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Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?



  • I did use generic fuel!!!!! and you are the second person to tell me that!!! I did not believe the first as he had no data to back it up

    wow, that really sucks, I really liked the ford untill i started having problems.


  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    It's made the same way your F-250/350 have been made for generations, except with a fully-boxed front end.

    And more safety equipment than any F-series in history. ;)

    And a V8 that doesn't suffer from asthma pulling a load (11k in your dreams, I need to get home today!).

    Now you answer some questions.

    Ford goes on and on about the size of the bolts they use, and indeed they are slightly larger than other trucks.

    Is it truly just cost-cutting, when you use only six bolts to bolt the tow hitch to the frame, while Toyota uses a dozen bolts? Or are you just looking to lighten the load on an overtaxed engine? :confuse:

  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    HMMMM F-150 5 stars from the Fed.

    Tundra 4 stars. Ok so maybe that is safety if you live in bizarro world.
  • bugchuckerbugchucker Posts: 118
    FYI, Tundra was designed and built in the USA. Ford and GMC don't compare to the new Tundra. I buy what is best and I don't care where it was made. It is not my job to support overpaid auto workers, who do poor quality work. The big 3 need to learn to compete or go home. There is a reason why my garage has a BMW, Lexus, and Tundra in it.
  • fordchrisfordchris Posts: 10
    whatever ford is the best when it comes to design and quality and 3050 pounds of payload 890lbs more than the competition and 11,000 pounds towing best in class so you need to replace that tundra with the best truck made the f-150 or even a super duty
  • bugchuckerbugchucker Posts: 118
    I would not put Ford in the top 3. Why do they lie in their commercials? Guess Ford never heard of truth in advertizing.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    It's obvious you've never tried to pull an 8k load with a Ford, much less 11k, which it can't handle. Ford obviously has no internal towing tests, and will say anything to sell their beleagured truck. :sick:

  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    Jul 07 / Jul 06 / +/- / CY 2007 / CY 2006 / +/-
    F-Series...56,488 / 68,982 / -18.1 / 411,926 / 469,159 / -12.2
    Silverado..46,997 / 66,583 / -26.5 / 357,893 / 383,752 / -6.7
    Ram........29,312 / 32,793 / -11.0 / 214,569 / 215,967 / -1.0
    Sierra.....15,892 / 22,947 / -27.9 / 115,185 / 124,565 / -7.5
    Tundra.....23,150 / 10,285 / 134.5 / 105,990 / 67,743 / 55.6
    Titan.......5,708 / 5,691 / 4.5 / 38,781 / 44,528 / -13.4
    Mark LT.......758 / 962 / -21.2 / 5,090 / 7,512 / -32.2

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    So the Tundra outsold the Sierra and Titan this month and is nipping at the heels of the RAM (ways to go of course).

    That's pretty impressive...
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    I've worked on or around motor vehicles for nearly fifty years. In all that time I have never experienced, seen, or even heard of a leaf spring eye-bolt breaking on any car or truck.

    Using larger pieces, especially fasteners, usually means a decrease in metal quality or heat treating. Its also cheaper in many cases.

  • beliasbelias Posts: 316
    I think Ford trucks are pretty decent, but they're definitely dated compared to the competition (Dodge is dated too). Payload is high because it is essentially a "HD" version, but no way can it pull 11K safely. I test drove the GMC, Toyota, Dodge, Ford, and Nissan, and there was no question that the most lethargic of all of the trucks was the F150. Every other vehicle felt considerably stronger. So, while it may "technically" be able to pull that amount, there is no way you're going to be confident doing it or enjoy driving with that kind of load. At that point you should be looking at a 3/4 or 1 ton anyway... especially if you're doing that on a regular basis.
    Still, Ford sells a lot, but sales for their trucks are continually dropping. The housing market is taking its toll and gas prices aren't helping. By 2009, there will be a pickup (pardon the pun) in sales, but if gas and housing construction continue to be barriers, it won't last long, and the bigger issue is whether they'll be able to come out with the same interior quality while matching it up with a much stronger powertrain at a competitive price... time will tell I guess...
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Ok I think there is no question that GMC 6.0L, Dodge Hemi, and Toyota with the 5.7L offer more HP than the Ford 5.4 L.

    However, the Ford 5.4 is stronger then the base engins in these trucks and becaues if its much lower cost it IS the standard engine in everything but a work truck.

    Also, the Toyota 4.7 still has a timing belt? whats up with that? Anyone know the cost to replace that at 60k?
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    Don;t know what the intervals are, but timing belts last longer than 60k nowadays... I'm guessing 105k like the rest of them.
  • joel0622joel0622 Posts: 3,302
    Who knows, peoeple have been asking that same question for years now. But at the end of every year when all the smoke clears Ford always comes out on top.

    The only one really with a chance to over take them ever is Chevrolet, Dodge never will and and there are not enough Metrosexual men in America to sell enough Toyota's for them to ever get close. It takes more then fancy mis-leading commercials to be on top in the truck market.
  • lets face it all truck commercials try to make trucks look like the best.....anyways tundra is the best truck so far.
  • also nobody counts the mitsubishi raider as a truck i wonder why? :lemon:
  • sleukemsleukem Posts: 22
    You don't need to compare the GMC 6.0L to the Ford's 5.4L when GMC's 5.3L has more HP than Ford's 5.4L!!!!!

    Also, the 5.4L is not the standard engine in everything but a work truck. You have to move up to a Lariat or FX4 before getting a standard 5.4L. There is an exception such as the XL extended cab long bed comes with the 5.4 but the XL extended cab short bed does not.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    The GMC 5.3L is rated at 315hp and 338 lbft. The Ford 5.4L is rated at 300 hp but has 365 lbft of torque. Most people who buy trucks agree that torque is more important than hp.

    Also, the F-150 XLT with 5.4 for $895 and Trailer Tow package for $350 has a Tow and Go Discount at the bottom of the sticker of $1,000. This to me means that the 5.4L is free and it also means all dealers order their all XLTs with 5.4L engines which IMHO makes it practically standard.

  • I'm sure that most of you already know about the problems with the blown out spark plugs but thought I'd put my two cents in. Driving thru town in my '04 F150 when a loud pop noise occurred only to find out that #3 plug and coil had completely blown out of the cylinder head. The head's threads are stripped and now I am forced to have the head retapped and a new assembly installed for around $900 (although Ford wants you to buy a new cylinder head for $3500). Come to find out this is a really big problem (see with all the modular engines and Ford has known about it for several years and refuses to do anything about it - although they have issued a technical bulletin and have also been sued for this problem and lost. Ford needs to step up on this one or many owners will be switching to a Toyota or another more reliable vehicle in the future.
  • bugchuckerbugchucker Posts: 118
    Many are making the switch already.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    As of July 2007, a TSB was published: 07-15-2

    Various 1997-2007 vehicles with a 5.4L 2V, or 6.8L 2V engine with stripped or missing spark plug port threads in modular engine aluminum heads. Ford Motor Company now authorizes LOCK-N-STITCH aluminum inserts and tool kit.

    This repair is for out of warranty repairs. For warranty work you will get the new heads.

  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    ...........Aug 07 / Aug 06 / +/- / CY 2007 / CY 2006 / +/-
    F-Series...69,220 / 76,804 / -9.9 / 481,146 / 545,963 / -11.9
    Silverado..67,486 / 51,185 / 31.8 / 425,379 / 434,937 / -2.2
    Ram........32,309 / 34,177 / -5.0 / 246,878 / 250,144 / -1.0
    Sierra.....23,574 / 17,564 / 34.2 / 138,759 / 142,129 / -2.4
    Tundra.....18,919 / 11,173 / 69.3 / 124,909 / 78,916 / 57.5
    Titan.......6,985 / 5,650 / 23.6 / 45,766 / 50,178 / -9.2
    Mark LT.......768 / 1,007 / -23.7 / 5,858 / 8,519 / -31.2

    Silverado on the F-Series' heels. The fall push will be critical for Ford, and they have two strikes against them:
    - the F150 is a lame duck
    - people are skittish about the new Powerstroke in the Super Duty trucks

    Tundra and Sierra are in a serious dogfight for 4th place.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    We are basically out of 07s.

  • The GMC 5.3L is rated at 315hp and 338 lbft. The Ford 5.4L is rated at 300 hp but has 365 lbft of torque. Most people who buy trucks agree that torque is more important than hp.

    Also, the F-150 XLT with 5.4 for $895 and Trailer Tow package for $350 has a Tow and Go Discount at the bottom of the sticker of $1,000. This to me means that the 5.4L is free and it also means all dealers order their all XLTs with 5.4L engines which IMHO makes it practically standard.

    In your previous post, you were talking about "horsepower." When I pointed out the Chevy 5.3 L had more horses than the 5.4 L, you start talking about torque and how much more important it is. That's all well and good but you weren't talking about torque originally.

    Also, you stated all dealers order the XLT trucks with the 5.4 L because it's "free." I don't know about the discount you are talking about but I do know not all XLT Fords have the 5.4.
  • steevosteevo Posts: 383
    GM allows Ford to have the number 1 slot. The Chevy and GMC trucks are essentially the same vehicle and combined sales have been greater than Ford for years.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    was a slouch empty. I can just imagine what it would be like to drive it with the advertised 3050 lbs. of payload. Well I guess they can advertise what ever they want no one said they had to pull it with any gusto.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Doing the job. We didn't say doing it well.

    You'll figure it out! Buyer beware. :P

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    3050 payload is an option on only a few models, and not avaialble on the F-150 Super Crew you drove.

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    Ahhh ok it sucked empty. Now all I have to do is imagine a regular cab longbed with a 3050 lb payload....
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