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Tundra vs the Big 3 Continued IV
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You said you changed from werking for "ideological reasons". I guess you guys just forgot.
No problems with my Tundra armrest and my father in law has both legs and good speech.
First it was "Tundra dicks" and now it is "tundrats" Maybe we can talk trucks after you get through puberty. Good Luck!
glad to hear you're father-in-law has both legs and your armrest is in good shape. you're not one of many tundra owners (does tundra owners make you feel better? there there now) who modifies how they sit in the cab to avoid putting "undue stress and strain" on your armrest, are you?
oh, and as for the name deal. i don't know what gives you the idea i'm so "defensive" about it. YOU are the one who brings it up each time you address me. and i simply explain AGAIN why i changed it. hopefully before long, we can put this to rest (read: bama will drop it). i changed my name after receiving less than polite communication from someone who apparently didn't appreciate my comments here. is that so difficult to understand? those were my "ideological reasons".
now then, just think, if you can get past the fact that i changed my name, maybe YOU can begin to talk trucks...as i have been all along.
bco
ps...and no, i don't know who it was, and no, they didn't email me. i consider these forums to be mostly educational, at least entertaining. when what you have to say leaves the context of this forum, i don't need to deal with you anymore. again, that's why i changed, and frankly, that's pretty unfortunate if you ask me.
Beer
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- Tim
Ryan
I dropped the Dodge towing thing because it's like talking to a brick wall. No, I did not read the article (because I'm too cheap to pay for it). No matter what it says, I know a one ton Dodge can tow 8000#. Use your head rob - if your wussy Tundra can tow 7200# then a bigger/heavier duty Dodge can tow more - is that so hard to understand? You can spout off that Dodge admitted this or that, but how about a little common sense. Tundra dicks? Now that's funny - I always liked Tundra TuRD. But that's not really my style...
"...the dealership assured [Jesse Sellers] the truck could tow up to 11,000 pounds, much more than the 8,000 to 9,000 pounds a typical trailer weighs."
"[Mike Aberlich, director of public affairs for DaimlerChrysler] said the company admits it erred in saying the truck could handle the loads Mr. and Mrs. Sellers needed it to carry, "
Now, tell us why you are more qualified to tell us the facts than the director of public affairs for DaimlerChrysler....
Did these folks install the appropriate equipment required to tow these loads? We don't know that either, and we probably never will. Why? Because the media loves a good story and will take every chance it can to show how mom and pop make out against the big guy. To hell with the facts of the case. They don't have the space to print every minute detail.
Now, I'm not trying to rag on Dodge or build up my choice. But, when it's this clear....
which has a greater towing capacity, a tundra, or a dodge one ton? you have 5 minutes, begin work.
bco
Does the Toyota have a blown head gasket???
Does the Toyota have anything solid that hasn't rusted out to attach the hitch to?????
We need more details for the pull off.
ok, 2001 tundra, fresh off the lot. 2001 dodge one ton with whatever set up you care for (2/4wd, reg/ext cab, long/short bed, etc...).
damn...yes, mod, the dodge IS running and for argument's sake (how else could it be with the tundrats, er, tundra owners) the tundra has every factory tow package option they can feasibly glue on it.
ok...2 of your minutes are gone, you now have 3 minutes...shut up and get back to work. LOL
bco
a dodge one ton? you have 5 minutes, begin work."
Considering that the Dodge cannot pull it's advertised rating, the Tundra easily wins!
Maybe not when I got up to the Yukon river the main things tat I saw towing boats were Ford SD's and Dodge 3/4 tons. Anybody who thinks a Tundra can haul more than a 1 ton Dodge is on DRUGS I dont care what anyone says.
Dodge wins hands down BCO. I think i get the prize for correctly answering your question
Ryan
Ryan
Dean
Yeah......that's the ticket.
BTW the tundra is so popular up here they sent out flyers to everyone stating that if you buy a tundra you wont have any payments until march of 2001.I guess they are selling to many up here I think they have sold like 15 or maybe even 20 since they were introduced.With any luck someday it will rain like hell over the tundra assembly plant and the tundra will grow up into a real truck..like one of those funny looking domestics with that 8' bed AND the extended cab.
I am not saying that the tundra is a bad truck it is just that toyota needs to figure out how to make a fullsized truck that can compete with the domestics otherwise the tundra is going to suffer the same fate as the T-100.
heheheehhe
...It's been raining here real good lately....but teh Tundra is still small size...(whenever you get the rare chance to see one)
....The Tundra IS the T100!
- Tim
Rwell i am still wondering about this 7 passenger thing.
Ryan
yawn...this is why i left this topic in the first place. no competition. say, after stirring up all that ruckus again, toyunone and bama sure left awful quick. hmm...well, figures.
leaving for the smokies tomorrow for a weekend of hiking and camping. you guys behave over the weekend this time would ya? LOL!
bco
ps: speaking of rain to make the tundra's grow, you'd think with all the shi...er, fertilizer these tundra owners spew 'round here that their trucks WOULD have grown SOME!!! LMAO
bco
Hows the tires??? Any significant difference???
I am still waiting on mine
Ryan
bco
For the mileage numbers I was referring to the EPA numbers, not numbers GM owners made up.
Tell me how not having posi as on option is a good thing?
My S10:
Payload 1540 Towing 6000
Pretty good for a V6, I think. I dont have any 0-60 numbers for you but I'm sure you'll tell me its alot slower than your Tundra.
I get 22 mpg with my lead foot and just under 26 on long trips, even with the air on.
And I dont have, want or need a 4WD, even with Chicago winters.
I'm not gonna drive a Tundra, no thanx, for my next truck its either another S10 or a Silverado.
Funny though, since I am not all that conversant with the specs on these different trucks (I'm a yuppie new truck owner remember) and since I am coincidentally anal retentive (look it up if you're not sure, it doesn't mean what some of you are thinking, thank you very much!), I actually went to look at the manufacturer web sites to see what they claim about their vehicles.
While I don't have the results fully analyzed yet (I'm supposed to be getting some work done here too, and I'm kidding about the analysis anyway ;-)), I did notice one odd thing. I found towing capacity figures for Ford, Toyota, and Chevy (Toyota and Chevy are using frames, so you have to click down to the appropriate detail page). Strangely though, Dodge, on a their Ram Pickup Towing and Payload page lists no towing figures at all, even though the titles indicate they are included. Apparently they have actually removed the towing figures from their web page. I guess they are taking this lawsuit seriously enough....
Again, I am no Toyota apologist. I bought the F-150. And I have admitted repeatedly that I don't, and most likely won't, tow. But Dodge appears to have done exactly what others more knowledgeable than I have accused them of doing. They really seem to have overstated their towing capacities. That doesn't make them worse than a Tundra. It does make them less than honest and somewhat suspect, IMHO.
Oh, sorry. I forgot that we are only supposed to ridicule each other here and avoid stating any real facts. I'll try to conform....
given the following parameters:
1. you're given a brand new, off the lot tundra with every feasible factory towing option.
2. you're also given a brand new, off the lot dodge 3500 (with the 5.9L V8 that, from what i read, appears to be the smallest engine available in the 3500) with every feasible factory towing option.
3. you ARE a betting person who's goal is to win any and every bet you make (yes, this is one of the parameters).
4. you ARE going to place a wager on which has a greater towing capacity (this is also one of the parameters).
which of the two vehicles do you lay your money on?
bco
you know, i'm not even sure why i bother. i give a rip about either truck...
The only reason I keep up with this at all is.... Gee, now I wonder why I really do keep up with this.... Oh yeah, I remember. The only reason I keep up with this is because so many are so adamantly opposed to the Tundra (probably due to overly zealous stuff coming from their adherents), that they won't even acknowledge that Dodge screwed this thing up big time. Not just the over-inflated claims (although I acknowledge that it is certain that their real towing figures would still beat the Tundra), but also their mishandling of the complaint leading to the highly expensive (in dollars and, more importantly, in PR losses) loss in court.
I also freely admit that Ford did just as badly with their handling of some customer complaints in recent years and they did so on a much wider scale (One example: remember head gaskets on 95 Windstars?). I only hope they really have learned their lesson.
Why? You might ask. There are a couple of reasons.
These are fifth wheel trailers, but they are not like big mobile homes. Mobile homes have a post that connects to the hitch below the bedrails. These trailers are more like semi trailers - flat across at the level of the pin. In order to avoid having the trailer rest on the bed rails, the hitch has to be elevated above the bedrails, which is also higher than the trailer is designed to ride. Very unstable.
A house trailer's axles are positioned near the trailer balance point so the weight on the hitch is about 1000 lbs. The dual (or sometimes triple) axles on these trailers are positioned about 2/3 of the way back because this is where the horses go. (Put 4 1800 lb horses behind the axles and there will be negative weight on the hitch.) The result is a hitch weight of as much as 3500 lbs.
Given those two factors, I'm not surprised it didn't work out.
A more appropriate vehicle for them would have been in the F450 class with a flat bed so the hitch could be mounted at the proper level. For towing with horses F650 or F750 class crewcab with a short flat bed is the minimum.
Peter
We, as consumers, should not have to verify independently each claim a manufacturer or its representatives make for their product. They should stand behind their claims and be held accountable if they do not. That's what the court decision is saying.
My thing is 5 people up front??? No my silverado cant do that thank god. I have bucket seats only 2 up front. Hmmm do you have a bench seat??? Im just trying to figure this out. If you have a bench i guess its possible i have had 4 people in a reg cab S-10 before. 5 people with bucket seats would be impossible.
Ryan
I also have capt chairs or I could have put 6 in the cab and 1 in the back of the truck.
Cause im not believing this one. This is about as good as the tundra out towing a one ton dodge ram.
"cant do it" - what i meant by that was have 5 people up front. I could fit 6 people comfortable in my silverado (2 in front and 4 in back ive done this) and no one would have to ride in the back to keep "cool". Air vents in the rear. Does your tundra have these???
Ryan
he means: 2 in front buckets, 3 across bench of ext cab, and 2 "in the back" means in the bed. for a total of 7. i'm sure the 3 on the extended cab bench were commenting the whole way up how "vast and comfortable" it was back there too right? uh huh...pour another one...
bco
bco
"Insert Toyota for dodge in the lawsuit and you
would be the first to jump on the bandwagon against the company. However, when it's one of your "do-no-wrong" domestic brands in the hot seat, your the first to lamblast the consumer. For shame, Kyle!"
uh, well, no. but it sure is a good thing YOU don't do things like that! LMAO. lamblast? what is lamblast...hmmm...gonna go get a dictionary. pretty desperate if you're putting words (especially those that don't exist) in my mouth rob.
say, long-term test of tundra by automobile magazine revealed that they didn't care for the cloth seats. said it pulled like "velcro" on their clothes and that it retained more dirt, pet hair, and junk than anything else. they ended buying after market seat covers to remedy the situation. combine that with the armrest panels wearing out too quickly and the interior materials in your tundra don't seem to be quite so "top notch", eh? or is automobile magazine not in the "top ten" reading list of tundra owners?
bama? you're the comic book expert...any thoughts on this one???
bco