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I guess my point is this is basically what would have to happen to go back to old levels of GHG. Are we willing to do without electricity? If the internal combustion engine was outlawed as Al Gore proposed in his "Earth in the Balance" book, would we be willing to ride a bike or walk? The least of the issue is the increases the fat cats are planning for our utilities. It seems the figure most tossed around is 25% for electric. Well I can tell you that will raise your water and sewer bills also. CA has mandated a big chunk of electric production be provided by renewable sources. Yet the same government blocks the utilities from doing just that. We are in a crisis in this country and the World. And the GW Alarmist are a big part of the problem.
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I love roses. Just planted two more bare root Jackson & Perkins hybrids this week. Can't have too many roses.
Fossil fuel will not run dangerously low for at least 400 more years. We have enough coal to provide power and fuel for 100s of years. Wind and solar will be a small portion for at least the next 100 years. I don't think any of the power companies in CA will meet the renewable mandate by 2012.
but here are some snippets from an interesting article that puts a few things in perspective.
..."This thing weighs more than a bison and is longer than a city bus, ...
A snake's size is related to how warm its environment is. The fossils suggest equatorial temperatures in its day were significantly warmer than they are now, during a time when the world as a whole was warmer. So equatorial temperatures apparently rose along with the global levels, in contrast to the competing hypothesis that they would not go up much, Head noted."...
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Michael Reilly, :
Discovery News Video Feb. 4, 2009 -- An ancient killer is hiding in the remote forests of Siberia...
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Or perhaps it points to a time when reptiles and humans lived longer due to a pre-flood atmosphere that was much different than it is today. Do reptiles continue to grow until they die, unlike humans? If so it can be the resule of simply living longer, much longer.
But just think of all the jobs this plan would create for manure shovelers. I'm thinking laid-off UAW workers and politicians would be the best for the jobs. The former, because they are desperate, the latter because they are experts at shoveling manure.
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I found this site that gives a breakdown of our power generation sources. It gives the pros and cons of each source. We are now getting 57% of our power from Coal. The only renewable that will challenge coal on a price basis is Wind generation. At least for now. Natural gas has some interesting downsides including high NoX.
The nation's fleet of over 100 coal plants is responsible for 57 percent of the electricity generated in the U.S., more than any other single electricity fuel source.
http://www.powerscorecard.org/tech_detail.cfm?resource_id=2
Natural gas is methane - CH4. When you burn it in the presence of air (O2 and N2), you get a mix of NOX, H2O, and where does the carbon go - our little friend CO2.
I'm not sure if everyone here realizes that the use of natural gas or ethanol/propane/butane ... and hydrocarbon form CO2?
Unless you use wind, solar, geothermal, or nuclear to generate electricity, your power-plant combustion results in CO2. That clean EV, is most likely just using energy from coal or natural gas.
He also compared older folks' skepticism of Al's CC scam to attitudes displayed by racists during the civil rights movement.
This sounds like something right out of Communist Indoctrination 101 or perhaps the Hitler Youth.
Perhaps one day your children will be informing the state that you left the bathroom light on too long and Al's Green Shirts will come in the night to take you away.
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So for example, most folks do not conceive of it this way, but back in the Civil Rights ERA, (before actually) the KKK or KU KLUX KLAN was the "terrorist" arm of the democratic party. It is not unlike Hamas, etc etc.... for example. You know go out and scare the C out of the targeted groups in the white robes and all, in support of established policy/s. Gotta love gun control, as it would be hard to come to work the next day all full of buck shot or #7 load pellets !
As an allegory, it is not unlike the film "The Godfather" and its sequels. The upshot is the classic line delivered by Al Pacino as the "MOB" is now legit, and he says words to effect "I try to get out but they keep pulling me back in."
So in effect the whole Global Warming gig is just a kinder and gentler way to try to scare the C... out of us all.
Are U all BUYING?
"Long-term sea level increases that could have a devastating effect on southern Florida and highly populated coastal areas may be even larger than once thought, a report suggests." The Guardian
"In a move aimed at limiting harm to Arctic waters opened by global warming, a federal advisory board voted Thursday to ban commercial fishing north of the Bering Strait off Alaska's coast." KATU
Glaciers in China are Melting at a 'Worrisome Speed':scientists (MedIndia.com)
"While the harsh winter pounding many areas of North America and Europe seemingly contradicts the fact that global warming continues unabated, a new survey finds consensus among scientists about the reality of climate change and its likely cause.
A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures." Survey: Scientists agree human-induced global warming is real (Eureka.org)
So what I am saying is the environmentalists do not even believe their OWN press !!!
You know I can post 5 links a day just like that last blast, all based on surveys or studies. The drumbeat keeps rolling on. With all the research money getting thrown at the issue, you'd think that a few of these studies would go against the grain - not every scientist has sold their soul in the name of getting a grant next year.
Show me the links. :shades:
That's another fallacy - environmentalists fight like cats and dogs over policy and direction as much as any other group.
But really it is nothing different than: do as I say, not as I do.
Another is IF C02 emissions ARE the evils incarnate, why is there no siren call (you know like a President Kennedy mandate to go to the moon in less than xxx years (whatever time frame he said)) to a host of C02 EATING applications!!!! Bio diesel from algae?? Watching paint dry gets more attention and probably more scientific application !!??
It all makes for interesting reading, at least the studies kicking around causes and solutions do.
And there is the Audubon Society trying to block wind generation to protect the Raptors. In the same issue they lament MM CC. I just posted how Coal is gaining in the percentage of our electricity. Most everyone believes, myself included, that is probably one of the largest producers of GHG in the World today. The same article claims that Wind Generation has the best chance of being cost effective for the future. Yet in all of So CA the Indian reservations are the only places we could place Wind generators. That is because they are not subject to the Whacked out environmentalist that have a strangle hold on this state. One agency mandates renewable energy and another blocks it. Both charging big dollars for non compliance.
The last issue of our local paper has a big article about a company that would like to place test towers in possible locations to find if it is feasible for wind generation. The county has the authority to give a limited use permit that costs a couple hundred dollars and takes no time. Instead the board is pushing for a full blown permit with all associated studies that take a minimum of one year and a cost of $100,000. The company is about to bail out of here. Can you blame them?
You should invest in indium if you think solar panels are going to fix a significant portion of the power issue. Or find an alternative for that element.
Why sustainable power is unsustainable (New Scientist)
Oregon Governor Looking to Ban Aftermarket Parts
I can tell you right off that a cleaner alternative to new tires is walking or riding a bike. So that should eliminate any repairs on cars. I know when my step dad was alive living in Medford he lamented the Californians that came up to Oregon and corrupted it like CA.
A BIT of planning and zoning is not the problem. The problem comes when you combine anti-anything zealots and petty dictator bureaucrats and bring all progress to a crawl or a dead stop. Then it is the taxpayer who pays the extra cost developers just pass on to the final user.
I think I have mentioned my battle to try to put a card table in front of my farm to sell a few tomatoes to the neighbors. Even though my activity was specifically allowed by the zoning laws, it took 6 months and $2000 to get approval. That is not reasonable planning, that is abusive government.
When some clown with a picket sign or some filthy rat can cost people their livelyhoods I say government has gotten out of hand. When you have two government agencies issuing contrdictory rules and then fining people because they can't do the impossible it rises to the level of insanity.
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By Rob on March 15, 2008 at 05:42 pm
Not content to merely pollute the halls of Congress with eau de Cutty Sark, Ted Kennedy has taken to polluting Nantucket Sound as well.
Ted Kennedy has called Nantucket Sound near his Massachusetts estate “a national treasure” — but that didn’t stop the senator from having oil dumped from his yacht into its waters.
A local photographer spotted an oil slick coming from Kennedy’s yacht Mya as Kennedy and his guests left the vessel in a launch following a race that ended in Hyannis, the Cape Cod Today newspaper reported.
The lensman was so shocked that he rowed his dinghy out to question the crew member left aboard the yacht.
He asked the crewman, “What the hell are you doing?”
The crewman said that diesel fuel had gotten into the bilge and he was told to dump it.
When the photographer pointed out that the yacht was moored in coastal waters near shellfish beds and people swimming, the crewman replied, “Whatever.”
I’m sure the environmentalists will give Teddy the same pass on this that they’re giving him on his opposition to coastal windmills that, while producing clean energy, might block his ocean view.
But hey, at least nobody drowned this time.
And this is one of the guys that would like to charge me for putting a little CO2 in the air from my SUV.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Kennedy_polluter/2008/03/14/80443.html
The whole story smells worse than your old TDI did.
By local governments own assertions it is the 5% of GASSER cars who make that kind of mess !! :P
Here's the source story.
In the world of autos and global warming, Bob "Global Warming is a Crock" Lutz is retiring.
Bob Lutz is tired of the senseless regulations and mandates by a totally inept Government. Global Warming being the straw that breaks the camels back. He probably did not want the Feds deciding how much he would get paid either.
At least he got the global warming part right !!
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I have a question too. Since you just joined Edmunds today and have posted the same question on multiple boards, why haven't the hosts figured you out as a promoter of that bogus gas saving gizmo? :mad:
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Meanwhile, "two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." It Doesn't Take An Einstein.
While we want to think of ourselves as god-like to satan-like in our human powers.... nothing could be farther from the truth.
The $838 billion economic stimulus bill that passed the Senate yesterday contains $300 million for the government to purchase a fleet of "green" cars.
But the money won't just go to buy fuel-efficient hybrids such as the Ford Escape or Chevy Volt.
The cash also can be used to purchase "neighborhood electric vehicles."
The NEVs, which resemble streamlined golf carts, scoot at up to 25 mph, operate on battery power and can be plugged into 110-volt outlets for charging.
They are sometimes used at hospitals, college campuses and retirement communities, and can cost around $8,000 each. They don't produce carbon emissions.
The House-passed version of the stimulus provides even more money for federal car purchases - $600 million. The pot of money also specifically includes the NEVs.
That is about 75,000 golf carts. I think it is designed to give jobs to out of work UAW people. Where are most of the Golf Carts built?
Audubon Society study bird migration shift to climate change
There was a time when the American goldfinch, a gregarious nesting bird, could be found in backyard feeders throughout Houston. But now, as climate change seems to be leaving its first footprints here, the bird is slowly moving its territory to the north.
The goldfinch’s subtle shift is hardly unique. Of 305 species tracked by the Audubon Society, more than half are spending the winter about 35 miles farther north than they did 40 years ago, according to a study to be released today.
The changes in migration coincide with variations in temperature over time, suggesting that many birds are responding to climate change by moving into new ranges, the researchers said. The average January temperature, for example, climbed by about 5 degrees Fahrenheit in the United States over the four decades covered in the study.
Plants and animals have always had to adjust to shifting climates, and birds have moved for a variety of reasons, ranging from urban sprawl to deforestation. But the Audubon study covers a variety of species throughout North America, prompting researchers to suspect that larger forces are at work in their changing migration habits.
“This is as close as science at this scale gets to proof,” said Greg Butcher, the lead scientist on the study and the director of bird conservation at the Audubon Society. “It is not what each of these individual birds did. It is the wide diversity of birds that suggests it has something to do with temperature, rather than ecology.”
Terry Root, a Stanford University biologist who worked on the study, said the researchers “don’t know for a fact that it is warming. But when one keeps finding the same thing over and over we know it is not just a figment of our imagination.”
The research is based on data collected during the Audubon Society’s annual bird count in early winter, when temperature is the primary driver for birds’ migration and survival.
That AlGore, he's a sneaky baasterd..........must have shown his movie at a bird sanctuary...........
Anyway, a sheriff's deputy was cruising around the parking lot this afternoon in a silent rig - sort of a cross between a golf cart and one of those bigger ATV things for ranch work. It would be perfect for running around town, although this one was open on the sides to the elements. It probably costs as much as a Hyundai Rio or Nissan Versa too.