Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

xwesx

sda said:

I found this to be very interesting. I like Savagegeese.

Amazing. I am surprised that the stated weight, with a vehicle that has that massive of a battery pack, is just under 7,000#. That's only about 500# heavier than my Q7 TDI. I've always been intrigued by the R1S. I thought about doing a pre-order on one back in 2021 or whenever that was, but then, like now, I cannot bring myself to commit that much cash to an automobile.

However, thinking about the possibility of road-tripping in one, if I could run 350-400 miles per charge, I could probably get away with a single charge stop per driving day, with overnight charge to bring me back to 100%. That would still change our trip dynamics dramatically, though, as we now often stop at places where electricity isn't an option during the night.

After my weekend, though, where I spent a good amount of time doing vehicle recoveries with my Q7, I see the frunk on that R1S and all I can imagine is how perfect that would be to hold all of my recovery and emergency gear.

xwesx

Just for reference, even small vehicles, such as the Crosstrek, weigh about 3,500# these days, and heavy duty pickups weigh between 8,500 and 9,500# (mostly depending on engine and drivetrain choices). The wiring and safety equipment (such as airbags) just add so much weight!

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I like T/H and I think this review is clever and dead on point. I really wanted to like the new M5 but no way did I think the thing would weigh 5,390 pounds. As I said on FB, I have a very hard time calling a vehicle that massive a "sports sedan."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Q_dlfQFyg

That’s about 800 lbs. more than my F-150.😩

nyccarguy

xwesx said:

sda said:

I found this to be very interesting. I like Savagegeese.

Amazing. I am surprised that the stated weight, with a vehicle that has that massive of a battery pack, is just under 7,000#. That's only about 500# heavier than my Q7 TDI. I've always been intrigued by the R1S. I thought about doing a pre-order on one back in 2021 or whenever that was, but then, like now, I cannot bring myself to commit that much cash to an automobile.

However, thinking about the possibility of road-tripping in one, if I could run 350-400 miles per charge, I could probably get away with a single charge stop per driving day, with overnight charge to bring me back to 100%. That would still change our trip dynamics dramatically, though, as we now often stop at places where electricity isn't an option during the night.

After my weekend, though, where I spent a good amount of time doing vehicle recoveries with my Q7, I see the frunk on that R1S and all I can imagine is how perfect that would be to hold all of my recovery and emergency gear.

After my weekend, though, where I spent a good amount of time doing vehicle recoveries with my Q7, I see the frunk on that R1S and all I can imagine is how perfect that would be to hold all of my recovery and emergency gear

Between the cold, the sheer amount of pulling power it takes to get someone back on the road, & the weight of all of your recovery gear, I don't think the Range of the R1S would be anywhere near as advertised.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

Jeebus! I don’t think our ‘99 Expedition weighed that much.

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Yeah, but your Expedition only had a small 12 volt battery…50 pounds max.

jmonroe

But it had twice as many seats.

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But unoccupied seats don’t add weight.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
I guess you've never taken the 3rd row seat out of an Expedition.

roadburner

@xwesx said:
Just for reference, even small vehicles, such as the Crosstrek, weigh about 3,500# these days, and heavy duty pickups weigh between 8,500 and 9,500# (mostly depending on engine and drivetrain choices). The wiring and safety equipment (such as airbags) just add so much weight!

According to Car and Driver my C43 weighs 3,877 pounds- a 2025 M240i xDrive weighs the same, which was another reason (in addition to the ugly exterior and cheap looking interior) I removed the new 2er from consideration.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe1,
I guess you've never taken the 3rd row seat out of an Expedition.

Yeah, one of the biggest reasons we swapped the Expedition out for the '02 Explorer was to get the "fold into the floor" third row.

It took two people to wrestle the third row out of the Expedition.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe1,
I guess you've never taken the 3rd row seat out of an Expedition.

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I’ve never even been in an Expedition. So how could I have rearranged the furniture in one?

jmonroe

tjc78

@Michaell said:
Yeah, one of the biggest reasons we swapped the Expedition out for the '02 Explorer was to get the "fold into the floor" third row.

It took two people to wrestle the third row out of the Expedition.

My Mom had a 92 Caravan. Those seats were beasts as well.

Funny story on that van. It was a 92 beige over beige. Short wheel base and about as base as you could find. 2.5 4cyl, manual everything. I think the only “option” it had was AC.

Anyway - I was a new driver in 1995 and I drove 7 of us back from a funeral in the dead of summer. AC blasting and there was a pretty decent incline. That van nearly didn’t make it up the hill… about half way up my uncle from the third row shouts “I’d shut the AC off I were you”. Good advice it certainly helped.

pensfan83

So, any GLI within 100 miles that's worth a look is either white, silver (not Pure Gray), or black. Two of those colors are already in the fleet and I don't want black.

Michaell

@pensfan83 said:
So, any GLI within 100 miles that's worth a look is either white, silver (not Pure Gray), or black. Two of those colors are already in the fleet and I don't want black.

I’m actually keying on white GLIs

nyccarguy

@pensfan83 said:
So, any GLI within 100 miles that's worth a look is either white, silver (not Pure Gray), or black. Two of those colors are already in the fleet and I don't want black.

What are you looking for? Blue or Red?

qbrozen

On the topic of weight, I’ve got the 1800-lb Suzuki and 2700-lb Alfa.

nyccarguy

@qbrozen said:
On the topic of weight, I’ve got the 1800-lb Suzuki and 2700-lb Alfa.

I was thinking of you earlier. I saw a RHD Mitsubishi Pajero Mini chugging northbound on I95.

qbrozen

@nyccarguy said:

@qbrozen said:
On the topic of weight, I’ve got the 1800-lb Suzuki and 2700-lb Alfa.

I was thinking of you earlier. I saw a RHD Mitsubishi Pajero Mini chugging northbound on I95.

On the highway is bold. Haha.
Would have to be a turbo manual for me to brave I95.

fintail

roadburner said:

I like T/H and I think this review is clever and dead on point. I really wanted to like the new M5 but no way did I think the thing would weigh 5,390 pounds. As I said on FB, I have a very hard time calling a vehicle that massive a "sports sedan."

A thousand pounds more than my wagon and just over a ton more than the fintail. Wild.

sda

Out of curiosity I found the Arteon is about 3900 lbs and the Passat about 3500 lbs.

Michaell

sda said:

Out of curiosity I found the Arteon is about 3900 lbs and the Passat about 3500 lbs.

AWD adds a couple of hundred pounds alone.

Just looked at my master spec sheet - the Outback comes in at a svelte 3800 pounds, the Sportage HEV is 3750.

stickguy

my truck weighs less than that. only 3,700#

corvette

Ariya - 4,323 pounds
Maverick - 3,731 pounds

The Ariya definitely feels like it has more heft, despite having smaller dimensions, and is quieter inside, but I think its acceleration performance is slightly quicker. The Maverick's ride quality is better overall.

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

@Michaell said:

Yeah, one of the biggest reasons we swapped the Expedition out for the '02 Explorer was to get the "fold into the floor" third row.

It took two people to wrestle the third row out of the Expedition.

My Mom had a 92 Caravan. Those seats were beasts as well.

Funny story on that van. It was a 92 beige over beige. Short wheel base and about as base as you could find. 2.5 4cyl, manual everything. I think the only “option” it had was AC.

Anyway - I was a new driver in 1995 and I drove 7 of us back from a funeral in the dead of summer. AC blasting and there was a pretty decent incline. That van nearly didn’t make it up the hill… about half way up my uncle from the third row shouts “I’d shut the AC off I were you”. Good advice it certainly helped.

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I’ve followed my share of slow pokes going up hills here in the Winter and I’ve found myself praying that they’d turn off their radio’s.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

my truck weighs less than that. only 3,700#

My lightest vehicle is the Kia Soul but I’ll be danged if I can find a definitive weight. Somewhere between 2900 and 3200 pounds. I’ll have to dig the title out later and check. I assume the manual is a bit lighter than the automatic.

kyfdx

4151 lbs - Macan (261 hp)
2976 lbs - Cayman S (295 hp)
3062 lbs - GTI (220 hp)

imidazol97

@oldfarmer50 said:
My lightest vehicle is the Kia Soul but I’ll be danged if I can find a definitive weight. Somewhere between 2900 and 3200 pounds. I’ll have to dig the title out later and check. I assume the manual is a bit lighter than the automatic.

Take your Soul to a farm elevator. I took the Cobalt to a local country, farm elevator and they weighed it for me, with a smile. Son's AP physics teacher had them do an experiment to determine its mass by some formula related to Newton's Law. I wanted to see how close they were. To the real mass.

tjc78

Here is a funny one -

My EQE is right around 5200 pounds depending where you look

The Ram 1500 as equipped is 5200 pounds.

Crazy

sda

While waiting for mom's CR-V to be serviced I walked the lot and found a few interesting items. A clean LaCrosse with 70k. A tired Prelude but still solid.

kyfdx

I love that generation of Prelude

sda

And they wonder why Accord sales are down. They need a hardy thump on the head.

sda

Interesting to find out who makes some of the Honda transmission fluid.

stickguy

Yeah, no

sda

Operator error, sigh

explorerx4

They have the addendum sticker designed to look like it's part of the real window sticker.
Sneaky.

laurasdada

The A7 PHEV is big boned: 4,773 lbs!
Oh dem batteries!

But overall, the A7 line is far from the Twiggy class.

explorerx4

Mustang is listed @3327 lbs curb weight and the Explorer @4700.

qbrozen

@explorerx4 said:
Mustang is listed @3327 lbs curb weight and the Explorer @4700.

That’s interesting. My 2014 ‘mustang GT was a porky 3500. What’s the specs on yours again?

qbrozen

On the other end of the spectrum, my QP is 4400, s90 is 4800, and my Sierra is 5100. The sprinter busts 5600 (actually lighter than I thought).

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
It's a 91 GT Convertible, so heavier than the coupe or hatchback.

oldfarmer50

sda said:

While waiting for mom's CR-V to be serviced I walked the lot and found a few interesting items. A clean LaCrosse with 70k. A tired Prelude but still solid.

What was the price on that Buick, maybe nycarguy could get it for his son and pick up the Prelude for himself.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Mustang is listed @3327 lbs curb weight and the Explorer @4700.

My Mustang is 3635 and the Kia title says it’s 3088.

oldfarmer50

sda said:

And they wonder why Accord sales are down. They need a hardy thump on the head.

It’s unbelievable that dealers are still pulling that ADM nonsense but having dealt with a Honda dealer recently I can tell you that they seem to feel entitled to charge whatever they want. Maybe Honda customers are conditioned to just lay down.

pensfan83

kyfdx said:

I love that generation of Prelude

I looked at one before ending up with my 1997. What it lacks in power it makes up for in the "fun to drive" factor, especially those with the mechanical four wheel steering.

sda

File under the category: No good deed goes unpunished, everything is a struggle. During my drive home from having mom’ s 2010 CR-V serviced at Honda, the TPMS light came on. Grrr. I stopped by my house and checked the tire pressure. All were spot on. I guess one of the battery powered tire sensors has failed. They are original. I have an appointment with Discount Tire next Saturday . Of note, the tires were replaced in 2017 at 65k mi. It currently has 76k.

au1994

Rather than argue with the idiots just employ the ‘one price, OTD’ negotiation method. That way I (generally) don’t care if they’ve charged me 199 for a cargo tray. I hate it in principle, but I’ve learned it’s not worth negotiating with idiots after a certain point. If I pay what I want to pay and it somehow helps a sales dude hit a monthly spiff, so be it.

corvette

sda said:

I have an appointment with Discount Tire next Saturday . Of note, the tires were replaced in 2017 at 65k mi. It currently has 76k.

Might be worth having them replace all four sensors, if they're original to the car and if DT has that many in stock.

roadburner

318ti: 2800 lbs
C43: 3877 lbs
Wrangler 4xe: 5500 lbs
X1: 3824 lbs

sda

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:

While waiting for mom's CR-V to be serviced I walked the lot and found a few interesting items. A clean LaCrosse with 70k. A tired Prelude but still solid.

What was the price on that Buick, maybe nycarguy could get it for his son and pick up the Prelude for himself.

oldfarmer50 said:

sda said:

While waiting for mom's CR-V to be serviced I walked the lot and found a few interesting items. A clean LaCrosse with 70k. A tired Prelude but still solid.

What was the price on that Buick, maybe nycarguy could get it for his son and pick up the Prelude for himself.

The Buick is a 2011, $10300.00. Clean Fax, but spent most of its life until 2020 near Naperville, IL. Rust?.

oldfarmer50

sda said:

File under the category: No good deed goes unpunished, everything is a struggle. During my drive home from having mom’ s 2010 CR-V serviced at Honda, the TPMS light came on. Grrr. I stopped by my house and checked the tire pressure. All were spot on. I guess one of the battery powered tire sensors has failed. They are original. I have an appointment with Discount Tire next Saturday . Of note, the tires were replaced in 2017 at 65k mi. It currently has 76k.

Are you sure the dealer didn’t sabotage it to get you back?

tifighter

Type R - 3188 lbs / 315 hp

I can make that work.

qbrozen

Just discovered the Sierra’s bed is holding on for dear life. The rear shock mount crossmember is completely gone on one side, and the attached side is not really attached (designed to slide into a hole in the frame on one side and welded in on the other; the welded side is gone). Also, the mid mount on the drivers side is no longer attached to anything. I think it is salvageable but will take time/money. I’m left wondering if I should trade it in or get to work. At first glance, it is looking like maybe $600-$700 in replacement parts. I have no idea if I’ll be able to do it myself. I probably could. Probably easiest to take the bed off to do it.

I was even pondering turbocharging it in the summer. Obviously, that would not be smart in its current condition.