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head going up/down like them little toy dogs."
Dude, if Ryan was doing that I don't eeeeven want to know where red, Tim and oby were!!!!
.....on a need to know basis......and I don't need to know!
LOL
- Tim
Its a shame that the Chevy pack chose their runt(BCO)to be their spokesmutt. Doesn't even know what ideological means or how to spell it. As bugs would say: "What a maroon!" I guess Libby is the team cheerleader. Ryan is the mascot. Quad just wants to follow the pack.(It makes him feel important.) Swo is BCO's designated yes man.
You found some negative posts about the Tundra. How shocking! I guess that out of 150,000 Tundra owners you found some unhappy ones. Amazing!
Now what was your point? Does this information magically make your shakerado less of a heap? I don't think so.
I guess I must state some indisputable facts again. I don't expect Libby or Ryan to understand these points - in fact I am probably wasting time on the whole Chevy Pack. Chevy had your number and still does. Chevy could put a bowtie on a turd and the pack would say it is the best thing since sliced bread.
1. The Tundra won the J.D. Powers award for best initial quality in a full-size pickup.
2. J.D Powers ranks Chevy as a manufacturer 26th in quality (Hyundai will pass them soon). Toyota is in a tie for third with BMW.
3. Consumer Reports predicted reliability for the 2000 Silverado was -90%. Off of their charts! The 4WD version is even worse! Tundra had the best predicted reliability. This is based on surveys filled out by owners of the trucks in question. Where were all of the unhappy Tundra owners when these surveys were filled out?
4. The '99 Silverado is already rated as a used vehicle to avoid by Consumer Reports. Good Luck, Quad on unloading that LEMONADO of yours. And your warranty is up! Who is going to pay for all of the major repairs now? My suggestion - get rid of that POS quick and get a real truck - a Tundra. You have to get over that raging case of tic (truck inferiority complex) of yours and come back to reality. Your Lemonado was built a heap and will remain a heap.
5. Libby doesn't know her '52 Chev from a hole in the ground. It IS a much better truck than the current Chevs however. She should trade the '52 on a truck she can work - the Tundra. She should know that you can't work a truck that is in the shop most of the time like the current chevies.
6. GM sales are declining. They are losing market share. The word is out. There is a limit to how many gullible purchasers they can sucker into buying Chevies. Toyota sales are better than ever. I wonder why?
Now, as much as you Chev packers want the Shakerado to be a Toyota - it ain't gonna happen. The shakerado is expensive junk. Face the facts.
to know where red, Tim and oby were!!!!"
Well, I forgot about them! Seems I remember them sitting on each side of Ryan (that Silverado back seat is like a huge, cavernous loveseat)
haha toyota sales better than ever this may be true but but whats the ratio of silverados to tundras being sold? I rest my case. Plain as day
Ryan
Ryan
This has been the BEST VEHICLE we have
ever owned. The ride is unsurpassed, the quality
and beauty of the Truck is verified by the number
of people who go out of their way to tell us "how
pretty our truck is"
Yep, that be explainin why them limited ones be ratin so high on that JD one for sure. Them that work a truck aint got no time for its shine. They aint got no time for no JD Power one now. They just work em hard, they aint doin no "highway" haul with em. If chasin that fad, get ya a limited one, if ya goin work that truck, get ya a big3 one for sure. Thats the fact on that one, dont let no yuppie tell ya otherwise. Dont be gettin tricked by that shine, get ya a big3 one now. Good luck on this one now!
ever owned. The ride is unsurpassed i beleive this and most would for whatever brand vehicle they have. Who acutally fills those darn surveys out anyways. Most discard them cause they mean nothing.
So whats the ratio chevy silverado 1500 (ill limit it to that to make it fair) to toyota tundra any answers???
Ryan
Ryan
Ryan
Testing a truck should have different criteria than test a car or dishwasher. Reading thier tests (and I have), one gets the distinct impression that they don't have a clue as to why a person buys a truck or how a person uses a truck.
as I've said before...come on over to my site if ya wanna let it hit the fan.....
...but we know Tundra fans have never been that brave..
..as said before....i will put any Toy against any Chevy..
- Tim
"The toyota rides like a car and how do you
think it handles when you put over a 1,000 pounds
in the back or 2,000 pounds? Right, no suspension."
just ask the tundra owner who bottomed out rolling over speedbumps at home depot with a measly 1,080 pounds in the bed! LOL! there's your smooth ride for you!!!
bco
bco
Top Three Vehicles Per Segment
Car Segments Truck Segments
Compact Pickup
Best: Mazda B-Series
GMC Sonoma
Chevrolet S-10 Pickup
Fullsize Pickup
Toyota Tundra
Ford F-150 Light Duty
Ford F-250 Super Duty
Mini Sport Utility Vehicle
Best: Honda CR-V
Toyota RAV4
Subaru Forester
Sport Utility Vehicle
Nissan Pathfinder
Mercury Mountaineer
Toyota 4Runner
Fullsize Sport Utility Vehicle
Best: Toyota Land Cruiser
Ford Expedition
Chevrolet Suburban GMT800
Luxury Sport Utility Vehicle
Lexus LX 470
Infiniti QX4
Lexus RX 300
Compact Van
Toyota Sienna
Plymouth Voyager
Dodge Caravan
bco
Also the S-10 is too. The bed length of the S-10 is real small. I beleive off the top of my head its 4.5 ft.
They will be coming out soon.
Ryan
Ryan
Quote:
"and I can't believe anyone would fault the
Tundra because it only tows 2-300 lbs less than a
similarly equipped (that reads "larger engine
having") big-three truck."
Seems to me the GM trucks can tow around 1900 lbs. more than the Toy and the Ford has about a 1300 lbs. advantage.
Your quality statement has always baffled me when spouted by other Toy owners. My favorite quotes have been, "Sure, the bed of my truck has disintergrated from rust but the engine sure purrs like a kitten." Or this quote, "So what if my truck blew a had gasket, at least Toy fixed it and gave me an extended warranty."
My friend's T-100 caught on fire for an unknown reason. Toy denied anything was wrong. There's a similar post here where someone's Toy did the same thing. The difference is(we're back to math again.) is if Ford and GM sell 15 to 20 trucks to Toys 1, there will be 15 to 20 times more problems reported.
let's see, staying in the "cooler heads" theme, here we go.
1. some feel that the big 3 vs. toyota is america vs. "the [non-permissible content removed]" as you would say, but those that know realize it's not. tundra is made in america and while it is japanese owned, dodge is german owned, so how's that any better?
2. i'm fascinated how you can write off toyotas flaws, but hold others' flaws against them. hmmm, you didn't mention blind brand loyalty, so i'll throw that one at you to chew on.
3. you state: "the Tundra will suffice in any
chore and last much longer doing them" - you make this statement based off of it's whole one year of existence? the very next sentence you state: "I keep seeing J.D. power thrown around as if getting through the first 3 months of ownership troublefree is anything to brag about." duh, what do you think we've BEEN saying?
4. you ask how we can fault tundra for "towing 2-300 pounds less than a similarly equipped (that reads "larger engine having") big-three truck." but then turn around and tell us how "it puts comparable (4.8L Chevy, 5.2L Dodge, 4.6L Ford)"American" engines to shame in work ability". hmmm...so which is it? are we comparing the "larger engine having" or the smaller engine having? the one that you feel best matches different arguments?
i have a question for you. let's assume i have a 4.8L chevy. you can out-tow/haul/accelerate me but...since it's only a couple of hundred pounds or tenths of seconds, that's no big deal right? especially considering my gas mileage will be much better than yours and i will have more room for all those kiddies and groceries.
don't like that one? well, how about this, i'll take the 5.3L chevy. then, i STILL get better gas mileage than you do, and get MORE power, FASTER acceleration, more towing and more hauling capacity.
reliability? no one's answered that question for me yet. you stated yourself, "let's save
that argument for 5-7 years down the road..." i agree. i'll be there. and i guarantee you, if you used the chevy and the tundra as grocery and kiddy haulers...they'll each last the same. use them both as work trucks...the tundra will fall by the way side long before any chevy will...
the most dependable longest-lasting trucks on the road...
bco
2158 Vibrating Silverado Buyback
Seriously, though the product slamming can get bad in these forums I was actually able to use the lack of still-valid complaints against the F150 in these topics as a reassurance. Now does that mean the Silverado and Tundra complaints are show-stoppers for you? I don't know. But, of course, you could just buy the F150 and be done with it.... ;-)
I can't decide between the 4x4 Clunkerundra LTD with transmission thump, hyperactive cruise control and rough idle,
or the hard starting V8 Shakerundra SR5 with warped brakes, vibrating console and ferret horn.
Decisions, decisions....please help!
If they was so good, then where they be today? Ponder this one now. Good luck on this one now!
Here's some FACTS for you brothers:
The max towing on the Silverado is 8300 lbs. (direct from Chevrolet website), however, once again Chevy does offer four engines on the 1500 and I stated that there was only one offered by Toyota and when compared to similar engines, chevy 4.8 and ford 4.6, it was superior. The Tundra handles 7200 lbs and that is a difference of 1100 lbs. I'll be exact from now on.
Reliability was based upon the only models from Toyota that we have long enough histories, the original "the truck", the tacoma, and the T100, all of which demonstrated superior longetivity to their american counterparts except for the T100 which was a full size pickup but had no V8 and wasn't taken seriously by buyers. However, it did rank ahead of the big three in reliability problems reported for the years it was produced. And reliability is not worse for american trucks simply because there are more of them out there. Reliability is stated as a percentage of the total of a certain type of truck. For example, 10% of buyers reported having 5-10 problems in the first year with their mazda.
The 1995 Tacoma did have a blown head gasket, fixed under a recall, and that is the only known problem area of the Tacoma. Incidentally, how many owners do you think have more than 2 or even 300,000 miles on their tacomas. You might ask one sometime.
And I don't give a F**k if you use your 52 chevy on the farm. How many miles does it have on it? Reliability is not how long something lasts, because if you throw enough money into a Yugo, you can get it to work 48 years, too.
Do you ever read the fine print on the commercial for which all of your egos are based? The dependability (a subjective term at best) is based on the number of chevrolets still registered in a ten year time frame compared to all other full size truck lines. Registration does not equality reliability and cost effectiveness. It simply demonstrates loyalty which all you certainly have.
impression we were debating TOYOTA Tundra vs. The
Big Three."
bad impression, einstein. look at the title again "tundra vs. the big 3" not toyota...
"I own a toyota, so I thought I might
support the cause."
you thought wrong. 'A' for effort; 'F' for execution
"I guess I am the only toyota owner here..."
nope, the other guys are just burying their heads in their hands wondering how they're going to dig your hapless butt out... LOL!
bco
4.3 V-6
4.8 V-8
5.3 V-8
Either way, 8300 is still not 2-300 lbs. more than 7200.
and now:
Them Chevys got what it takes for workin that farm now. Good luck on this one now!
Ryan
I know quite a bit about these trucks, but was wondering if you guys could list the known negatives of these trucks, such as Tundra's vibrations, dodge's recall, etc.?
Any help/info appreciated. - Thanks!