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Toyota alone has 115 arces of cars waiting at the Port of LA for dealers to need them. If year over year growth in anything and everything does not occur, then the stock will go down and we risk a recession. So the choice is prosperity with peril to the Earth, or recession, with extreme hardship and unhappiness throughout the land.
We are not and have not been talking about GREYHOUND or TOUR BUS travel.
We have been talking about local city bus travel.
A lifetime odds of a person dying in a bus accident is 1 in 94,242; as a pedestrian 1 in 631, as a car occupant 1 in 247.
You are so good with odds. What are the odds that you will be drowned by the ocean rising, caused by man made GW? My guess about 100 trillion to one.
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My only point was to magnify the fact that people should not fear taking mass transit because of some irrational "fear for their safety."
You are much more likely to get killed or injured in your own car than on a city bus or train or subway or tram or L train, etc.
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No trains are running to London and very few are traveling east or West out of Brighton. The buses appear to have stopped
Six million bus passengers were left in the lurch as all London's bus services were halted because of dangerous driving conditions, and every Tube line except the Victoria line was at least partially suspended.
I think Brown will have a tough time selling his GW carbon credit scam to the Brits.
Most of San Diego bus and all the Trolley travel is on the level pretty much. The city bus service to my little village of Alpine and points beyond are serviced on Interstate 8. The buses travel down 7% grades at 70+ MPH. No seat belts are provided. Very similar circumstances to the recent bus crash that killed 7 tourists. I will leave the bus riding to Larsb.
http://www.fee.org/pdf/the-freeman/0506Semmens.pdf To summerize yes buses are safer than cars for urban travel, but no where near the ratio that you provided. City buses have a fatality rate of 6 per billion passenger miles, urban travel by cars has a fatality rate of 10 per billion passenger miles, also Light rail has a fatality rate of 14 per billion, and commuter rail 12 per billion. The interesting this is per billion vehicle miles travelled, buses have a rate of 55 and urban cars 11. So though you will be a bit safer if you travel by bus, you won't by other public transportation, and if you only include fatalities by number of miles travelled per vehicle you are much safer in cars than anything else. (strange but true). So sorry your odds are completely wrong, though your point about bus travel being safer is sort of true, and you are completely wrong on your assertion that commuter,/light rail/rail travel are safer than urban travel by car.
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But I won't, because my point is true. City bus = safer than private car. At least in the USA. Can't speak for other countries.
And the odds of some smelly guy rubbing up against you and telling you that you are "cute" are pretty low too.
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And that is because the bus is bigger, so therefore private drivers should buy the biggest vehicle they can afford?
My point, the only point I wanted to make, is that it is foolish to dismiss mass transit merely because you think it's "less safe" than private car travel.
Did I mention it should get to 80 degrees today. I think it is spring time. Only two days of light frost this winter. If this is Global Warming I LIKE IT a LOT....
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"It has been shown that road casualties are dependent on public transport fares; lower fares lead to increased transport use and decreased casualty rates." link
Steve come on now, you must realize that is based on the fact that most people ride the bus once or twice a year on average, and make 1,000 trips in an auto for more mileage? Those statistics need to be based on a per mile travelled basis.
Or do you believe the safest vehicle possible is a 3-wheel trike (a converted motorcycle?).
This was in an attempt to refute people who say "I don't ride a city bus 'cause it's too dangerous." There are people on this forum who have posted that statement or something similar, so this thread started because of that. I threw in some odds to hammer home the point. Steve's recent post has some good statistics again confirming my contention.
My contention is that you should not avoid riding city buses for that reason, or for a few others I have mentioned, because mass transit is good for the environment and pollutes less that private cars, in per-person pollution (usually).
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And that is EXACTLY what the UN IPCC compilers have done. They cherry picked their favorite statistics and put them in a fancy book to impress the media. Then had a fun vacation in Bali resort to present their findings. Those scientists that felt their data was distorted soon found they were left out of the GROUP. No funding for you guys that disagree with the UN. I wonder if the scientists that submit data the UN likes get big fat bonus checks. Or just huge wads of cash in an unmarked envelope.
But I do think that big old bus's size makes it safe, even though it has no seatbelts or airbags for each passenger. The bigger it is, the safer it is!
Only when physics is the primary overriding safety factor. And that's a VERY small percentage of crashes.
The tiny SMART Car is pretty safe, but in a very, super-unlikely head-on with an Excursion? The SMART is TOAST.
Lucky for SMART car owners, the chances of head-onning into an Excursion are even smaller than the chances of getting killed on a City bus.
Hey, gagrice, what are the chances of that Costco hot dog you enjoyed clogging up your arteries as compared to a new world order McDonald's Big Mac? Similar with both foods, let's say one hot dog consumed per week as opposed to one Big Mac, hold the french fries? Anyone in here like to study foods and their potential damage to our bodies?
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It is much more important how much you eat rather than what you eat, within reason of course. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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A bus trip would be more likely to me if I lived in a place like NYC, St.Louis, Seattle, etc., and lived downtown. Bus travel just doesn't work when you have to go longer distances between work and home.
I live about a 1/3rd of a mile from my work, so, should probably walk, eh? But I don't! :P I know, that's just plain wrong.
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Just for you:
"Among all passenger transportation modes, the motorcoach fatality rate is lowest - 0.4 fatality per 100 million vehicle miles. For cars, the rate is 3.5 times higher. For air, the rate is six times higher, and for passenger trains, the rate is 35 times higher."
And if you can't believe Peter Pan, who can you believe?
Pogo sticks (and don't forget stilts - they're fun too) are ok, but I'm sticking to street cars. No fatalities period, per one of my links.
..."Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters announced the number of people killed in traffic crashes is expected to reach a record low in 2008, with early projections showing an almost 10-percent drop in traffic deaths in the first 10 months. “Our focus on safety – from our highways, railways, seaways and airways – has led to one of the safest periods in our nation’s transportation history,” Peters said Dec. 11 in Kansas City. Estimates show 31,110 people died on U.S. roads from Jan.-Oct., compared with 34,502 in 2007 during that same period. In addition, the fatality rate per 100 million vehicles miles traveled for the first nine months of 2008 is 1.28, compared with 1.37 for 2007."...
Upshot: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less than 2.2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>%.
Conversely the short and longer term results of what we injest...... priceless :sick: :lemon: surpasses 2.2%%.....
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Not to mention no chance a derelict will steal your big screen TV that you lugged on to the bus.
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If I enjoyed my car as much as you AND lived in a nice climate like you do, I would never walk anywhere. Not even to the bathroom!
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We are probably causing much of the global warming with running our propane oven.
I will take my Sequoia and some Wagner (Vaugner to the unwashed). As depressing as his music is, there is no comparison to riding a city bus.
How much more does an empty bus contribute to GW than a car with one person?
And just to clarify I never disagreed about there being fewer deaths on buses, I just thought the odds thing was a bit biased due to the lack of an equalizer, though this is for vehicle miles and not passenger miles I do believe it presents a better (more realistic) picture than the odds that didn't take mileage into account.
That said, (and back on Topic) I will agree that in larger cities and places where public transportation is as efficient as possible (and you can use it to get to work and back) that it does make environmental sense to use that transportation to commute (also in larger cities you tend to have stores to buy your groceries etc much closer to home (though you may pay a bit more) and not have to buy in quantity so not need a car for that either. If I lived in a large city (such as Toronto of New York) I know I would use public transportation at least 90% of the time, when I do ge into Toronto I find a place to park and either walk or take transit during my visit. Also I am not sure that if I lived there I would even own a car (despite being an enthusiast) due to the expense of owning a car in the city and the effectiveness of public transportation there, and due to how conveniently close places I would want to go are. I would probably rent a car when I needed it (probably belong to the ZIP car service (I think that is what its called) ). In my current location I could do without driving much if I didn't work in another city about 30 miles away, there is no public transportation link between the cities (at least not yet, there are talks about it happening sometime in the future) so I have to drive (and there are no jobs in my field locally, but the city I live in is much nicer than the city I work in and the property prices lower, so it is a price I willingly pay at this time). Now I do want to keep my impact as low as possible so I am waiting for the electric or range extending hybrids or some other technology to come along and be tested in our climate (for range in the winter etc for an electric for example) before I buy my next car, I am hoping that my current car will be my last gasoline powered car (yes that means I will consider diesel as well, but only if the is a source of bio diesel available locally at that time).
Sorry a bit of a long message there. All in all, although I may not believe that we are responsible for the majority of global warming (or global climate change) I do believe that we have a responsibility to try to reduce pollution and other effects on our environment and am all for anything that will do so. That said if this is the true intention of the GW proponents they are in my opinion going about it the wrong way, but that is of course my opinion. I read one study that said even if we reduced our carbon output to zero today the effects wouldn't be felt till the year 3000, this even if it is true doesn't really make me want to rush out and do something about it, because it makes it sound like any efforts would be futile, they need to come out with something that lets people know their efforts will make a difference in the near term for them to actually want to change their ways at all. I will continue to do my best to have as little impact on the planet as possible (though it may not be as little as some, it is way less than most) and as new technologies that are less polluting come along and I can afford them I will implement them into my lifestyle.
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Even if we go all out and make "biosphere's" of our homes, grow our own veggie's, plant more cactii(in my SW USA situation, anyway)and trees, drive no more ICE cars, the Chinese are continuing to build more coal-fired electric plants than you can shake a stick at. And they're moving towards more modernization and vehicle production, 2nd largest car market in the world, behind the U.S.
Our contribution to global warming through the usage of our cars is still an issue, though muted by the sheer numbers, when you consider all the other nation's input. Still, I want to produce no more emissions with my automobile in my next rig, hence, I want a 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B-Zero all-electric vehicle. By the time I pull the trigger that may need to be a 2013 Pininfarina-Bollore B-Zero, however. Still the intent, though.
Zero emissions, yep.
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In a sample study in the Uttarakhand's Garhwal region, the experts found that the emissions worth 14.5 lakh kilograms of carbon dioxide (CO2) every year could be reduced by utilising the services of animals for transportation in the entire division.
"We found that by using pack animals --mules and horses for transportation, the carbon emission could be reduced in a large amount," Nehal A Farooquee, a member of the research team said.
Carbon emission is the major reason for global warming. The leaders from the G-8 (developed countries) countries recently in a summit in Japan pledged to halve carbon emissions by 2050.
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We really need to get Moonbeam and CARB up to speed on this. Best way to cut GHG and GW. No need to work on the infrastructure. Let the Interstates go back to dirt. Easier on the horses. Bridge collapses, no problem just let your horse carry you across the river. What is Al Gore's number, I need to get him going on this???
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sh1tmanure. Not only did it make walking very unpleasant, it was a major health risk. Might be good for growing roses but just how roses does the world need ?Back to the drawing board, methinks.