and that still does not change the fact that glaciers and other ice packs all over the world are shrinking, with a few exceptions, of course.
Yes, like a few months ago the article that I posted that in Europe in the Alps the glaciers started retreating right around 1860. And the fact that the Vikings lived in Greenland in places where the glaciers then grew but are now shrinking. What this means is that glaciers grow and shrink despite the fact that man wasn't industrialised until the last centruy. I'm sure I've seen science shows that showed the Earth has at times been totally free of ice, and at times covered with ice right to the Equator. Because ice is growing or shrinking (change) is not surprising, except you think it is.
And droughts are increasing.
And extreme weather events are increasing in number.
Bulloney. You're getting that story from the same alarmists who want everyone to be afraid. Our local TV station has been doing a 2-minute bit each day on weird weather in N.E. and today's was the july4th, 1898 tornado, which New England rarely gets tornados. The worst flood was chronicled as in 1930 being at least 5' higher than ever. The worst snowstorm was about 1940. Many Indian tribes were wiped out 1,000 years ago by a century-long drought in the West. I have seen no data proving we have more extreme weather than 100, 500, or 1,000 years ago. In fact climatologists predictions of a few years ago - of very bad hurricanes increasing, has not happened. The worst hurricane here in New England was back in the 1930's. The hottest weather ever recorded in North America was in Canada about 100 years ago.
You're listening to witch-doctor scientists if you believe those stories. And you're now afraid everytime the volcano rumbles, that you need to pay tribute to the witch-doctor.
Well, your point is valid that natural forces sometimes cause glaciers to recede. But the problem with that valid point is that we DO NOT KNOW if THESE PARTICULAR shrink events are natural or man-enhanced. We just DON'T KNOW.
Why bury our head in the sand and say, "OH, it's just nature taking it's course, silly willy !!!" ????
Drought news does not come from spin doctors (or web doctors.) Drought data cannot be faked.
Noone said that the drought data you're looking at was faked. I'm not sure what you're considering. But again are the people telling you how awful the current drought is, comparing that data to a significant period of Earth's time. Worse than anytime in the last 1,000, 10,000, or 100,000 years? If the current data doesn't standout as significantly different, than yes you are always going to wonder.
Simply because someone tells me that the temperature has gone up a little ove rthe last 100 years, or we have a drought the last 20 years in the West, does not impress me unless someone can show me that this is significantly different than the historical scientific record. The frozen mammoths they find in the ice in Siberia and other arctic areas, is pretty good proof that the Earth all on its own has had sudden, extreme climate changes. The burden of proof is on scientists to show not just that CO2 is increasing, or that temperatures are warming, or that ice is melting, but to show how this stands out as different than the many examples we can show of the Earth's changes in the past. We KNOW of extreme changes in the past, and we can logically expect current and future changes. The Earth has not suddenly become conscious and said "oh Man is here in the 21st century, and I'll stop changing. All climate changes are due to man."
Nature is chaotic. Humanity is along for the ride, at this point. If we're around in a civilized-state in 1,000 years maybe we'll have the power to control nature. All our power plants, automobiles and fuels burnt are insignificant compared to the amount of energy that hits the Earth from the Sun everyday, and the amount of energy from the Sun can vary over the years, as well as the cloud-cover it makes.
Well, your point is valid that natural forces sometimes cause glaciers to recede. But the problem with that valid point is that we DO NOT KNOW if THESE PARTICULAR shrink events are natural or man-enhanced. We just DON'T KNOW.
What did a few hundred thousand Vikings do around the year 1,000 to make the coastal areas of Greenland inhabitable? What did the Woolie Mammoths do to first melt the ice in the arctic, and then get buried under 100' feet of ice? Were there a lot of Flintstone-mobiles around then?
As Group 4 leader of my local garage, I'm in charge of inputting all data concerning gas pumped in to my minivan and wagon. I never ( :shades: ) make a transcription error when I write the gallons down in my log book and then transfer those data to my spreadsheet. My wife is better with me with numbers so there's only the rare occasion when she forgets to write the fill-up in the book. Even then I can usually find the raw data from pawing through the credit card receipts.
Having older cars, I have few qualms about loaning them out to friends when they come visit. Often these friends return the favor by filling up the tank. Unless I remember to ask, I rarely get fill-up information. And one couple likes to put $10 of gas in the tank at a time.
So I do cherry pick and make up some of the data. But after a decade of collecting data points, the few errors simply don't affect the outcome. I can look at my gas usage and tell you what my mpg has been averaging over the years, and tell you what the trend is. There's even a scientific word for this process - normalization.
So just keep collecting the data - the occasional bad data set isn't likely to affect the overall result.
Speaking of mpg, my wife wanted me to drive her over to Independence, MO. this morning to a mall there (who knows why). I was low on gas but since gas is routinely 15 to 20 cents cheaper on the MO. side (we live in Johnson Cty. KS.), I just put in about 3 gal in KS. so I could fill up with the cheaper gas in MO. Me being rather tight fisted.
Shortly before arriving at our destination I noticed that my trip computer was telling me that I had achieved 27 mpg on the current tank. Normally it is about 22 mpg.
Now through the marvel of computer wizardry, my car knows when I fill the tank and resets the mpg figure for the current tank. Apparently, since I did not fill the tank but only put in 3 gal. the figure did not reset and fooled the computer into thinking I was getting 27 mpg.
I am sharing this info with you all so that you too can improve your gas mileage !!
But if you made your career and a lot of $ predicting that your vehicle with a Tornado can get a slightly different mpg than normal, you might be tempted to cherry-pick the data all 1-way, underestimating how much gas someone put in. You could do little things like say "they must have put the $10 in at the expensive full-serve station"; or you might just say "I know John has a heavy foot so I can't count that data". There's all kinds of things you could do, with you data-set. You could eliminate the data with the snow-tires, as what you want to report is "normal" conditions. And you could build in a little correction-factor, because you let your car idle (warm-up) in the cold weather. So in the end if your career is to prove the Tornado improves mpg, and you're going to get a lot of $ to prove so, I'm sure you can take all your data, make a sound case of what data you use, and present the result. Meanwhile if you don't allow access to that data, who's going to be able to see exactly how you get your conclusion. So yes I suspect the organizations making the billions of $, will have some bias. So normalization only works if you don't have bias in the data methodology, and data used. Remember that even Einstein used a "correction factor" in his Theory of Relativity because he had a bias. That correction-factor was a biased rejection of the mathematical facts, that he held onto for many years until Hubble showed Einstein that the universe was expanding. Einstein had a personal bias of what he wanted the physical reality to be; do I suspect the scientists leading the IPCC don't? + an additional few billion reasons to want MMGW to exist?
Man can only effect processes locally,by virtue of overloading the remedies inherent in the eco system balance,engineered in. The universe has energetic processes clocking and clocking into prominence to effect everything from babies to heighth growth to excesses of various energetic components that have major effects on our weather. Hey,hey, hey, hear ye,hear ye. The blue moon process is now effecting us. When you folks wake up and find out you have been scammed by your fav university,will you seek a remedy of return of your tuition????
Do you completely dismiss with bias the very idea that man might be affecting the climate negatively?
If we are making the planet warmer, to any significant degree, the regulations implemented so far are only making it worse. Charging utility customers higher rates so that alternative power sources can be put online is having a negative impact, at least in my area. Three years ago when I moved into this area it was unusual to see smoke rising from any of the chimneys. I just walked down the hill to pick up the mail. All my neighbors have wood fires to warm their homes. I also have a fire in my Obama wood burning stove. Two good reasons. Propane which we all use, has gone way up in price. We are facing the coldest year on record. We barely made it up to 50 degrees today. That is 21 degrees below our normal for this time of year. I see Phoenix is well below normal. The positive is me getting out splitting the logs I hauled out of the woods. Maybe that was what Obama had in mind with the $1500 tax credit I got last year for buying a wood stove insert for my bedroom fireplace. If they had offered it this year I would have put one in the living room fireplace.
larsb, I think most, if not all of us, respect your views here. Although we disagree with your conclusions, we realize that you are sincere in your beliefs.
From the volume of your posts and all the articles that you link, I think it is safe to say that you read a lot, so you must be exposed to articles that are opposed to your views. But even though you are honest and sincere, you normally only link to articles that support your views, as do the rest of us.
That is the type of thing that kernick is referring to, not out and out dishonesty. We are all biased in some way, and that includes your "scientists". We would all be better off to take a common sense approach and consider both sides of the discussion.
My view is that Man does affect the climate, but in such a small way that it does not warrant the huge amounts of money being spent to "study" the situation by supporting an army of scientists and researchers living high on the backs of tax payers. I would have no problem with studying climate change if the research was privately funded.
Associating me with a Tornado - another fun post. :shades:
If my results aren't "normal" even after I've normalized, someone over on Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets will call me on it. Either based on reviewing my data or lambasting me for refusing to make the data available. Or by looking at their own data sets.
But yeah, hiding the data wouldn't be kosher.
On a green note, I pushed around 4" of snow today but didn't attempt cranking up the gas powered snowblower. Nor did either car move from the garage. I'm not yet to the point of cranking up the wood stove that's hooked into the forced air system in the basement though.
I've told you before that man must affect the climate; BUT it is very, very little. I have taken 5 calcualus courses in my time, have a degree in engineering, worked as an engineer for 20+ years, and analyze R&D and manufacturing variation as part of my job. I understand the math that when someone tells me the amount of energy that strikes the Earth on an average day is equal to all of humankinds energy output for the year that the energy striking the Earth and creating clouds, is much more a factor as a greenhouse gas than the little CO2 that we make.
The other person who has a great math and science background that hasn' t posted here in a whjile was the host-tidester. He told you also that the scientific community for the most part is biased, going along on a loose theory that's a gravy-train for scientists.
You have refused to listen that scientists who have had much to gain and political backing have been wrong many times during history. The MMGW movement is being led by a charletan whom we all don't like, who has proven time and time again to have acted on issues to promote his own wealth, and poltiical power (he just admitted another example with the corn ethanol).
You need to question why you have such a strong belief in these MMGW advocates when history shows you that climate-change is normal. You need to ask yourself is this really that different then any other time, and when you come back with theanswer no, then you must ask how can the scientists tell the difference. nd if they can't tell the difference but are making $30B on various mitigation and studies around the world, then ask yourself how hard it is for manuy of these extra climatologists to give up their grants, and maybe end up driving a cab.
You should see the Mason jars wired up on my kitchen table.
Yeah, I miss seeing Tides in here too (ClaireS has the knack of pointing out fallacies in here too, in case you haven't noticed). Still, it's fun posting the links, and there's a dozen new ones every day.
What was that Serbian Jakubec doing with all that stuff? No word if he was a Muslim that I can find. If not what was his motivation? I know wrong thread. Just read all I could find on the guy. He was also issued a pilot's license recently. Also charged with two bank robberies.
I see this discussion is still raging on! It's funny how little has changed despite the fact that the science has been shown to be pretty shaky (at best) and shoddy. "Climategate" happened almost exactly a year ago and confirmed what some of us already knew. Somehow, the MSM missed the event and its aftermath.
For those who aren't really into the science, you should dig up the draft of the Copenhagen accord that everyone was supposed to sign on to last year and read it. It will provide you with a clear sense of what "climate change" is all about. Here's a clue: it's not about science!
I hope everyone is doing well and that you have a wonderful holiday season!
I forgot about the mason jar cold fusion experiment. The current use of mason jars in San Diego, is a bit closer to home. Wackos come in all shapes, colors and sizes.
These times ARE completely different than other times in human history - at least as far as we KNOW.
We've never had 6.5 billion people using up resources and polluting.
We've never had this level of consumption of earth's resources.
We've never had this many vehicles on the planet.
We've never polluted more bodies of water at these levels.
The Earf has never been as old as it is today.
The Earf is like man - it's timeclock is ticking too. It ticks toward doom as do all of us.
All these things factor in to how much or little or fast the Earf can "rebuild itself" after the impact of all of us.
I don't have a "strong belief in MMGW" per se. No lefty elitists have brainwashed me. The only people to ever brainwash me was the Marine Corps, and that was in a GOOD way.
I DO have a "we can't rule it out" belief, and nothing can change that until at some point, someone ACTUALLY produces unquestionable data that proves it one way or the other.
What if you had to give up one of your 5 favorite things? Would anybody's car be on their list of 5 things they would not want to give up? 1. house I live in 2. car 3. flat screen tv in the family room 4. computer 5. remote control for the tv funny. so far this list is in decending order of carbon footprint. That means that I might possibly like things that use energy and cause global warming in order of their blame by most for causing it.
So I should have my second favorite thing taken away? No, I will just get a job where I try to make something this world uses work more efficiently. That will be my pass that allows me to continue to comsume resources. I'll pass on riding the bike until I move to the neighborhood where my job is, the trip is highly safe (like has a 6 airbags level of safety), I remember to increase my AD&D insurance, and the weather is just right.
My trend in vehicles is such that the farther I want to drive it, the more I want it to hold.
I already gave up the TV and remote so I must have a tiny carbon footprint. I think the vehicle would be the last. I could survive in an RV easier than giving up my vehicle. I refuse to live close enough to other people that using a bike or bus would be practical. Maybe if I moved to one of those retirement communities in Florida where it is flat I could use a bicycle. I have thought of that. My wife does not like Florida or places without mountains so we are probably where we will stay for now. That means a vehicle is mandatory. If hybrids were to ever become cost effective I may consider one. Not likely in the foreseeable future.
Perth has had its warmest and sunniest spring on record, topping the season off with a heat wave.
The mean maximum temperature for the season was 25.3 degrees Celsius, well above the average of 23 and the warmest since records began in 1897.
"The record was completely and utterly smashed," Bureau of Meteorology climate information officer John Relf said. Advertisement: Story continues below
The previous record was 24 degrees reached in 1969 and 2006.
Perth also experienced its sunniest spring on record with 10.1 hours of sunshine per day, above the average of 9.3 hours.
It also experienced the most number of hot days, defined as 32 degrees or higher, with 12 such days.
The city also had its fourth driest spring on record with only 75.8mm of rain falling on 14 days of the season.
It was the warmest November on record for Perth with a mean maximum temperature of 29.6 degrees, well above the average of 26.2.
Which all goes to show. The weather will do as it likes with no help from feeble man. One areas blessing is another places misery. As long as the Eco nuts are going to change the weather, I would like it to be 70-80 day and night year round. With rain every few days to water my garden. Designer weather for all. I think Kernick and I will be staking claims in Greenland the new garden spot on the planet.
My niece is in Perth and says the weather is great. Her husband plays B'Ball in the Australian professional league there.
Heavy snow and subzero temperatures swept across Europe, killing at least eight homeless people in Poland, closing major airports in Britain and Switzerland and causing hundreds of highway accidents.
n Poland, police said eight men died Tuesday night after a bitter cold front roared in, with temperatures falling to around -20 Celsius (-4 Fahrenheit). Police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski said the men, from different parts of the country, had been drinking. The eastern Polish city of Bialystok hit -26 Celsius (-15 Fahrenheit) on Tuesday night.
Winter weather caused some 2,000 accidents on German roads Tuesday, officials said.
Police in northern Austria said a 69-year-old retiree froze to death overnight when he slipped on a snow-covered bridge on his way home from a funeral and lost consciousness.
I think if you took a poll most people would rather it was getting warmer than colder. Australia had one of the coldest winters on record. So I hope they appreciate me driving my SUV an extra mile to warm them up this Spring.
It's hard to imagine summertime heat as much of the Northeast braces for a winter storm, but new research quantifies just how much mortality rates spike in the United States during heat waves: 3.75 percent, on average, based on heat waves dating back to 1987 in 43 cities.
The study, published last week by the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, is one of the largest to explore the impacts of prolonged periods of high temperatures. It found that heat wave deaths increased 2.5 percent for each 1ºF increase in heat intensity and 0.4ºF for each additional day a heat wave lasted.
With heat waves expected to increase in duration, intensity and frequency in the future under various climate models, the study could have important ramifications for policy makers, the authors noted.
"Our results indicate that the health impacts of heat waves vary dramatically across communities," said Michelle Bell, an associate professor of environmental health at Yale University and a study co-author. "In order to study how climate change may affect human health, we need to understand these systems in the present day."
The study found longer, more intense heat waves were more common in the South than the North or Midwest, with most heat waves lasting two to three days. Yet mortality impacts were more pronounced in the Northeast and Midwest than compared to the South.
More problematic was trend in timing. In most communities analyzed across the country, the authors found the most intense and lengthy temperature spikes came early in the summer.
That first heat wave of the season generally saw the biggest spike in deaths, according to the research - a 5 percent increase, versus 2.7 percent for heat waves later in the summer.
As someone who has suffered in both extreme heat and extreme cold, I can tell you that's it's easier to get comfortable in a cold house in the winter not using the heater than it is to get comfy in a hot house in the summer not using the A/C.
In the winter, you can bundle up, take a hot bath, etc. In summer, for people in heat waves and no A/C, there is not really any relief.
Go outside and turn the sprinkler on and cool off. I will take the heat any day over the cold. I have probably survived more cold weather than most of the posters here with 25 years working in the Arctic. When the wind blew against our side of the camp it was impossible to get the room temperature above 45 degrees. You slept with heavy wool socks and all the cloths you could get on under as many covers as you had. People have lived in super hot climates in the Middle East for Centuries without AC. You live in a strange place for someone that does not like the heat over the cold. More people die from cold exposure than heat would be my guess.
PS You need to talk to some of the people in the Midwest that were without electricity for a week or more last winter. No heat unless they had a wood burning stove.
That seems to be a fact. You go where the work is would be my advice. Have a great December. Looks like a cool one in your part of the country. We may get to 70 today. I'm not complaining as that will be welcome.
Backatcha Gary. We had 25 degrees in my driveway yesterday morning, and not much warmer today. A great break from the 115s of only a couple of months ago.
The definition of a heat-wave here in new England is several days above 90F. Now if you have a few people who die while it is 95F or maybe even reaching 100F for 1 day, then if it is the heat-alone that kills them, how come when it is 110F or more in your area, that everyone doesn't die?
I'll tell you why. Because people who die from heat at 95F or 100F have some other serious health issue already. The heat is only the "final-straw" to their problem. The other 99.99% of the healthy population has no problem.
Now with the cold you have just the opposite. If you put people in a 0F environment without much shelter, clothing, or heat, for a few days, you'll have 99.99% of them dead or dying. The David Blaine types might survive.
People around the globe live in 110F+ temperatures all the time. People with serious health issues can die when you have 95F heat-waves.
And if you consider most people like the weather between 70-80F, and the average global temperature is still < 60F, the Earth can surely warmup, and we'll trade a little land that's too warm (like vacate Sun Valley), in exchange for all the new liveable land that we'll get in the northern climes.
Burn, baby burn. Burn the coal and oil and warmup the planet. I hate winter, and love the modest summer we get.
it has been as low as -4 here in Elko, NV, in the last week. That's the lowest I saw on my car's outside thermometer. If I was without shelter walking around or nestling up somewhere to keep warm, I would die within about 5 or 6 hours. I tell you what, I am going to bed in my pants and my Seattle Seahawks thick sweatshirt lately. Right now it's 36 degrees here and it is feeling very warm.
I'm with you. For example, working out in the direct sun today it felt nice and warm. I would say 75 degrees. In reality it was only 62 degrees on my big old fashioned mercury thermometer in the shade. So what does the RAWS gauge send back to the wonks at the NWS? 79 degrees, there gauge has to be right in the direct sun all day. A full 17 degrees warmer than it actually was. And people expect me to believe the data used to concoct the AGW scam.
SOUTHERN ARIZONA - A number of locations feel record low temperatures this morning, says News 4 Meteorologist Chris Nallan.
Tucson, Douglas, Benson, and Safford are just a few that feel the extreme cold this morning. Tucson dropped to 23 breaking the previous record 24 set back in 1934. Douglas shatterd the record of 19 set back in 2004 dropping to 11. Benson also broke a record plunging down to 10 degrees early this morning.
ILUV, you would be cold where ever you are at. Your old stompin ground in Seattle is covered in snow. Now Wilcox is setting low temps. Better be getting ready for the next ice age. We can blame it on the ECO NUTS. I am sure they are the cause.
just how can you splane this, then? GW is going on? I don't think so, man.
More like global freezing. I've been so cold in the last several days that my stomach muscles are starting to tense up. And then relax. Time for AG to make a speech and convince us all that he's the man and he's right. He's certainly rich.
And it's still about 3 weeks until the start of winter.
Next summer I'm going to the beach as much as I can. I'll go back to many of the same spots that I did as a kid 40 years ago. That kinda tells me that despite the hyperbole, that the oceans really haven't risen. In fact the oceans really haven't risen in hundreds of years of man's increasing effect, unless they keep moving Plymouth Rock each year. It seems it's right on the ocean's edge; right where it was 400 years ago.
So we go back to the same old answer time and after time - there has been no significant change in the climate during man's industrialisation and use of all sorts of machines. Automobiles is approx. 15% of the energy we use, so that is < significant.
Well it goes back to one of the myths pushed on the gullible public about the ice melting and causing the oceans to rise. That has been debunked so many times. It is a kindergarten experiment. You fill a glass with ice and water. When the ice melts you do not have your glass over flow.
I would fear being washed away more by a tsunami than ice at the poles melting. And that is also in question. It looks like Antarctic ice is gaining much faster than Arctic ice is receding. Then it depends on which scientist you believe and who has funded them.
How about the "party" be at Liar Al's big beach house on the CA beach that was supposed to be under several feet of water in a few years?
I don't think he's a liar any more than anyone here presenting their argument as fact. It's all in how the information is interpreted. I could be wrong about Big Al, but he seems genuine to me. He has enough money that he doesn't need to be an environmental advocate.
I don't think he's a liar any more than anyone here presenting their argument as fact.
So you think he really believes the bunk he sells? Like the 11 known falsehoods in the movie "Inconvenient Truth"? That in itself would not have put me on a rampage against Al Gore. What did, was ignorant school districts forcing little minds in grade school to watch that crap. I would like to believe that adults when given the facts will make an educated decision on whether to believe or not to believe any theory. When theory is stated as fact and beaten into our school children I feel we should hold those people responsible for that type of injustice. So yes I believe that Al Gore is a miscreant leading a cult of followers that have absolutely no idea what their cult leader has in store for them.
He has enough money that he doesn't need to be an environmental advocate.
Larsb and most of US here are environmental advocates. Al Gore is far from it. He is a Environmental terrorist. Using fear and LIES to sell his agenda to the unsuspecting. And it is all about making money. Do you think he just bought an $11 million beach mansion to tear down as a symbol of carbon spewing decadence? If he does that and digs a cave into the side of the hill with a view of the ocean, I will recant all the bad I have said about him. I think Tipper tired of the lies and divorced him.
Well yeah, but if you put ice in a full water glass, it'll overflow. The Greenland ice cap lies on dirt. And if the the West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapsed, it would raise sea level by a few meters, and in a relatively short time. (per Wiki).
"China has recently announced plans for a five-year, $17 billion push to become the global leader in electric vehicle technology and has become the world's leading producer of solar and wind-generated power. "
Britain had its coldest start to winter on record today, as the Arctic onslaught claimed at least two lives.
As the mercury plunged lower than -20C (-4F) in some areas, a woman died after falling into a freezing lake in Yorkshire and a motorcyclist was killed on an icy road in West Sussex.
Although the country has been in the grip of the coldest November for 17 years, winter officially started yesterday with an all-time record low for December 1.
Does the UK start winter on December 1st instead of the 21st?
So you think he really believes the bunk he sells?
You sell something for 30 years, like Gore has, it becomes ingrained in you. His somewhat arrogant nature makes him less receptive to alternative view points. He may be wrong on some issues, but he thinks he is right. He has a real passion in protecting the planet. So I really can't fault him, and wouldn't call him a "liar".
Like the 11 known falsehoods in the movie "Inconvenient Truth"?
I thought there were 9 "falsehoods". The school children were those in the UK, and they were sent disclaimers home from the school acknowledging the "Falsehoods", but being allowed to watch "Inconvientent Truth" due to it's overall educational value.
Al Gore is far from it. He is a Environmental terrorist. Using fear and LIES to sell his agenda to the unsuspecting
You have to remember though, that Gore, for the most part, has been a career politician. His father was a state representative and senator. He sees a problem and he attacks it in the way a politician would, not a scientist. Yeah, he'll spin the facts and won't tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but that's what all politicians do to get what they want. The end justifies the means... as long as you don't cross that thin line. That's caused him problems. He more than likely sees it as just "playing the game".
On Gore buying an expensive beach house, that another poster thought we should party at, I agree it doesn't look good. But, it's not a Jim Baker type of hypocrisy. Gore works hard and makes a lot of money, insulates well,uses a couple solar panels, recycles, conserves energy... let him buy whatever he wants.
I've always enjoyed the policy wonk side of Al, but I'd rather have someone living the life preaching at me - Ed Bagley Jr. comes to mind. I can't relate to bi coastal monster mansions too well.
Several Florida school districts made watching the movie a condition of going to the next grade. The UK court declared 9 out right lies in the movie. And had a disclaimer for students that watched it. There are some people that count as many as 35 errors.
THE 35 BLATANT ERRORS OR LIES IN ‘AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH’
1. Sea level “rising 6 m” Even the IPCC’s maximum estimate is a mere 59cm In the year 2100.
2. Pacific islands “drowning” They aren’t. The sea levels around the Maldives haven’t changed for 1250 years. Same goes for Vanuatu.
3. Thermohaline circulation “stopping” In reality, it is strengthening.
4. CO2 “driving temperature” It is a clear and well accepted fact that temperature drives CO2 levels.
5. Snows of Kilimanjaro “melting” Temperature at the summit never rises above freezing. Most of the melt occured before 1936.
6. Lake Chad “drying up” It also dried up in 8500BC, 5500BC, 1000BC and 100BC. Where was our carbon-polluting human industry then?
7. Hurricane Katrina “man made” Maximum hurricane wind speed and number of hurricanes has not increased.
8. Polar bears “dying” Four bears died in a storm. Four. Measly. Bears. Meanwhile, there are 25000 polar bears today compared to 5000 in 1940.
9. Coral reefs “bleaching” It was caused by an unusual El Nino pattern, not global warming.
10. 100 ppmv of CO2 “melting mile-thick ice” Gore overstates the effect of CO2 ten times greater than even the IPCC’s highest estimate.
11. Hurricane Katrina “manmade” Air temperatures in the area were the coldest in 25 years, not warmest.
12. Japanese typhoons “a new record” Tropical cyclone frequency has fallen in the past 50 years.
13. Hurricanes “getting stronger“ They haven’t in 60 years.
14. Big storm insurances losses “increasing” Insured losses in hurricane-prione areas were lower in 2005 than 1905.
15. Mumbai “flooding” There’s been no increase in rainfall over 48 years.
16. Severe tornadoes “more frequent” Severe tornadoes have fallen in frequency for the last 50 years. Tropical storms are also at the lowest frequency in decades.
17. The sun “heats the Arctic ocean” The ocean emits more heat than it receives from the sun.
18. Arctic “warming fastest” It’s actually 1 degree cooler now than in 1940.
19. Greenland ice sheet “unstable” The ice sheet did not break up during the last three times when the temperature was 5 degrees hotter than today.
20. Himalayan glacial melt waters “failing” The snow melt which provides water has not decreased in 40 years.
21. Peruvian glaciers “disappearing” For the past 10,000 years the Peruvian ‘glacier’ region has been mostly ice free.
22. Mountain glaciers worldwide “disappearing” Human CO2 output has had no effect on the already-present glacier shortening trend.
23. Sahara desert “drying” In the past 25 years, the Sahara shrunk by 300,000 square kilometres due to increased rainfall.
24. West Antarctic ice sheet “unstable” Antarctic ice is at its thickest in nearly 28 years.
25. Antarctic Peninsula ice shelves “breaking up” Gore concentrates on the 2% of Antarctica that is experiencing some warming, while conciously neglecting to mention the 98% of Antarctica that is cooling.
26. Larsen B Ice Shelf “broke up because of ‘global warming’” The ice shelfs have been breaking up since 10,000 years ago.
27. Mosquitoes “climbing to higher altitudes” The graph says it all: Wrong.
28. Many tropical diseases “spread through ‘global warming’” None of the diseases quoted are tropical, none are affected by increasing temperature, and some even cause more harm at colder temperatures.
29. West Nile virus in the US “spread through ‘global warming’” West Nile virus flourishes in any climate, from desert to ice.
30. Carbon dioxide is “pollution” Forests are thriving due to the increasing CO2 levels.
31. The European heat wave of 2003 “killed 35,000″ Cold snaps kill people, but the IPCC does not include the number of lives that would be saved due to less cold weather.
32. Pied flycatchers “cannot feed their young” A few tens of kilometres north, and there is no notable difference.
33. Gore’s bogus pictures and film footage Gore plays fast and loose with falsely used images.
34. The Thames Barrier “closing more frequently” It is closed to retain tidal water in the Thames.
35. “No fact in dispute by anybody.” Do I even have to mention these?
It is hard to believe someone that preaches environmentalism that has a carbon footprint the size of Tennessee. Most of the Hollywood eco nuts are far from living a planet saving life. Giving money to eco causes and writing it off on your taxes is hardly a sacrifice.
Jipster, good to have you posting over here and to see what your views are on global warming etc. Those with different opinions are what makes things interesting.
That said, I am mightily surprised to hear anyone defend Al Gore. I think you have the distinction of being about the only one here who does. I don't even think larsb cares for him or his tactics.
Thanks, I try to look at the feelings/motivation behind the behavior, and I just don't see any malicious intent by Gore. He may be wrong on many things, but I think his heart is in the right place. The debate here then is where his head is at. You guys know more about that than I.
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Yes, like a few months ago the article that I posted that in Europe in the Alps the glaciers started retreating right around 1860. And the fact that the Vikings lived in Greenland in places where the glaciers then grew but are now shrinking. What this means is that glaciers grow and shrink despite the fact that man wasn't industrialised until the last centruy. I'm sure I've seen science shows that showed the Earth has at times been totally free of ice, and at times covered with ice right to the Equator. Because ice is growing or shrinking (change) is not surprising, except you think it is.
And droughts are increasing.
And extreme weather events are increasing in number.
Bulloney. You're getting that story from the same alarmists who want everyone to be afraid. Our local TV station has been doing a 2-minute bit each day on weird weather in N.E. and today's was the july4th, 1898 tornado, which New England rarely gets tornados. The worst flood was chronicled as in 1930 being at least 5' higher than ever. The worst snowstorm was about 1940. Many Indian tribes were wiped out 1,000 years ago by a century-long drought in the West. I have seen no data proving we have more extreme weather than 100, 500, or 1,000 years ago. In fact climatologists predictions of a few years ago - of very bad hurricanes increasing, has not happened. The worst hurricane here in New England was back in the 1930's. The hottest weather ever recorded in North America was in Canada about 100 years ago.
You're listening to witch-doctor scientists if you believe those stories. And you're now afraid everytime the volcano rumbles, that you need to pay tribute to the witch-doctor.
Why bury our head in the sand and say, "OH, it's just nature taking it's course, silly willy !!!" ????
Drought news does not come from spin doctors (or web doctors.) Drought data cannot be faked.
Simply because someone tells me that the temperature has gone up a little ove rthe last 100 years, or we have a drought the last 20 years in the West, does not impress me unless someone can show me that this is significantly different than the historical scientific record. The frozen mammoths they find in the ice in Siberia and other arctic areas, is pretty good proof that the Earth all on its own has had sudden, extreme climate changes. The burden of proof is on scientists to show not just that CO2 is increasing, or that temperatures are warming, or that ice is melting, but to show how this stands out as different than the many examples we can show of the Earth's changes in the past. We KNOW of extreme changes in the past, and we can logically expect current and future changes. The Earth has not suddenly become conscious and said "oh Man is here in the 21st century, and I'll stop changing. All climate changes are due to man."
Nature is chaotic. Humanity is along for the ride, at this point. If we're around in a civilized-state in 1,000 years maybe we'll have the power to control nature. All our power plants, automobiles and fuels burnt are insignificant compared to the amount of energy that hits the Earth from the Sun everyday, and the amount of energy from the Sun can vary over the years, as well as the cloud-cover it makes.
What did a few hundred thousand Vikings do around the year 1,000 to make the coastal areas of Greenland inhabitable? What did the Woolie Mammoths do to first melt the ice in the arctic, and then get buried under 100' feet of ice? Were there a lot of Flintstone-mobiles around then?
As Group 4 leader of my local garage, I'm in charge of inputting all data concerning gas pumped in to my minivan and wagon. I never ( :shades: ) make a transcription error when I write the gallons down in my log book and then transfer those data to my spreadsheet. My wife is better with me with numbers so there's only the rare occasion when she forgets to write the fill-up in the book. Even then I can usually find the raw data from pawing through the credit card receipts.
Having older cars, I have few qualms about loaning them out to friends when they come visit. Often these friends return the favor by filling up the tank. Unless I remember to ask, I rarely get fill-up information. And one couple likes to put $10 of gas in the tank at a time.
So I do cherry pick and make up some of the data. But after a decade of collecting data points, the few errors simply don't affect the outcome. I can look at my gas usage and tell you what my mpg has been averaging over the years, and tell you what the trend is. There's even a scientific word for this process - normalization.
So just keep collecting the data - the occasional bad data set isn't likely to affect the overall result.
Shortly before arriving at our destination I noticed that my trip computer was telling me that I had achieved 27 mpg on the current tank. Normally it is about 22 mpg.
Now through the marvel of computer wizardry, my car knows when I fill the tank and resets the mpg figure for the current tank. Apparently, since I did not fill the tank but only put in 3 gal. the figure did not reset and fooled the computer into thinking I was getting 27 mpg.
I am sharing this info with you all so that you too can improve your gas mileage !!
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There's all kinds of things you could do, with you data-set. You could eliminate the data with the snow-tires, as what you want to report is "normal" conditions. And you could build in a little correction-factor, because you let your car idle (warm-up) in the cold weather.
So in the end if your career is to prove the Tornado improves mpg, and you're going to get a lot of $ to prove so, I'm sure you can take all your data, make a sound case of what data you use, and present the result. Meanwhile if you don't allow access to that data, who's going to be able to see exactly how you get your conclusion. So yes I suspect the organizations making the billions of $, will have some bias.
So normalization only works if you don't have bias in the data methodology, and data used.
Remember that even Einstein used a "correction factor" in his Theory of Relativity because he had a bias. That correction-factor was a biased rejection of the mathematical facts, that he held onto for many years until Hubble showed Einstein that the universe was expanding. Einstein had a personal bias of what he wanted the physical reality to be; do I suspect the scientists leading the IPCC don't? + an additional few billion reasons to want MMGW to exist?
Do you completely dismiss with bias the very idea that man might be affecting the climate negatively?
The universe has energetic processes clocking and clocking into prominence to effect everything from babies to heighth growth to excesses of various energetic components that have major effects on our weather.
Hey,hey, hey, hear ye,hear ye. The blue moon process is now effecting us.
When you folks wake up and find out you have been scammed by your fav university,will you seek a remedy of return of your tuition????
If we are making the planet warmer, to any significant degree, the regulations implemented so far are only making it worse. Charging utility customers higher rates so that alternative power sources can be put online is having a negative impact, at least in my area. Three years ago when I moved into this area it was unusual to see smoke rising from any of the chimneys. I just walked down the hill to pick up the mail. All my neighbors have wood fires to warm their homes. I also have a fire in my Obama wood burning stove. Two good reasons. Propane which we all use, has gone way up in price. We are facing the coldest year on record. We barely made it up to 50 degrees today. That is 21 degrees below our normal for this time of year. I see Phoenix is well below normal. The positive is me getting out splitting the logs I hauled out of the woods. Maybe that was what Obama had in mind with the $1500 tax credit I got last year for buying a wood stove insert for my bedroom fireplace. If they had offered it this year I would have put one in the living room fireplace.
Wood is Good, says Obama
From the volume of your posts and all the articles that you link, I think it is safe to say that you read a lot, so you must be exposed to articles that are opposed to your views. But even though you are honest and sincere, you normally only link to articles that support your views, as do the rest of us.
That is the type of thing that kernick is referring to, not out and out dishonesty. We are all biased in some way, and that includes your "scientists". We would all be better off to take a common sense approach and consider both sides of the discussion.
My view is that Man does affect the climate, but in such a small way that it does not warrant the huge amounts of money being spent to "study" the situation by supporting an army of scientists and researchers living high on the backs of tax payers. I would have no problem with studying climate change if the research was privately funded.
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If my results aren't "normal" even after I've normalized, someone over on Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets will call me on it. Either based on reviewing my data or lambasting me for refusing to make the data available. Or by looking at their own data sets.
But yeah, hiding the data wouldn't be kosher.
On a green note, I pushed around 4" of snow today but didn't attempt cranking up the gas powered snowblower. Nor did either car move from the garage. I'm not yet to the point of cranking up the wood stove that's hooked into the forced air system in the basement though.
I understand the math that when someone tells me the amount of energy that strikes the Earth on an average day is equal to all of humankinds energy output for the year that the energy striking the Earth and creating clouds, is much more a factor as a greenhouse gas than the little CO2 that we make.
The other person who has a great math and science background that hasn'
t posted here in a whjile was the host-tidester. He told you also that the scientific community for the most part is biased, going along on a loose theory that's a gravy-train for scientists.
You have refused to listen that scientists who have had much to gain and political backing have been wrong many times during history. The MMGW movement is being led by a charletan whom we all don't like, who has proven time and time again to have acted on issues to promote his own wealth, and poltiical power (he just admitted another example with the corn ethanol).
You need to question why you have such a strong belief in these MMGW advocates when history shows you that climate-change is normal. You need to ask yourself is this really that different then any other time, and when you come back with theanswer no, then you must ask how can the scientists tell the difference. nd if they can't tell the difference but are making $30B on various mitigation and studies around the world, then ask yourself how hard it is for manuy of these extra climatologists to give up their grants, and maybe end up driving a cab.
Yeah, I miss seeing Tides in here too (ClaireS has the knack of pointing out fallacies in here too, in case you haven't noticed). Still, it's fun posting the links, and there's a dozen new ones every day.
The Mason jar reference was to the cold fusion kitchen table experiments from Utah a few years back.
For those who aren't really into the science, you should dig up the draft of the Copenhagen accord that everyone was supposed to sign on to last year and read it. It will provide you with a clear sense of what "climate change" is all about. Here's a clue: it's not about science!
I hope everyone is doing well and that you have a wonderful holiday season!
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We've never had 6.5 billion people using up resources and polluting.
We've never had this level of consumption of earth's resources.
We've never had this many vehicles on the planet.
We've never polluted more bodies of water at these levels.
The Earf has never been as old as it is today.
The Earf is like man - it's timeclock is ticking too. It ticks toward doom as do all of us.
All these things factor in to how much or little or fast the Earf can "rebuild itself" after the impact of all of us.
I don't have a "strong belief in MMGW" per se. No lefty elitists have brainwashed me. The only people to ever brainwash me was the Marine Corps, and that was in a GOOD way.
I DO have a "we can't rule it out" belief, and nothing can change that until at some point, someone ACTUALLY produces unquestionable data that proves it one way or the other.
Would anybody's car be on their list of 5 things they would not want to give up?
1. house I live in
2. car
3. flat screen tv in the family room
4. computer
5. remote control for the tv
funny. so far this list is in decending order of carbon footprint.
That means that I might possibly like things that use energy and cause global warming in order of their blame by most for causing it.
So I should have my second favorite thing taken away? No, I will just get a job where I try to make something this world uses work more efficiently. That will be my pass that allows me to continue to comsume resources. I'll pass on riding the bike until I move to the neighborhood where my job is, the trip is highly safe (like has a 6 airbags level of safety), I remember to increase my AD&D insurance, and the weather is just right.
My trend in vehicles is such that the farther I want to drive it, the more I want it to hold.
I can't right now, with two kids in school and having to tote them around to all their school events.
But in 7 years when the young one leaves the house, I'm likely to give up the car for at least a couple of years.
Maybe get an electric scooter that I can charge with solar panels.
When I need to drive long distances, rent a hybrid/Volt/whatever is in style at the time.
This [non-permissible content removed] has got to be the King of the Liars, even worse than the nutcase Suzuki.
We are still well below normal. It looks like we are headed into the next Ice Age. brrrr
Got that wood stove stoked up and keeping warm.
Perth has had its warmest and sunniest spring on record, topping the season off with a heat wave.
The mean maximum temperature for the season was 25.3 degrees Celsius, well above the average of 23 and the warmest since records began in 1897.
"The record was completely and utterly smashed," Bureau of Meteorology climate information officer John Relf said.
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The previous record was 24 degrees reached in 1969 and 2006.
Perth also experienced its sunniest spring on record with 10.1 hours of sunshine per day, above the average of 9.3 hours.
It also experienced the most number of hot days, defined as 32 degrees or higher, with 12 such days.
The city also had its fourth driest spring on record with only 75.8mm of rain falling on 14 days of the season.
It was the warmest November on record for Perth with a mean maximum temperature of 29.6 degrees, well above the average of 26.2.
My niece is in Perth and says the weather is great. Her husband plays B'Ball in the Australian professional league there.
Heavy snow and subzero temperatures swept across Europe, killing at least eight homeless people in Poland, closing major airports in Britain and Switzerland and causing hundreds of highway accidents.
n Poland, police said eight men died Tuesday night after a bitter cold front roared in, with temperatures falling to around -20 Celsius (-4 Fahrenheit). Police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski said the men, from different parts of the country, had been drinking. The eastern Polish city of Bialystok hit -26 Celsius (-15 Fahrenheit) on Tuesday night.
Winter weather caused some 2,000 accidents on German roads Tuesday, officials said.
Police in northern Austria said a 69-year-old retiree froze to death overnight when he slipped on a snow-covered bridge on his way home from a funeral and lost consciousness.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40447815
I think if you took a poll most people would rather it was getting warmer than colder. Australia had one of the coldest winters on record. So I hope they appreciate me driving my SUV an extra mile to warm them up this Spring.
Heat waves directly related to rise in deaths.
Death comes calling as heat waves strike
It's hard to imagine summertime heat as much of the Northeast braces for a winter storm, but new research quantifies just how much mortality rates spike in the United States during heat waves: 3.75 percent, on average, based on heat waves dating back to 1987 in 43 cities.
The study, published last week by the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, is one of the largest to explore the impacts of prolonged periods of high temperatures. It found that heat wave deaths increased 2.5 percent for each 1ºF increase in heat intensity and 0.4ºF for each additional day a heat wave lasted.
With heat waves expected to increase in duration, intensity and frequency in the future under various climate models, the study could have important ramifications for policy makers, the authors noted.
"Our results indicate that the health impacts of heat waves vary dramatically across communities," said Michelle Bell, an associate professor of environmental health at Yale University and a study co-author. "In order to study how climate change may affect human health, we need to understand these systems in the present day."
The study found longer, more intense heat waves were more common in the South than the North or Midwest, with most heat waves lasting two to three days. Yet mortality impacts were more pronounced in the Northeast and Midwest than compared to the South.
More problematic was trend in timing. In most communities analyzed across the country, the authors found the most intense and lengthy temperature spikes came early in the summer.
That first heat wave of the season generally saw the biggest spike in deaths, according to the research - a 5 percent increase, versus 2.7 percent for heat waves later in the summer.
As someone who has suffered in both extreme heat and extreme cold, I can tell you that's it's easier to get comfortable in a cold house in the winter not using the heater than it is to get comfy in a hot house in the summer not using the A/C.
In the winter, you can bundle up, take a hot bath, etc. In summer, for people in heat waves and no A/C, there is not really any relief.
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You need to talk to some of the people in the Midwest that were without electricity for a week or more last winter. No heat unless they had a wood burning stove.
I'll tell you why. Because people who die from heat at 95F or 100F have some other serious health issue already. The heat is only the "final-straw" to their problem. The other 99.99% of the healthy population has no problem.
Now with the cold you have just the opposite. If you put people in a 0F environment without much shelter, clothing, or heat, for a few days, you'll have 99.99% of them dead or dying. The David Blaine types might survive.
People around the globe live in 110F+ temperatures all the time. People with serious health issues can die when you have 95F heat-waves.
And if you consider most people like the weather between 70-80F, and the average global temperature is still < 60F, the Earth can surely warmup, and we'll trade a little land that's too warm (like vacate Sun Valley), in exchange for all the new liveable land that we'll get in the northern climes.
Burn, baby burn. Burn the coal and oil and warmup the planet. I hate winter, and love the modest summer we get.
Globally warm it up, Chris!
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SOUTHERN ARIZONA - A number of locations feel record low temperatures this morning, says News 4 Meteorologist Chris Nallan.
Tucson, Douglas, Benson, and Safford are just a few that feel the extreme cold this morning. Tucson dropped to 23 breaking the previous record 24 set back in 1934. Douglas shatterd the record of 19 set back in 2004 dropping to 11. Benson also broke a record plunging down to 10 degrees early this morning.
ILUV, you would be cold where ever you are at. Your old stompin ground in Seattle is covered in snow. Now Wilcox is setting low temps. Better be getting ready for the next ice age. We can blame it on the ECO NUTS. I am sure they are the cause.
More like global freezing. I've been so cold in the last several days that my stomach muscles are starting to tense up. And then relax. Time for AG to make a speech and convince us all that he's the man and he's right. He's certainly rich.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40447377/ns/weather/?GT1=39002
8 homeless people died in Poland from this cold "snap".
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Next summer I'm going to the beach as much as I can. I'll go back to many of the same spots that I did as a kid 40 years ago. That kinda tells me that despite the hyperbole, that the oceans really haven't risen. In fact the oceans really haven't risen in hundreds of years of man's increasing effect, unless they keep moving Plymouth Rock each year. It seems it's right on the ocean's edge; right where it was 400 years ago.
So we go back to the same old answer time and after time - there has been no significant change in the climate during man's industrialisation and use of all sorts of machines. Automobiles is approx. 15% of the energy we use, so that is < significant.
I would fear being washed away more by a tsunami than ice at the poles melting. And that is also in question. It looks like Antarctic ice is gaining much faster than Arctic ice is receding. Then it depends on which scientist you believe and who has funded them.
I don't think he's a liar any more than anyone here presenting their argument as fact. It's all in how the information is interpreted. I could be wrong about Big Al, but he seems genuine to me. He has enough money that he doesn't need to be an environmental advocate.
So you think he really believes the bunk he sells? Like the 11 known falsehoods in the movie "Inconvenient Truth"? That in itself would not have put me on a rampage against Al Gore. What did, was ignorant school districts forcing little minds in grade school to watch that crap. I would like to believe that adults when given the facts will make an educated decision on whether to believe or not to believe any theory. When theory is stated as fact and beaten into our school children I feel we should hold those people responsible for that type of injustice. So yes I believe that Al Gore is a miscreant leading a cult of followers that have absolutely no idea what their cult leader has in store for them.
He has enough money that he doesn't need to be an environmental advocate.
Larsb and most of US here are environmental advocates. Al Gore is far from it. He is a Environmental terrorist. Using fear and LIES to sell his agenda to the unsuspecting. And it is all about making money. Do you think he just bought an $11 million beach mansion to tear down as a symbol of carbon spewing decadence? If he does that and digs a cave into the side of the hill with a view of the ocean, I will recant all the bad I have said about him. I think Tipper tired of the lies and divorced him.
Well yeah, but if you put ice in a full water glass, it'll overflow. The Greenland ice cap lies on dirt. And if the the West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapsed, it would raise sea level by a few meters, and in a relatively short time. (per Wiki).
Meanwhile, Energy Secretary Chu Say U.S. Must Not Lose EV Technology Race to China (Green Car Advisor)
"China has recently announced plans for a five-year, $17 billion push to become the global leader in electric vehicle technology and has become the world's leading producer of solar and wind-generated power. "
As the mercury plunged lower than -20C (-4F) in some areas, a woman died after falling into a freezing lake in Yorkshire and a motorcyclist was killed on an icy road in West Sussex.
Although the country has been in the grip of the coldest November for 17 years, winter officially started yesterday with an all-time record low for December 1.
Does the UK start winter on December 1st instead of the 21st?
You sell something for 30 years, like Gore has, it becomes ingrained in you. His somewhat arrogant nature makes him less receptive to alternative view points. He may be wrong on some issues, but he thinks he is right. He has a real passion in protecting the planet. So I really can't fault him, and wouldn't call him a "liar".
Like the 11 known falsehoods in the movie "Inconvenient Truth"?
I thought there were 9 "falsehoods". The school children were those in the UK, and they were sent disclaimers home from the school acknowledging the "Falsehoods", but being allowed to watch "Inconvientent Truth" due to it's overall educational value.
Al Gore is far from it. He is a Environmental terrorist. Using fear and LIES to sell his agenda to the unsuspecting
You have to remember though, that Gore, for the most part, has been a career politician. His father was a state representative and senator. He sees a problem and he attacks it in the way a politician would, not a scientist. Yeah, he'll spin the facts and won't tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but that's what all politicians do to get what they want. The end justifies the means... as long as you don't cross that thin line. That's caused him problems. He more than likely sees it as just "playing the game".
On Gore buying an expensive beach house, that another poster thought we should party at, I agree it doesn't look good. But, it's not a Jim Baker type of hypocrisy. Gore works hard and makes a lot of money, insulates well,uses a couple solar panels, recycles, conserves energy... let him buy whatever he wants.
Several Florida school districts made watching the movie a condition of going to the next grade. The UK court declared 9 out right lies in the movie. And had a disclaimer for students that watched it. There are some people that count as many as 35 errors.
THE 35 BLATANT ERRORS OR LIES IN ‘AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH’
1. Sea level “rising 6 m”
Even the IPCC’s maximum estimate is a mere 59cm In the year 2100.
2. Pacific islands “drowning”
They aren’t. The sea levels around the Maldives haven’t changed for 1250 years. Same goes for Vanuatu.
3. Thermohaline circulation “stopping”
In reality, it is strengthening.
4. CO2 “driving temperature”
It is a clear and well accepted fact that temperature drives CO2 levels.
5. Snows of Kilimanjaro “melting”
Temperature at the summit never rises above freezing. Most of the melt occured before 1936.
6. Lake Chad “drying up”
It also dried up in 8500BC, 5500BC, 1000BC and 100BC. Where was our carbon-polluting human industry then?
7. Hurricane Katrina “man made”
Maximum hurricane wind speed and number of hurricanes has not increased.
8. Polar bears “dying”
Four bears died in a storm. Four. Measly. Bears. Meanwhile, there are 25000 polar bears today compared to 5000 in 1940.
9. Coral reefs “bleaching”
It was caused by an unusual El Nino pattern, not global warming.
10. 100 ppmv of CO2 “melting mile-thick ice”
Gore overstates the effect of CO2 ten times greater than even the IPCC’s highest estimate.
11. Hurricane Katrina “manmade”
Air temperatures in the area were the coldest in 25 years, not warmest.
12. Japanese typhoons “a new record”
Tropical cyclone frequency has fallen in the past 50 years.
13. Hurricanes “getting stronger“
They haven’t in 60 years.
14. Big storm insurances losses “increasing”
Insured losses in hurricane-prione areas were lower in 2005 than 1905.
15. Mumbai “flooding”
There’s been no increase in rainfall over 48 years.
16. Severe tornadoes “more frequent”
Severe tornadoes have fallen in frequency for the last 50 years. Tropical storms are also at the lowest frequency in decades.
17. The sun “heats the Arctic ocean”
The ocean emits more heat than it receives from the sun.
18. Arctic “warming fastest”
It’s actually 1 degree cooler now than in 1940.
19. Greenland ice sheet “unstable”
The ice sheet did not break up during the last three times when the temperature was 5 degrees hotter than today.
20. Himalayan glacial melt waters “failing”
The snow melt which provides water has not decreased in 40 years.
21. Peruvian glaciers “disappearing”
For the past 10,000 years the Peruvian ‘glacier’ region has been mostly ice free.
22. Mountain glaciers worldwide “disappearing”
Human CO2 output has had no effect on the already-present glacier shortening trend.
23. Sahara desert “drying”
In the past 25 years, the Sahara shrunk by 300,000 square kilometres due to increased rainfall.
24. West Antarctic ice sheet “unstable”
Antarctic ice is at its thickest in nearly 28 years.
25. Antarctic Peninsula ice shelves “breaking up”
Gore concentrates on the 2% of Antarctica that is experiencing some warming, while conciously neglecting to mention the 98% of Antarctica that is cooling.
26. Larsen B Ice Shelf “broke up because of ‘global warming’”
The ice shelfs have been breaking up since 10,000 years ago.
27. Mosquitoes “climbing to higher altitudes”
The graph says it all: Wrong.
28. Many tropical diseases “spread through ‘global warming’”
None of the diseases quoted are tropical, none are affected by increasing temperature, and some even cause more harm at colder temperatures.
29. West Nile virus in the US “spread through ‘global warming’”
West Nile virus flourishes in any climate, from desert to ice.
30. Carbon dioxide is “pollution”
Forests are thriving due to the increasing CO2 levels.
31. The European heat wave of 2003 “killed 35,000″
Cold snaps kill people, but the IPCC does not include the number of lives that would be saved due to less cold weather.
32. Pied flycatchers “cannot feed their young”
A few tens of kilometres north, and there is no notable difference.
33. Gore’s bogus pictures and film footage
Gore plays fast and loose with falsely used images.
34. The Thames Barrier “closing more frequently”
It is closed to retain tidal water in the Thames.
35. “No fact in dispute by anybody.”
Do I even have to mention these?
That said, I am mightily surprised to hear anyone defend Al Gore. I think you have the distinction of being about the only one here who does. I don't even think larsb cares for him or his tactics.
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