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Silverado - most rear seat room
2wd silverado (2000) vib problems is the major complaint.
I know my 1500 Z71 ext cab is great no major problems.
I know alot of people will start talking bad about ford (door cracks - piston slap) chevy (vibs - ping) dodge (trans) tundra (size hehe - vibs)
You have to realize it doesnt matter what model you get they all are not immune from things going wrong. Mechanical and electrical devices do fail.
Ryan
ones now? Good luck on this one now!"
Coming up on 400,000 miles on that 1978 now, Rube!
Wait a minute..."erkme73 has made 540 posts by himself, and what's this..."Chrietzberg" has made 323 posts. You mean to say 2 people account for 873 posts. I see 2 others have 40-50 posts to their credit. Hmmmm. Could Quadrunner be blowing this whole thing out of porportion? Is Quadrunner, the chevy salesman, really after the facts? Will quad's swollen prostate flare up again when he reads this? Tune in again tomorrow and learn the answers to these and other mildly unimportant questions!!
BCO - 8 posts. First of all - I'm sorry that I hurt the wittle boy's feewings. I'm still laughing! Here is a simple problem (maybe not for BCO - he can't even spell "ideological") Try your best:
If a truck manufacturer produces 100,000 trucks per year for 1.5 years, how many trucks are produced? Hint: The answer is NOT 75,000. The self-proclaimed "prof"? What a hoot! Did you really post "mr. rough nuts"? HAHAHAHAHA! If nothing else you are very entertaining!
Justtheruns - 8 posts! Shoot Fire! YEE HAWW!
All incoherent jibberish. She just doesn't get it and never will. If she really DOES have the grammar and spelling ability of a 3rd grader - maybe she really IS a third grader. She sure has me fooled if she isn't. Reminds me of the wizard of OZ scarecrow "If I only had a brain". LOL Moparbad - don't waste your time on Libby.
Ryan - 13 posts! I'm sorry I called you a mascot. I think Cheerleader fits you better.
Quad - 4 posts. I think that his truck inferiority complex has finally pushed him over the edge. All he seems to be able to do now is cut and paste articles from www.tundrasolutions.com. to the Tundra vibration topic. Why is he in the Tundra Vibration topic? Does he own a Tundra? Has he got anything constructive to add to the topic? Only Quad knows. Shakerundra? Can't Quad come up with something A LITTLE more original? I guess not.
I'm sorry that J.D. Powers and Consumer Reports beats up on little ol' GM all of the time. It's not fair! It must be all of the advertising that Toyota does with them. LOL These reports contain something that the Chevy pack abhors: Facts.
Chevy - -90% predicted reliability. (Consumer Reports)
Chevy - ranked 26th in quality (J.D. Powers)
'99 Silverado - Used Vehicle to avoid - already! (Consumer Reports)
These were the result of surveys filled out by Shakerado owners. It seems that Chevy owners in general are not very happy with their trucks. (That just isn't fair!)
Tundra: Winner of the 2000 J.D.Powers quality award for full-size pickups.
Tundra: Best predicted reliability for 2000 full size pickups. This is based on Consumer Reports surveys filled out by Tundra owners in '99. I wonder where all the dissatisfied Tundra owners went?
Check out Toyota Tundra - Recent Buyers - Vibration Pbm? (Topic #2038) as Timothy Davis suggested. Virtually all of the posts to that topic are by Chevy owners! In four months, there has been only one poster who owns a Tundra with a vibration problem. Where are the hordes of Tundra owners having vibraton problems?
Now look at the Chevy vibration topics at Edmund's - over 2600 posts so far this year. Not one by a Tundra owner! It seems that Chevy has a far more severe problem. I could spend the next few months copying and pasting negative Chevy posts like BCO and Quad are fond of doing, but - as I have said before - what is the point?
GO to http://agmlemon.freeservers.com/ - check it out for yourselves. I don't feel a need to copy and paste all of the posts here. I am willing to bet that most people will be able to follow links and find the articles for themselves. Why clog up the bandwidth of this site?
Although there are certainly vibrating Tundras out there, they are relatively few. They are so few that the Chevy pack has to go to other sites to find negative posts. Hmmm - I don't have to go to other sites to find negative Chevy posts. What is the deal?
Could it be that the Chevy packers are taking a small Tundra vibration problem and trying to make it look big?
This is a concept that is beyond the understanding of the Chevy pack - that if you want to maximize your chance of having an unreliable, low quality heap - you need go no further than your local Chevy dealer.
Chev pack - try as you will - you will never be able to make the Chevy into a Toyota. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Bama who has way to much free time? Counting everones posts???
RAH RAH
Ryan
"If a truck manufacturer produces 100,000 trucks
per year for 1.5 years, how many trucks are
produced? Hint: The answer is NOT 75,000."
you are correct, sir. congratulations. NOW here's one for you:
if a truck maker produces 150,000 trucks and only 77k are sold, what does that (51.3% of those produced are sold) tell you about what folks are thinkin' 'bout old jd powers now??? LOL...c'mon back with all your broken record wonders...guess what? john q. public ain't buying it...literally!!! LOL!
bco
just remember where you read it first...
bco
by the way, through 13 pages of tundra vibes, i've got...33 DIFFERENT folks complaining of some sort of vibe that wasn't fixed by a good wheel balance (which is why i DON'T count you in this tally)...
bco
Excellent posts Moparbad. All the points you made were valid especially the horsepower bit. Are you a Mopar fan or not? I get the impression you are pretty fond of Toyotas. This is good, don't get me wrong.
Bamatundra, I have seen your posts before and, as usual, you offer more than enough to digest. Good work on pulling on those statistics and information. Of course, you realize that the chevy guys are going to simply dismiss all of it by saying you have too much time on your hands and other assorted excuses.
It's a dying cause to try to make a valid point with the so-called "American" guys. They see things from only one perspective whereas most toyota buyers are more objective and have owned chevrolet or chrysler products and made the switch because of their experiences. I have met or read of few chevy or dodge fans who have even test-driven a toyota product. Their fear of being labeled a "wuss" or "rice burner" most likely has kept them from even nearing a toyota dealership.
I was raised on ford trucks, which are great and generally reliable (small problems here and there), but I just don't have a need for a full-size truck, and my family has owned GM trucks and dodge rams which have exhibited less than admirable qualities, mainly those which tended to strand us on the side of the highway. I can't understand why chevy owners can't just be honest, at least, about their products. They can ignore all the stats, write off J.D. So and So, but they cannot ignore proven chevrolet or chrysler experience. I don't have a problem with them snatching up 7 or 800,000 silverados, but to just hear one of them own up to their truck's shortcomings is never going to happen.
This will be my final post. I realize I have only made a few, but in that time I have been so berrated (sorry, might have misspelled that one) that I am really discouraged from making any further arguments. I'll continue to read the other posts from time to time and might jump in on one at a later date, but I suspect that will be much later.
Good luck to all the toyota owners out there and don't let the GM and chrysler guys and gals get you down. Make choices with what's between your ears and not with what's in your pants, and you'll always come out ahead.
Use your eyes on this one now. And if you don't believe your eyes because toyota told you different, then use your butt and try getting in and out of thes trucks. Perhaps its you that hasn't tested the competition?
I dont hate the tundra by no means. I have driven it and it doesnt suit me. My stance is that toyota people (trust me i have a few in my family) think their vehicles are so perfect and nothing ever goes wrong. But in my grandpas case for the first time something did go wrong ewith his camry very bad vib problems which were fixed. he has since stopped talking "trash" about gm. He does like my truck. Thinks my seats are just like his lazyboy.
So you can see im not anit tundra just trying to get across some reality in that NO VEHICLE is perfect and problems do occur.
Ryan
Ratboy you are very objective
I sincerely feel sorry for them.
First they have to put up with the problem, then they have to endure snickering from the peanut gallery.
http://agmlemon.freeservers.com/ -
I like talking trucks also. BCO had a cut and paste fetish awhile back, but stopped after I showed him how annoying it was to take up huge chunks of space repeating info (just post a link and let the reader decide if they want to go there).
Now all quad does is cut and paste. Needless to say, I scroll past any posts with his name. I try to inteject some humor from time to time and wouldn't make fun of you (head bobbin' like a toy dog) if I didn't think you were an alright guy. I think Ratboy and yourself are the only real examples of civility on this topic.
LOL
bco
rwellbaum2: I know that it is easy to take all of this bickering... er, I mean, debating... personally. But you and bco should try to back off of it. Read the first paragraph of your #650 again and I think you might recognize a tone and attitude that isn't really mature.
Also, I am somewhat chagrined to have been left out of your list of those who you consider "the only real examples of civility on this topic." I will however, survive, I think....
6.6l ls1 based motor, 6 sp manual tranny, 480 hp, 475 lb-ft torque. Might have a tundra killer here...
full story here:
http://www.gmextreme.com/pressreleases/c001025m.shtml
bco
And the thing has NO ground clearance, it would bottom out on the first furrow it hit when you tried to plow the field with it. Libby can't see through the tinted glass - but it better have a rifle rack - those should not be optional.
Now 485 horses would certainly get ya to the feedstore quick - but how are you gonna load it? The thing looks like it has a covered bed. And the thing has no rear door handles! How are Libby's buddies gonna figure out how to get in it?
And those tires! They have absolutely no tread! This thing would get stuck in the first muddy field that you tried to drive it through!
How the heck are you supposed to get a real load of tobacky in it? The suspension looks like it is already bottomed out empty!
Libby barely got her three speed tranny figured out - how the heck is she supposed to learn six speeds? And the horsepower peak is at 6000 RPM. Can you imagine libby trying to plow her field at 6000 rpm?
I don't know Oby - it looks like ya can't work it hard like libby's '52.
How about a manure spreader accessory for the bed?
Ryan
Don't worry if your engine knocks cold, it's normal. One MILLION!
I hear that Chevy is claiming it is normal for an engine to knock! They are refusing to repair it! Remember - it is NORMAL! Chevy execs are chuckling all the way to the bank.
And why won't Silverados run on regular gas? It gets expensive always running premium. I hear it is because ran the gearing too high, the ignition too advanced and the mixture too lean in order to increase gas mileage for the EPA testing.
I don't know about you but I will take a 1mpg hit to be able to run regular gas without knocking. Sheesh!
I got 19.5 mpg the last road trip I took in my V8 Access cab 4X4 SR5 Tundra. This was going 75 to 80 mph almost the entire way. I have run regular for almost a year without a single knock.
DOHC engines with 4 Valves/ cylinder allow a more efficient combustion chamber design. This allows a higher compression ratio without knocking.
Ryan
you dont see reality often do u???
Ryan
When a full size truck pulls along side, he does.
Unfortunately, your poor memory, and Bama's poor math skills illustrate why you two goofs can't be the same personality, despite others who think you are joined at the hip.
You know you want the Tundra. That is why you spend all of your time in Tundra Solutions. Just unload that Lemonado now.
Um how do you define work here? Going to the local Seven Eleven to get a coffee??? Or going to pick up some groceries at the local supermarket?
Ryan
Ill tell you what i have hauled in the back of my silverado
1st summer project: pool deck
25 bags of concrete, 4x4's, 40 deck boards, and other misc. boards
2nd project
Shed - plywood, 2x4's and a bunch of other stuff
3rd project
Fence - fence panels in the back - 30 bags concrete, 15 4x4's
4th project ( i have no part in just picking materials up cause my cousins truck isnt big enough)
Roof - 48 bundles of shingles first trip and 10 the second and roofing felt.
5th project- ongoing through the winter
basement remodel - drywall, 2x4's and more stuff to come
Im not saying your truck couldnt do all this but do you or have you? Im curious.
Ryan
Ryan
bco