Popular New Cars
Popular Used Sedans
Popular Used SUVs
Popular Used Pickup Trucks
Popular Used Hatchbacks
Popular Used Minivans
Popular Used Coupes
Popular Used Wagons
The original article had some of the facts different.
Thank you for the link. I have a call in to their Business/Transportation reporter for more info.
Once again, please accept my apology for saying that you made the whole thing up. I was wrong and I'm sorry.
Regarding the towing abilities of the truck "The suit alleged that the Dodge Ram 3500 Club Cab pickup truck could not withstand towing the trailers that Mr. and Mrs. Sellers transported and sold. The Sellerses said the truck jerked forward and backward when it towed the trailers, which were within the weight limits the truck was supposed to be able to handle." This after "the dealership assured him the truck could tow up to 11,000 pounds, much more than the 8,000 to 9,000 pounds a typical trailer weighs."
"Because they could not tow the trailers, they said, their business failed. They said they had to pay other people to transport the trailers and eventually had to sell their inventory at a significant loss just to pay their bills, including the loan on the pickup."
The dealer/corporate reaction: "[Mike Aberlich, director of public affairs for DaimlerChrysler,] said the company admits it erred in saying the truck could handle the loads Mr. and Mrs. Sellers needed it to carry (emphasis mine), but he said the company also tried to remedy the mistake." However, their offer "to get him a flatbed truck" "was unacceptable because the company asked [Mr. Sellers] to pay the difference in cost between the two trucks, about $5,000 – money he didn't have." So basically they sold him on a truck that wouldn't do what they said it would and then wanted to "make things right" by selling him even more truck.
It seems obvious to me that they should have given him -- at no further charge -- the truck that would in fact do what he was promised. If they had done that then this would be a non-story and they could even claim to be thoroughly customer-oriented by standing behind their claims (while quickly, of course, adjusting their claims for the pickup to be more honest and appropriate!).
As is often the case in such situations, a company poised on the knife edge between the lush valley of the heroes and the barren crevasse of the villains, chooses the short-sighted "cheap" route (really very, very expensive in the long run!) and tumbles off the precipice on the villain side. They basically took an unexpected (and not very welcome) opportunity and blew it big time. It is almost impossible to climb back out of that pit. Ask Firestone....
The article does not specify the exact setup they were sold, but it is telling that they were offered a bigger (I assume, though that has gotten me in trouble before!) flat bed truck that would handle their needs. Ya got me!
Even the Dodge representatives were forced to admit they lied about the trucks capabilities. So why is it the owners fault?
"I'd like to see a Tundra towing a 6000#
trailer against a Dodge one ton towing 8000#'s."
The Tundra has been put to use pulling 6000lbs trailers with good reviews by the owners, so what's your point on this?
Yep, especially when comparared to a Dodge 3500!
BTW, if your so sure of your "improperly hooked up trailer" theory then buy a Tundra, hook up 7200lbs(the max tow rating) improperly and then sue Toyota. Your $80 million fortune is waiting...
Toytunone- post #118 you posted misinformation.
"A 1997 Dodge Ram 3500 pickup wouldn't tow a 5000 lb trailer"
D/C never admitted such a thing..Get it right.
Not only that I'm SURE Toyota has never been in court for a law suit...Give me a break!!
What a dumb subject..
increases sales dramatically in the next two years
and becomes a popular replacement for many pickup
owners out there of small, mid and some full size
That's a good one!
Keep laughing, it's good for the soul. BTW, do you work for GM?
its about 1 in 50 maybe. Thats no explosion
However, "they" said Lexus would never make it in the luxury car business, since it was already so overcrowded, but today Lexus sells more than half as many Luxury cars as Cadillac or Lincoln in the U.S.
Hopefully, after reading the article for yourself, you'll apolegize to toytunone, as I did.
The smaller DOHC engine in the smaller truck is a gas guzzler, oh but thats an improvement right?
The LS1 based engines are fresh designs and meet current and future emmision standards and get good fuel economy so why would GM spend a ton of dough for a DOHC engine? A sticker maybe?
I havent met a Silverado owner who doesnt like their truck, and it offers much, much more than the upgraded T100 (Tundra) in standard features and available equipment.
And what, in your opinion, is a long overdue improvement for domestic full size trucks?
Standard 4 wheel ABS disc brakes on the Silverado, what does the Tundra come with?
I like 4 wheel ABS standard and the optional posi traction.
My Tundra has ABS and dual caliper front disc brakes. Tundra doesn't offer positraction yet, that's a good point. Maybe Toyota will fix it soon.
Tell you what, you don't think it's full size? Let's compare it point by point to your S-10:
Load capacity: 2000 lbs
Towing capacity: 7200 lbs
0-60 mph: 7.8 seconds (every try this in 4X4 Low?) Wow, about 5 seconds, don't try on dry pavement!
Why don't you go to a showroom and drive a Tundra and see what you think?
my '00 'rado z71's overall gas mileage (over the first 12k miles) has been just over 15 mpg. the kicker? 80%+ has been commuting or off road. on the one long trip i took, it spiked to 19+. i too, drive aggressively (lead foot if you will) both on the highway and around town. so no, that is not a gm myth. my 'rado has gotten as good, if not better mileage than advertised.
here we go, disassembling each tundra accusation apart, piece by piece again. why can't everyone just look back at the earlier topics and realize the tundra dicks aren't ever gonna get it?
youre suggesting that Chevy, which already gets
better mileage from a OHV engine switch to DOHC.
The smaller DOHC engine in the smaller truck is a
gas guzzler, oh but thats an improvement right?
No, I'm saying the silverado gets about the SAME,(NOT BETTER), gas mileage as a similiarly equipped Tundra. OK? SAME, NOT BETTER. Got it??
Talk about dense.
take it away Kyle!.....ya got a whole new audience!
I never said the Dodge 3500 could not tow 8000lbs.
Dodge representitives themselves admitted to that fact in court!!!!
If you don't like the truth...that's too bad! If you want to get mad, take it up with Dodge and their false claims/advertising.
Anyway, you guys have been cracking me up for months here and I think I'll go back on the sidelines for awhile
Toytunone. I do not have thw weight facts of the tundra or silverado if you know these could you post them. This also should having bearing with mpg.
please stop me)ZZZZZZZZZ BTW, and i'm not putting
the toyota guys down but, have you actually
ridden in the back seat of the tundra? also the
gas milage you are talking about may well be the
guys with the v-6. in your previous life you also
left out those particular details. only now
you're starting a whole new war. it's just a
matter of time before you're caught again.
When I think about the problems with any truck, imperfect as it may be, and then compare it to Toyota I start asking questions.
Why would Toyota put on a pip squeak horn?
Why would Toyota put on drum brakes?
Why doesn't the Toyota get good gas mileage?
The inevitable answer, though they are not without some appeal, mostly due to the superior warranty, is that they are built this way because that's the knowhow Toyota has for building small trucks cheaply. You don't have think of Frank Sinatra to know they did it "your way."
I would consider one, based on reputation. I already have, several times. But the truck itself is too big of a disappointment, to bother with. Face reality. Your lifestyle dictates you will switch to something new again, long before 200,000 miles. (Robby, you old truck doesn't pass emissions, so spare us the testimonial.)
Something you posted reminded me of Burger King..."Have it your way" ...LOL
You force the review of my testimonial.
1978 Toyota 2WD. At 280,000 miles, many of them driven around the moto-cross track, it no longer passed emissions. I put in a $300 cate engine (I put in a new clutch/throwout bearing/pilot bearing while I was at it for $129.00) and now have 387,000 miles and it is fully liscensed with current tags. It still runs great!