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Now.... can you IMAGINE what would happen if all our cars were NOW plug in electrical?
Looks like a TBD date in FEB for a last week in Jan out age.
And that is for two governors that are both democrats!!!!
No doubt in my mind. We have reached the point of diminishing returns with emissions. In fact gone beyond practical to the ridiculous. I got a guy that will put a Cummins 4BT diesel in my Ford Ranger. They say all you do is go into the DMV tell them you put a new diesel engine in and they change it on your VIN. NO SMOG needed, its CA where they do not test light diesels. Should double the mileage I get with that gas guzzling V6. He has done several Rangers here in San Diego. Gets the engines and trans out of delivery trucks and rebuilds them. I should be able to pull my utility trailer up our hills with 300 ft lbs of torque. And warm the planet as we go.
Update from my favorite source. The only weather man that calls it right most of the time around here.
The Amazing Story Behind Tho Global Warming Scam
By John Coleman
January 28, 2009
The key players are now all in place in Washington and in state governments across America to officially label carbon dioxide as a pollutant and enact laws that tax we citizens for our carbon footprints. Only two details stand in the way, the faltering economic times and a dramatic turn toward a colder climate. The last two bitter winters have lead to a rise in public awareness that CO2 is not a pollutant and is not a significant greenhouse gas that is triggering runaway global warming.
Read the rest about Roger Revelle:
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
That's what it took to get diesel exhaust clean enough !!!
(OH, SNAP !!!! )
Do the dim bulbs that support such taxes not realize that we all exhale CO2 with every breath? Giving government zealots the ability to regulate CO2 as a pollutant basicly gives big brother the power over our ability to breathe!
How would you like to have some government drone come to your home and say "The EPA has determined that by breathing for the last 60 years you have contributed to global warming. Therefore we have brought this plastic bag to cover your head with so we can reduce your carbon emissions."?
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Taxing livestock for their emissions will just be the start. Your point is not beyond people like Al Gore and Henry Waxman. They will run the economy down into the dirt where all we can afford to eat is beans and tortillas. Then tax us for emitting GHG... :sick:
Rep. Senator Johnny Isakson on Gore's dismissal of nuclear power,"If you accept every dire circumstance of climate change and you take a clean, reliable source of energy off the table (nuclear)... I don't think you can ever get to the solution you are seeking." Gore said nuclear could play a small role, but would not be a "silver bullet".
The writer of the article wrote," In three hours of testimony that at times looked like a sequel to the Oscar winning documentary based on his book "An Inconvenient Truth".... so seems like another book is forthcoming. Personally, I'd like to see those clean burning nuclear powered cars like they had on "Back to the Future"... run those things on banana peels and stale beer.
So there it is, Roger Revelle was indeed the grandfather of global warming. His work had laid the foundation for the UN IPCC, provided the anti-fossil fuel ammunition to the environmental movement and sent Al Gore on his road to his books, his movie, his Nobel Peace Prize and a hundred million dollars from the carbon credits business.
What happened next is amazing. The global warming frenzy was becoming the cause celeb of the media. After all the media is mostly liberal, loves Al Gore, loves to warn us of impending disasters and tell us "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". The politicians and the environmentalist loved it, too.
But the tide was turning with Roger Revelle. He was forced out at Harvard at 65 and returned to California and a semi retirement position at UCSD. There he had time to rethink Carbon Dioxide and the greenhouse effect. The man who had inspired Al Gore and given the UN the basic research it needed to launch its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was having second thoughts. In 1988 he wrote two cautionary letters to members of Congress. He wrote, "My own personal belief is that we should wait another 10 or 20 years to really be convinced that the greenhouse effect is going to be important for human beings, in both positive and negative ways." He added, " we should be careful not to arouse too much alarm until the rate and amount of warming becomes clearer."
I think, though, that the warming is probably occurring, and yes, that humans are responsible for some of it. I mean, the atmosphere is really only a few miles thick, at least the usable part of it. Considering billions of people, machines, vehicles, buildings, etc generating heat and emissions per day, yes, not very far fetched to think that we could alter the temperature of a couple miles of air varnished over the surface of the entire planet. However, I think the more pragmatic question is, assuming that global warming does exist, and assuming that human activity is causing the majority of it, do we really have the technological and financial means to effect large scale change in a short time period? Enough change, fast enough, to really avoid most of the nasty effects? I would say not. I think the train has probably left the station so long ago, that even with an immense effort, at ludicrous cost, with enormous sacrifice in lifestyle, we might barely shift the scale back.
Think of a dump truck sitting on a hill. It takes little effort to place a wheel chock under a wheel before the truck starts rolling. However, once the truck is going 20 miles an hour down the hill, 500 people grabbing it and jumping in front of it probably won't stop it. The cost of stopping the truck at that point is ridiculous, and probably not worth it to the 500 people. Rather than 200 of the people jumping in front of the truck and getting crushed in an attempt to stop it, everyone just gets the heck out of the way and deals with whatever the truck crashes into later. A very simplistic analogy, of course. My point is, assuming the GW is as bad as you hear, I postulate that even a massive action with the whole of humanity taking part ( try getting that many people to do ANYTHING together ) will only mildly influence the outcome. In other words, we're probably already screwed. So, I don't think it is a matter of whether the warming is happening or not. It is a matter of, assuming that it is, REALISTICALLY what are our chances of really reversing or mitigating it in a reasonable time frame in the framework of a budget we can bear? My hunch is low double digit percentage chance. I think you'd have to convince the average person that the chances of making things dramatically better, if they sacrificed, in the relatively short term were in the 75% or better range to get anyone to act. Good luck.
Is this just a charade, or do some of you think something is going on here. Is this just one of earth's normal downturns in ice formation that naturally keeps cycling icy and less-icy, for decades upon decades upon decades?
There's the reports from the South Pole and Antarctica of huge chunks of ice falling in to the part of the sea that leads to and faces Australia.
Just natural evolvic progression going on here?
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Even more amazing, to me, was that the BBC were being so even-handed in their reporting. They are known to be major GW supporters. I now sense a distinct distancing from that stance and I think it will be complete denial within the year.
True, methane and carbon dioxide are causing some atmospheric build-up, but, a trend towards warmer and warmer seasons? That is a much harder sell.
We should be responsible stewards of the earth and wean off of our dependence on foreign oil, though. I am a proponent of all-electrically-driven automobiles and I'm thrilled that so many companies here and abroad are seriously working on viable production models soon to be options for us all.
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That Con Rail thing is over now
The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office disbanded the new “Con Rail” program Thursday after only two inmate transports.
The cost-cutting plan announced Tuesday to use the Metro light rail to transport extradited inmates from Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport to the Fourth Avenue jail was met with criticism and unrest. Both Metro officials and riders expressed concern over the possibility of riding with inmates.
What I mean by adapting is people migrating - wow there's a historical concept, I heard that's been around since the Neanderthals and the Ice Age.
And Gary, please with that "buses aren't safe" thing. Silly.
And the "stinky homeless" thing is also outdated. Is your nose so sensitive that a whiff of the "down and out" will make your nose fall off? Don't be such a Rockefeller, dude.
As for safety, no record of the last assault on a city bus. Hasn't been seen in the news by me in the 13+ years I have lived here. Maybe that happens in Nude York Chitty but not around here.
You're more likely to get assaulted in a Mall parking lot than on a city bus or train.
Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1
Odds of dying in a car accident in a given year: 1 in 18,400
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Yup, YURI, you knew your goose was cooked if you got notice of mandatory attendance of "re education classes" there !!! Room and board provided :lemon:
Actually I was sent to upstate New York. :lemon: Guess they didn't want to pay the freight, nor the room and board.
That is for sure. If Canada were to warm a few degrees we could move everyone for 100 miles in from the coast and not even be crowded. Adapting is the key to survival. Not government mandates that NEVER work.
Odds of dying in a car accident in a given year: 1 in 18,400
Nice try at distortion of data. You are comparing ONE five mile ride on a bus to 15,000 miles of driving in your car. And I would question that bus figure on the basis of where you ride the bus. You are so sheltered in Phoenix compared to many cities like Chicago. You think your odds would hold up for 5 miles on the South Side of Chicago? I would say you would run the chance of being assaulted down to about 1 in 100 trips through that ghetto.
PHOENIX — A trip to the Grand Canyon turned deadly when a bus carrying Chinese tourists overturned on a highway near the Hoover Dam , killing seven people and injuring 10 others, several critically.
Investigators were trying to determine why the bus crashed on U.S. 93 late Friday afternoon, ejecting several people.
Six were pronounced dead at the scene, while a seventh died at a hospital, said Cmdr. Dean Nyhart of the Arizona Department of Public Safety. The driver was among those in critical condition, he said.
Bus travel DANGEROUS
Wasn't there also an incident where on a Greyhound bus traveling somewhere in the southwest last year, where one man cut off another man's head and started eating it as a snack?
I never heard of that happening in the family sedan.
EDIT: The head chopping happened in Canada about a year ago. Just for fun Google "bus violence" and you can spend the next few years reading about a bazillion articles on bus mayhem.
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One thing my wife, son and I have noticed about the Tucson Greyhound station is their diligence in "guarding" access to the restrooms. I had to empty my pockets and leave the contents with this restroom "attendant" while I went to the men's room.
Any questions are met with a quick retort of "Yes, you have to."
No further explanation. Tucson can get a bit rough around the edges, with it's 1 million person population, some gangs, violence, drug-running, close proximity to the international border, etc.
And lars, be careful riding your bike in Tucson, if you might want to. A 91 y/o man plowed in to a group that was having one of those "Bike Events" to raise money for breast-cancer awareness, or something like that. No one died, but at least 3 people were seriously hurt and he didn't end up staying in jail(he is 91 years old).
Talk is they did take his driver's license away, though.
But Tucson has a very bad inner-town-proper rep for riding bikes. Not so in Phoenix, eh?
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Bus trips from MS to Florida and Atlanta in my teens, took a bus from Memphis to San Fran (~50 hours) and back in my 20's, commuted by bus for about 2 years in Anchorage (especially nice in the snow), have been to more than half the Mexican states by bus (gotta love the Rambo videos on the 1st Class buses), bused in Ecuador, Italy, Thailand ....
My wife is a whiz at figuring out bus schedules and we can get just about anywhere on a bus (or train). Except in the US (Canada isn't any better from what I can tell).
One million without power from the winter storms (some of that "extreme" global warming weather?).
And why aren't all you Drudge posters not posting this link?
Record-breaking heat scorches southern Australia (Yahoo)
"These events are unprecedented," Victoria state Energy and Resources Minister Peter Batchelor said Saturday. "In some respects, they are not unlike a natural disaster, impacting on a community like a flood or tornado."
Conclusions
In New York City, it can make sense not to own a car. Parking is prohibitive, the risk of damage from on-street parking is severe, and the transit system beats driving much of the time. In Moab, Utah, fuhgeddaboutit.
In sparsely-populated areas, there simply is no practical alternative to the automobile. People who live in those places need cars to get around and haul cargo. People who need to get to places not served by mass transit also have no alternative to the automobile
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/masstransit.htm
PS
I thought about posting how the Aussies sucked all the heat from the NE US. I thought I would leave it for larsb.
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That link you post is from some group promoting more money for public transportation so I'm sure those figures are TOTALLY unbiased, right?
Buses are indeed safer in crashes than cars. So I would bet that the number of fatalities per miles are a lot less. I would also bet that the stats your site promote are based on crash fatalities not deaths from muggings, knifings and assults on the bus not related to crashes. I'm also sure they ignore deaths that occur when some thug riding the bus with you gets off and follows you home.
What none of the promoters of public transit address are the quality of life issues that gracie and others have mentioned. You only have to be accosted by racists or sit in someone's bodily fluids a few times to take the bloom off the rose of public transit.
One last point on the link you gave. It says public transit operators (bus drivers) are highly trained to keep you safe. All I can say as a bus driver is that they don't train you for criminal behavior AT ALL.
After a series of episodes where unstable parents attempted to board my school bus to accost students I had a meeting with my transportation director. I asked him point blank how far was I allowed to go physically to protect the little kids on my bus. He mumbled a few vague things about safety but gave no direct guidance.
I finally asked if I was allowed to physically remove an out of control adult who I felt was a danger to my children. He blurted out "Well don't do that, we could get sued!".
So if some head chopper comes your way on the transit bus my guess is that waiting for the driver to protect you is a bad choice.
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I got pickpocketed on the subway in Mexico City one time. I got chased down some street full of bars in Pittsburgh in my VW Bug by some yahoo one trip. Another time I was told to get my a&# out of St. Louis (someone didn't like my Mississippi plates - or maybe it was just driving VW Bugs that made people go nuts). Then there was that preacher in Newfoundland who didn't like us sitting on the vacant lot next door to the church reading in our lawn chairs and chased us off.
So thanks to less that three hours of hassle out of 56 years of my life I'm supposed to live in terror of fellow passengers on a bus? Big deal - some idiot could stuff ricin in your mail slot or put peanuts in your clam sauce, but all these irrational fears shouldn't make you curl up in a ball and die. You guys are really stretching.
Houdini, I believe that point that keeps coming up in the "literature" is that GW causes more frequent extremes of weather. Not that one weather event indicates that GW is happening.
Good night Gracie.
but all these irrational fears shouldn't make you curl up in a ball and die. You guys are really stretching.
Like man made Global Warming is not a real Stretch?? :sick: You are more likely to get accosted on mass transit in a major city, than have the ocean rise in your front yard.
The third summer like that, I'm hitting the road again. :P
While Venice has been sinking for 1,000 years, it's gotten worse in the last century. And some blame it on GW:
Is Venice Sinking
No, I am referring to the fact that every time we mention how cold it is in our area we are met with the retort that this is weather, not climate. I am telling you the same thing is true of your example. Weather, not climate.
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So a big ice storm in Kentucky juxtaposed against record heat in Australia the same week is still just a couple of data points, but does tend to make one wonder if the extremes are becoming more frequent.
Extreme Weather Prompts Unprecedented Global Warming Alert (Commondreams.org).
Scientists: Weather extremes consistent with global warming (USA Today)
Back to Venice flooding, Sea levels rising at nearly double previous estimates due to global warming ( Medill Reports)
Antarctic warming rapidly say scientists (Greenleft.org.au)
What do the rest of y'all have today - rants by the Czech President?
It was gorgeous here today. 80 and clear. Same as it was for the last Super bowl that was played here. Hopefully the last SB that will ever be played here. With a little luck the loser Chargers will move to some other unlucky city and rape them like they have San Diego.
I am pretty sure that we have referenced more data points than you have, so thanks for the new ammo !! Here comes a data point now. Man is it cold outside ! Brrrrr...
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Looking beyond whether the earth is warming or not and whether humans are having an effect on climate, I'm loving the debate and the money getting spent.
I see more R&D on clean energy, upgrades to the housing stock, more alternative fuel cars, more opportunity for new business models and new businesses, more employment opportunities, less wasteful water practices (no more lawn mowing?), cleaner air in the inversion prone places I seem to like living in, less risk of my wife having an asthma attack, protection for bird and critter habitat (places I like to play in) and who knows what fun stuff will come out of the technology transfer from the research.
I can think of a lot worse stuff to spend money on.