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She ended up giving it to her son, and I think she went with a RAV-4, and retired soon after that. I think the son wrecked the Vision, not long after that.
I don't know what my attitude would have been like, as a car buyer in the 50's or 60's, but I tend to keep cars a pretty long time. If a division was going to shut down, like Olds, Pontiac, Plymouth, or Mercury, I wouldn't be afraid to still buy one, since the parent company is still around. It would hurt resale, but as long as I usually keep a car, that's not a big deal. My main concern would be if the parent company went under, and parts/maintenance/repair support could become a potential problem.
Heck, I guess the fact I bought a 2000 Intrepid shows that I'm not really concerned about resale! It was pretty common knowledge back then that they depreciated pretty quickly. But, I liked the car, and thought it was a good price, and the 0.9% financing cinched the deal.
However, back then the 2.7 V6 was new enough, that all of its problems hadn't really had time to surface yet. If that engine had that reputation at the time, I wouldn't have bought the car. Although in its defense, I never had any issues with the 2.7 in my car, in the 150,000 miles I had it. They were prone to sludging, although from what I've heard you had to really abuse/neglect them for that to be an issue. And I think the problem was worse in transverse applications, such as the 2001 Stratus/Sebring sedans and convertible.
With a lot of those orphan makes, like DeSoto, Edsel, Studebaker, etc, I think the allure of getting one of the final models didn't really happen until years later, when people started seeking them out as collectibles.
One "final year" model that I owned, was a 1989 Plymouth Gran Fury ex-police car. I've heard some of the old-timers say that the M-body was the last "True Mopar." They didn't consider the FWD cars to be "True Mopars." And, I had mentioned my old Gran Fury a few weeks back, in some forum on Facebook, and someone responded that they'd LOVE to have an '89 M-body. I just told him, too bad I didn't know ya at the time, but that was 20 years ago that I got rid of it! That's also different, in being the last year of an individual model, rather than a whole division, so not nearly as significant.
And technically, my Ram is the final year that they were "Dodge Rams" rather than just "Rams." 2012 was the year they started to transition. And they took the word "Dodge" off of the truck almost everywhere, except one spot...a little plastic insert tray in the top of the dashboard. It still says "DODGE." The next year, they changed them to say "RAM". And, according to the Motor Vehicle Administration, it's listed as a "Dodge." I wonder if the 2013 and newer ones actually get registered as "Ram"?
Thanks for posting that Caprice. I love those cars in profile and I definitely believe the mileage based on the interior.
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I can't say I remember square headlights in '80, but then I really didn't pay much attention to trucks while I was regularly visiting the Chevy dealers in my hometown and also the small town in which I went to college, then.
Color-wise, this one looks like a dead ringer for my great-uncle's truck. Not the best image in the world, but I don't have a Pinterest account, so I wasn't able to get a really good pic of it.
The color is fairly close.
On the streets of San Diego-a first gen CRX and a Citroen DS, both in good condition.
It also showed up at least twice in "Barnaby Jones." Once, in "The Loose Connection," after being disabled by a hit from a '60-62 Valiant, they show his '73 LTD being towed through the tunnel. And in another episode, "A Gathering of Thieves," a Ford pickup chases an early 60's Comet, and knocks it down the embankment to the left of where that Citroen is parked...
(I'm jesting; don't look for it.)
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Those are awful looking that' year that year. Obviously just parts hung onto a 1960 Ford.
I like seeing Edsels since I remember them live. My English Latin teacher had the first model. One day it wouldn't go into reverse to back out ofgarage so she was late to school.
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Best instrument panel of all GM divisions that year IMHO too.
That Edsel looks much better as a wagon
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Is there a way to find how much it sold for?
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When there were 6 of us going somewher, I had to sit onthe console.
I think that big round gauge is a tach.
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Gosh, I wanted one of those back in my youth. What is it with me and British cars? Oh, yeah; mid 60's red E-Type convertible.
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Sadly, he sold it before moving to Phoenix, and he drove a G-Body Grand Prix.
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A modern-day BMW convertible just, surprisingly, cost me many pretty pennies out of warranty.
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Meanwhile, the '60 Edsel offered 2- and 4-door sedans, 2- and 4-door hardtops, the convertible, and the wagon. And, it was on a slightly longer wheelbase than a Ford, although it was only an inch. And I remember awhile back, someone here pointing out that they could have just moved the axle back a bit on the spring, to accomplish that. While I imagine most of the modifications to an Edsel vs a Ford were just tack-on stuff, the rear quarter panels definitely had to be different, to accommodate those taillights. And the hood was different. With DeSoto, I think they gave it that bulge with the upper "grille," so that it could use the same hood as a Chrysler, and I'm pretty sure the other changes were extremely minimal.
Seems to me that it cost an awful lot to offer a full range of body styles for the Edsel, but maybe it really wasn't as expensive as my mind is making it out to be. Plus, even though the Edsel's failure cost Ford a lot of money, they had deeper pockets than Mopar did.
I agree, lots of work for Edsel production ending in (I think) Nov. '59.
I didn't know, or didn't remember, that the Edsel had a longer wheelbase than the Ford. One inch? There's a "why bother?", LOL.
Fintail pointed out, correctly, that the rear glass was different in a '60 Edsel four-door hardtop, than the Ford. That's cool too, but a bit odd.
Are the rear quarters really different? I guess I never looked that close. From the back, you can see where the Ford taillights would have been. I think there's even a seam there, but I should check before posting that.
EDIT: Edsel had a relatively small decklid, but you're right--the quarters include those top-of-the-taillight bulges. Hanging around Stude so long, I'm not accustomed to quarters with that much at the top of the sides.
Still, it was a nice touch, to give the Edsel 4-door hardtop a different look from the Galaxie.
And yeah, the 1" difference in wheelbase is a bit of an oddity. I doubt it's enough to make anybody notice. Even with my '67 Catalina, vs an Executive or Bonneville, I don't really notice the 3" difference in wheelbase, unless I see the two parked side by side. But even then, I think it's the extension of the rear overhang itself that makes the Executive/Bonneville look bigger, not necessarily just the added wheelbase.
They could use the same chassis.
The only pic I saw was of the body on a lift, a couple feet above the frame, so I don't know off-kilter it looked when he put it on the frame. But he did mention that if it looked too far off, he'd figure something else out.
People were giving him a hard time for doing this swap, complaining that he was ruining the Plymouth. But, then he showed some pictures of how far gone the Plymouth was when he got it. It truly was a labor of love, and craftsmanship, bringing it back from the dead like that. I imagine most people would have just junked it, so it's cool, in my opinion, that he put the effort forth to save it.
I thought it was interesting that they actually bothered to alter the door. Going back to the '67 Pontiac as an example, the longer cars used the same back doors as the Catalina. They just added 3" in the rear quarter panel, in that spot between the back edge of the door and the rear wheel opening.
I've seen some Australian Fords, where they'd extend the wheelbase by much more than just 2-3" to make a luxurious model. But the longer car would use the same rear doors as the shorter one, and the result was a bit odd. Here's one example of what I'm thinking of...
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