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I think most of the GW work to be done will of course be directed at industry, and at mega-cities like London, Tokyo, New York, Mexico City, etc. I think people in North Dakota or the Serengeti are pretty much off the hook here--unless of course they're burning their forests down for some reason.
The politicians in America especially gave up their power and their right to regulate when they gave over the economy to free market theories/game theory and all that craziness. They in their wisdom accomplished two bad things at once------and now we have a situation in the global economy wherein the people cannot be served by either the free market or by democratic action and regulation.
So GW might be just the wake-up call that the free world needs.
The latest data from Nasa shows a ten year trend of the earth cooling.
Last year was the largest decrease in temperature in the last 100 years of recorded data.
As you all know there are thousands of scientists that do not subscribe to the premise that the earth is cooling, man made or not.
We seem to experience an ice age every ten thousand years and it has been approximately that much time since the last ice age.
Is it possible to some of you logical thinkers out there that the premise of global warming has a deeper agenda? Such as more control of the fruits of you labor and property?
We will possess the technology to teraform other planets and to create any type of atmosphere that we want on this planet in the future.
Is anyone concerned with creeping global collectivism?
Here's a quick list of "who's on board" with global warming-- in other words, that it is happening and it is being driven by man-made activity:
I'm not posting this to beat anyone over the head, only to suggest that the time for world governments to act is NOW.
We can't ask automakers to carry this burden alone, that's for sure. This belongs to everyone, everywhere:
I'm gonna bow out of here with this list, which hopefully will at least settle the issue that there is, in fact, no credible refutation of the theory of man-made Global Warming as yet on the boards. Thanks for reading!
List of Global Warming Endorsers:
* Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
* Royal Society of Canada
* Chinese Academy of Sciences
* Academié des Sciences (France)
* Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
* Indian National Science Academy
* Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
* Science Council of Japan
* Russian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Society (United Kingdom)
* National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
* Australian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
* Caribbean Academy of Sciences
* Indonesian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Irish Academy
* Academy of Sciences Malaysia
* Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
* Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
* NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
* National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
* National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
* State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
* Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
* Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
* American Geophysical Union (AGU)
* American Institute of Physics (AIP)
* National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
* American Meteorological Society (AMS)
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
And if the bucket is as big as a swimming pool how many pebbles would it take? Compared to natural processes man is throwing pebbles and nature is throwing boulders.
I know it's hard to accept, but we aren't that important.
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Yes, but I would call it galloping socialism. Hopefully the socialists (democrats/liberals) have bitten off more than they can chew with ramming this latest legislation down our throats.
My hope is that in the mid term elections we will rise up and smite them down.
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According to Ted Turner (Mr. Jane Fonda) there will only be scattered bands of cannibals left if that happens. I guess the losers will be the one who get eaten.
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oldfarmer, I only needed to read the first part of your post, the part regarding Mr.Jane Fonda, to start LOL! The scattered bands of cannibals already exists with the IAM, SPEEA and the UAW's. :sick:
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I would hope not. Even the very flawed IPCC report from the political UN only attributes 15% to transportation. The bulk goes to coal produced energy. I am not sure if China is still building one new coal fired generator per week. That was the rate a couple years ago. As was mentioned, what is our responsibility for selling them the coal? Are we not like drug dealers IF coal is a problem?
No, and no.... The point I was making was, people are going to whine and complain until they get money. Almost half a billion dollars has been spent raising roads, building dikes and moving some people in Devils Lake. The money keeps flowing. The old water pipe going to the water treatment plant is under the lake. If it breaks there is really no way to fix it. A new water pipe is or will be finished soon. More money $$$$$$$$$$$$$
People around the world continue to build on the coast. As sea level rises they will slowly go under water. But if the scientists are right, and that sea level will take decades to rise a few feet, all those people on the coast will try to stay. They will want governments to spend billions in a fool hardy attempt to hold back the sea.
One last comment on the Devils Lake flooding. A few decades ago, a ND representative started talking about how dry Devils Lake was and that we should start thinking about how to raise the lake level. He got his wish and then some. It would have been rather ironic if ND had spent millions of dollars to pump water into the lake only to spend millions dealing with the flooding a decade or two later.
That is why I am not very optimistic that the world will be able to handle climate change or sea level rise. :sick:
Not when you consider that there are 6,500,000,000 people throwing pebbles.
Look at the following link. It is pretty clear that man has made an impact.
http://lcluc.umd.edu/images/Science_Themes/Foley1-large.jpg
"I know it's hard to accept, but we aren't that important."
No, humans do make an impact. Take a look at some of the photos from space of the earth.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/image/earth_night.jpg
http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/wp-content/2007/11/flares.jpg
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/earthandsun/brown_cloud.html
It is very clear we do impact the environment on a local, regional and global level. Does it matter? It would depend on your perspective.
I am all for putting out less pollution. I was one of the victims of leaded gas pollution in Los Angeles in the 1950s. We moved to San Diego and areas there also had horrible smog. To this day I cannot go into a shop that is heated with a gas Herman Nelson without getting shortness of breath. I just find it laughable that anyone thinks they are going to slow down the growth of mankind, when we have doctors in LA popping out 8 babies at a time for welfare moms.
Oh, my friend, THEY have a plan for that too. One solution is that the next time you get out of breath and go for medical care they will tell you "sorry, you're too old for us to spend money on. Suck it up, go home and croak. We're saving medical care for the young and politically correct."
Fortunately, it won't effect me since I am planning to live forever (so far, so good).
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GM actually makes the planes and used to make the engines until 1996.
So there are somewhere near 15,000 very rich folk screaming around in jets with 15,000 lbs of thrust. God forbid that a company with 260 billion in sales dare have their CEO use one (GM). And keep adding 1400 more of these into usage each year. Thousands of jobs depend on the biz jet industry. Now make me feel guilty for using a small V8 that gets 19 mpg hwy pulling 6000 lbs along.
Gasoline is about 10% of all fossil fuel burning.
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All hat, no cattle.
As in a lot of talk but not much backing it up. It came in common usage around here during the last administration.
Chris Field is speaking Chicago this weekend - "Despite widespread concern over global warming, humans are adding carbon to the atmosphere even faster than in the 1990s, researchers warned Saturday.
Carbon emissions have been growing at 3.5 percent per year since 2000, up sharply from the 0.9 percent per year in the 1990s.
"It is now outside the entire envelope of possibilities" considered in the 2007 report of the International Panel on Climate Change."
Climate warming gases rising faster than expected (AP)
The BBC version - Global warming 'underestimated'
What I find interesting is these so called scientist that are all in consensus that man is the major factor in GW, do not broach the subject of sunspots. Or the most recent studies that show the ocean temps as lower over the last 10 years of study. Once someone has jumped on a bandwagon. And that is all the GW consensus is! It is difficult to admit you were wrong. I think the same goes for posters on forums. They get an idea and will not let it go. I am as guilty as the next guy.
You? Nahhhh. :shades:
Scientists tend to get narrowly focused in one aspect of their field. I think that's a reason why Al Gore's slide show was such a hit. He was able to distill a bunch of factoids from various disciplines down to simple bits and combine them into a compelling story.
The Ancient Mayan Civilization (now extinct) and Notradumus (been dead for a while) agree... 2012 !!!! Or BUST !!
There no business like....
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You may be stranded out in the cold
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I can show you scientific studies that show the earth is flat, that bumblebees can't fly, and that I am my own grandpa.
Words can be twisted so that the less intelligent among us will believe and fall for anything. Just note the recent election.
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There's pollution abundant, but, CO2 pollution coming from man, yes, and more of it all the time. More users of automobiles hasn't helped.
But are our glaciers melting unprecedently? Out of control? Running out of ice on the tops of mountains? Coldness seems to still be abundant, even in SE Arizona.
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George Will flopped up a good quote today:
"Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know." (Apocalypse Now? Highly Unlikely - realclearpolitics.com)
Good quote and good article. Good to see we have won you over !
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Saves you money? We all like to save money and resources but you have to be careful. Saving money in the short term can sometimes be very expensive. Like the guy who bent over to pick up a penny and stuck his butt through a plate glass window.
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I'm with you on all the above. I just cannot get behind all the empty stinking buses I see around here. The bus hits Alpine 4 times a day. I have never seen anyone get on and rarely see more than 3 people on the bus. Last I read the San Diego Transit runs over $150 million deficit each year. Running buses and trolleys in heavily traveled corridors is fine. 1000s of buses running around empty is a HUGE waste of money and fossil fuel. Not to mention buses are the major cause of GW :shades:
Didn't you hear? That's just weather, it doesn't count. Don't believe your eyes (or your shivering). Climate Change is invisible, kind of like the monster that was in your closet when you were little---you knew it was real even though all the grown-ups told you it wasn't.
Besides, you shouldn't be worrying about CC. I hear your neck of the woods is the kidnapping capital of the world now. Better lock the doors on the Lancer.
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Does this refer to any particular type of dessert ? Cherry pie, chocolate fudge sundae or..............what ? I thought desserts were placed on Earth to make us feel good at the end of a meal but if they're soaking up CO2 as well, then that's a real bonus. Bring 'em on.
On the other hand, if you meant deserts......................
Sorry, just an old Brit who couldn't resist.
So you're a Brit? You guys have really messed up the English language. When I was in London I couldn't understand anyone.
I wanted to say that. You Brits just have a way with the English language. Have you paid Brown your carbon credits today?
"I don’t think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect," said Schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the International Conference on Climate Change in New York.
Schmitt contends that scientists "are being intimidated" if they disagree with the idea that burning fossil fuels has increased carbon dioxide levels, temperatures and sea levels.
"They’ve seen too many of their colleagues lose grant funding when they haven’t gone along with the so-called political consensus that we’re in a human-caused global warming," Schmitt said.
Dan Williams, publisher with the Chicago-based Heartland Institute, which is hosting the climate change conference, said he invited Schmitt after reading about his resignation from The Planetary Society, a nonprofit dedicated to space exploration.
Schmitt resigned after the group blamed global warming on human activity. In his resignation letter, the 74-year-old geologist argued that the "global warming scare is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making."
Williams said Heartland is skeptical about the crisis that people are proclaiming in global warming.
"Not that the planet hasn’t warmed. We know it has or we’d all still be in the Ice Age," he said. "But it has not reached a crisis proportion and, even among us skeptics, there’s disagreement about how much man has been responsible for that warming."
Schmitt said he’s heartened that the upcoming conference is made up of scientists who haven’t been manipulated by politics.
Of the global warming debate, he said: "It’s one of the few times you’ve seen a sizable portion of scientists who ought to be objective take a political position and it’s coloring their objectivity."
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P.S. Still waiting for the first real scientist to pipe in and say "I lost my grant funding because I do not believe in Global Warming." So far, it's been a rallying cry for the "alternate view" believers but I have not ever seen it proven true, other than hearsay.
Well I may share that belief, but can you really believe him? After all he's 1) a politician and 2) he claims to have walked on the moon and we all know that was a government hoax
Uh, loss of their grant is why you haven't heard one recant and you probably never will until some better money grab comes along.
In the meantime I will continue to do my part against GW by eating more apple pie !!
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When it comes to global warming, hamburgers are the Hummers of food, scientists say.
Simply switching from steak to salad could cut as much carbon as leaving the car at home a couple days a week.
That's because beef is such an incredibly inefficient food to produce and cows release so much harmful methane into the atmosphere, said Nathan Pelletier of Dalhousie University in Canada.
Pelletier is one of a growing number of scientists studying the environmental costs of food from field to plate.
By looking at everything from how much grain a cow eats before it is ready for slaughter to the emissions released by manure, they are getting a clearer idea of the true costs of food.
The livestock sector is estimated to account for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions and beef is the biggest culprit.
"Switching to no red meat and no dairy products is the equivalent of (cutting out) 8,100 miles driven in a car ... that gets 25 miles to the gallon," Weber said in an interview following the symposium.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.e36a67d49c1127a8c17cc38ed4a4c27e.211- &show_article=1
So if you are a Vegan you can drive a Hummer and not feel guilty. Ain't America grand?
We DO have the technology to virtually eliminate vehicle pollution.
So let's address the issues we can control, eh?