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I'm sure the salesman didn't know much about horse trailers, and I'm sure the people didn't bring one with them to the dealership. I am also confident that a regular light duty horse trailer (5000 - 6000 lbs. empty) with a couple of horses in it would not have been a problem.
I looked at a large light duty trailer a couple of months ago. (Idle curiosity - I don't have a horse anymore.) 3 horses max plus a tack room and a small A/Ced dressing room. Literature said is was 5800 lbs. empty and the salesman said he recommended any of the Big three 1-ton duallies with a deisel or big V-8 gas engine for pulling loaded.
Why don't you run a search on horse trailers and see if you can find a picture of a trailer with an empty weight of >8000 lbs.
My point is that these people knew the configuration of the trailers they were building. The salesman did not. They should have known better.
But then, what can you say about juries? Look at OJ.
article. Read posts 276 & 294 by mrurl."
If you want to bury your head in the sand, then don't read the article. I'm sure your more interested in some armchair lawer's theories and conjectures.
Are you one of those people that believe Emelia Earhardt was abducted by aliens and that the Holocaust was a big plublicity stunt to make poor Adolph look bad?
Trailer designed to have the pin about 6" higher than the top of the tire. To clear the bed rails the pin is now 18-24" above the tires on a shimmed hitch. A truck with a maximum pin weight of 2500 lbs towing a trailer with 3500 lbs on the pin. And that on an improperly installed hitch.
We'll never know what the Dodge engineers "admitted" without buying a copy of the trial transcript. You would fit right in on that jury, however. "The technical details are too complicated to follow. The salesman said that the truck would tow an 8000# trailer and it couldn't tow this one. Good enough for me."
But that also begs the question (which we also won't know without "buying?" the transcript of the trial) as to why in the world you think these people would have knowingly ruined there own business. Were they smart enough to sucker Dodge into promising more so that they could suffer through losing their business, entering into a probable-loss in a lawsuit and now endure who knows how many years of appeals before they see perhaps a few tens of thousands of dollars?
We can speculate all day. Still I wonder why so many here are so concerned with making this a plus or minus compared to Toyota instead of just admitting that Dodge screwed up this sale and its aftermath (as Dodge themselves has).
Ford, I think, made some very bad decisions in their handling of several problems in the last few years. Admitting that doesn't make the Tundra the better choice for me nor does it diminish my appreciation of, happiness with nor satisfaction in my F-150. Why does this Dodge case bother some of you so much?
I have seen 1 ton Dodges towing fifth wheel trailers, that are properly equip with no problems whatsoever.
This case make no sense except maybe these people were out to reclaim there losses no matter what.
Maybe the salesperson who sold this truck to those people made claims that were not true and Dodge had to admit they were false claims.
Just my .02
Look, I don't give a hoot for which of these trucks tow the most or the best. What I do care about is which maker stands behind their product and how. This apparent failure of Dodge to do so does not mean no one should buy their product. But it is something to take into account as you assess the claims they make for their products. Surely you don't think that everything is "operator error?!?"
I am not defending DC but it seems that somewhere the consumer is still responsible for a little bit.The main thing DID THEY READ THE OWNERS MANUAL.If they did they would have known that they needed special equipment to tow that kind of weight.
In this case it seems that the dealer is at fault more than anything for deceptive selling practices.
This case really upsets me because it shows that 90% of the people today have no common sense. for example a Tundra has a tow rating of 7000# and I am sure someone has hooked up a 7000# trailer to a stock Tundra and it towed it fine.But I am willing to bet they never thought to check the rating on the class 3 hitch on the truck.The max weight for the hitch is 5000# with a 500# tongue weight.
Anyone remember the link to the article where you had to pay $2.50 to receive it? I think I can scrape up $2.50 out of my daily lunch allowance to purchase this item. Should make for good reading on my lunchless lunchbreak. TIA.
I suspect that the dealer misunderstood the requirements or was plain ignorant of the towing needs of this couple. I'm sure that we have all met some pretty ignorant salespeople. I believe that dodge is likely re-writing thier towing specs to clarify specificly what is allowed and what is not. I suspect that ford and gm will follow shortly. Some one else is bound to smell some easy money.
An example of an ideological reason is refusing a hamburger because you are a vegetarian.
I don't care if you don't want to tell what your "ideological reason" is. (if you even know what ideological means).
What did you accomplish? The stalker still has your old email address. You should have just not published your new one. No need to change your identity(other than "ideological reasons".
If you wanted to change identities - why not "werking1"?
Now here comes the part where the chevy pack - Obyone, Redsilverado, Mgdvhman, and Ryanbab come to BCO's rescue. It is only natural for a pack to try to defend their "runt"
Redsilverado - "Shoot fire! My truck is bigger than yours. Yeehaw!"
MGDvhman - "ditto. Get me another beer"
Obyone - "I'm defending BCO because I want to be one of the pack"
Ryanbabs - "I don't understand"
Hey im not the clueless one buddy. You are. He did it for another reason too but you wouldnt understand. Why try to explain things to someone who thinks they know it all
....and I have wayy more respect for a Military man like Kyle than any hang gliding import lover...
All that's left is Tim's red parrot.
I like Ryans response the best. Paraphrased; "Leave him alone you big bully, he had his reasons. Now leave me alone while I put more stickers on my truck."
Sorry Ryan, I couldn't resist.
Bring on Goldburg!!!
BTW, Bama and Rwell is one and the same.... just to let you know....remember I was the first with f150rules....
How's the dodge doing?
Now clicking on the "Fact Sheets" choice took me to a page with nothing really on it at all except a link to "Worldwide Facilities." So, I'm still lost. How did you get to there posted towing specs, rassom1?
i've said it before, i'll say it again...let it freakin' go...
Access Cab LTD with these options
AB,BB,CK,EJ,LA,N1,OF, V3. The dealer is telling
me his cost is $30,109 although i researched it at
$ 29,128. He says there are advertising and
financing costs that are making his cost more. Is
that true? He wants $31,000 for the truck. Any
info would be a great help. thanks, Pescador1
another good site for pricing out vehicles yourself is www.carwizard.com it allows you to "build" your own vehicle and compare dealer cost to invoice. that's what i used when negotiating the price for my new silverado.
1. yes, dodge (whether it was the dealer or corporate - prob'ly a little of both) screwed up when it came to handling of that issue.
2. no, a tundra cannot out-tow a dodge one ton.
when that changed and someone pursued it outside (in REAL life, if you will) i changed my mind about how available i wanted to make my identity. i suppose i didn't realize how personal some folks here take things. personally, i can't imagine anyone saying anything to me in this forum that would make me want to pursue them off-line and do something about it. apparently, some take it much more seriously than i. i didn't (and still don't) see a reason to stop posting when a simple name change could protect me. now, if i could only get others to show the smallest bit of respect for that and stop posting my name, things would be just fine.
First get on the URL I posted.
Next click on "2001 Product Information".
Next Page click on "Dodge Brand Information".
Next page scroll down to Ram Pickup then click on "Specifications".
Next page scroll to the end and then click on "More 2001 Dodge Ram Specifications"
This next page will have all the towing specs.
Hope this helps.
Dude, don't take this personal but the red/oby oby/red posts on Tim's site are sort of making you two look gay. I don't think Tim's gonna stand for that much longer. LMAO!!!!