Does anyone know what a is a "good" lease deal for a 2wd. I received an offer last night of 479mo/48 months with 2500 down. The residual is $17,789. I believe it would be a good deal if all remains the same with $0. Any thoughts? The residual seems low. It was going to have the premium package, basically excluding heated seats. Thanks
I would NEVER buy a GM vehicle in the first year or two of production. I simply don't enjoy being an unpaid beta tester for their product development engineers. Get a QX4 or a Pathfinder. My 1993 PF SE has 121,000 miles on the clock and is still tight and rattle free. Dead nuts reliable as well. I doubt you can find a NEW Blazer that is rattle free.
Be careful depending what part of the country you are in if you expect to get a low milage '97 QX4 for under 20 grand. In the Northeast at manheim auction (one of the largest auto auctions in the world) 97 QX4's with well over 40K were going for $22,000 to $23,000 wholsale. $26,000 is a little strong but for an exceptionally nice truck with right miles low to mid 20's is a reasonable price especially if you get Infiniti's 7 year/ 100,000 mile premier warrenty.
Don't worry about the tires the 16" Bridgestone Dueler tires have been used by Infiniti since '97 on the QX4 are one of the best light truck tires on the market and have nothing to do with certain 15" tires made by a seperate division of the company.
and for BBfan1952 Infinit"i" is hardly in trouble any automaker that grew sales by 20% last year in spite of a downturn in the economy and who's parent is spending over $1,000,000,000.00 (thats a Billion dollers) to buils a brand new manufacturing facility in the US hardly qualifies as being in big trouble.
for the person who was asking about that used QX4 '97. i have no idea about how fair the price is since i'm not in the states.
the tires i believe are the same as the ones i had on my '98path LE. except mine had the 15" Bridg. Duelers on. I noticed excessive wear on those tires.......by 20,000km they were gone. was replaced with Michilen LTX which laster twice the distance and was still in good shape when i traded the car (i don't do off roading). the vehicle also seemed more sure footed in snow (same size tire).
Thanks i've got the LTX tires on the '01 QX4 now. others came with Dunlop i beleive. but luckily my shipment had the LTX.
You don't happen to work for a Nissan/Infi dealer, DO YOU?????
Average mileage 97's are not auctioning for $23K. Maybe ONE, at a consumer auction. But NFW to your assertion that $26K is a "little strong". Low $20's, that's it. I probably to get out of my loaded '98 with 24K miles for $26.
I agree with #354 about the Duelers. They are wearing very quickly. I'm thinking maybe 30K miles out of them.
If you could get the extended factory warranty, it would be a huge plus. The 4wd system is excruciatingly complex. I'd hate to see a repair bill for one. Infiniti had (and continues to have) a MONSTROUS problem with the 1st generation q45's tranny. Kiss your $6K goodbye when than transmission goes, and it will. The drivetrain in the QX4 is a proven one, I'm just making a point about the value of am extended warranty.
It sounds like I'm not getting such a good deal on that Q. I'm gonna take your advice and ask for an extended warranty....this one is up 10/01. I guess $24300 would be OK if I got an extended warranty.
Well you have thoroughly scared me. I was considering buying a used Q because everyone seems to love theirs. I'll be re-thinking my purchase seriously. I hate to say it but I think my salesman is already taking advantage of the fact that I'm a woman. But what a nightmare you have. I went to your website and read about all your troubles, wow! I sent an email on your behalf. Hope it helps. I do think you shouldn't gripe soo much about the dirty loaners (some places won't even give a loaner) it just makes you sound way too picky. Good luck.
As a point of information, I bought a 97 Qx4 with 22,000 miles on it in December in central NJ. The car has many features including moonroof, heated mirrors and seats, but no CD changer. No tow package or anything like that. I don't know about the LSD.
The car is in nearly perfect shape with no dings, no interior problems. No rust (However, you should know that I did see a similar car, a 97 with 23K on it with rust bubbling on the inside lip of the hood, hmmmm...) The motor's never been touched other than for service. Although I bought it from a non-Infinity dealer, Infinity had the service history in their computer so I knew before I bought it that the miles were correct and that it had been serviced. The date in-service was 9/98 so there are a few months left of the 4-year b-2-b warranty.
Price paid: 23,400 and he wasn't moving from there. I did get a few goodies thrown in, but nothing of any significant financial consequence.
thanks for the words of support. The reason I complained about dirty loaners is that it's Infiniti's policy to give you a loaner car every time you go in for service for your new vehicle. I see it as very disrespectful to customers to not clean them, especially when it's apparent that they haven't been washed or vacuumed in a long time, and the steering wheel is slippery with greasy residue. One time they gave me one so dirty that I asked them to clean/vacuum it. They wiped the dash with a dirty rag and flipped the debris-covered floormats upside-down instead.
Infiniti projects an image of luxury and high-standards. Too bad they can't meet it.
in another qx4 group someone asked about physically adjusting the headlights. the interior switch doesn't adjust the way needed. has anyone monkeyed with their headlights to replace or adjust?
i also contacted infiniti/nissan thru the given emails on your website ( received an error for robert wahl's email). if you'd like, i can forward you my message.
i'd like to add the fact that i am a completely happy qx4 owner, and i will continue to tout the qx4 to those who consider purchasing it. remember that infiniti_lemon's case is but one of many manufactured and sold qx4's. not only that, but i have had impeccable service as well as clean loaner cars. i guess i take it personal when a problem with a qx4 arises. and in that respect, i have (not so much as previously) the confidence that infiniti/nissan will deal with it in the appropriate manner. i advise anyone who has had a great or horrible experiences with their qx4 to contact infiniti/nissan on infiniti_lemon's behalf to express dissatisfaction with how they've dealt with his case.
on another note, because we live in a topdown business world, we need to address the root of the problem, rather than lay too much blame on the dealers. it sounds like they attempted to fix the problems (barring problems introduced during fixes) but to no avail, following recommended procedures. it's difficult for them to help more when infiniti won't help them. therefore, the vehicle's problems are manufacturer sourced, so it is an issue with the manufacturer.
Hi, does anyone know what the residual value should be for 48 month lease on qx4X2 (2001)? The deal that I was offered has a residual value of 17,789 (49%). Thanks
i had my hitch installed by the dealer. he gave me an infiniti logo plug for the receiver hole, but it's just a rubber plug that fits in there. it was stolen a couple weeks ago, and i'm looking for a full hitch plug that i can lock in there. has anyone seen a hitch plug with an infiniti logo? maybe a chrome one?
i just reviewed my 48 mo lease on my '98 qx4. the residual was 47%, so yours sounds good. you're calculating the value based on msrp with all options, right?
Just wondering if I got a good deal on a 2001 QX4. I purchased a QX4 4x2 with premium package, sunroof and wind deflector MSRP = 36,315. I paid 32775 in Miami, Florida. Was this a good deal or could I have done better. Just wondering.
have 1999 qx4 currently under lease w/29 pymts left. want new one but getting creamed on trade in. have driven new pathfinder and liked it. anyone tried to re-up their old qx4 lease for new one? or tried to trade in on other vehicle? offers for trade in value are around $22k, which seems very low.
I am debating between a 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Ltd.s, (full size) and the QX4, I test drove both and really like many features of the QX4 (Michelin tires, Bose 6 disc DC stereo, memory seats, 240HP, 3.9% financing) except tight seating for even 5 passengers, while Montero can fit up to 7 and easily 6 with 3rd seat. Any information on adding a 3rd seat for 2002 model? I am also really concerned with "Off Road" ability, the tests (Road&Track) do not rate the QX4 very for some reasoning that was not clear to me. Anybody have any experience with the 2001 QX4? I don't plan to go rock climbing, but I do get in some serious low range required mountainous areas. Help! The QX4 at least has low range 4x4 that many of the new "ALL Wheel Drive Mini Vans" like the Acura MDX and Lexus LX470. I think the term "SUV" should be reserved for Vehicles that have a Low range 4x4 and decent "Off Road" capabilities. This would help a lot of people eliminate a lot of 4x4's; o.. only 10% actually use the ablilty (Just an engineers opinion). Comments!
Finally received a letter back from Infiniti in response to my final repair request on the weld problem and the repurchase request (both from @ a month ago). It says that they did a thorough examination of my vehicle and found no problems with it, so they aren't going to do anything. Their previous letter said that the tech rep drove my vehicle on December 4 and found no problems, which is untrue. I guess they are just trying to fool themselves, because they have not done any examination of the vehicle since they gave it back to me on December 1 (other than a few minutes repairing a recall item (ignition ring in interior) on 12/23. I don't know why they are making such outlandish claims.
I have a 01 PF LE 4x4 and follow both of these boards. On the PF forum one of the posters recently posted something about how the PF won the Dakar rally in the category that included vehicles that were closest to stock ie: least modifications. I would think this would indicate very good off road capability. I am not an offroader, so you may have to visit the Nissan Pathfinder main comment section to get the details. There were also several links to give more specifics.
I've seen numerous postings basically asking the same thing...but I'd like some advice from all you QX4 owners...
I'm in the market for a new SUV and I have narrowed it down to the Pathfinder LE or the Qx4. I realize they are virtually the same vehicle with the QX4 being the snazzier of the two.
I cannot make up my mind...
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I like the exterior style of the Pathfinder much more than the QX4. The QX4 is just a little too "tarty" for my taste. Although the wheels that come with the premium package look great! I like the wheels on the Pathfinder LE as much.
I love the interior of the QX4 vs. the Pathfinder. I like the "Lexus" like dash, the wood trim (yes, I know its fake) that covers the dash and the console + the leather and wood (I know, fake) steering wheel. The Pathfinder has white gauges, that are apparently all the rage these days, but I don't care for them. I also noticed that the console in the Pathfinder is just plastic...cheap looking plastic @ that. Does anyone know if you can get wood on the console of a Pathfinder as an option?
I haven't studied it much, but based on the postings, it appears that the QX4 does not hold its resale value as well as the Pathfinder. I am looking to finance my purchase, not lease it. I generally keep my cars 5+ years or more, so resale is somewhat important to me. Should I be concerned?
Most of the reviews I have read on the QX4 in car rags, have not been that positive...they generally always end with something to the effect that your better off buying a Pathfinder and saving the extra $$$. Your thoughts?
Is the Infiniti service really worth the extra $$$'s you spend @ time of purchase? I hear a lot of complaints from folks regarding Honda dealers, but I guess I have been spoiled by mine. I didn't feel hassled during the purchase of my Honda Prelude. When you bring your car in for service, they offer a free loaner car (you have to schedule it in advance) and they wash my car each time free of charge. Everybody is friendly, helpful and professional. What does the Infiniti dealer do above this? What am I getting that I am not getting @ my local Honda dealer?
What about the purchasing experience? What is different from Infiniti than say Honda or Toyota? I have several friends that drive Lexus' that just go on and on about how wonderful they were treated during the purchase of their Lexus...what was your experience with Infiniti?
I want to be courteous to my fellow drivers out there and I am a little concerned about the QX4's HID lights. Have you had car drivers complain about the HID's searing the backs of their heads @ red lights, etc...? It really is a concern, believe it or not...
What about insurance costs for the QX4 vs. the Pathfinder?
So please, help me make a decision, your opinions are appreciated! Any other things you can think of that may have been important to you during your decision making process, please share with me.
The high cost of a 5 mph bumper ding is totally ridiculous, but if you look at the poor excuse for a bumper all plastic, it is not surprising. It is no wonder insurance rate are so high and going higher. It is too bad that you have to buy a German car to get a bumper! Look at the report, not one American or Japanese car makes the grade. That one good thing Jimmy Carter tried to fix with bumper impact standards. We don't even have a height standard. Anybody had their car hood smashed by a 4x4 truck bumper 2 1/2 Ft off the ground. Enough, I get fried thinking about it.
Actually, a Japanese car did pretty damn good. The Lexus RX300 was the third cheapest overall to fix and still under $1000. And third highest in overall safety. And considering that it costs less than the ML or BMW, a great value.
Hey,jkidd2, looks like you and I are in the same boat. I'll be coming off a lease in May and have narrowed down my next purchase to either the Pathfinder LE or the QX4. Just when I think I've made up my mind, I change it. In fact it took me several weeks to determine that while I loved the electric rear window in the 4runner, it was not worth buying it over the Pathfinder/QX4. I agree with you about the white dash in the Pathfinder. If I were 10 years younger or so, I'd probably like it, but now, it seems distracting to me.
Bottom line, if I had to buy today, it would be the QX4 - mainly for this reason (at least this week!!) I've bought really nice cars in the past from dealers who offer everything from entry level to higher-end cars. What always bothered me was when the mechanic that just finished working on a $12,000 Golf, would then jump to my Corrado SC fully loaded with leather. I always noticed grease and smug marks after repairs. While there's no guarantee, I would rather pay $3000 more for the QX4 and know the mechanics respect the dollars people spend on their autos and treats the cars accordingly. I'll keep you posted as I get closer to my purchase.
It is very important that you drive both vehicles before making your choice. There is a quite noticable difference in the ride. The QX4 is going to be more car-like the Pathfinder rides more like a truck. I had a customer trade out of a used Pathfinder and into a used QX4 a week after she bought it because she didn't believe me about the ride thing. She test drove the QX4 then bought the PF without driving it on the assumption that it would ride the same.
on a seperate note why is the topic nissan infiniti QX4 not just Infiniti QX4
I have to disagree with your statement on the ride. I repeatedly drove both the Q and PF several times before buying My PF. There was NO noticeable difference in the ride. The Q was a little more quiet inside the cabin. I would be willing to bet that the only difference in the suspensions between the PF and Q is the 17" wheels of the Q. I am open to evidence such as a quote from a Nissan/Infiniti engineer stating otherwise. Maybe providing some type of evidence of different springs/shocks etc. I will be suprised, but corrected.
Thanks to all who have responded for my request of assistance! Please keep it up! I am still struggling over this...
Thought of something I forgot to ask. Does anyone out there have a QX4 that does NOT have a moonroof? I noted its an option on the QX4 (Standard on the Pathfinder LE). I don't want or need one....but seems every QX4 I look at, has one. I rarely open mine on my Prelude...to me its just one more thing to rattle...Are they that hard to find without a moonroof?
Had my QX4 appraised today. Was told that because there is evident repair to the frame and that the passenger side fender was removed, I would have a very difficult time trying to sell it. After a survey of wholesalers, most of them wouldn't even talk about buying a car with frame repair. The one that did gave a value that is approximately $5000 below market value for an identical one without this problem!!
So now I have proof that I've lost value, dealership repair orders that indentify frame repair, and the overwhelming feeling that it's time to get a lawyer. Actually was contacted by 2 dealerships from other parts of the country who saw my site and said they were shocked to see Infiniti acting like they are in my case. Both of them advised me to get a lawyer. I am looking into it immediately.
Not only is it an issue of being a lemon, but now I know that I have a factory defect that evidence of the repair itself diminishes the vehicle's value by several thousands of dollars. I remember asking the service manager at Marietta Infiniti how this repair affected the value. he told me "well, you'd have to point out the area for anyone to notice." Yeah, right. It was the first thing the appraisal guy saw when he popped the hood.
I'm in the market for a new SUV...I read your website from beginning to end...you've given me a great deal to think about..so thanks...But, as I read your diary...I kept thinking to myself...why didn't he notice some of this stuff before he bought this particular QX4? e.g.: scratchy dash cover...noisy roof rack..flaky dash panel..uneven bumper..
What caused the mildew smell in the A/C?
I hope your taking pictures to document all of your troubles!
You probably should have stuck with the the dealer you purchased it from...by leaving them and going to another dealer, you let them off the hook...should be their responsibility. Besides, the more pressure you apply to them the more likely you are to be "heard"...what incentive does Marietta Infiniti have to work with you? I'd go back to Troncalli...they will see you coming and hopefully, think "jeez..he's back...what do we gotta do to get him off our backs?"
I might be naive, but have you tried the BBB?
What about Consumer Reporters on your local TV stations? All the major networks in Houston have a consumer reporter or group that help folks in the community with issues such as yours. If a local TV crew showed up @ the Dealer asking embarrassing questions, you might see how quick they come running to your assistance.
Have you e.mailed your web-address to the dealer and Corporate? You should get the e.mail addresses of the various folks your dealing with @ Infiniti and e.mail them the web site too.
Good luck to you...like I said, you've given me food for thought....sounds like you got a lemon to me...just not sure I can conclude that they are all as bad as yours sounds.
• as for noticing some of the problems before buying, none of them were apparent until later. The scratchy dash glass only showed up one day when sun hit it through the moonroof. The technical rep from Infiniti told me that it looked bad and needed replacment. The roof rack is intermittent, popping up at only certain speeds. The flaky dash panel degraded over time until I noticed it. Believe me, I looked at the vehicle VERY carefully before I purchased.
• the mildew smell is something that the dealership called "common." They daid they deal with it all the time- basically moisture in the AC system.
• pictures are available on my site
• As for staying with the purchasing dealer, I left because the service was horrible. The people I dealt with their were not very courteous, and there was basically no follow-through. Also, the loaner cars were so dirty it was embarrassing. Plus, I thought that I might get better service moving to another dealership. As for Marietta Infiniti working with me, I expected them to be honest and do a decent job. Right now my main focus is the manufacturer, because the defects are factory-borne- especially the loose body joint that was re-welded. The dealers are also a major part of the problem, but I am after the manufacturer for resolution.
• I have read plenty of negative info about the BBB autoline to not head in that direction. Right now I am weighing options, and have been lining up a lawyer with the recent revelation about the diminished value.
• I am in the process of contacting consumer advocates. Will let this board know if anything there happens.
• Have sent the company my details. I've also been contacted by dealers in other parts of the country who are trying to help. I've been told by 2 Infiniti dealers today that I should get a lawyer.
• I am not claiming that all Nissan/Infiniti products are bad. Just pointing out to all of you folks how a guy that ends up with a lemon is being treated by this company. One of the Infiniti delaers I spoke to today said he would be "livid" if in my shoes.
I bought the PF LE over the QX4. I didn't drive both, but I have friends with the QX4 and there are small differences, but not any I was willing to pay for. I had the white dash in my Maxima, so I was used to it The QX4's that I hav been in have a very light leather and carpet. I have the charcoal leather in the LE (not the dark like it is in 2001) and I love it. The lighter oak would get filthy with kids and dogs. The "wood" IS cheesy in the LE - much better in the QX4. All in all, there just wasn't enough difference for me to rationalize the extra money, but that's certainly a personal decision
i chose the qx4, but as peaches5 pointed out, it is a personal decision. most infiniti dealers will let you take a qx4 overnite, which i highly recommend. not sure about most nissan dealers, but one of the three i visited (it was also a mercedes dealer) would have allowed me to take a pf overnite. if they won't let you, just tell em you're heading on down to the infiniti dealership to purchase, most of em should let you do it then. you'll never know which you want till you've sat in each for a while. i looked long and hard at all the differences in options etc., but i just felt different sitting in the qx4.
Folks, Let me throw in again another way to look the pricing and a definate way to save money on the purchase. Consider going to Canada to buy. I did it in September and regular readers have followed posts from over 20 others who have done it since. The US dollar is still very strong against the Canadian dollar. I did a lot of research and calling and found dealers willing to sell just above their cost. A QX4 AWD with Premium, Sport, and sunroof sells for about $32,000. A Pathfinder LE AWD with leather goes for just over $28,000.
It really is not difficult at all to do. I've seen people from one coast to the other do it. I had posted some details above at #330, but just email me for more information. I'll be glad to help.
I seem to remember someone else, maybe in this QX4 discussion, talking about having the same weld issue with their vehicle. If you are this person, please contact me. We have some important information to exchange.
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-found out today that not only does the weld problem affect the value, but might impair the use and safety as well, since the vehicle's body is no longer as-designed, and the repair might affect how the body and airbag react to a collision.
johnskev....I know it may sound shallow, but I appreciated your comment about how you "feel" driving your QX4. I haven't had that "feeling" since I traded in my '91 CRX that I miss to this day. That is what I am looking for...a "feeling".
I like the idea of going to Canada to purchase a vehicle if it involved significant savings except for all the vehicles in Canada have those damn daytime running lights that I abhor.
The Canadian comment did make me think of something else. Did anyone pay at or above sticker for their QX4? A lot of the sights I've reviewed indicate that there is a large supply of QX4's and not a huge demand, which means significant deals on them. True?
jkidd2, You can disconnect just one wire to turn off the DRL's. And you should find the savings to be pretty good. The US dealer invoice is $34,899 and list is $38,525 for the vehicle I mentioned above. At the right dealers, they will sell in Canada for just about $32,000 even (including duty). Let me know if you want to check it out. It sounds too good to be true, but that's the way it really is.
I believe you got a good deal. I am curious though, does the price of 32,775 include acquisition, destination & advertising fees? I am currently thinking of leasing the same vehicle. I am about where you are in the price, but not sure what your total price included.
My wife has a '99 QX4 that we got for a total lease payment (all-in, tax, etc.) of $438/mo for 39 months (plus a $538 doc, acquisition, etc. fee up front)with 15K miles (and $.12 per mile over) -- better by far than then available on MB or Lexus. 25 months into the lease, she's been quite happy with the car and Infiniti service, though we'd like more power than the 167HP it has.
Our salesperson just called to offer a 2001 4-wheel drive QX4 with the sunroof and premium packages (everything but the heated seats and limited slip, which is the Sport package) for $500/mo (all-in including tax, etc.) for 48 months, otherwise same terms as existing lease(15k and $.12 per mile over), but nothing down (other than first months payment), no bank fee, no doc/acquisition fee, no cap cost reduction, etc. and they will take us out of our existing QX4 lease cost free (even tho we're now 6,000 miles over the 15K annumal allowance), no termination charge, etc.
Seems like a great deal to get rid of the current 6,000 excess miles free and to upgrade to new car with vastly-improved 240HP engine, Xenon lights, memory seats, steering wheel audio controls, upgraded interior, etc., since we'd otherwise still be paying $438 for another 14 months to drive the old QX4.
The price of $32,775 for the qx4 with premium package, sunroof and rear wind deflector includes all charges except taxes, tag and title. The destination charge is included. When the dealer mentioned advertising fees, I refused to pay. The salesman dropped the issue.
Where are you in price with everything except tax tag and title?
You may consider purchasing the car with infiniti's promotional 3.9% apr. In passing, i.e. no negotiating, I was quoted a lease price of about $520 a month for 48 months, no money down (I am not sure if that included taxes). I thought it was better to buy the car. With such a good finance rate, I didn't even put any money down.
In my area, Kansas City, I'm seeing several '97 QX4's on dealers' lots with relatively low mileage (30k's). Is there a reason these are sitting there instead of being on the road? Were there first model year problems that would make me want to stay away from them? I have a somewhat limited budget, but want to get a good by on a low mileage used SUV, and I see more of these for sale than any others right now. Any Thoughts?
Does anyone have any experience they would share on towing with a 2001 QX4? I have about a 4000 lb boat and I was wondering how these things will do since they do not have a frame (unibody construction). Any input would be appreciated.
Sorry to hear the continuing saga of the LEMON INFINITI. I really and trully have been more than satisfied with mine. On the freeway it is an eager bever with a smooth ride. Always feel I have power to spare. Off road, while I haven't done anything too outlandish, I have the confidence that it will always pull though. I have only 8000 miles on my QX4 but so far it is the best all around vehicle I have every purchased. Normally I trade every year, but I think I will stay with this one a bit longer!!!!! The fit and finish are second to none. Every once in a while I will notice another area where Infiniti has taken the extra effort to make it "perfect".
For what it is worth, we just bought our QX4 after shopping the Pathfinder, RX300, MDX and Montero Ltd.. Choose the Infinity for a number of reasons but specifically over the Pathfinder because it handles and drives so much better and quieter. The QX4 has the 17" tires and extra insulation, plus the other options that are not available on the PF. We just thought that the performance,quietness, better leather seats and better interior finishes were worth the price.
The lease terms were also good for this price range. 39 months, 48,750 miles for $504/month, $1700 sign and drive (inc. sec deposit, first months pymt, license and 300 cap cost red.)
because they have come off of lease most likely. alot of qx4's are leased for >3 years. these are coming off lease every day. because of the good/long factory warranty, consumers are willing to lease for terms greater than the typical 36 months. they are sitting there because dealers are asking too much money for them, given the number of willing buyers. it's the old "supply and demand" thing.
if they are on an infiniti lot, look for those which are "certified" with extended warranty terms. the original warranty has, or is about to, expire at 4yrs. i don't think that anyone has been complaining about anything particular to the '97's. my '98 had its brakes, all 4 (rotors and drums), go bad at 8K miles. it was treated as a defect and repaired under warranty.
the old 3.3 engine is probably a hard sell at this point given the much more powerful suv's put there.
look for a low mileage '97 for just under or over $20K. don't believe the asking prices they're probably in the $24K range, which is a total joke! good luck, ace
Supposedly the eastern region office is now "examining my situation" and "looking at possible resolutions." I have been contacted by dealers around the country who have expressed their concerns about what is going on with my QX4. All of them have said that Infiniti should have known to take the vehicle back once they realized that there was a loose weld in the frame. A few dealers have told me I should get a lawyer. I have done that, and am waiting to see if Infiniti will go ahead and offer a settlement this week.
While recounting my story to a lawyer this past week, I remembered that after the first bit of welding in late October, I put a call into Consumer Affairs. I asked if the repair affected the value and structural integrity of the vehicle. Steve Torres in Consumer Affairs called me and told me that the weld actually made the vehicle sturdier, and there was NO affect on the value. While it is now apparent that they were completely wrong about the value aspect, how could Consumer Affairs know what affect the repair had on the integrity of the frame?
I feel that Infiniti should have known that a repair like that would affect at least the value. Why did they tell me different? Is this why the service manager at my dealership told me that if another QX4 came in with this problem he would "keep it to himself" about how it was repaired?
Where is the customer service that this company so touts?
All QX4's are all rated to tow 5000 lbs. because they use a modified unibody with frame rails welded directly to the body to provide the strength needed for offroad and towing use. However, I would reccomend a 2001 because 240 HP will pull 5000 lbs a lot quicker than 170 HP.
I am a super satisfied owner of a 01' QX4 i've had it since it was launched and for the past few months it lived up to its reputation.
the best part about this car is FIT AND FINISH RELIABILITY POWER (enough power to do the job i should say) SERVICE OVERALL QUALITY
i'm sorry to hear about the "individual case" of that lemon and the customer service to that individual. wish you the best of luck. but i'd like to mention that i got a good discount on my vehicle and the dealer still replaced the QX4 logo on my vehicle twice for free becuase it got stolen. my point is service has been great in general.
i am a very picky person interms of cars and mechanical issues in general. but this car did well to more than satisfy me.
i am also an x-owner of a 98 pathfinder and a current owner of a 95 maxima so my experience is not based on the past two months but based on few years with nissan/infiniti.
i still wish the lemon guy the best of luck and i would not expect anything but a full refund for his case if all that he's claiming is true.
For the people who chose the QX4 over the pathfinder becuase it was worth the money due to better handling....please not that the QX4 has the same handling and suspension as the Pathdiner as far as i know. but you are right about the extra insulation and few extra features. it also has the same engine and transmition.
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Don't worry about the tires the 16" Bridgestone Dueler tires have been used by Infiniti since '97 on the QX4 are one of the best light truck tires on the market and have nothing to do with certain 15" tires made by a seperate division of the company.
and for BBfan1952 Infinit"i" is hardly in trouble any automaker that grew sales by 20% last year in spite of a downturn in the economy and who's parent is spending over $1,000,000,000.00 (thats a Billion dollers) to buils a brand new manufacturing facility in the US hardly qualifies as being in big trouble.
'97. i have no idea about how fair the price is since i'm not in the states.
the tires i believe are the same as the ones i had on my '98path LE. except mine had the 15" Bridg. Duelers on. I noticed excessive wear on those tires.......by 20,000km they were gone. was replaced with Michilen LTX which laster twice the distance and was still in good shape when i traded the car (i don't do off roading). the vehicle also seemed more sure footed in snow (same size tire).
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i've got the LTX tires on the '01 QX4 now. others came with Dunlop i beleive. but luckily my shipment had the LTX.
Average mileage 97's are not auctioning for $23K. Maybe ONE, at a consumer auction. But NFW to your assertion that $26K is a "little strong". Low $20's, that's it. I probably to get out of my loaded '98 with 24K miles for $26.
I agree with #354 about the Duelers. They are wearing very quickly. I'm thinking maybe 30K miles out of them.
If you could get the extended factory warranty, it would be a huge plus. The 4wd system is excruciatingly complex. I'd hate to see a repair bill for one. Infiniti had (and continues to have) a MONSTROUS problem with the 1st generation q45's tranny. Kiss your $6K goodbye when than transmission goes, and it will. The drivetrain in the QX4 is a proven one, I'm just making a point about the value of am extended warranty.
Just my $0,000,000,000.02 (That's two cents)
Ace
The car is in nearly perfect shape with no dings, no interior problems. No rust (However, you should know that I did see a similar car, a 97 with 23K on it with rust bubbling on the inside lip of the hood, hmmmm...) The motor's never been touched other than for service. Although I bought it from a non-Infinity dealer, Infinity had the service history in their computer so I knew before I bought it that the miles were correct and that it had been serviced. The date in-service was 9/98 so there are a few months left of the 4-year b-2-b warranty.
Price paid: 23,400 and he wasn't moving from there. I did get a few goodies thrown in, but nothing of any significant financial consequence.
Good luck with your purchase.
Infiniti projects an image of luxury and high-standards. Too bad they can't meet it.
-kj
i'd like to add the fact that i am a completely happy qx4 owner, and i will continue to tout the qx4 to those who consider purchasing it. remember that infiniti_lemon's case is but one of many manufactured and sold qx4's. not only that, but i have had impeccable service as well as clean loaner cars. i guess i take it personal when a problem with a qx4 arises. and in that respect, i have (not so much as previously) the confidence that infiniti/nissan will deal with it in the appropriate manner. i advise anyone who has had a great or horrible experiences with their qx4 to contact infiniti/nissan on infiniti_lemon's behalf to express dissatisfaction with how they've dealt with his case.
on another note, because we live in a topdown business world, we need to address the root of the problem, rather than lay too much blame on the dealers. it sounds like they attempted to fix the problems (barring problems introduced during fixes) but to no avail, following recommended procedures. it's difficult for them to help more when infiniti won't help them. therefore, the vehicle's problems are manufacturer sourced, so it is an issue with the manufacturer.
-kj
kj
ace
Thank you in advance.
left. want new one but getting creamed on trade in. have driven new pathfinder and liked it. anyone tried to re-up their old qx4 lease for new
one? or tried to trade in on other vehicle?
offers for trade in value are around $22k, which seems very low.
Carry on!
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Finally received a letter back from Infiniti in response to my final repair request on the weld problem and the repurchase request (both from @ a month ago). It says that they did a thorough examination of my vehicle and found no problems with it, so they aren't going to do anything. Their previous letter said that the tech rep drove my vehicle on December 4 and found no problems, which is untrue. I guess they are just trying to fool themselves, because they have not done any examination of the vehicle since they gave it back to me on December 1 (other than a few minutes repairing a recall item (ignition ring in interior) on 12/23. I don't know why they are making such outlandish claims.
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I've seen numerous postings basically asking the same thing...but I'd like some advice from all you QX4 owners...
I'm in the market for a new SUV and I have narrowed it down to the Pathfinder LE or the Qx4. I realize they are virtually the same vehicle with the QX4 being the snazzier of the two.
I cannot make up my mind...
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I like the exterior style of the Pathfinder much more than the QX4. The QX4 is just a little too "tarty" for my taste. Although the wheels that come with the premium package look great! I like the wheels on the Pathfinder LE as much.
I love the interior of the QX4 vs. the Pathfinder. I like the "Lexus" like dash, the wood trim (yes, I know its fake) that covers the dash and the console + the leather and wood (I know, fake) steering wheel. The Pathfinder has white gauges, that are apparently all the rage these days, but I don't care for them. I also noticed that the console in the Pathfinder is just plastic...cheap looking plastic @ that. Does anyone know if you can get wood on the console of a Pathfinder as an option?
I haven't studied it much, but based on the postings, it appears that the QX4 does not hold its resale value as well as the Pathfinder. I am looking to finance my purchase, not lease it. I generally keep my cars 5+ years or more, so resale is somewhat important to me. Should I be concerned?
Most of the reviews I have read on the QX4 in car rags, have not been that positive...they generally always end with something to the effect that your better off buying a Pathfinder and saving the extra $$$. Your thoughts?
Is the Infiniti service really worth the extra $$$'s you spend @ time of purchase? I hear a lot of complaints from folks regarding Honda dealers, but I guess I have been spoiled by mine. I didn't feel hassled during the purchase of my Honda Prelude. When you bring your car in for service, they offer a free loaner car (you have to schedule it in advance) and they wash my car each time free of charge. Everybody is friendly, helpful and professional. What does the Infiniti dealer do above this? What am I getting that I am not getting @ my local Honda dealer?
What about the purchasing experience? What is different from Infiniti than say Honda or Toyota? I have several friends that drive Lexus' that just go on and on about how wonderful they were treated during the purchase of their Lexus...what was your experience with Infiniti?
I want to be courteous to my fellow drivers out there and I am a little concerned about the QX4's HID lights. Have you had car drivers complain about the HID's searing the backs of their heads @ red lights, etc...? It really is a concern, believe it or not...
What about insurance costs for the QX4 vs. the Pathfinder?
So please, help me make a decision, your opinions are appreciated! Any other things you can think of that may have been important to you during your decision making process, please share with me.
Thanks!
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The high cost of a 5 mph bumper ding is totally ridiculous, but if you look at the poor excuse for a bumper all plastic, it is not surprising. It is no wonder insurance rate are so high and going higher. It is too bad that you have to buy a German car to get a bumper! Look at the report, not one American or Japanese car makes the grade. That one good thing Jimmy Carter tried to fix with bumper impact standards. We don't even have a height standard. Anybody had their car hood smashed by a 4x4 truck bumper 2 1/2 Ft off the ground. Enough, I get fried thinking about it.
Bottom line, if I had to buy today, it would be the QX4 - mainly for this reason (at least this week!!) I've bought really nice cars in the past from dealers who offer everything from entry level to higher-end cars. What always bothered me was when the mechanic that just finished working on a $12,000 Golf, would then jump to my Corrado SC fully loaded with leather. I always noticed grease and smug marks after repairs. While there's no guarantee, I would rather pay $3000 more for the QX4 and know the mechanics respect the dollars people spend on their autos and treats the cars accordingly. I'll keep you posted as I get closer to my purchase.
on a seperate note why is the topic nissan infiniti QX4 not just Infiniti QX4
Thought of something I forgot to ask. Does anyone out there have a QX4 that does NOT have a moonroof? I noted its an option on the QX4 (Standard on the Pathfinder LE). I don't want or need one....but seems every QX4 I look at, has one. I rarely open mine on my Prelude...to me its just one more thing to rattle...Are they that hard to find without a moonroof?
Thanks again!
So now I have proof that I've lost value, dealership repair orders that indentify frame repair, and the overwhelming feeling that it's time to get a lawyer. Actually was contacted by 2 dealerships from other parts of the country who saw my site and said they were shocked to see Infiniti acting like they are in my case. Both of them advised me to get a lawyer. I am looking into it immediately.
Not only is it an issue of being a lemon, but now I know that I have a factory defect that evidence of the repair itself diminishes the vehicle's value by several thousands of dollars. I remember asking the service manager at Marietta Infiniti how this repair affected the value. he told me "well, you'd have to point out the area for anyone to notice." Yeah, right. It was the first thing the appraisal guy saw when he popped the hood.
going to update this stuff on my site soon.
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What caused the mildew smell in the A/C?
I hope your taking pictures to document all of your troubles!
You probably should have stuck with the the dealer you purchased it from...by leaving them and going to another dealer, you let them off the hook...should be their responsibility. Besides, the more pressure you apply to them the more likely you are to be "heard"...what incentive does Marietta Infiniti have to work with you? I'd go back to Troncalli...they will see you coming and hopefully, think "jeez..he's back...what do we gotta do to get him off our backs?"
I might be naive, but have you tried the BBB?
What about Consumer Reporters on your local TV stations? All the major networks in Houston have a consumer reporter or group that help folks in the community with issues such as yours. If a local TV crew showed up @ the Dealer asking embarrassing questions, you might see how quick they come running to your assistance.
Have you e.mailed your web-address to the dealer and Corporate? You should get the e.mail addresses of the various folks your dealing with @ Infiniti and e.mail them the web site too.
Good luck to you...like I said, you've given me food for thought....sounds like you got a lemon to me...just not sure I can conclude that they are all as bad as yours sounds.
Best of luck!
• as for noticing some of the problems before buying, none of them were apparent until later. The scratchy dash glass only showed up one day when sun hit it through the moonroof. The technical rep from Infiniti told me that it looked bad and needed replacment. The roof rack is intermittent, popping up at only certain speeds. The flaky dash panel degraded over time until I noticed it. Believe me, I looked at the vehicle VERY carefully before I purchased.
• the mildew smell is something that the dealership called "common." They daid they deal with it all the time- basically moisture in the AC system.
• pictures are available on my site
• As for staying with the purchasing dealer, I left because the service was horrible. The people I dealt with their were not very courteous, and there was basically no follow-through. Also, the loaner cars were so dirty it was embarrassing. Plus, I thought that I might get better service moving to another dealership. As for Marietta Infiniti working with me, I expected them to be honest and do a decent job. Right now my main focus is the manufacturer, because the defects are factory-borne- especially the loose body joint that was re-welded. The dealers are also a major part of the problem, but I am after the manufacturer for resolution.
• I have read plenty of negative info about the BBB autoline to not head in that direction. Right now I am weighing options, and have been lining up a lawyer with the recent revelation about the diminished value.
• I am in the process of contacting consumer advocates. Will let this board know if anything there happens.
• Have sent the company my details. I've also been contacted by dealers in other parts of the country who are trying to help. I've been told by 2 Infiniti dealers today that I should get a lawyer.
• I am not claiming that all Nissan/Infiniti products are bad. Just pointing out to all of you folks how a guy that ends up with a lemon is being treated by this company. One of the Infiniti delaers I spoke to today said he would be "livid" if in my shoes.
thanks!!
Let me throw in again another way to look the pricing and a definate way to save money on the purchase. Consider going to Canada to buy. I did it in September and regular readers have followed posts from over 20 others who have done it since. The US dollar is still very strong against the Canadian dollar. I did a lot of research and calling and found dealers willing to sell just above their cost. A QX4 AWD with Premium, Sport, and sunroof sells for about $32,000. A Pathfinder LE AWD with leather goes for just over $28,000.
It really is not difficult at all to do. I've seen people from one coast to the other do it. I had posted some details above at #330, but just email me for more information. I'll be glad to help.
-Jon
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-found out today that not only does the weld problem affect the value, but might impair the use and safety as well, since the vehicle's body is no longer as-designed, and the repair might affect how the body and airbag react to a collision.
I like the idea of going to Canada to purchase a vehicle if it involved significant savings except for all the vehicles in Canada have those damn daytime running lights that I abhor.
The Canadian comment did make me think of something else. Did anyone pay at or above sticker for their QX4? A lot of the sights I've reviewed indicate that there is a large supply of QX4's and not a huge demand, which means significant deals on them. True?
Thanks everyone!
You can disconnect just one wire to turn off the DRL's. And you should find the savings to be pretty good. The US dealer invoice is $34,899 and list is $38,525 for the vehicle I mentioned above. At the right dealers, they will sell in Canada for just about $32,000 even (including duty). Let me know if you want to check it out. It sounds too good to be true, but that's the way it really is.
-Jon
Our salesperson just called to offer a 2001 4-wheel drive QX4 with the sunroof and premium packages (everything but the heated seats and limited slip, which is the Sport package) for $500/mo (all-in including tax, etc.) for 48 months, otherwise same terms as existing lease(15k and $.12 per mile over), but nothing down (other than first months payment), no bank fee, no doc/acquisition fee, no cap cost reduction, etc. and they will take us out of our existing QX4 lease cost free (even tho we're now 6,000 miles over the 15K annumal allowance), no termination charge, etc.
Seems like a great deal to get rid of the current 6,000 excess miles free and to upgrade to new car with vastly-improved 240HP engine, Xenon lights, memory seats, steering wheel audio controls, upgraded interior, etc., since we'd otherwise still be paying $438 for another 14 months to drive the old QX4.
Any thoughts?
The price of $32,775 for the qx4 with premium package, sunroof and rear wind deflector includes all charges except taxes, tag and title. The destination charge is included. When the dealer mentioned advertising fees, I refused to pay. The salesman dropped the issue.
Where are you in price with everything except tax tag and title?
You may consider purchasing the car with infiniti's promotional 3.9% apr. In passing, i.e. no negotiating, I was quoted a lease price of about $520 a month for 48 months, no money down (I am not sure if that included taxes). I thought it was better to buy the car. With such a good finance rate, I didn't even put any money down.
Let me know if you need anymore help.
A QX4 fan,
Jimmydelray
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The lease terms were also good for this price range. 39 months, 48,750 miles for $504/month, $1700 sign and drive (inc. sec deposit, first months pymt, license and 300 cap cost red.)
if they are on an infiniti lot, look for those which are "certified" with extended warranty terms. the original warranty has, or is about to, expire at 4yrs. i don't think that anyone has been complaining about anything particular to the '97's. my '98 had its brakes, all 4 (rotors and drums), go bad at 8K miles. it was treated as a defect and repaired under warranty.
the old 3.3 engine is probably a hard sell at this point given the much more powerful suv's put there.
look for a low mileage '97 for just under or over $20K. don't believe the asking prices they're probably in the $24K range, which is a total joke!
good luck,
ace
While recounting my story to a lawyer this past week, I remembered that after the first bit of welding in late October, I put a call into Consumer Affairs. I asked if the repair affected the value and structural integrity of the vehicle. Steve Torres in Consumer Affairs called me and told me that the weld actually made the vehicle sturdier, and there was NO affect on the value. While it is now apparent that they were completely wrong about the value aspect, how could Consumer Affairs know what affect the repair had on the integrity of the frame?
I feel that Infiniti should have known that a repair like that would affect at least the value. Why did they tell me different? Is this why the service manager at my dealership told me that if another QX4 came in with this problem he would "keep it to himself" about how it was repaired?
Where is the customer service that this company so touts?
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i've had it since it was launched and for the past few months it lived up to its reputation.
the best part about this car is
FIT AND FINISH
RELIABILITY
POWER (enough power to do the job i should say)
SERVICE
OVERALL QUALITY
i'm sorry to hear about the "individual case" of that lemon and the customer service to that individual. wish you the best of luck. but i'd like to mention that i got a good discount on my vehicle and the dealer still replaced the QX4 logo on my vehicle twice for free becuase it got stolen. my point is service has been great in general.
i am a very picky person interms of cars and mechanical issues in general. but this car did
well to more than satisfy me.
i am also an x-owner of a 98 pathfinder
and a current owner of a 95 maxima
so my experience is not based on the past two months but based on few years with nissan/infiniti.
i still wish the lemon guy the best of luck and i would not expect anything but a full refund for his case if all that he's claiming is true.
For the people who chose the QX4 over the pathfinder becuase it was worth the money due to better handling....please not that the QX4 has the same handling and suspension as the Pathdiner as far as i know. but you are right about the extra insulation and few extra features. it also has the same engine and transmition.
Best Regards