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Tundra vs the Big 3 Continued IV

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  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    I typed a % instead of degrees...my bad! To save confusion I'll just say...it was really steep! ;)
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    Insert Toyota for dodge in the lawsuit and you would be the first to jump on the bandwagon against the company. However, when it's one of your "do-no-wrong" domestic brands in the hot seat, your the first to lamblast the consumer. For shame, Kyle!
  • z71billz71bill Posts: 2,000
    On my drive home from work tonight I saw 2 broken down Rams. (Sam Houston toll road in Houston). That is not that unusual - but here is the killer - the tow truck that was trying to help one of the broken down trucks was also stalled in the middle of the road. A second tow truck (also a Ram) was trying to hook onto the first wrecker. I guess these wrecker guys take care of their own first. 4 Dodges (3 broken) all lined up and blocking traffic - what a site.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    I didnt say a thing about the degrees issue. I have no disputes with that. Someone else was talking about that.

    My thing is 5 people up front??? No my silverado cant do that thank god. I have bucket seats only 2 up front. Hmmm do you have a bench seat??? Im just trying to figure this out. If you have a bench i guess its possible i have had 4 people in a reg cab S-10 before. 5 people with bucket seats would be impossible.

    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    Your scaring me. I realize you may not like the Tundra's back seat but...
    I also have capt chairs or I could have put 6 in the cab and 1 in the back of the truck.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    I also mentioned it was really hot out that day and the 2 people riding in the bed of the truck appreciated the flow of cold air through the slider. Is this what you mean when you said your Silverado "can't do that"?
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    5 people in the front seat with buck seats??? Anyone think this is possible???

    Cause im not believing this one. This is about as good as the tundra out towing a one ton dodge ram.

    "cant do it" - what i meant by that was have 5 people up front. I could fit 6 people comfortable in my silverado (2 in front and 4 in back ive done this) and no one would have to ride in the back to keep "cool". Air vents in the rear. Does your tundra have these???


    Ryan
  • bcobco Posts: 756
    ryan,
    he means: 2 in front buckets, 3 across bench of ext cab, and 2 "in the back" means in the bed. for a total of 7. i'm sure the 3 on the extended cab bench were commenting the whole way up how "vast and comfortable" it was back there too right? uh huh...pour another one...

    bco
  • bcobco Posts: 756
    that should read "ended UP buying..."

    bco
  • bcobco Posts: 756
    no, rwell, i don't have a slider in my 'rado, the ac keeps the inside cool all by itself. LOL.

    "Insert Toyota for dodge in the lawsuit and you
    would be the first to jump on the bandwagon against the company. However, when it's one of your "do-no-wrong" domestic brands in the hot seat, your the first to lamblast the consumer. For shame, Kyle!"

    uh, well, no. but it sure is a good thing YOU don't do things like that! LMAO. lamblast? what is lamblast...hmmm...gonna go get a dictionary. pretty desperate if you're putting words (especially those that don't exist) in my mouth rob.

    say, long-term test of tundra by automobile magazine revealed that they didn't care for the cloth seats. said it pulled like "velcro" on their clothes and that it retained more dirt, pet hair, and junk than anything else. they ended buying after market seat covers to remedy the situation. combine that with the armrest panels wearing out too quickly and the interior materials in your tundra don't seem to be quite so "top notch", eh? or is automobile magazine not in the "top ten" reading list of tundra owners?

    bama? you're the comic book expert...any thoughts on this one???

    bco
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    Oh thanks for clarifying that kyle. He made it seem like he had 5 in the front seat which is possibly possible with a bench seat but very illegal. Ok i got it 2 in front 3 in ext cab (oh wait access cab) and 2 in the bed. Ok this is possible. Sorry RWELL. My fault havent been getting much sleep as of late.

    Ryan
  • mrurlmrurl Posts: 116
    No, I don't have a website, but I know enough about horse trailers to know what kind weigh 8000 lbs. empty, and only the design I described.

    I'm sure the salesman didn't know much about horse trailers, and I'm sure the people didn't bring one with them to the dealership. I am also confident that a regular light duty horse trailer (5000 - 6000 lbs. empty) with a couple of horses in it would not have been a problem.

    I looked at a large light duty trailer a couple of months ago. (Idle curiosity - I don't have a horse anymore.) 3 horses max plus a tack room and a small A/Ced dressing room. Literature said is was 5800 lbs. empty and the salesman said he recommended any of the Big three 1-ton duallies with a deisel or big V-8 gas engine for pulling loaded.

    Why don't you run a search on horse trailers and see if you can find a picture of a trailer with an empty weight of >8000 lbs.

    My point is that these people knew the configuration of the trailers they were building. The salesman did not. They should have known better.

    But then, what can you say about juries? Look at OJ.

    Peter
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    I'm not going to waste my time on reading the article. Read posts 276 & 294 by mrurl. Do you think the Tundra with the same trailer would have survived? You guys are real winners. My point again is that a Dodge one ton will out tow a Tundra - a Dodge one ton can tow 8000# if done properly. Maybe a Toy can tow 7200#, but it will not out tow a one ton. USE YOUR HEAD!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    "I'm not going to waste my time on reading the
    article. Read posts 276 & 294 by mrurl."

    If you want to bury your head in the sand, then don't read the article. I'm sure your more interested in some armchair lawer's theories and conjectures.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    You still don't get it! The Dodge company openly admitted that their truck could not handle the weight. They have since then retracted the tow ratings from their literature. If the owners of the truck had improperly and abusively used the truck, why would Dodge representatives and engineers admit, under oath, that the truck was incapable of hauling the stated weight? With logic like yours, you probably think the people suing the firestone and ford companies are at fault for the exloding tires!
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    you and me. I don't need to read a article to know any one ton will out tow any Toyota. You apparantly need to read articles spewed out any source to justify your purchase. Again I'll ask - do you think a Toyota would stand up to the same conditions as mrurl has shown?? NO! Brick wall...
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    "more buck, less truck" eh rob? I'm starting to think you and bama are one and the same. Seems as though yours and his posts are always pretty close (time wise). Something up here rob? I'm sure you have good explination though. Rob, like I have said time and time again - I don't think the Tundra is a bad truck, but your extremly quick to jump all over somebody elses ride. You know I kinda miss ole trucksrme - he was kinda hard headed just like you - just on a different side...hehehe...
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    duck everyone's questions...
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    You still choose to ignore facts and disregard the truth about the Dodge truck lawsuit.
    Are you one of those people that believe Emelia Earhardt was abducted by aliens and that the Holocaust was a big plublicity stunt to make poor Adolph look bad?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    That would be "publicity"
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    but a one ton can tow 8000#. What about answering my questions Rob? Typical - duck everybody's questions and fire back. Why do I even bother with you? Yeah, lets change the subject "Emelia Earhardt" so you don't have to respond. When your ready to answer a question look me up - until then p*ss off...
  • swobigswobig Posts: 634
    on the 2001 Tundra options. Did they leave it off for 2001 also? If they did, it's a mistake...
  • mrurlmrurl Posts: 116
    Well, the reporter who wrote the article said that. The one sentence was probably the distillation of hours of testimony, and the reporter may have been getting *that* second hand. What is true is that a one ton truck with a normal bed is inadequate to tow *that kind* of 8000 lb trailer.

    Trailer designed to have the pin about 6" higher than the top of the tire. To clear the bed rails the pin is now 18-24" above the tires on a shimmed hitch. A truck with a maximum pin weight of 2500 lbs towing a trailer with 3500 lbs on the pin. And that on an improperly installed hitch.

    We'll never know what the Dodge engineers "admitted" without buying a copy of the trial transcript. You would fit right in on that jury, however. "The technical details are too complicated to follow. The salesman said that the truck would tow an 8000# trailer and it couldn't tow this one. Good enough for me."

    Peter
  • I believe you about the trailers. However, I also believe that these people asked specifically if the truck would do the job and that they were told it would. I don't think it likely (although stranger things have happened ala OJ) that the Dodge (presumably) high priced lawyers would have missed the "improper equipment for the job" argument if the customer really had made that mistake.

    But that also begs the question (which we also won't know without "buying?" the transcript of the trial) as to why in the world you think these people would have knowingly ruined there own business. Were they smart enough to sucker Dodge into promising more so that they could suffer through losing their business, entering into a probable-loss in a lawsuit and now endure who knows how many years of appeals before they see perhaps a few tens of thousands of dollars?

    We can speculate all day. Still I wonder why so many here are so concerned with making this a plus or minus compared to Toyota instead of just admitting that Dodge screwed up this sale and its aftermath (as Dodge themselves has).

    Ford, I think, made some very bad decisions in their handling of several problems in the last few years. Admitting that doesn't make the Tundra the better choice for me nor does it diminish my appreciation of, happiness with nor satisfaction in my F-150. Why does this Dodge case bother some of you so much?
  • rassom1rassom1 Posts: 35
    It appears that whatever the reason was for the Dodge not towing the trailer, it seems that some people in general have lost ther common sense.
    I have seen 1 ton Dodges towing fifth wheel trailers, that are properly equip with no problems whatsoever.
    This case make no sense except maybe these people were out to reclaim there losses no matter what.
    Maybe the salesperson who sold this truck to those people made claims that were not true and Dodge had to admit they were false claims.
    Just my .02
  • So do you know what the towing limits are on the various Dodge pickups? The Dodge web site doesn't seem to include that information anymore. Or are we only allowed to buy a truck for towing if we possess the "common sense" to figure that out for ourselves.

    Look, I don't give a hoot for which of these trucks tow the most or the best. What I do care about is which maker stands behind their product and how. This apparent failure of Dodge to do so does not mean no one should buy their product. But it is something to take into account as you assess the claims they make for their products. Surely you don't think that everything is "operator error?!?"
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    I think you've made the most intelligent post about this, so far. Why some think they have to defend the Daimler Chysler corporation like a close relative, is beyond me.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Posts: 1,006
    You continue to create your own stories and scenarios that would supposedly let Dodge off the hook while laying blame on the consumer. The simple fact is that they messed up and now they have to correct their mistake. Towing information has been deleted from their specs. This is telling proof that they have been forced to reevaluate their truck's performance.
  • rassom1rassom1 Posts: 35
    Here is link to Dodge towing specs.
    Enough said.
    http://us.media.daimlerchrysler.com/index_e.htm
  • lariat1lariat1 Posts: 461
    If I remember right the GVWR on my 98 Ram is 18,000 lbs the truck dry weighs 6600lbs that would give me about 11,400 lbs to add on to the truck not including people and other cargo.Now common sense tells me that I cannot do to the dodge dealer and buy a truck off the lot and tow 11,000lbs it tells you in the OWNERS MANUAL that you need special equipment to tow anything over 5,000lbs like trailer brakes, weight distributing hitch or a kingpin for heavy trailers.
    I am not defending DC but it seems that somewhere the consumer is still responsible for a little bit.The main thing DID THEY READ THE OWNERS MANUAL.If they did they would have known that they needed special equipment to tow that kind of weight.
    In this case it seems that the dealer is at fault more than anything for deceptive selling practices.
    This case really upsets me because it shows that 90% of the people today have no common sense. for example a Tundra has a tow rating of 7000# and I am sure someone has hooked up a 7000# trailer to a stock Tundra and it towed it fine.But I am willing to bet they never thought to check the rating on the class 3 hitch on the truck.The max weight for the hitch is 5000# with a 500# tongue weight.
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