Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer?
The Ford F-150 has been the best selling pick up for the last 20-somthing years, but for 2007 there is some stiff competition from the Generals re-designed Silverado and Sierra, the new Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram and the Nissan Titan...can Ford hold on to that title?? What do you guys think??
* I didn’t include the Honda Ridgeline, well because I was talking about real trucks, not a FWD “truck” disguised with standard AWD
* I didn’t include the Honda Ridgeline, well because I was talking about real trucks, not a FWD “truck” disguised with standard AWD
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The Nissan Titan is a pretty formidable competitor too, but it doesn't have a regular cab or HD models, and the new Tundra don't impress me much looks uncomfortable in design. The Ram is just hopeless, but the Mega Cab may pull in a few extra sales.
The change from F-150 to another truck will happen slowly, in two-three years probably.
The General is the king of bean counting...
LOVE those drum brakes on the new Trucks thats real modern.
Talk about crude interiors, the GMs give you 2 choices. Faux and Cheap.
F-150 gives you a choice of 5 different interior designs to choose from.
Better Design? NOT.
the new GMs have the WORST crash test rating of any full size pickup. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=70
More towing? F-150s can tow upto 10,500 same as the Chevy.
Plus you can get an F-150 with a payload of 3,000! I think the max payload on an Chevy is about 1,800.
Talk about build, visit http://www.thetruthabouttrucks.com. Check out the clip that shows the Chevy has NO front structure once you take off the fenders...not to mention the WEAKest frame of a fullsize truck.
As for a few years down the road? Check out this article: http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/hydraulichybrid.html
Yeah I'm sure peeps will be lining up to buy gas guzzlin' Silverados once the Hybrid F-150 is available.
Mark
kcram - Pickups Host
5 different interiors? They all look the same. And all the seats except the King Ranch's are solid hard. And the fit and finish on all Ford products are horrible. At the delership I got in the F-150 and some of the plastic wasn't applied right on the doors(had large gaps on one side and overlapped on the other.) I can't even fit in the back seat of one and I'm 5'9"!
They don't even offer a normal regular cab. In stead they offer a Access cab that looks like a bus.
I can tell you what the F-150 really is, :lemon:.
Its sounds like you're having a difficult time accepting the fact that the F-150 is clearly a far superior truck than the GM. I would be upset too if I spent my money on anything other than a Ford...
Long live Ford F-150
If the Nissan and Toyota can take enough can take enough sales from Ford, Chevrolet could slip past and take the #1 spot. But they could also take sales away from the Chevrolet in the process.
Who knows what could happen in the future, but all I know is to wait and find out what happens in the future. Oh, and andrew9, what Ford product do you actually own?
-I should mention however, that I do also own a chevy suburban and love it. I have nothing against chevy, its just that I think the f150 is a better truck. The frame rigidity, outside frame shock mounts, brakes, and quite ride were all selling points for me.
By the way, mschmal, that second website is Ford made. Unless it gives actual facts (horespower ratings, towing facts) It usually isn't true. Afterall, just showing you something they've already laid out probablty ain't. They could switch the parts to make it look like Ford's is the best, and their number one competitor's is the worst.
And on the Frame comparison, it doesn't even try to show the the competition's frames,just little cutouts of who knows what.
If you want comparisons, go to somewhere nonbiased not a car company owned place.
The Tundra is an unproven commodity. Max production for Toyota is about 250k to 300k per year. I don't think Toyota will be able to steal to many customers with that kind of capacity. In the end, if the Toyota is better, it won't be enough better to justify paying the premium that the Toyota dealers will likely demand.
Mark.
Watch the Silver Creek road test video.
Mark.
Ford F150 300hp/365 lbft tor. 9500 lb towing capacity
Chevy Silverado 315hp/ 338 lbft tor. 10,500 lb towing capacity
Dodge Ram 345hp/375 lbft tor. 9000 lb towing capacity
Toyota Tundra 381hp/405 lbft tor. 10,800 lb towing capacity
Nissan Titan 317hp/ 385 lbft tor. 9500 lb towing capacity
Payload capacities
Ford F150(4x2) 2090 lbs
Chevy Silverado (4x2) 2150 lbs
Dodge Ram (4x2) 2200 lbs
Toyota Tundra (4x2) TBA
Nissan Titan (4x2) 1890 lbs
As you can see Chevy and Toyota have the two best towing trucks, while the Dodge Ram has the least along with the Ford F150 and the Nissan Titan.For payload capacities the Dodge Ram has the best. While the Nissan Titan somehow struggles to carry large loads. Also Chevy seems to produce the least amount of torque. NOTE: For Toyota Tundra the horsepower and torque numbers are rumors. If you would like to see for yourself go to wikipedia.com and search for the Toyota Tundra, then scroll down to second generation and it will have the numbers for only the 5.7 Liter.
To what I can see in 2007 the Toyota Tundra, Chevy Silverado, and Dodge Ram will sell well. The others will struggle a bit.
The SD looked so much better than the F150, that a lot of Ford fans moved up a class from what they needed. Was a good deal for Ford too, SD had more profit, and was/is a good truck. The bigger brakes, tires, etc. lasted longer in service rated for a 1/2 ton so maintenace was less for the owner too.
Harry
Rocky
Based on what I currently see, I suspect Toyota will dominate in the near future. They have the best handle on manufacturing and quality. And they sell with the highest profit margin (which strengthens the health of the company).
I've always had Ford pick-ups on the farm and they have served me well. However the 6.0 diesel is a disaster with no replacement.
As far as weights go, who cares. Load'em up until the bumper drags then shovel a scoop of manure out and go!
April 07' Motor Trend: Toyota Tundra vs Silverado, result:
Silverado 1st Place , $4K less expensive and you don't get that but ugly Ford/Tundra front end treatment.....
Enjoy those Silveradoswith the full box frames!!
Chromedome
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go to fordchallenge.com and see why ford is the better choice i have aneighbor that was a die hard chevy guy he said hed never buy a ford well now he owns 2 f-150's i told him to test drive one and he did and now hes like me (chevy sucks)
While Ford offers that 3050 payload package, very few are sold thusly equipped. By far most F-150s sold have an under 2K payload. Also, at 8200 GVW, it hardly qualifies as a "1/2-ton," at least not as they are commonly known today.
Bob
You can put more than that in the bed of a Ford Ranger so how then is the F-150 not a half ton?
Mark
Would you please explain to me why Ford does not make the 3050 package available in the short box extended cab version? I really like that package (I know it is not quite the same in my 01 4 x 4). Thanks for your input.
Nice try on ford's part though, there are fool's out there that believe there claim.
2. In 2006, Chevy sold 705,980 Silverados and GMC sold 210,736 Sierras for a total of 979,902.
3. In 2006, Ford sold 796,039 F-Series trucks.
4. Ford claims that F-Series is the best selling truck name plate. Since 796,039 is higher than either 705,980 or 210,736, this statement is true.
5. the New redesigned Silverado/Sierra is still not as good a truck as the 2004 F-150.
a. F-150 reg cab has best in class payload at 3050 lbs. vs. 1952 for Silverado.
b. F-150 can tow 2,300 more lbs than Silverado.
c. F-150 has four whee vented disc brakes. Standard on Silverado are rear drums.
d. F-150 uses a fully box frame with hydro formed front frame rails and through welded cross members. Silverado does not use hydro forming and does not use through welded cross members.
e. F-150 has outboard mounted shocks which provide greater stability than the splayed shocks on Silverado.
f. F-150's 5.4L engine has more torque than Silverado's 5.3L and only 10 lbft less than Silverado's heavy, expensive, gas guzzlin' 6.0L
g. Ford also offers a regular cab with 4 door access and behind the seat storage. Silverado does not.
I could go on and on but the point is that GMs "new" truck is only about as good as a 2003 F-150.
Mark
By the way how is Ford doing these day's? How's that Ranger selling? They even closed the plant in St. Paul that had a hydro-Gen and produced it's own power! All because they cant give those junk Rangers away! I could go on and on but i think i've made my point, Haven't and Will Not out sell General Motor's full size truck's, So Get over it!!
Jay...
In terms of reliability the F-series was the best of the LD pickups until they released the latest version. While the Ranger is an old design it remains a solid vehicle. I'd rather take an enema than own or drive the absolute worst small pickup ever built, the S-10. And the new Canyon/Colorado seems to be following in that fine tradition. They're horrible.
And, just how well is GM doing nowadays? How many billions have they lost in the last two years?
Dusty
F-series "WAS" the best of the light duty pickup's! My 93' Sierra sle z-71 is by far better then any 93'F-150 in ride,look's for sure,easyer to work on and parts are alot cheaper! Lastly GM is doing alot better then Ford! get over it!
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What was that suppose to mean? That you would sink like a rock?
BTW. S-10 Blazer has the highest fatality number for miles driven of any other vehicle on the road today.
Mark.
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Even if Ford parts were more expensive, which there is no submitted evidence to support, they are most definitely used less often!
2008 F-450 Pickup!
Payload: over 6,000 pounds.
Conventional Towing: 16,000 pounds
5th wheel towing: 24,500 pounds
6.4L Diesel
350 hp, 650 lb-ft.
Mark.
Bob
The 327 was the last decent Chevrolet small block. The 350, like its predecessors were terrible on the top end. Valve guides were soft and even softer when Chevrolet stopped using SAE 550 cast heads. Bent push rods were always a problem when a Chevy small block saw a lot of high RPM work. Rocker arms would develop excessive peening at both actuating ends, and if you pulled really high RPM too often the rocker arm studs would work themselves right out of the head. Factory camshafts were just plain junk, usually spinning a lobe by the time they reached 50K. Timing chains and gears would crumble quite consistently, and the Chevy oil pump was marginal under civilian use. After the 327 Chevy small blocks got a well deserved reputation for excessive oil consumption.
The 396 was an anchor. I noticed you didn't mention the 348. Probably wise. Blue Streak sixes liked to develop a hole in number one piston and they always suffered from poor oiling in the valve train unless you ground the side of one head bolt down. The 400 small block performed well, but suffered from poor blood lines. As with the 350, the 400 had a high incidence of galling number 1 main bearing.
When you're in love with Chevrolet I guess one tends to forget the negatives.
kcram - Pickups Host
The real problem is if Ford will be around by then. Right now, it looks like Ford has about 16 months to make a significant improvement or else it will get sold to another company. Realistically, next year is probably the last year Ford has to maintain its leadership with the F150, but not because the truck won't be popular, but because the company itself may be sold off by then...
Don't get me wrong the Ford F-150 is a popular truck i give it that! But it does not out sell General Motor's in total truck sales in the full size>1500 class< period! "Sorry" Silverado/Sierra? same truck! Diff grill assembly and badges,Interior, rim's also! But i can still take any part off a silverado and bolt it up to my Sierra! "Same Company" and just about same truck! Just cause you word something for effect, does not make it fact in the final year end count of total fullsize 1/2 ton truck sales by both Company's! Winner (GM)