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Tundra vs the Big 3 Continued IV

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  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    fyi, the irony of the "cut and paste" statement in post #455 was intended. you still harping on ideology? LOL...knew you couldn't talk trucks...

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    #444...that site had a whopping 698 posts on it. less than 70% of just the VIBRATION posts on tundra solutions.

    and most of those 698 were so not dealing with cars and trucks...it wasn't even funny...try harder.

    i did notice the guy (rogue?) who got his silverado bought back got a tundra...oops...no he didn't...he got a tacoma. wonder why?

    oh and rob...the gmlemon site...that was a good onee...look back a few posts and you'll see the same thing. duh

    bco
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    misintepreted my intentions. I was trying to find you a place to get sympathy when your trucks crap out and you have to deal with the legal system to find a solution, (can you say LEMON LAW?). Please understand I meant no ill will. ;)
  • tundradudetundradude Member Posts: 588
    You have to admit that rubletoo/trucksrme/justtheone is quite entertaining.

    He constantly makes fun as the Tundra as a new T-100. He forgets that is quite complementary. The T-100 was a excellent truck. Sure it did not have a V8, but it held its own in the limits it had in hauling and towing and it was very reliable. My T100 had the 2.7 in it and it hauled more than a F150 with the 5.4 V8. Now thats facts.

    He also mentions that no one works their yuppie trucks. I am 29 year old college professor so I guess I would fit this stereotypical crowd. I work my truck hauling my camper and hauling mulch, furniture, and lots of wood. I have two houses with two woodstoves that needs to be fed all winter. My T100 went through more punishment. My friend who bought my T100 is carrying on the tradition.

    He also mentions they are not used on the farm. I live on a farm and I get the potatoes out of the garden as well as corn, beans, squash, cantelope, watermelon, and my array of fruit trees. So both the T100 and Tundra comes in handy on the farm.

    Yes my truck is little compared to the Big 2 and Dodge (German owned). My truck fits in my garage (barely). Although, its just as hard to park sometimes because its so big like all other comparable size trucks.

    So as you can see, I am glad rubletoo/trucksrme/justtheone is back. This tri-personalty has never said a personal attack to anyone. He is quite entertaining. He is also the perfect scapegoat to prove wrong. Post on Bob Davis!
  • tundradudetundradude Member Posts: 588
    towing my camper

    I guess i hit that post button to fast.
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    99 gmc is junk i got the big lemon
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    My 99 sierra started falling apart 3days after purchase and is still at it the trans slips on take off the anti-lock brakes are to sensitive the headliner fell down the ac went out and befor i could get it in for that the driver side window fell off track both inside door switches fell off the winshild has air bubbles in it and the inside fogs up this is my 3rd but last gmc truck and i only got 18000 miles on it it came from walt sweeny in cincinnati but was built in canada
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    http://carreview.com/reviews/pickup_trucks/product_525.shtml

    about 10% of these are written by people who are only trying to distort the results, the other 90% are enteresting.
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    . NHTSA Upgrades Investigation Into GM Truck Platform...(Ben Klayman) The federal government said Monday it upgraded an investigation into General Motors Corp.'s 1997-99 full-size pickup truck and sport utility platforms because of complaints of erratic power steering behavior. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said in its latest monthly defect report that it upgraded investigation of the GM trucks to an engineering analysis after receiving reports of steering wheels that experienced "a momentary oversteer as if someone had grabbed the steering wheel 4-5 inches toward the inside of the curve." The investigation covers GM's full-size pickup trucks, the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra, as well as the sport utility vehicles (SUVs) based on the same platform, or vehicle building block - the Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe and GMC Yukon. "As NHTSA itself notes, an engineering analysis should not be interpreted that a defect exists or will require action," GM spokesman Greg Martin said. "However, as they initiate an analysis, we'll fully cooperate." The vehicles in question are among GM's most profitable. Martin said the number covered by the investigation is about 2 million.


    This clueless Silverado driver probably had that defect:

    http://www.arlington.com/metro/topnews/1024amnmetcrash.htm
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    hey, i liked this one:
    "My T100 had the 2.7 in it and it hauled more than a F150 with the 5.4 V8. Now thats facts." damn, maybe the guy trying to haul 1080 lbs away from home depot needs a t100, huh? LOL!

    i'm sure we can go hit for hit...all i need to do is spend some more time cutting and pasting from tundra solutions. there's only one reason you'll find more complaints with gm and that's because gm makes more trucks. if you wanna compare ratios of tundras made to tundra complaints and gm's made to gm complaints you will find very similar numbers. in fact, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if gm comes out with better numbers...

    shall we resurrect? ok...

    tundra = less truck for more buck

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i agree...good site. looks like good info...will look at more later.

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    you did...about 15 posts ago...
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    blah blah blah these toyota guys sure do like to repeat themselves.

    Ryan
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i mean, i like to check out tundra solutions, cuz every once in awhile they have some good ideas over there. but, like that's the only tundra site i know of. now, if you ask a tundra fan...they can prob'ly list for you more gm sites than a gm truck owner can. hmmm...truck envy? feel the need to read someone else's pain to make yourself feel better? whatevah...

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    reference your post 469, yes, you posted it at #444, and i responded about how worthless is was in post #459. do you read anything here or just aimlessly cut and paste? LOL

    bco
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    GMACSUCKS!
  • pocahontaspocahontas Member Posts: 802
    have been hidden because the are off topic. And now back to the topic of the Tundra vs. the big three. Thanks for you participation. ;-)

    Pocahontas,
    Edmunds.com/Roving Host
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    GM vs. Toyota...or...Pocahontos vs.Pokeman??!!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Our new moderator is a magician. If you ask really nice, maybe she'll make your Shakerado magically turn into a pumpkin(Definitely an improvement)
  • michaelsolomonmichaelsolomon Member Posts: 7
    Gm will always have complaints,they do build millions of trucks,none-zero are perfect.Until they can make a perfect truck,there will be complaints.To me, I would buy a Chevy Or Ford before a tundra.Why?Because Chevy and Ford are American automakers and Toyota,Nissan, etc etc are not.We have many things here you don't see Abroad,even our homeless are fed better than some third world countries.We should be proud to live here and appreciate it,so buy American!
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    Sorry, I'll try to criticize the Silverados and leave out the other GMs. Surely you have noticed the Silverado owners have taken over the Edmunds Tundra topics? Then they get sensitive when, instead of defending their ridiculous claims about the Tundra, someone pokes holes in their precious Silverados. Oh well, soon they will all have buyback checks in their back pockets. Even that doesn't keep them from hogging the Tundra topics, Obyone.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Excellent job!!! The Gm gals are squirmen' bad now! Keep repeating the address to those sites. They don't like that info to get out(makes it hard to unload their heaps). New people to this forum need to have that information so they don't make the mistake of buying a Lemorado.
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    Yep, folks just aint gettin it now michelsolomon. They be so busy chasin that fad, they just aint thinkin bout much else. Good luck on this one now!
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    what is this?

    "Our new moderator is a magician. If you ask really nice, maybe she'll make your Shakerado magically turn into a pumpkin(Definitely an improvement)"

    rob...go back to reading cinderella...i'm sure there's some good fantasy-land hype about your tundra in there too. LOL

    oh, and remember...it's your tundra that had the shakes, not my 'rado...

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    LOL...i actually laughed out loud at work at that one!!!
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    That "full size" tundra sure aint. They be 32% smaller than them Chevys now. That be all but 1/3 smaller! They call that "full size"? Them t100 ones was bigger than that for sure. Facts is facts. What say to this one? Good luck on this one now!
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    This be the size difference between them ones:

    tundraChevrolet

    Use your eyes on this one! Which one be the "full size" one here? Good luck on this one now!
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    He sure does add spice to this topic doesn't he?

    Post #478. What do I have to do with that post? Better rid yourself of that Tun as it appears to causing defects in your persona.
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    Silverado buybacks, answer my question on the Tundra Vibration topic you've been posting on. BTW, do you own a Tundra?
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    i knew about putc...been there for a bit now. thanks though...

    bco
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    HEY MY POST WAS HIDDEN BUT IT INCLUDED THE WORD TOYOTA!!!

    Ryan
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    LOL...nuthin' like gettin' ev'ryone fired up again is there. 'specially fired up enough to get the hosts involved. welp, that was fun...good weekend everyone...

    bco
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Your question has been asked and answered in that topic. Best be checking for the answers before asking them same questions again. Could never won a Tundra. Long standing disagreement with dealerhip management and has nothing to do with Toyota products. Unfortunately, the same management owns all the Toyota dealerships in my area (6).
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    last post should read...Could never own a Tundra.
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    dealer today? What was wrong with it?
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    What happened to Merideth?? Probably couldn't handle it like a Tundra can't handle 1080 lbs - hehehe. What was that you were saying robbie - your Tundra can haul more than a Dodge one ton?? Now that's entertainment...
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    I bought 26 bags of concrete from Home Depot and I had no idea how my F-150 would handle it. So I loaded up 13, I figured I come back for the other half later, and it only squatted a little. It could have handled all 26 pretty easy. As far as driving, you couldn't tell it was back there. Heck, I think it might have made the ride BETTER. BTW, 13 bags adds up to 1040 lbs. Hmmm...maybe a Tundra could handle that, it is 40 lbs less than 1080!!! LOL!!!! Oh yeah, almost forgot, I loaded all of them right at the back, so I could get them in and out easier, so the weight had the maximum leverage.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    cadillac ride but problems

    by: ph30 (Tue Apr 25 '00)

    Pros: Smooth Quiet ride plenty of power
    Cons: bad engine, wimpy bed


    In July 1999 i traded in my trusty but tired 91' Dodge Dakota for a 1999 Chevy Silverado. I got the 4800v8,4wd automatic, a/c, tow package, no fancy stuff. I bought this truck for its very smooth ride, comfortable seats and its power. All of these features still make me glad for buying a silverado. However I should have known better not to buy one when I test drove one the transmission failed and we had to get towed back to the dealer. The salesman was good and I ended up buying Chevy anyhow.

    When I picked up this truck it was like driving home a cadillac after my previous truck. I have absolutely no complaints about the how this truck drives. It handles nice, rides smooth, quiet no wind noise, no rattily features, and smooth breaking. I also tow a 16' flatbed tandem axle trailer approximately 5000 lbs. loaded. I can honestly say this truck tows that trailer as if its not even there. Plenty of reserve power. Gas mileage is great too I average 16mpg even hauling a good load. That's it for good news.

    The payload capacity of the cargo box itself leaves a lot to be desired. the second day I had this truck I threw about 500lbs of gear in the back and was shocked to see the poor truck sag to the ground I figure its max is about 800lbs., certainly not a half ton. My old Dakota could haul twice the weight. I have helper springs on order I just hope I wont sacrifice my smooth ride.

    In December the engine occasionally began stalling after short trips at my second oil change I had the dealer look at it with no finding. The end of February I started noticing a faint rumbling somewhere in the steering.
    It slowly got worse then in March one night driving home my service engine soon light came on. I checked all the fluids, hoses, belt, gas cap etc. found no trouble. The next day I called my dealer and told them the details and they scheduled for the following monday. I dropped the truck off for monday morning they kept it until wednesday For 3 days I was without a truck in those 3 days they had several mechanics drive it look at it and put their computer on it. They found nothing wrong they did not even hear steering noise which is very noticeable now. So I got my truck back still broke all they managed to fix was to shut off the idiot light.

    Maybe when its time to trade this truck in they will have bugs worked out of this model, but I don't think its gonna last that long. I would look at the Toyota Tundra for my next vehicle!

    Purchase Price: $22,903
    Condition: New
    Model Year: 1999
    Reliability: One visit to the shop per year
    Seat Comfort: Could live in seats
    Quality & Craftsmanship: Dead quiet ride
    Ease of Loading: Very easy to load
    Model and Options: silverado 4x4 automatic

    Recommend to other potential buyers? No


    Hmmm - Shakerados have problems with hauling 500lbs? It makes sense, the Chevy Pack is more concerned about the size of the back seat. Shakerados are good for soccer moms or a couple of sacks of groceries. Too wimpy for anything else.
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    Yep, them ones aint got no haul in em. Heard many a tell bout how them big3 little ones out hauled them tundras now. They be bout the size of them big3 little ones too, use your eyes for this one. Been said before, but it bout sums it up now: tundra = less truck, more buck. This be a simple truth, that may be stingin some folks, but that truth is that truth now. Good luck on this one now!
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    Funny how some folks be makin up stuff bout them big3 ones. Guess that truth be stingin em hard now. Bama pulled that tell off that tundra.solutions board, then swapped them words Chevy and tundra, twistin the meanin as folks can plainly see. It was the toy that had no haul, and that Chevy which that folk was goin trade up too! Facts is facts, quit twistin em. Good luck on this one now!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Big - i put 30 bags of concrete (60 lbs each) in my old S-10 about 4 yrs ago. It held it made it home easily. Sagged but it did the job and its still going. Dads work truck now 90,000 mls +.

    Toy - took the truck in. Looked it over 45 minutes of listening to the engine with a stethoscope. Determined the noise was coming from the intake. No real problems just an echo. We also looked at a 2000 tahoe same engine made same noise. Its hurting nothing at all just an engine noise. No performance loss or anything

    Also got the transmission computer update. Truck seems to have more power shifts smoother and it seems quicker also.

    This truck gets better everyday.

    Ryan
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    Never mind about your trip to the shop today, I read it for myself.
    They said nothing was wrong, right? Normal noise, all Silverados sound like that! Nothing to worry about, keep on prodding those Tundra guys! You got the best 1/2 ton on the planet! The Chevy mechanic is your best friend, Mr Goodwrench!
    Gee, I've had my Tundra 10 months now and I've never even spoken to my mechanic. Hmmmmm
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    1st time its been to the service. It was more of piece of mind. The mechanic has 20 odd yrs experience. He didnt say all silverados made this noise. We did compare a tahoe and a silverado that were in the shop for unrelated reasons and they too made this faint flutter sound. He also said if gm releases any info on a related problem the service dept will notify me. He said this noise is unrelated to the ENGINE BLOCK.

    Piece of mind thats all i needed.

    I do have the best truck on the planet because "ITS MINE!!!" not because of the brand

    Ryan
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    As soon as ya start talkin bout "workin" them trucks, them tundra folks be gettin confused. Workin them tundras be that "highway haul" they be doin on that way to that grocery store now. Things like payload aint got no meanin to them folks who be fad chasin. They want to be hearin tells on how them tundra ones shine up and such. Them things is what is important to them ones who be chasin after that fad! Doin that compare between them tundras and them big3 ones is tough, cuz there aint no reference point to be startin at! This be the source of all that confusion now. Good luck on this one now!
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    Yeah, I read a lot of trash about my Explorer having a breakable 5 speed automatic, but a Ford mechanic said to have the fluid changed before 25,000 miles and it would last at least 80,000. He said without that initial change they were failing before 50,000 miles a lot. So I spent the $100 and changed it, I feel better now, but I can't tell any difference.
    An echo could be normal for that engine design, but did the mechanic put a vacuuam guage on it? It should read about 20 at idle, if lower, it could be a compression problem, (valve,head gasket,loose sparkplug,cracked piston ring, damaged piston or cylinder wall, etc. anything is possible with a new engine due to assembly). If it just started it and you are sure it didn't do it before, it is a real problem. On the other hand if you normally listen to Rock music real loud and turned it down the other day for the first time and hear this noise, it probably is normal.
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    since I'm sure you're Tim or one of the other Silverado owners in drag, but what would you know about mechanicin'? The only confusion here is whether you exist at all.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    been making the noise now for almost 4000 mls. He checked the block nothing wrong with it. He used the stethoscope to determine exactly where it was coming from it is isolated away from any of the things you talked about. He said it had something to do with the EGR valve and all that but those were fine. Im not worried havent had any problems with it since it started.

    Ryan
  • toytunonetoytunone Member Posts: 56
    a hand puppet, so I will now exit. Only to resurface later if needed.
    Hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings with my GM rants if they were posting sincerely. To each his own. BTW, to the puppetmaster who pulls Rube's strings, I have been a member of a Labor Union for 30 years, (OCAW now PACE). I believe the only way to get a better product is through competition and right now with Silverados made in Ontario, Canada and Dodges made in Saltillo, Mexico; the Indiana, USA Tundra is American-made.
  • justtheonejusttheone Member Posts: 403
    Looks like there be one dealer out there who aint blowin no smoke and be tellin it like it be:

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    Here be the link to em:
    http://www.bobbakertoyota.com/

    Good luck on this one now!
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