the following is an excerpt from quad's dialogue post. it is a quote from an objective tundra owner. yes, there is such a thing folks...read:
"I get the impression that there are Tundra owners out there that don't want to hear anything negative at all about the Tundra and are offended by that negativity. These people are in a kind of Tundra disneyland and don't want to be disturbed. The Tundra is a machine that has and will have problems. A machine, not your slice of the American dream. Not your little oasis of happiness. I'm sorry if fd's problems are an inconvenience to you mentally, but get real. He's getting screwed and you may be next. Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra. Believe me, the shakers are out there, you may be next and Toyota could fix it if they wanted to. Marc"
What about them knocking rods on '99 and '00 Silverados. Chevy has admitted to a cold start knock - in fact they are making it a sales feature for the '01s. Mismachined crankshafts? And it took Chev 2 years of production to address this problem?
Why do you say this post is objective? You posted it out of context.
Here is a recap: A poster said that ALL Tundras vibrate. Another poster reminded them that not all Tundras vibrate. He did not say that no Tundras vibrate. The excerpt you posted is the response.
BCO and Quad - Don't you guys have a brain? This is not a mirror site for Tundra Solutions. If you want to refer people there - fine.
This is why only links should be posted - because these poor unfortunate Shakerado owners are posting excerpts out of context and totally twisting the meaning.
thx Ryan.. about hauling.. I have used my truck twice to help a couple of friends move.. got the biggest U-haul trailer.. I have no scale so I don't really know how much weight I put on.. the truck.. hehe.. I have yet to get a call from a 'friend' who remembers me when he wants to take both his boats to the lake.. used to tow one of his boats with my Tacoma.. it'd be interesting to know how the Tundra handles a wet ramp.. I never understood what limited slip before.. it's like before Wile E. Coyote found out what gravity was.. he just walked off cliffs and be fine..
Hopefully ill get a boat next yr. My mom and borther went to gurnee mills (big mall) yesterday. They have a bass pro shops store huge store. Well my brother found the perfect boat. A 20K nitro bass boat. Black and blue with a blue trailer. I guess i need yet another job
What? nah if i wanted an expensive boat id get a nitro for sure. My neighbor used to have one and it was awesome very fast. Ill probably settle for a 5K bass tracker.
nor is it a mirror for jd powers, motor trend and all your other favorite comic books.
and now, for a page out of bama's playbook of posting. the technique: keep cutting and pasting the same thing over and over again. why? we're not really sure. oh, and then blast others for wasting bandwidth so as to come across as a hypocrite.
bama, the following quote says nothing about vibrating (except the last sentence, but that sentence is pretty irrelevant to my point). it's about people who take their trucks too seriously. like...you. or rwell. especially: "Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra." yes, you. so, you wanna tell me how it's out of context? and hey, answer ryan's question...what have you hauled, besides groceries and kiddies? and my question...how are the rides??? LOL
"I get the impression that there are Tundra owners out there that don't want to hear anything negative at all about the Tundra and are offended by that negativity. These people are in a kind of Tundra disneyland and don't want to be disturbed. The Tundra is a machine that has and will have problems. A machine, not your slice of the American dream. Not your little oasis of happiness. I'm sorry if fd's problems are an inconvenience to you mentally, but get real. He's getting screwed and you may be next. Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra. Believe me, the shakers are out there, you may be next and Toyota could fix it if they wanted to. Marc"
yes, it's mine. yes, it's black (over silver), and actually, it's one of the first four doors made. that was one of the things i waited on oh so long ago (or so it seems).
I was looking at a new Ford with the four regular doors. I think this is a better way to go if you can keep the same box length but not add too much overall length. Seems the original crew cab style is still the best. The type of doors on the Tundra trap you when opening them beside another close car or in the garage/carport. Also, it seems that the overall intergrity of the cab would/could be/is strenghtened with B-pillars. The problem with a big cab/short box is, it's basically an SUV with the back roof missing. Once you add a topper, your back to square one (SUV)
I like the Ford Crew Cab F-150 with the shorter box (4.5'?). Interesting that Chevy and Dodge are keeping the 6.5' bed - to long for my taste, but GM was working on 4 wheel steering which would help. Does Toyota have a crew cab in the works? Besides the Tacoma...
about sales numbers. Ford F-series have been the number one selling light truck for quite a while now. It is traditional that it takes two years from initial design to production for a new style vehicle. The F-150 was redesigned in '97, and the near look alike Tundra came out in '99 (duh!). It would appear that Toyota was trying to capitalize on the popularity of Ford, however, Ford trumped them with the new Super Duty. Ford reports that 40 % of their sales are Super Duty, and I (an admitted GM fan) think a lot of would be F-150 buyers bought the F-250 Super Duty because it is, in my not so humble opinion, the best looking truck out there. Toyota goofed and copied the wrong truck.
The truck pictures that Libby(justtheruns) has been pawning off as hers are actually copied from another website.
She has absolutely no idea what that truck has been doing for 48 years. As far as she knows - it blew its engine the first year and has been sitting in that same spot for the last 47. Here is the link:
Ya best be askin Donny where he got them pictures from now. Once ya get this knowin, ya be havin the real truth on it. Be like some folks too be jumpin to this or that, without all the knowin on it. Good luck on this one now!
i agree with you on the four doors when parked close to another vehicle. can be a pain for sure. but...if you're like me, you don't like parking next to morons who will ding the side of your truck with their doors. so...you park a little farther away, leaving room on either side of you, and hoping that no one crowds you. sometimes it's inevitible, but you can always try. i also agree about the 4 regular doors, but wouldn't want to sacrifice the bed space either.
The post which you cut and pasted just the bottom of was meant for Tundra owners who will not admit that there are problems with Tundras. Read the following post by me made to this topic last Sunday:
Toyota Tundra - Recent Buyers - Vibration Pbm? (Topic #2038)
The truth is that there are vibrating Tundras - no doubt. No truck is perfect. If you visit Tundra Solutions you will find that there are a few very vocal posters with this problem. I don't blame them - if I had a truck that vibrated - I would be raising hell also. Most of the problems have turned out to be related to out of balance tires or rims.
How widespread is this problem? Well one person at Tundra Solutions is a salesperson who claims that out of 111 Tundras she has sold - 1 of them vibrated. I believe her. Her name is Dianne - read some of her posts for yourself.
I bought a Toyota because of their track record. J.D Powers ranks Toyota in a tie for third with BMW for quality. Chevy ranked 26th.
The Tundra won the 2000 J.D Powers award for initial quality. That's right - the best.
The Tundra is already rated by Consumer Reports as better than average predicted reliability.
The Chevy ranked -90%(Off of their charts). Consumer reports has already ranked the '99 Silverado as a used vehicle to avoid. The 4wheel drive is related even less reliable (if that is possible) The 2000 can't be far behind. These results are the result of owner surveys.
Take a look at the posts to this topic. Only one Tundra owner with a vibration problem has posted here in 4 months. This topic would have died months ago if envious Chevy owners weren't posting here."
Here is another post made to the same topic:
"Isn't it ironic that more Chevy Shakerado owners post to a Tundra VIbration topic than Tundra owners? I call it truck inferiority complex (TIC). Quad has a raging case of it.
Why has there only been 1 post in this topic in 4 months by a Tundra owner with a vibration problem?
Why has there been over 2500 posts about vibration for GM pickups since the start of this year? Seems like you guys have a major problem. It seems you would be spending your time better by trying to help fellow Shakerado owners.
I don't spend my time in Chevy vibration topics making a pest of myself - why don't you show the same consideration? Is your case of TIC that bad?"
Seems like I admitted Tundras had problems. So what is your and Quad's problems with reality?
I want to see you and Quad admit that Chevy produced two years production of trucks with mismachined crankshafts causing cold start knock. I got this from Chevy - they are making it a sales feature that the '01 trucks don't have this feature. A perfect example of Chevy quality (or lack thereof).
Hey - if you guys want to ignore quality and reliability and get a big back seat, great. It is all a matter of what is important to you - I chose quality.
Bco - You and Quad are going to have to take those Chevy blinders off before you go on your Disneyland trip - they don't allow them on the rides. LOL
Took a long trip this weekend. Seen countless number of dodge ford and chevy trucks. On the other hand i could count on 1 hand how many tundras i seen. 3
If you are interested in QC, you may want to check out the Deming Award. Read up on it and see where Toyota stands and if they have won any awards lately. JD Powers....who are they? Are they important in a truck buying decision? I would look closely at the Deming award before JD Powers....
for the Tundra in 2001? I'll be checking out the southern states the next couple of weeks to see if any Tundras are working down there. I doubt that I will see very many unless a I go to 'bama! Maybe I'll look more closely at the Penske auto centers to see if there are any Tundras there getting those vibrations smoothed out. Ryan do you think Menards would buy a Tundra to use in their paint department? They could use it to shake up the paint, in small batches of course!
Does more sold=better product? Toyota has sold as many Tundras as they produced. They had some $1500 off MSRP, incentives to move the few remaining 2000 models for about a month. Those good deals on 2000 models are gone and they are selling the 2001's. Meanwhile, the chevy dealers are slashing prices below invoice to move their surplus of Silverados. Of course, I live in Califoria (the Yuppies and horse ranchers heaven)and Silverados aren't as popular as they are back east, amongst the kin-folk.
Went flying at Ed Levin Park in Milpitas, CA this saturday. We all drove up in a 1996 Tahoe 4X4. 4 of us skinny-hipped guys squeezed into the back seat. What's amazing is I've had 4 pilots in the back of my Tundra before. No, they didn't have as much legroom, but hey it was a free ride
i didnt mention 2 of the 3 tundras i seen were driven by women (solo no others in the truck).
Also GOTRIBE doesnt have a shaker. Some of us dont have time to change our profiles.
Ive had 5 people (not safe but i had to) in the back of my silverado. All but 1 had enough leg room.
Hey RWELL how come your buddy bama hasnt replied to my "what do you haul in your tundra" post?
Oh yea you can add something to my list this weekend went on a trip and had about 1000lbs of tools and equipment (not including people) to close our summer cabin down for the winter. Got about 15mpg this was about 50% highway 50% city. Seen a bunch of 1500 2wd silverados with 5th wheels too.
Dont be disappointed its not like what it seems. What gets me is i ask bama a legit question and all he did was post the same thing about jd power on and on and on. You and ratboy did reply to my post. I am beginning to think bama doesnt even own a truck.
6 in the back of a ford???
My point about women drivers: More than half (probably 2/3's) of the tundras i see are driven by women im just stating what i see around my parts.
You know what i did like about the Tundras? All 3 i seen this weekend had fender flares. I guess they cant be all that bad then. But whats up with the purple color?
bama...let me see if i can answer all your questions. (something i'm sure you have trouble comprehending, as you rarely answer the questions of others)
1. i gave up reading tundra vibes long ago...better information on tundra solutions. 2. why did you post another copy of your whole post over there when all you needed to do was post the link? i thought you were oh-so concerned about bandwidth? 3. i WOULD admit to you about the mismachined crankshafts if i had heard about anywhere else besides you. i have not. and it's not due to "wearing blinders" as you would say. i make a continuous effort to stay abreast of any major announcements regarding my truck. i've not heard word one about this so-called problem from anyone but you... 4. reference the -90% CR rating on the 99 'rado...what basis do you have for claiming the "2000 can't be far behind". none? oh...good, thanks for your input. 5. jd powers...to me, initial quality means zilch. come see me in 5 years, 10 years, 15. if yours is still running and mine isn't, i'll switch. 6. 2500 posts about vibrations...i'd have to check, but i'm sure there's some peripheral discussion going on there. just like the vibe topic in TS. 7. "Seems like I admitted Tundras had problems. So what is your and Quad's problems with reality?" i can't speak for quad...but i've never had a problem admitting some chevy's have problems. matter of fact, it's usually me telling you that the reasons fewer tundras have problems is that fewer tundras are produced. it's all about the ratio. 8. "Hey - if you guys want to ignore quality and reliability and get a big back seat, great." yet more proof of your ignorance. back seat is nice. so is the better gas mileage, more payload capacity, more towing capacity and better safety features...just for starters...
nice trucks.. nice pictures.. one thing I'd like to know.. the nerf bars.. do they install without drilling? are they the same nerf bars found at Pepboys?
not sure who you're asking. mine are westin cps. yes, they install without drilling. yes, you can get them at pep boys around here. they run about $350 (self-installed). you can see them at www.westinautomotive.com
I see women driving Silverado, F-150s and Dodge ram diesels and 18 wheelers, I think it's great! I'm not sure why you'd bring it up as anything important, one way or the other? Fender flares: I don't like them. I think it looks better to have the outer edge of the tire and the outer edge of the fender about the same width. Purple color: Paint the underside green and it's the Barneymobile!!
one other thing...reference number 5 in my previous post (#786).
i mean it, i would switch. would you? i'm guessing the answer is no, because if your tundra failed, it would just be a "glitch". an accident. a "whoopsie". i guarantee you, if my 'rado craps out at 50k and chevy or gm can't/won't help me, i'll make it very clear to them that i'll find someone who can.
if i were a betting man, i'm thinking you'd stick with toyota, "hoping" that you didn't get another bad one. just like rob is "hoping" he never has to get his tires rotated and balanced again...
Rotating and balancing your tires is important for tire life. I rotate the tires myself. If the next time I rotate them, they feel even slightly off, I'll have them balanced. Actually, I'd be suprised if the rear tires wern't out-of-balance after locking them up in reverse at 55 MPH!! I'll let you know, next time I rotate.
the cheapest and best bumber is strapping old tires to your front and back. A railroad tie is another way to go for a more cosmetically pleasing appearance. I heard from Rube that chevy owners strap old Toyota trucks to there bumpers to protect their vehicles.
Just to make sure it's perfectly clear. The tire imbalance I experienced on the front caused a very slight shimmy in the steering wheel. I think a true vibration would be the result of engine, driveline, exhaust, etc. Some people may be confusing vibration with steering shimmy.
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"I get the impression that there are Tundra owners out there that don't want to hear anything negative at all about the Tundra and are offended by that negativity. These people are in a kind of Tundra disneyland and don't want to be disturbed. The Tundra is a machine that has and will have
problems. A machine, not your slice of the American dream. Not your little oasis of happiness. I'm sorry if fd's problems are an inconvenience to you mentally, but get real. He's getting screwed and you may be next. Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra. Believe me, the shakers are out there, you may be next and Toyota could fix it if they wanted to. Marc"
bco
LOLOLOL!!!
bco
Bama still no reply
darnit
Ryan
Here is a recap: A poster said that ALL Tundras vibrate. Another poster reminded them that not all Tundras vibrate. He did not say that no Tundras vibrate. The excerpt you posted is the response.
BCO and Quad - Don't you guys have a brain? This is not a mirror site for Tundra Solutions. If you want to refer people there - fine.
This is why only links should be posted - because these poor unfortunate Shakerado owners are posting excerpts out of context and totally twisting the meaning.
Ryan
I have yet to get a call from a 'friend' who remembers me when he wants to take both his boats to the lake.. used to tow one of his boats with my Tacoma.. it'd be interesting to know how the Tundra handles a wet ramp.. I never understood what limited slip before.. it's like before Wile E. Coyote found out what gravity was.. he just walked off cliffs and be fine..
Ryan
Ryan
and now, for a page out of bama's playbook of posting. the technique: keep cutting and pasting the same thing over and over again. why? we're not really sure. oh, and then blast others for wasting bandwidth so as to come across as a hypocrite.
bama, the following quote says nothing about vibrating (except the last sentence, but that sentence is pretty irrelevant to my point). it's about people who take their trucks too seriously. like...you. or rwell. especially: "Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra." yes, you. so, you wanna tell me how it's out of context? and hey, answer ryan's question...what have you hauled, besides groceries and kiddies? and my question...how are the rides??? LOL
"I get the impression that there are Tundra owners
out there that don't want to hear anything
negative at all about the Tundra and are offended
by that negativity. These people are in a kind of
Tundra disneyland and don't want to be disturbed.
The Tundra is a machine that has and will have
problems. A machine, not your slice of the
American dream. Not your little oasis of happiness. I'm sorry if fd's problems are an inconvenience to you mentally, but get real. He's getting screwed and you may be next. Separate your mentality from reality regarding the Tundra. Believe me, the shakers are out there, you may be next and Toyota could fix it if they wanted to. Marc"
bco
good weekend all (even the tundrats)
bco
If ya chasin that fad, get ya that limited one. If ya plannin on workin that truck, get ya a big3 one now. Good luck on this one now!
Harry
She has absolutely no idea what that truck has been doing for 48 years. As far as she knows - it blew its engine the first year and has been sitting in that same spot for the last 47. Here is the link:
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/history/chev_segment5.html
This makes me wonder if she even has a '52.
i agree with you on the four doors when parked close to another vehicle. can be a pain for sure. but...if you're like me, you don't like parking next to morons who will ding the side of your truck with their doors. so...you park a little farther away, leaving room on either side of you, and hoping that no one crowds you. sometimes it's inevitible, but you can always try. i also agree about the 4 regular doors, but wouldn't want to sacrifice the bed space either.
bco
The post which you cut and pasted just the bottom of was meant for Tundra owners who will not admit that there are problems with Tundras. Read the following post by me made to this topic last Sunday:
Toyota Tundra - Recent Buyers - Vibration Pbm? (Topic #2038)
The truth is that there are vibrating Tundras - no
doubt. No truck is perfect. If you visit Tundra
Solutions you will find that there are a few very
vocal posters with this problem. I don't blame
them - if I had a truck that vibrated - I would be
raising hell also. Most of the problems have
turned out to be related to out of balance tires or
rims.
How widespread is this problem? Well one person
at Tundra Solutions is a salesperson who claims
that out of 111 Tundras she has sold - 1 of them
vibrated. I believe her. Her name is Dianne -
read some of her posts for yourself.
I bought a Toyota because of their track record.
J.D Powers ranks Toyota in a tie for third with BMW
for quality. Chevy ranked 26th.
The Tundra won the 2000 J.D Powers award for
initial quality. That's right - the best.
The Tundra is already rated by Consumer Reports as
better than average predicted reliability.
The Chevy ranked -90%(Off of their charts).
Consumer reports has already ranked the '99
Silverado as a used vehicle to avoid. The 4wheel
drive is related even less reliable (if that is
possible) The 2000 can't be far behind. These
results are the result of owner surveys.
Take a look at the posts to this topic. Only one
Tundra owner with a vibration problem has posted
here in 4 months. This topic would have died
months ago if envious Chevy owners weren't posting
here."
Here is another post made to the same topic:
"Isn't it ironic that more Chevy Shakerado owners
post to a Tundra VIbration topic than Tundra
owners? I call it truck inferiority complex (TIC).
Quad has a raging case of it.
Why has there only been 1 post in this topic in 4
months by a Tundra owner with a vibration problem?
Why has there been over 2500 posts about vibration
for GM pickups since the start of this year?
Seems like you guys have a major problem. It seems
you would be spending your time better by trying
to help fellow Shakerado owners.
I don't spend my time in Chevy vibration topics
making a pest of myself - why don't you show the
same consideration? Is your case of TIC that bad?"
Seems like I admitted Tundras had problems. So what is your and Quad's problems with reality?
I want to see you and Quad admit that Chevy produced two years production of trucks with mismachined crankshafts causing cold start knock. I got this from Chevy - they are making it a sales feature that the '01 trucks don't have this feature. A perfect example of Chevy quality (or lack thereof).
Hey - if you guys want to ignore quality and reliability and get a big back seat, great. It is all a matter of what is important to you - I chose quality.
Bco - You and Quad are going to have to take those Chevy blinders off before you go on your Disneyland trip - they don't allow them on the rides. LOL
Ryan
Ryan
Also GOTRIBE doesnt have a shaker. Some of us dont have time to change our profiles.
Ive had 5 people (not safe but i had to) in the back of my silverado. All but 1 had enough leg room.
Hey RWELL how come your buddy bama hasnt replied to my "what do you haul in your tundra" post?
Oh yea you can add something to my list this weekend went on a trip and had about 1000lbs of tools and equipment (not including people) to close our summer cabin down for the winter. Got about 15mpg this was about 50% highway 50% city. Seen a bunch of 1500 2wd silverados with 5th wheels too.
Ryan
What's your point about women drivers???
You had 5 in your back seat...that's nothing, I hear the Ford f-150 guys can put 6 in back with plenty of legroom.
Why would I know about Bama responding to you or not???
As you can tell, I'm disappointed in you Ryan,your a better person than your last few posts would imply.
6 in the back of a ford???
My point about women drivers: More than half (probably 2/3's) of the tundras i see are driven by women im just stating what i see around my parts.
You know what i did like about the Tundras? All 3 i seen this weekend had fender flares. I guess they cant be all that bad then. But whats up with the purple color?
Ryan
1. i gave up reading tundra vibes long ago...better information on tundra solutions.
2. why did you post another copy of your whole post over there when all you needed to do was post the link? i thought you were oh-so concerned about bandwidth?
3. i WOULD admit to you about the mismachined crankshafts if i had heard about anywhere else besides you. i have not. and it's not due to "wearing blinders" as you would say. i make a continuous effort to stay abreast of any major announcements regarding my truck. i've not heard word one about this so-called problem from anyone but you...
4. reference the -90% CR rating on the 99 'rado...what basis do you have for claiming the "2000 can't be far behind". none? oh...good, thanks for your input.
5. jd powers...to me, initial quality means zilch. come see me in 5 years, 10 years, 15. if yours is still running and mine isn't, i'll switch.
6. 2500 posts about vibrations...i'd have to check, but i'm sure there's some peripheral discussion going on there. just like the vibe topic in TS.
7. "Seems like I admitted Tundras had problems. So what is your and Quad's problems with reality?"
i can't speak for quad...but i've never had a problem admitting some chevy's have problems. matter of fact, it's usually me telling you that the reasons fewer tundras have problems is that fewer tundras are produced. it's all about the ratio.
8. "Hey - if you guys want to ignore quality and
reliability and get a big back seat, great."
yet more proof of your ignorance. back seat is nice. so is the better gas mileage, more payload capacity, more towing capacity and better safety features...just for starters...
bco
bco
i mean it, i would switch. would you? i'm guessing the answer is no, because if your tundra failed, it would just be a "glitch". an accident. a "whoopsie". i guarantee you, if my 'rado craps out at 50k and chevy or gm can't/won't help me, i'll make it very clear to them that i'll find someone who can.
if i were a betting man, i'm thinking you'd stick with toyota, "hoping" that you didn't get another bad one. just like rob is "hoping" he never has to get his tires rotated and balanced again...
bco
"just like rob is "hoping" he never has to get his tires rotated and balanced due to a vibration problem again..."
my apologies for any confusion.
bco