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The American people may be uninformed. But they see this behavior and really wonder if all the CC hype is not just that.
The electronics is an issue. A solar panel on the roof could handle some of that problem in some areas.
I don't even want to think about all the cell and laptop and radar gun power bricks that are plugged in 24/7.
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In case the voting public ever wakes up! :sick:
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July temperatures in Valley break records
Mike Branom, Tribune
July 22, 2009 - 12:26PM
Storms in recent days have brought temperatures down a notch, but no matter how the month is sliced this is still one of the hottest Julys on record.
The National Weather Service, measuring by daily highs and averages, said the stretch of July 10-20 was the warmest in the Valley's climatological history, which dates back to the 1880s.
The average maximum temperature during those 10 days was 112.7 degrees; second place is 112.1 degrees, set in 2005. Also ranking first was the average temperature of 101.2; tied for runner-up are the 100.5s reached in 2003 and 2006.
However, the average low during the 10th through the 20th was 89.6 degrees, good for third.
The Weather Service said it was notable that the high temperatures ranked above the lows. In recent years, the Phoenix area's overnight minimums have been on the rise due to the urban heat island - the effect created by asphalt, concrete and other man-made structures retaining the day's heat well into the next morning.
And this heat wave overlapped the month's first two weeks, which was among the top 10 hottest. Also, July 8-14 had the warmest average temperature (100.2 degrees) on record.
Jairam Ramesh, the Indian environment minister, accused the developed world of needlessly raising alarm over melting Himalayan glaciers.
He dismissed scientists’ predictions that Himalayan glaciers might disappear within 40 years as a result of global warming.
“We have to get out of the preconceived notion, which is based on western media, and invest our scientific research and other capacities to study Himalayan atmosphere,” he said.
India has taken the hardest line in the negotiations so far. Along with China, India refused at the meeting of the Group of Eight industrialised nations this month to sign up to a target of cutting global emissions by half by 2050. The countries were holding out to gain concessions from the west on financing.
The claims from Mr Ramesh that Western science was wrong on the question of melting Himalayan glaciers appeared to reinforce Delhi’s recalcitrant stance.
Mr Ramesh on Friday reiterated that India would not accept emissions caps to held curb global warming, Bloomberg reported. “The world has nothing to fear from India’s development ... An artifical cap is not desirable and not even necessary as we haven’t been responsible for emissions in the first place,” he said.
Earlier this week, he also challenged Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, over her appeal to India to embrace a low-carbon future and not repeat the mistakes of the developed world in seeking fast industrialisation.
So they just told you why it is hotter in Phoenix, and it doesn't have to do with increased CO2. The problem with a thermometer in a city or the city airport is that as the city gets bigger it captures and retains heat, especially one that gets a lot of sunshine.
Here in NH where we don't have any big cities, but we still have the higher CO2, the news station reported today that June was 2F BELOW average, and so far in July we are 5F BELOW average. We're nowhere near any highs. We had 1 day in May that was above 90F, and maybe this Tue we'll again break 90F for 1 day.
We have lots of clouds and rain, about 15" this month; solar panels would be of little use here.
Local weather is local weather. Not Global Warming.
Look at those that are in the GW cult. It is all about raising taxes on fossil fuel usage. It is agenda fed hype. Even if the Global temps are going up, the emerging 3rd World is not going to slow down their growth. So we cut our usage, that gives them more fossil fuel to use. Probably with less pollution controls.
It is pretty clear that the head in the sand deniers do not understand the difference between weather and climate. The closer we get to the truth the more you hear the shrill cry. It must be tough when your beliefs run smack into the wall of reality - like GCC.
"FOR as long as people have taken the temperature of the seas they have never been so warm."
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/warmest-seas-on-record-20090724-dw6c.html
Strong Evidence That Cloud Changes May Exacerbate Global Warming
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090723141812.htm
"Climate Change Influences The Size Of Marine Organisms: Big Advantage For The Small"
ScienceDaily (July 23, 2009) — "The ice is melting, the sea level is rising and species are conquering new habitats. The warming of the world climate has many consequences."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090723081800.htm
"Oregon Governor Signs Climate Change Bills, Including Low Carbon Fuel Standard and B2"
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/oregon-20090724.html#more
Yeah!!!!!!!!!! :shades:
1. Lower CO2 emissions
2. Better mpg
3. Less oil imports
4. Fewer deaths
"Study Concludes That Higher Speed Limits in US Have Resulted in a 3.2% Increase in Road Fatalities
21 July 2009"
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/uic-speed-20090721.html
Hmmm, would that include Al Gore and his lackey scientist Hansen? They used the term "Global Warming" up until it was clear the warming trend had turned into a cooling trend. Then to hold onto their money making scam, the name got changed to
"Climate Change". How convenient is that? Or did I miss something being a stupid common tax payer?
Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them.
We have a significant difference of opinion within the scientific community. I will take the word of a scientist over a liberal reporter.
This is puzzling in part because here on the surface of the Earth, the years since 2003 have been some of the hottest on record. But Josh Willis at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming.
In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. So Willis has been studying the ocean with a fleet of robotic instruments called the Argo system. The buoys can dive 3,000 feet down and measure ocean temperature. Since the system was fully deployed in 2003, it has recorded no warming of the global oceans.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
Is NOAA giving US the whole story? Or has this Congress and Administration in their exuberance to tax the crap out of US, squelched legitimate scientific data? We know NASA scientists were told what to say in the last two administrations. Why would that change?
In the case of Man Made GW, Politics has trumped science World wide. We have spent $79 billion to date on GW/CC. My guess, is most went into pockets of people that did little or no Honest research. Why not spend that money on something that would actually help people?
In 2007 it is estimated that 7.6 million people died due to various forms of cancer and the projections show that 13% of all deaths are due to this disease.
With such a worldwide impact it's no wonder that so many people are looking into a cure and asking how much money is spent on cancer research? Well there really isn't an exact answer due to the fact that several companies have different funding and others give private donations. But here are some of the facts that we do know from the medical world. Since 1946 it is said that the American Cancer Society has invested over $2 billion in research trying to find a cure.
You can spin the whole GW/CC anyway you like. The truth is a few people are getting wealthy (A.Gore) and nothing will be accomplished. It is a scam pushed by the flim flam man himself. Makes sense. His daddy was one of the biggest crooks in Congress.
On another issue evidently North Korea was none to happy with Sec H. Clinton's visit as they used the "diplomatic" opportunity to refer to her as a "school girl".
I am thinking the two liberal reporters convicted in North Korean courts of character and border violations might get thrown under the bus so to speak, if the US doesn't pony up with HUGE black mail monies. It was done under the 8 Clinton years. As most folks know AG was the VP and H. Clinton was the first lady.
It is probably more than obvious the real voice behind North Korean's "Its Howdy Doo dee Time " is....China. Yet there are those who say the entertainment Ventriloquism is DEAD.
Al Gore is truly the modern day Pied Piper !! My hat is off to him as being the most successful con man in history. Just think of the bullet we dodged when 'ol George snookered him out of the Presidency !!
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We are being pushed in the wrong direction, and "Global Warming/Climate Change is just another phase of the nasty BS/hoax being pushed to narrow our life styles.
At 76, I am really happy to have lived during the "best of times", however truly sad to see the what is in store for my kids and grandchildren..
Spent 30 yrs on the Supplier side of the Big3 game, the last 15 as a straight-commissioned manufacturers rep, which allowed me to spend winters in Fla, and summers on the golf courses in Mich. The Big3 has been decimated by design over years by our eco-nuts and the Democrats..Regretfully I have 70% of my dough in Michigan real estate, land which now is probably 15 yrs away from any profit.
The situation of "Cap & Trade" is a money scam for weathly investors, politicans, and control of your life. Just remember the "elites" are your "saviour", for they will "Level the Playing field" and you will be able to feel better that your neighbor is well taken care with your tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$sss.. Wide spread poverty and dependent on the Govt..by design of Barack..
At 66 I feel exactly as you do. I have had the advantages that America offers its CITIZENS. Now my children and grandchildren are holding on for dear life. The prospects for success are diminishing daily. Unless you are happy to have a ghetto apt with a big screen TV. With daily messages from the messiah on how your day is going.
The recent energy bills, the Cap n Trade so called climate bill and now the worst of the worst Health care bill, will drive US over the cliff. I know your dilemma. A big share of my wealth is tied up in CA Real Estate. Not much better than Michigan REI.
..."If you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien of the United States and you live abroad, you are taxed on your worldwide income. However, you may qualify to exclude from income up to $87,600 of your foreign earnings. In addition, you can exclude or deduct certain foreign housing amounts."...
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UPDATE: It's not just the surface land temps -- Blog reader Tim points out "Water temps at Frying Pan Shoals (off Cape Fear) fell to 78 degrees a few days ago; NDBC historical data shows this occurs only 0.3% of the time in July!" Here's a look at the weekly departure from normal sea-surface temperatures:
First, some stats. 1,044 daily record low temperatures have been broken this month nationwide according to NCDC -- count record "low highs" and the number increases to 2,925, surely to pass 3,000 before the end of the month. Some thoughts on the 'low highs" below.*
http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?blog=weathermatrix&partner=&pgUrl=/- mtweb/content/weathermatrix/archives/2009/07/1000_low_temp_records_set_this_july- .asp
If by "farm" you mean Cargill or Monsanto I would agree. If you mean any business that actually grows crops I say give me some of what you are smoking.
A few years ago the Agriculture Department had to admit in front of Congress that many of it's policies and programs touted to help individual farms actually hurt all but the few largest agribusiness.
Did you know that at this moment they are trying to pass laws that will give the government the power to regulate rain that falls on a farm?
Keep quoting those government agencies...a few more slices of baloney and you can open a deli. :sick:
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I tend to agree. No one really NEEDS 300hp in a family car. 150-175hp would be OK for all but big SUVs and trucks. I would let the market regulate that however. Who is the government to tell me I can't buy a fast sports car?
What would come next, big brother telling you that you have to eat broccoli?
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I applaud your self reliance. Better save some money for guns and ammo though. If C&T goes through your house lights may attract all the starving people who couldn't pay their regular electric service.
I was reading that solar electric cost about 25 cents/kilowatt hour vs. 5 cents for wind power. Since the sun has been scarce this summer maybe I'll install a windmill. Ooops, can't do that, zoning laws you know.
Guess I just buy some guns.
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Funny you mention that. The Times Square Naked Cowboy is running for mayor.
Maybe with global warming he won't have that shrinkage problem any more. :P
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Amen, brother. When I went into farming full time in 1976, I had heard about all the great government programs for farmers. It is a lie unless you are huge or farm tobacco. The only program I was able to take advantage of was borrowing money at a very high rate of interest against my grain in the Bins. I did it one year 1978 and ended up the extra I got in the Spring did not cover the interest on the loan. Never once did I get offered money not to grow a crop. The Feds have done NOTHING to protect the small family farmer. Now with the limits on water I am not going to be able to plant a decent garden next year. I will be ripping out about half my fruit trees to save on water. Much of our fruit and vegetables come from Mexico and South as it is. Thanks to poor planning by our local, state and federal government. You cannot keep allowing people to build in places without water and not have a shortage. CA needs to put a complete stop to building more homes unless they can come up with a new source of water.
We have so many problems that make GW/CC seem totally insignificant. Quit wasting money on chasing red herring and start addressing the REAL issues facing this country. $79 billion wasted on GW and they still cannot tell me what the weather will be tomorrow. Oh, but they know what it will be 100 years from now, Sheesh what a bunch of losers running the show.
That's what our town government told us when we asked for a tax break. If we were bigger we would pay less. :confuse:
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Tell me that's in your back yard not your farm.
From what I've read CA has destroyed the strawberry farms with various restrictions and are now working on the chicken/egg farms with "animal welfare" nonsense. Now they'll chase the fruit production down south too.
I'm so glad I'm about to retire.
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I am going to get rid of the cherry trees as the birds eat the fruit before we can harvest them. Same goes for the grapes. It is a war against the squirrels, Rabbits, possum, racoons and crows. I spend more on pesticides than fertilizer each year. I am about to quit except for a small green house. This is the last year I grow corn as it takes so much water in the high heat days. I love to grow things. Just tired of the battle with critters and high utility bills.
Al Gore better not count on me to suck up his excess CO2.
The issue of greenhouse tariffs has met bitter opposition from developing countries such as China and India, who count on the developed world to buy their exports as they build their economies in the face of the worst financial crisis in decades.
Matthias Machnig, Germany's State Secretary for the Environment, told a news briefing on Friday that a French push for Europe to impose carbon tariffs on imports from countries that flout rules on carbon emissions would send the wrong signal to the international community.
"There are two problems -- the WTO (World Trade Organization), and the signal would be that this is a new form of eco-imperialism," Machnig said.
"We are closing our markets for their products, and I don't think this is a very helpful signal for the international negotiations."
Will the Climate Change Zealots push US into WW3? They very well could with their mindset.
Way to go, Drama King....:) That's helpful. Add even more paranoia to the bonfire.
The paranoia is a product of the GW/CC cult pure and simple. I am trying to think of ONE positive result we have gotten from the $79 billion in taxes wasted on Climate research to date. Parading pictures of cuddly Polar bears to our children and claiming they are dying because of global warming is a terror tactic.
And don't play dumb, please - you know full well where the benefits are.
Clean alternative fuel technology - i.e. BlueTec, ULSD, hybrids. You think hybrids would have made it to market without the threat of what pollution has done and can do to the Earf?
Recycling programs all over the USA and the world, recycling millions of tons of waste that would otherwise be piling up in landfills.
Wind power projects around the world - China is shooting for 30 GIGAWATTS of wind power generation by 2020.
Green buildings and the LEED projects around the world, building energy-efficient and chemical-neutral infrastructure.
Widespread use of LED bulbs reducing home and building kilowatt usage around the world.
PZEV cars being forced on the carmakers.
That's only the few I can quickly think of. There are MANY, MANY others.
Kissinger and his cabal are smiling right now. I dream of a purge to find these guys.
The climate industry is costing taxpayers $79 billion and counting
Washington, DC 7/22/2009 09:12 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
All your claims for advances in emissions reduction are a result of the EPA & others long before Al Gore was pushing his money making GW scheme. It was only in the last year that the EPA under pressure from the Democrats even considered CO2 a problem. At least 50% of the population is questioning the validity of all the GW Hype. Not to mention 1000s of scientists that are not buying into the scam.
By the way. The eco terrorist threat was global cooling in the 1970s when the most advances in automobile emissions was made. Remember leaded gas. I do. You could not breath in LA when I was a kid. Todays air even in the worst places is great by comparison. The latest moves such as PZEV are really counter productive and over priced. Of course removing sulfur from gas and diesel was a big plus for US all. Something our government was paid well to look the other way on.
Indeed this is soooo logical as to defy description. What would Larsb say to a PZEV or Prius trying to do a 100,000 test on the old LEADED regular gasoline??? It was those VERY same agencies that in effect enforced LEADED regular to premium use for the decades and generations of its use. YET it is only since Oct 2006 (seems like 100 years ago eh) that D2 has started the mandated 15 ppm to 5 ppm for "ULSD". Indeed RUG to PUG is 2 to 18 times dirtier (new or shall I say old revelations put this at 30-90 ppm sulfur) than D2.
RUG to PUG UN leaded mandates started in the latter 70's.
As I stated in another post RUG to PUG can be 90 ppm sulfur with so called magical $ offsets to the US coffers.............. D2 HAS to be 15 to 5 ppm. There are no off line off sets as there is with RUG to PUG. Needless to say 98% of passenger vehicle fleet is of the dirtier as well as more consumptive (like models) RUG to PUG. You would think that after 30 plus years they could at least get the ppm sulfur to the target of 30 ppm!!!!
Was "Joe Public" fully aware of the dangers of being wasteful before AlGore and the similar preachers started in earnest and it was picked up by the media?
Or was "living green" to most Americans a signal of being a Hippie?
I say the preaching has helped make Americans more aware of how a green lifestyle and how taking a second to think about conservation issues is a good idea.
Radicals on both end are always there and will always be there, on EVERY issue.
Anyone with common sense knows that "everything in moderation" is a rule to live by.
That tells me all I need to know about the $79 billion figure...........(massaged)
Well what is that euphemism, one man's .... is another man's....???
There can be no doubt that someone like AG (in his own mind) is living the severe austerity lifestyle...
For example, how can you argue with someone who owns and operates a sea going 300 foot vessel. After all, he might have come down from a.....600 foot one. Lower carbon foot print you know....
I would say organizations like Sierra Club and Greenpeace have played a much bigger role in making people aware of the damage we are causing to the environment. Though I do not see the correlation between CC terrorist tactics and being good stewards of the environment. GW Bush is a better poster child for being a good steward of the environment. His home is truly eco friendly while Gore just pushes his agenda to keep getting richer. I believe in sensible solutions to our use of fossil fuel and not abusing the earth.
My take is all the GW Cult has done is polarize the populace. People that would cut back are being shoved the other direction by the lies and half truths they hear from the likes of Al Gore the media and Congress. Here is another sample of GW paranoia:
Climate change could cause global conflicts as large as the two world wars but lasting for centuries unless the problem is controlled, a leading defence think tank has warned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/charlesclover/3340468/Climate-chan- ge-may-put-world-at-war.html
http://www.livescience.com/environment/071121-gw-war.html
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I don't think so. They did a job in their own arena, which is at the radical fringes of green activism.
But MASS adoption of conservation and recycling and "greening" of the more average American has occurred within the last 5-8 years.
Until the mass media outlets picked it up and started publishing hundreds of stories about the dangers of GW, the average Joe Public was mostly uninformed.
You got it backwards. Now the public is totally uninformed and confused. We had separate containers for recycle as far back as 1995 here in San Diego. Places like HI do little or no recycle as it is not cost effective.
As far as saving fuel. I bought a VW Bug in 1967 to save fossil fuel. Where have you been? We used our paper towels and laid them out to dry and used them several times when I first got married in 1964. Nothing was wasted back then. Now it is hard to believe the immense waste in the World. Take electronics for an example. Very little of an old computer and CRT are recycled. Most end up in the landfills. Recycling is not all it is cracked up to be.
Speaking of media types. I get on average a waste basket full of unsolicited literature for every kind of conservation group known to man each week. I keep the free return mailing labels and dump the rest into the trash. Most slick paper goods are not recyclable. Too much clay in the paper.
I sent a letter to Audubon Society canceling my long time subscription, with this message. As long as you are going to waste my time with a bunch of unsubstantiated GW propaganda, you can keep your magazine. They keep sending the free stuff hoping I will support them again.
As long as my carbon footprint is smaller than your hero A. Gore, I am doing more than my fair share. I will vote against any politician that signs on to the GW Scam.