say is that no one says "Every year will be warmer than the next with zero instances of temperatures getting colder"
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yeah, that works.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The bottom line is man is going to continue to increase GHG output no matter how much it is taxed by the left. It will be you and I the tax payers that are the losers. When and if cataclysmic weather causes oceans to rise, we either adapt or die. Pretty simple and no tax increases needed.

    Being a good citizen and not wasting is both beneficial to all and a cost saving to the individual. The bottom line is what comfort level we are willing to live with. I am not going to live in a cave so jerks like Al Gore can live like a king.

    Even with the temps hovering in the high 90s I rarely turn on the AC. Only when the house gets unbearable at about 83-84 degrees. Then I just cool to 80 and it feels fine.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Well I did find an interesting article to indicate that C02 emissions from passenger cars was indeed responsible for the Sahara Desert being one of the hottest and moisture free on the earth. link title ;) Or was that....? (NOT) Now they are still looking for archaelogical evidence, ala Indiana Jones for those biggie four UAW, Ford,Chrysler, GM - 10,500 BCE suv's. Now I am sure one of those would blow the antique off the 1956/1957 Chevrolet (2 door station wagon) Nomad. ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Most folks don't have much experience with this, but for a 5 year period in my life, I went in and out of earth covered structures in both the FREEZING cold, desert hot, and mercilessly hot and humid climates. Except for the opening and closing of doors (ingress and egress) those structures had very stable interior temperatures.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    And once again, I'll counter with the Montreal Protocol.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    After careful consideration I have discovered that automobiles do cause global warming. Have you ever noticed how it cools down at night when most of the cars are safely parked in their garages? Then in the morning when they become active the temp starts to climb again. Proof positive...case closed. I am thinking Nobel Prize here !!

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    LOL !!! ;)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    So what will we use in refrigerators and AC units for 2+billion Chinese and Indians?

    Now, some officials are confident the treaty can be employed to fight climate change, as well, by reducing the use of hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs). The move is controversial, as HFCs do not harm ozone and are widely used as a safer substitute for chlorofluorcarbons (CFCs), with the protocol mentioning HFCs as an attractive alternative coolant.

    HFC use is already loosely regulated under existing climate-change conventions. Though much less of a contributor to global warming than carbon dioxide, HFCs are known to have a heat-trapping effect thousands of times more powerful than CO2, and their climate impact is expected to grow as developing nations turn to HFCs for air conditioning and refrigeration.


    Are we going back to CFCs? All you blue states start digging caves, that is an order from King Barry.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Funny Edmunds.com puts China's human/car population China's Car Boom: Privately Owned Car Population Passes 13 Million @ 1.3 M /17.5 M units. US and Europe are virtually the same @ 300. M/ 255.7 M each.

    So are you ready for the SAME ratios?

    So now you know what markets the Big 4 REALLY are getting ready for.
  • avalon02whavalon02wh Member Posts: 785
    "Farmers stand to make more money than they will lose if Congress enacts legislation to limit the gases blamed for global warming, according to an analysis released Wednesday by the Agriculture Department."
    http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2009/07/23/news/local/190425.txt

    Big thumbs up for the bill. Save the world and help farmers at the same time. This bill is a slam dunk. :)
  • avalon02whavalon02wh Member Posts: 785
    http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/publication_detail.php?id=1305

    The key point of the study is that horsepower has become excessive in cars. Limiting hp to about 20 pounds/hp would increase mpg, reduce CO2 and still give people reasonable performance. We somehow survived in the 80s without a bazillion hp in our vehicles.

    One of the greatest green washing stories of the year is Ford calling the 350 hp engine in the SHO, Eco.

    Come to think of it, we also survived driving 55 mph. Driving 55 wouldn't really "gum up everyone's schedule". Think cellphone. :shades:
    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/20/study-raising-national-speed-limit-has-result- ed-in-12-500-death/

    http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1020822_so-what-will-those-42-mpg-c- ars-actually-look-like-hint-not-golf-carts
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    What a lot of bunk. That is merely robbing Peter to pay Paul. We get robbed with higher utility bills. After it gets filtered through the pockets in Congress the farmers get a pittance. You cannot really believe the Cap n Trade bill is anything but a giant tax scam? I know you are smarter than that. It makes the Ethanol scam look like kindergarten.

    Utility bills are already killing US. With the proposed Climate Bill they will go up another 50%. You really don't think the coal fired generator companies will absorb those costs. The cost of electricity raises the price of water and sewer bills in most places. I am already deciding which fruit trees to destroy as we are mandated to use less water. What will that do for CO2 in this country? Not to mention the price of citrus and avocados with 10% reduction in water.

    You are looking at this through a very narrow lens. MM/CC is a theory. A theory that has cost US $billions already and will be a big part of the downfall of this country.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Smaller engines are better if diesel fuel is used. A 4 cylinder gas engine is inadequate in all but the smallest of vehicles. I agree the HP race is a big waste of fossil fuel. We have a very long threads debating both cell phone use and 55 MPH speed limits.

    I would have started using half as much fuel a decade ago if anything was offered to fill my needs. You can thank the eco terrrorist running EPA and CARB along with protectionist tariffs.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    $79 Billion wasted to date:

    Washington, DC 7/22/2009 09:12 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)
    The US Government has spent more than $79 billion of taxpayers’ money since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, administration, propaganda campaigns, foreign aid, and tax breaks. Most of this spending was unnecessary.

    Despite the billions wasted, audits of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of “global warming” theory and to compete with a lavishly-funded, highly-organized climate monopsony. Major errors have been exposed again and again.

    Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks, which profit most, are calling for more. Experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 - $10 trillion in the near future. Hot air will soon be the largest single commodity traded on global exchanges.

    Meanwhile, in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying just $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government spends on alarmists, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in 2008 alone.

    The large expenditure designed to prove the non-existent connection between carbon and climate has created a powerful alliance of self-serving vested interests.


    Sorry to spill the beans on those that have profited from the scam.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    I'm on the verge of installing a LEASED 4.62 KW solar panel system on my roof which will provide 97% of my electricity needs.

    My monthly electric bill in 5 years including lease payment will be about $84. In 10 years, it will be $93. In 15 years, it will be $103.

    My total initial cost outlay to install the system? $1,386. One Thousand, Three Hundred, Eighty-Six dollars and a lot of common sense.

    So if I ever buy an EV, I can power it myself using my roof.

    Ah-Cha...........:)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I actually look forward to the day solar electricity (set ups) becomes as cheap or cheaper than "big screen" TV's. I am sure most everyone has parts of their roofs and siding that gets beaten on mercilessly by the sun. It might as well do something rather than deteriorate the structure and make things uncomfortably hot.

    But the truth is that would take the profit % out of the on going scams.

    It is almost getting ludicrous, how things such as: cell phones, 24/7 electrical draw phones, batteries, TV's, computers obsolete the day you literally buy them, sound systems lights, computers to operate things that don't really NEED a computer to operate things, are being labeled "GREEN. "
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Ruking1 says, "I actually look forward to the day solar electricity (set ups) becomes as cheap or cheaper than "big screen" TV's."

    Very hopeful thought, but I doubt that will be happening anytime in the immediately foreseen future.

    Will be nice to have a solar breakthrough like that, but I don't see it on the horizon.

    Maybe 10-15-20 years?
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Good for you. If those figures are accurate it is a no brainer to go ahead with the installation. Sounds like you are getting a heck of a deal.

    If you proceed it will be great if you keep us posted on the good, the bad, and the ugly. Hopefully it will be mostly good and we can get some first hand info.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That does sound like a good deal. Make sure the Leasing company is tied to the solar company. Or that you have a way out of the lease if the system quits working for you. There are horror stories to go with the good ones. The scam artists are well and selling all kinds of stuff to the unsuspecting.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."Very hopeful thought, but I doubt that will be happening anytime in the immediately foreseen future.

    Will be nice to have a solar breakthrough like that, but I don't see it on the horizon.

    Maybe 10-15-20 years? "...

    The upshot:

    Despite all the bru ha ha, it is not worth anywhere NEAR the COST EFFECTIVENESS to the power companies. It is also nothing NEAR the C02 reduction as they and the environmentalists they are in bed with (so to speak) CLAIM.

    Right now despite the so called "shaming" of (for example) The City of Cupertino, CA and the so called precedence it might engender, the cost is still app 30,000 dollars. So at the current usage with a price of .11 cents or so KWH, it will take me 556 months (aka 46.3 years) to B/E and that is being optimistic.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The Mayor is trying to warm up the City. This is the second coldest July in NYC, on record. All though we are told by the intelligentsia that the temperature is irrelevant to GW.

    The AP shows an image of a Chevrolet Suburban with a FlexFuel badge and says in the caption that it "idled on the street as he spoke at an event" on July 21. The AP listed several occasions when the mayor's Suburbans, which use E85 ethanol-blend fuel, were left to idle on Manhattan streets while he attended meetings or other events.

    Al Gore is guilty also. Recently reported that his limo was parked idling outside a venue he was giving a speech. Man Made Climate Change and or GW is a scam and these guys all know it.

    At least NYC can rest easy with the coming ice age will keep the waters from rising. :confuse:

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
    444 AM EDT FRI JUL 24 2009

    ...UNUSUALLY COOL JULY FOR CENTRAL PARK...

    FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE...HERE ARE THE TOP TEN COOLEST JULYS ON RECORD
    SINCE 1869 FOR CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY:

    COOLEST
    AVG. TEMP. YEAR
    70.7 1888
    71.9 1884
    72.1 1914
    72.3 2000/1871
    72.4 1891
    72.6 1895
    72.8 1902/1869
    72.9 1956
    73.1 1890
    73.2 2001

    DUE TO THE UNUSUALLY COOL CONDITIONS THUS FAR IN JULY...HERE ARE
    SOME INTERESTING FACTS TO NOTE...

    WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY TEMPERATURE OF 71.6...CURRENTLY RUNNING 4.7
    DEGREES BELOW NORMAL...THIS JULY IS ON TRACK FOR THE 2ND COOLEST
    ON RECORD. BELOW AVERAGE TEMPERATURES HAVE OCCURRED ON 21 OUT OF
    23 DAYS...WITH THE OTHER TWO DAYS BEING NORMAL. THERE HAVE BEEN
    ZERO ABOVE NORMAL DAYS.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Ah yes so I guess all those idling cars in rugged NYC traffic is keeping the tides literally @ BAY !!!! :blush:;)

    I take it the drill is to not let on to them that we are onto what they are onto.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    It's not the Mayor's SUV though, and he's run into the security issue where the cops want a rig available for a quick getaway in case something bad happens.

    But y'all knew that.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    You of course know the Prius has the "smart" key and ignition system. I guess those "gas spewing SUV's" have almost a magical and "time consuming and unreliable" starting procedure" that is difficult to do under pressure.....like when the command Home.... Jeeves...... is issued :confuse: Oh and those pesky details... there is NO traffic in NYC !!!! But even folks that haven't driven in NYC know that???
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yeah, I could see the mayor in a Prius.

    By the time the security unit gets done with it, what with that lift kit, bulletproof windows and extra steel in the body, it'll probably get 8 mpg.

    Twice as much as the Suburban in other words. :)
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