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Buick Rendezvous

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  • barresa11barresa11 Posts: 277
    Hey, being that you were involved w/the engineering of the Rendezvous, could you address the concerns about the potentially devastating crash test results. I say this because both the Rendezvous and Aztek are based on the Montana/Venture/Silouette minivan platforms. These vans did horrendously in the crash tests and frankly GM should be ashamed. Afterall, these vans are marketed to families. Based on my limited (admittedly) knowledge of the structural integrity of the Aztek/Rendezvous, I couldn't, in good faith, recommend these vehicles to people that I care about.

    Stephen
  • A couple of notes...I read in an auto magazine that the Rendezvous will be in the $27,000 price range. Does anyone else think GM needs to put larger wheels on this car? I think the ones they show now look a bit small, especially the rear ones. Larger wheels, IMO, would look a lot better and more distinctive.

    PS Does anyone know if OLds is going to get a version of this car? Yes, I know Olds has the Bravada but I'm thinking of a scaled down sub-Ute like these based off the same platform.
  • bporter1bporter1 Posts: 229
    From what I have read, there will be no Olds version. There may possibly be a Chevy version though.
  • gmdrone, thanks for the honest update on the Rendevous! It's nice to get a "balanced" view from an insider. Like many of the others, on paper, this SUV looks like a perfect fit for me, but I'm concerned about the rediculously low horsepower engine for a 4000 pound, all wheel drive vehicle, along with the miserable crash test results of this platform's minivan. It's hard for me to imagine a corporation with century old brands like Buick and Oldsmobile, letting them continue to go down the drain by offering a new vehicle with an engine completely outclassed by the competition.
  • bporter1bporter1 Posts: 229
    I agree with that statement 100%.
  • In all honesty, I cannot address the structure of the platform from a standpoint of crashworthiness. I CAN say that the Rendevous and Aztek have shorter wheelbases than the U-van (Montana, etc.. That in itself would say that the structure is enhanced, as well as the new reinforcements necessary to handle the all-wheel drive option on both of these vehicles. Remember that the Insurance Institutes tests have some serious real world problems, that is, no two collisions are the same and there are some non-survivable scenarios out there that just don't ever make it into the testing field. That said, I drove a pilot Rendevous the other day, with all-wheel drive, and I was pleasantly surprised with the performance of the 3.4. It rode 100% BETTER than all of the Aztecs I have been in, and seemed to have more oomph as well. I'll keep you people updated as I drive more of them. I hope the Buick gets to market with as few quality problems as the Aztec, if it does, (I'm pretty sure it will), we should have a nice alternative to the mini-vans.
  • gmdrone, if you're still out there, do you know if the SAAB version of the Rendevouz is going to have have the GM Europe 3.0L engine and if it is going to be built in the US or Sweden? Also, have you heard how assembly of the 2002 Envoy is going? As well as you said the Aztek was being assembled? Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving!
  • Manke, as far as I know, the only engine available will be the 3.4l. The Saab will be built in Ramos, alongside the Aztek and Rendevous. It will not be marketed in Sweden, only in the USA. Speaking of the 2002 Envoy, I have recently been assigned to the extended wheelbase version of that vehicle, to be built in Shreveport, LA. This will be my first experience with a truck platform, so stay tuned for further developments...
  • Thanks for the update. In the brochure I've got, the '02 Envoy looks good. Since two out of the three kids are now on their own, we don't need the extended length.
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    Does anyone know when the 02 Envoy is coming out? All I have read says early spring. My local Buick dealer says March would be the absolute earliest that he might get a Rendezvous and then mentioned his waiting list again. I was content the Rendezvous would satisfy my needs and I would wait. Now I may have to compare it with the envoy. The new Envoy/Bravada engine sounds evolutionary. My Jimmy loves gasoline and gas milage is a very important factor in my selection of its replacement. Does anyone know the city/hwy milage for the Envoy? All I read is 20.6 average.
  • I think the milage for the Envoy is suppose to be 16/21. I was told that the Envoy is to go into production in January with actual vehicles hitting in February. It appears this will be the first of the Envoy/Bravada/Trailblazer trio to arrive.
  • Where is the place the Aztec/Rendevous are being built? Email me please.
  • Two weeks ago I saw a Rendezvous at our local Buick dealer in Madison WI. I was very impressed!! It had a lot of head room in all the seats (3rd row seating was not in the car I saw) and the second row of seats were very comfortable. More length to the seat itself which has been absent from other GM SUVs. It sounds like it will have three option pkgs and it will come with AWD or just FWD and all leather or a leather/cloth combo.
    All in all it was a sharp looking car with a lot of functionality. I hope to be in one sooner rather then later.
  • What is the name of the Buick store in Madison..does it begin with a Z? I am very curious to see one up close and in person..
  • Yes, the Rendezvous I saw in Madison was at the "Z" dealership. They only had it for the one day that I saw it and it was only a touring display model. Talking to the dealer rep it sounds like there won't be any ready for delivery until this spring or early summer. However, if you are in the S.E. Wisconsin area I'd recommend going to the Chicago auto show in mid-February at the McCormick Place center to see a Rendezvous up close.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    This weeks Auto World has a front cover feature story on the Rendezvous. Very positive article and there were also some Buick sponsored advertisement in the issue. Highly recommend picking up a copy if you are interested in this vehicle.
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    I never liked a column shift much either. But the GMC Jimmy I now drive came with one and I have learned to appreciate it. I have much more room in the console area for storage, cup holders, etc. I now believe it not nearly as sporty but far more functional on the column.

    I do not know why Buick made the choice to put it on the column but the first thing that comes to my mind is that it may be cheaper to produce
    staying as close to the mini van format.

    Anyway those are my thoughts.
  • Thanks for the info. Actually, I will probably get to see one up close and personal before most as I work for a buick store in chicago. When you said Z had one, I almost hit the roof seeing as we are one of the largest dealers in the zone. If they got one before us, that would not make me happy. Anyway, for those interested, I have some preliminary pricing on them. Base model will start at about 28K. The fully loaded with moonroof, chrome wheels, versatrac, etc. will come in about 34K. More info as I get it.
  • What dealership do you work for?? When the Rendezvous comes in let me know... maybe we can work something out. I am interested to see how this car will stack up against the new Envoy, Bravada and Trailblazer. Do you have any idea how these will compare?
  • Is Rendezvous currently being production?

    When will it show up at dealers show room?

    Will we have a long wait list like MDX?

    $29~$34k is a little bit high than expected,
    any chance to be lower?

    Thanks.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Keep in mind those prices are list. I have never paid anywhere near list before for a GM vehicle. The Acura is another story.
  • Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts? I have been somewhat seriously car shopping for over ten months and finally believe that I have narrowed down my choices. The third row is a necessity and a minivan is not an option (my wife hates them). I live in the Northwest so some type of 4 wheel drive is desireable. I should note that my mother is a retired GM employee so I get a price break if I go with "The General." Here is what I have narrowed my choices down to:

    Buick Rendezvous - may be the perfect vehicle for the minivan demographic that hates minivans. I am however, a little disconcerted that pricing may be too high. I don't think that the Rendezvous should be over $30K, especially equipped with such a pedestrian motor (the competition all have 200+ HP). However, if Buick can offer the Rendezvous decently equipped for less than $27K, It will probably be my next car!

    Chevy Tahoe - Modestly optioned, you can get one for about $30K, although I'd rather not go that high. I like the size, ride, power, and overall feeling of command over lesser mortals I feel while driving it. My wife thinks it's too big but I could probably talk her into it.

    Suzuki XL-7 - I recently test drove one and was very impressed. The interior materials are a little cheap and the seating is a little lacking in legroom (regardless of configuration). I am 5'8" and I had the driver seat all the way back for a perfect fit. The 3rd row leg room is quite a compromise but, I would not use them often. Pricing is only about $23K so it is a contender.

    2002 Trailblazer - I thought this was going to be THE ONE until I discovered that the 3rd row won't be available for another year...bummer!

    2002 Explorer - Good interior design and execution. Gets expensive with quickly with minimal options. Questionable reliability.

    Durango - See above. Cheap interior materials. Bad safety rating.

    Mazda MPV - I like this car a lot, especially with the tan leather interior and wood trimmed dash. It is airy and bright, without being too big. Costs about $22K nicely loaded. Maybe if I show my wife a red one...
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    My only turn-off with the 02 Trailblazer/Envoy they only will run on Super gasoline. Otherwise they would be my choice.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Where did you read that it will only take premium gas? Just wondering.
  • gmdronegmdrone Posts: 78
    Sorry, I've been chasing warm sun for a few weeks, and I didn't take either laptop with me, BUT I've missed reading posts, especially on the Aztek board, I can't believe those people don't have any life.... Rendevous is in pilot now at Ramos, preliminary sources say it is going well, better than the Aztek, and that is good news for Buick! Envoy third seat, unfortunately is going to be somewhat of a joke, similar to third row in Rendevous, only amputees and small children should apply, as I haven't discovered where the designers want you to put your feet! (I'm 6'2"). As far as the Envoy/Trailblazer requiring premium fuel for the new in-line six, I find that one difficult to swallow, unless my cohorts at Powertrain have completely lost their crainial functions!
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    I have read so many articals it is difficult for me to remember. I think it was on the brochure that GM is sending out on the new 2002 Envoy. I do not have the brochure anymore, but I will keep looking through the other things when I get time.

    Gmdrone, you have the best source of direct information. Let us know if I am mixed up. If I am I will put the Envoy back into the equation.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    Silverados are built in

    Fort wayne indiana (where mine was built and my home state)
    Michigan
    Canada

    None are built in mexico

    Ryan
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    I have read so many articals it is difficult for me to remember. I think it was on the brochure that GM is sending out on the new 2002 Envoy. I do not have the brochure anymore, but I will keep looking through the other things when I get time.

    Gmdrone, you have the best source of direct information. Let us know if I am mixed up. If I am I will put the Envoy back into the equation.
  • buzzbo99buzzbo99 Posts: 111
    Where ever I read the fuel millage on the Envoy it said premium unleaded beside the figures. I was sure of my facts but under close scrutany I must stand corrected.

    Now I read the engine allows the use of regular unleaded gasoline and less frequent oil changes.

    check out http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/000811-3htm
    Sorry about that. Keep me straight.

    Gmdrone, you don't have to bother your frinds.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    buzz: I'm glad to hear that. GM is very good at producing high tech engines that don't need premium fuel. The DOHC 3.5L in my Intrigue uses regular fuel and has a timing chain as opposed to a belt so much less in the way cost to run and maintain.
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