Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

tjc78

My Mom has a current gen CX-50. It’s one of the middle trims with the base engine.

I don’t get the hate. The infotainment works fine. She does note occasionally the wireless CarPlay acts up…. But it does in both my Ram and Mercedes too.

Power is decent, it’s comfortable even for a porker like me and it hasn’t had any issues.

Having said all that … my Mom has said she preferred her RAV’s and the Murano over it. Quite frankly with as many Yotas as she has had over the years nothing measures up even if it’s familiarity over anything else. I’m really hoping for a decent lease on a RAV for her when it goes back… if not I may suggest she buy a RAV instead of lease so she is 100% happy.

imidazol97

I think there's a lot of information missing from the tables. I didn't read the article yet.
E.g., different cars might have spent their life much differently. So the proportion of
Tahoes that were junked needs to be expressed in terms of number junked vs total number
of Tahoes sold. How many are still on the "road."

AND the number of miles when junked
would be relevant--perhaps the average miles or median miles.

Some vehicles are driven a lot after they are purchased while others types or models
may be purchased for much less use. So the fractions make a difference to me.
I can use my Cruze as an example. Many were purchased in this area as commuter
vehicles and driven many miles rapidly. So they end up reaching an end-of-life point
because they need work out of miles accumulated or out of neglect. The turbo models
need loving care as mentioned earlier.

stickguy

People seem to hate knobs these days. And touch pads. Though touch screens have their own issues, including trying to hit the right spot when the car is bouncing around! That and the screen has to be set a lot closer.

Like anything else once you learn the system and get used to it, becomes second nature.

suydam

tjc78 said:

My Mom has a current gen CX-50. It’s one of the middle trims with the base engine.

I don’t get the hate. The infotainment works fine. She does note occasionally the wireless CarPlay acts up…. But it does in both my Ram and Mercedes too.

Power is decent, it’s comfortable even for a porker like me and it hasn’t had any issues.

Having said all that … my Mom has said she preferred her RAV’s and the Murano over it. Quite frankly with as many Yotas as she has had over the years nothing measures up even if it’s familiarity over anything else. I’m really hoping for a decent lease on a RAV for her when it goes back… if not I may suggest she buy a RAV instead of lease so she is 100% happy.

RAVs are selling now for way moor than the competition. She’ll get more bang for her buck with a Hyundai or Kia.

benjaminh

In 2024 Toyota sold over 475,000 RAV4s in the US. The only vehicles that sold more were the Silverado and the F-150.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/

explorerx4

Although 3rd place overall, Rav4 sales are much smaller Ford or GM's pickup numbers.

tjc78

@suydam said:
RAVs are selling now for way moor than the competition. She’ll get more bang for her buck with a Hyundai or Kia.

She has two years left on the lease. Will see what the market is like. Before Covid I had no problem (without a broker) scoring 1% leases on her last two RAVs.

jmonroe1

suydam said:

tjc78 said:

My Mom has a current gen CX-50. It’s one of the middle trims with the base engine.

I don’t get the hate. The infotainment works fine. She does note occasionally the wireless CarPlay acts up…. But it does in both my Ram and Mercedes too.

Power is decent, it’s comfortable even for a porker like me and it hasn’t had any issues.

Having said all that … my Mom has said she preferred her RAV’s and the Murano over it. Quite frankly with as many Yotas as she has had over the years nothing measures up even if it’s familiarity over anything else. I’m really hoping for a decent lease on a RAV for her when it goes back… if not I may suggest she buy a RAV instead of lease so she is 100% happy.

RAVs are selling now for way moor than the competition. She’ll get more bang for her buck with a Hyundai or Kia.

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I don’t know how others feel about spending more money than they’d like for a car they preferred to own, they can always do what I did…save a little longer. Back in the days when I had car payments, the last thing I wanted were monthly reminders that I bought something I really didn’t want.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

People seem to hate knobs these days. And touch pads. Though touch screens have their own issues, including trying to hit the right spot when the car is bouncing around! That and the screen has to be set a lot closer.

Like anything else once you learn the system and get used to it, becomes second nature.

I love knobs but hate touch screens.

benjaminh

explorerx4 said:

Although 3rd place overall, Rav4 sales are much smaller Ford or GM's pickup numbers.

1. F-150: 732,139

2. Silverado: 542,517

3. RAV4: 475,193

4. CR-V: 402,791


Although C & D estimated/guessed that the Model Y would be 4th with sales of around 405k, in fact sales fell substantially compared to 2023, dropping to 314,000 according to the Good Car Bad Car site.

Michaell

benjaminh said:

explorerx4 said:

Although 3rd place overall, Rav4 sales are much smaller Ford or GM's pickup numbers.

1. F-150: 732,139

2. Silverado: 542,517

3. RAV4: 475,193

4. CR-V: 402,791


Although C & D estimated/guessed that the Model Y would be third with sales of around 405k, in fact sales fell substantially compared to 2023, dropping to 314,000 according to the Good Car Bad Car site.

What happens if you add Silverado + Sierra sales together?

nyccarguy

@Michaell said:
What happens if you add Silverado + Sierra sales together?

You get a lot of pickup trucks!

nyccarguy

@benjaminh said:
1. F-150: 732,139

2. Silverado: 542,517

3. RAV4: 475,193

4. CR-V: 402,791

Although C & D estimated/guessed that the Model Y would be 4th with sales of around 405k, in fact sales fell substantially compared to 2023, dropping to 314,000 according to the Good Car Bad Car site.

What impresses me the most about the RAV4 and the CRV to a degree is how many are sold year after year, yet their depreciation curve is really slow.

au1994

Michaell said:

benjaminh said:

explorerx4 said:

Although 3rd place overall, Rav4 sales are much smaller Ford or GM's pickup numbers.

1. F-150: 732,139

2. Silverado: 542,517

3. RAV4: 475,193

4. CR-V: 402,791


Although C & D estimated/guessed that the Model Y would be third with sales of around 405k, in fact sales fell substantially compared to 2023, dropping to 314,000 according to the Good Car Bad Car site.

What happens if you add Silverado + Sierra sales together?

Might get close to the F150 but Ford sells A LOT to fleets.

corvette

IIRC, there was a time when Silverado + Sierra sales exceeded F-150 sales, but that was many years ago.

explorerx4

GM pickup trucks sales still exceed Ford. Ford sells a lot more HD trucks, GM more 1/2 tons.

fintail

roadburner said:

My wife is now ready to take over the Wrangler so the X1 is going to be sold. I really liked it, but its departure makes room for something a bit more fun for both of us- think: E30 325is or some flavor of R230...

SL65 AMG should do

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

My wife is now ready to take over the Wrangler so the X1 is going to be sold. I really liked it, but its departure makes room for something a bit more fun for both of us- think: E30 325is or some flavor of R230...

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Now that doesn’t sound like a guy that plans to just slide into retirement. Oh no, not him, he’s going to jump into it. With both feet…standing straight up.

jmonroe

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

People seem to hate knobs these days. And touch pads. Though touch screens have their own issues, including trying to hit the right spot when the car is bouncing around! That and the screen has to be set a lot closer.

Like anything else once you learn the system and get used to it, becomes second nature.

I love knobs but hate touch screens.

The Jeep has a touchscreen and I don't like it. At least the HVAC and entertainment systems have redundant buttons or knobs. The C43 doesn't have a touchscreen, but there are at least two to four different ways to access and control the various menus and functions. Unfortunately M-B has now gone to touchscreens in most every model.

suydam

Voice assistant is nice because you don’t have to take your eyes off the road to push at a touchscreen. “Turn fan down”. Done.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

People seem to hate knobs these days. And touch pads. Though touch screens have their own issues, including trying to hit the right spot when the car is bouncing around! That and the screen has to be set a lot closer.

Like anything else once you learn the system and get used to it, becomes second nature.

I love knobs but hate touch screens.

The Jeep has a touchscreen and I don't like it. At least the HVAC and entertainment systems have redundant buttons or knobs. The C43 doesn't have a touchscreen, but there are at least two to four different ways to access and control the various menus and functions. Unfortunately M-B has now gone to touchscreens in most every model.

We did some long trips out of NJ Thursday and I had Jeep products both times. I found the knobs more user friendly, for me at least.

benjaminh

One of the choices that needs to be made in engineering a hybrid system for a vehicle is where to put the battery. Most put the battery under the rear seat, which is what Mazda does with the new CX-50 hybrid. But that means the already snug back seat loses two inches of legroom and some headroom, which for tall people, as you can see in this video starting at around two minutes, is a bit of a challenge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TolyRkLGs

Subaru took a different route, which has its own drawback. The new Forester hybrid puts the battery in the spare tire area, which means the back seat of the hybrid has just as much room as the regular Forester, but it also means that there is no spare tire. The CX-50, in contrast, does have a spare tire.

Drawbacks and advantages both ways.

benjaminh

Three years ago when vehicles were still in short supply even my local Hyundai dealer seemed to be charging above list for most of their cars. Just looked at their website for the first time in a while, and prices have plunged for some vehicles. Here's a new Sonata sel with awd, heated seats, xm, Michelin tires, wireless android auto/carpay, a first aid kit and lots of other stuff for $24k. They must be losing lots money at that price. I'm guessing/hoping that the Hyundai/KIA engine issues have now been fixed?

https://www.oxmoorhyundai.com/inventory/new-2024-hyundai-sonata-sel-awd-4d-sedan-kmhl64ja4ra424777/

Sandman6472

Like OF, prefer knobs & hate touch screens. Luckily, mine still has knobs and the steering wheel buttons to get to what I need. Like to keep things simple in my life so am happy with my old tech in the Golf. Many vehicles with those touch screens have dirty finger prints all over them when I get in which kind of freaks me out. I'm guessing most folks don't wash their hands as much as I do & noticed I wash them ore at work. Also carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer in my backpack which I do use frequently. Another thing I notice frequently is how much nasty stuff folks leave in their returned rentals! Just awful some of the stuff I find and wonder if these folks trash their personal vehicles in the same manner? I know I had to do some extra cleaning with the vehicle I rented the beginning of the month. Finding out that most people are slobs!!

explorerx4

Locally, on a Ram truck, ;ooking at the Ram website, I can get $7250 in cash incentives plus a $1250 finance incentive.
ALthough F Series sales were up 20% in January, I hope they will up their incentives also.

nyccarguy

suydam said:

Voice assistant is nice because you don’t have to take your eyes off the road to push at a touchscreen. “Turn fan down”. Done.

The voice assistant seems like a fun gimmick, but eventually is going to need a software update of some sort. Also sounds like something that's going to break 6 months after the warranty is up.

"Turn fan down"
"Turning radio Volume down"

"Turn fan down"
"I don't understand the command"

Louder now: "Turn fan down."
"Tuning radio to WFAN"

Screaming: "TURN FAN DOWN."
"Turning radio volume down."

Screaming louder: "TURN FAN DOWN."
"Turning Climate Control Off"

"Voice assistant shutting down for software update. Would you like me to direct you to the nearest Chevrolet dealership?"

"NO! I don't want to go to the nearest DAMN Chevrolet Dealership you lousy no good, rotten, stinkin voice assistant!"

"Turning fan down."

nyccarguy

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

People seem to hate knobs these days. And touch pads. Though touch screens have their own issues, including trying to hit the right spot when the car is bouncing around! That and the screen has to be set a lot closer.

Like anything else once you learn the system and get used to it, becomes second nature.

I love knobs but hate touch screens.

The Jeep has a touchscreen and I don't like it. At least the HVAC and entertainment systems have redundant buttons or knobs. The C43 doesn't have a touchscreen, but there are at least two to four different ways to access and control the various menus and functions. Unfortunately M-B has now gone to touchscreens in most every model.

I do like how the Wrangler has switches and redundant buttons. I use the buttons.

stickguy

Benjamin glad to know the 50 has a spare. I was wondering about that! I have not sat in the back but legroom is not usually an issue. I sit behind my short daughter on the rare occasion I’m in her car. Tons of legroom!

stickguy

Great deal on the Hyundai. Bradd, might be better option than 12k for a well used something! Just missing a moonroof to have everything I would require.

stickguy

I tried voice commands a few times. Never worked very well. Especially when you haven’t memorized the secret code word list. Only thing I normally change is radio and that I do with my thumb in the steering wheel. I can handle the button for heated seats.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

Three years ago when vehicles were still in short supply even my local Hyundai dealer seemed to be charging above list for most of their cars. Just looked at their website for the first time in a while, and prices have plunged for some vehicles. Here's a new Sonata sel with awd, heated seats, xm, Michelin tires, wireless android auto/carpay, a first aid kit and lots of other stuff for $24k. They must be losing lots money at that price. I'm guessing/hoping that the Hyundai/KIA engine issues have now been fixed?

https://www.oxmoorhyundai.com/inventory/new-2024-hyundai-sonata-sel-awd-4d-sedan-kmhl64ja4ra424777/

Seems like a week doesn’t go by now where Kia doesn’t send me some discount offer. I don’t know about the engine problems being fixed. Before I bought my 2019 Kia I researched the engine issue and what I found convinced me it had been resolved. A few months later I see reports that my engine was also subject to problems too. I wouldn’t buy another one out of fear of what might happen in the future.

As to that price, it does sound like a bargain but I wonder what crazy add ons would await you if you actually tried to buy it.

kyfdx

I think to get the "dealer choice" incentive, you have to take a marked-up finance rate.

explorerx4

@kyfdx,
You take the financing then pay it off.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

@kyfdx,
You take the financing then pay it off.

Sure, but there are plenty of people that can't do that. And, a rate you get after the deal from an independent source might be even higher.

If you qualify for financing through HMF, it's just a math problem.

explorerx4

I'm really a cash buyer, so I'd be ok giving up some the the incentive in interest to get the incentive.

kyfdx

Looked up the finance rebate on the Sonata.

60 months, no rebate: 2.99% APR
60 months, w/rebate: 6.29% APR

72 months
3.49% vs. 6.99%

On 60 months at $25,000 total
Without rebate 2.99%: $449/mo
With rebate ($23,750) 6.29% $462/mo

kyfdx

3% financing along with that big discount is a good deal.

benjaminh

One of our grown children shares a car, a 2008 Accord, with their significant other. Once in a while I've driven their 2008 Accord, and in some ways it's a trip back in time since I once owned an 08 Accord too. But while mine was an almost top-of-the-line EXL-navi with a custom-ordered 5-speed manual, theirs is an LX. It only has somewhere around 130k or so miles, but in car terms it seems elderly. It's not just that the tech is outdated, but the suspension, driver's seat, and some of the other things seem...so-so at this point. It was a car passed down from parents, and although oil changes have been regularly performed, it seems like otherwise maintenance has been on the lower side maybe? Mismatched tires. It is 17 years old now, which according to that study from the junkyards is getting to be at the high end of what they see. Anyway, they clearly plan on keeping it for now, which is certainly an economical choice. But if they had to get another vehicle that Sonata seems like a value buy with the 3% financing, even though these days I lean more toward Subarus.

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

Great deal on the Hyundai. Bradd, might be better option than 12k for a well used something! Just missing a moonroof to have everything I would require.

I'm currently (nor will I ever be) in the market for a $24K Hyundai or any Hyundai/Kia product for that matter.

benjaminh

The oldest car we ever owned was a 1988 Olds 98, which we gave away to a charity in 2008 when it was twenty years old, but at that point it still only had c.110k miles. We owned it for ten years, having bought it from the first owner's daughter. It was still a solid car, with a really luxurious and beautiful interior. The 3.8 engine was powerful for the time, and the 4-speed hydramatic transmission was smooth. I still kinda miss that Oldsmobile, even though the marshmallow suspension was too squishy when going around corners. I probably didn't even need to get rid of it, but in 2008 I was looking under the hood and there was some rust on the exterior of the steering housing. It was just surface rust, and so I think had no effect on the safety of the car. But at the time I wondered if it might someday be an issue, plus I wanted to get my 2008 Accord, and so....

I sometimes wondered what happened to that Olds 98 after that. My guess is that it kept running for some person who got it from the charity for another four or five years. Or do those charities just sell them to used car dealers? Anyway, it was so well maintained by the first owner and by us that even if the next owner neglected it a bit it probably would have kept going for a while. But in terms of years that's the car we've had that outlasted almost all of the cars in that junkyard study.

But even that 98 was probably in a junkyard by 2012 or so.

qbrozen

Touchscreens:
For the life of me, I have never figured out how to change the radio station in the Volvo. It is buried in a menu somewhere.

kyfdx

My friend’s 2015 SL55 that he bought about a year ago

greg1288

So official punch to report. 2024 Crown Platinum with 11K miles which was traded to a BMW dealer and obtained by a Conn. Lexus dealer and bought from them.
Apparently some dealing is available on new Platinum trims. Because of their high price I did a bit of research and found they can be had for $3-$4K off sticker.

There are not many used out there but did find this one with the heavy metal/black bi-tone which I liked. I figured I saved around $11K even off the discounted price of a 2025. The new ones have HUD which 2024 did not. I think that is the only difference.

Imperfections included 3 small chips on the black hood and a slight rash on one wheel. My concern was for the 21" wheels and worried about ride quality (and of course potholes) so I did buy the Toyota tire and wheel replacement package and an extended warranty which I haggled down about 25%. I' m sure they still made plenty. It does have a spare tire at least.

Driving impressions:
Loads of power from the 340HP and 400 ft lbs of torque hybidMax 4cyl Turbo and E-motor combo. C&D had a 5.1 sec. run to 60 and others ranged from 5.3-5.6. The ride quality in normal mode with the adaptive suspension is great It soaks up road imperfections better than the wife's Cadillac XT5. It is also quieter. I found this very surprising considering the large wheels. The interior is very serene. The seats are very comfortable. Steering has good somewhat heavy feeling and tracks true. The brakes feel spongy but I think that has something to do with the hybrid system. It will also once in a while slow down aggressively without the brakes being applied which may a regen feature. I was't expecting much from the JBL sound system because some reviewers panned it as being mediocre without enough bass. I think it is at least as good as the Bose in the Cadillac. I did tweak the equalizer settings and front-rear fader. In stop and go traffic coming back to Long Island I got 37MPG according to the computer. It also takes regular gas. The overhead camera view is great and if it detects a parking space next to you it will light up in the camera view and if you click on it it will automatically park there whether parallel or head in.

Dislikes:
The infotainment setup is much more complicated than the Cadillac. It has wireless Apple carplay and was using it with Google maps and listening to Spotify and I could not cancel carplay. There is no home icon. I had to forget the car in my phone settings to get out of it. Also the navigation is subscription based I think and I can't access it. The car only came with 1 key fob and apparently I have to pay for another one which is not cheap. There is a possibility that it was sold with only one because of supply chain issues so I might be entitled to the second one but I have to check with the local dealer. Also There are just too many options on what can be shown on the dashboard display - probably 15 or more. It is also kind of heavy I think over 4200 lbs and you can feel it when driving. I will have to try the sport and sport+ modes and see if the handling improves, but I will probably drive mostly in normal or comfort mode due to my advanced age.

Interior quality is good but not great. There is a lot of hard plastic in places there should not be. That doesn't really bother me as I have been driving the same old Chevy pick-up for the last 20 years. The design is kind of boring and does not look premium especially for a car at this price. Being all black - the only color available on the Platinum doesn't help. Oh and it has an nice panoramic glass roof that does not open. The wife's Cadillac interior has nicer materials and looks more upscale, although the seats are a bit less comfortable. The XT5 power train with the V-6 is smoother than the turbo 4. Of course I know Cadillac and Toyota are not competitors.

That is my impression so far. All in all I am very happy with the purchase. I especially like the uniqueness of the vehicle and I really don't remember seeing another one on the road. That is the reason I liked my 2005 Crossfire SRT and the last generation Buick Lacrosse.

Sorry for the long winded post

nyccarguy

greg1288 said:

So official punch to report. 2024 Crown Platinum with 11K miles which was traded to a BMW dealer and obtained by a Conn. Lexus dealer and bought from them.
Apparently some dealing is available on new Platinum trims. Because of their high price I did a bit of research and found they can be had for $3-$4K off sticker.

There are not many used out there but did find this one with the heavy metal/black bi-tone which I liked. I figured I saved around $11K even off the discounted price of a 2025. The new ones have HUD which 2024 did not. I think that is the only difference.

Imperfections included 3 small chips on the black hood and a slight rash on one wheel. My concern was for the 21" wheels and worried about ride quality (and of course potholes) so I did buy the Toyota tire and wheel replacement package and an extended warranty which I haggled down about 25%. I' m sure they still made plenty. It does have a spare tire at least.

Driving impressions:
Loads of power from the 340HP hybidMax 4cyl Turbo and E-motor combo. C&D had a 5.1 sec. run to 60 and others ranged from 5.3-5.6. The ride quality in normal mode with the adaptive suspension is great It soaks up road imperfections better than the wife's Cadillac XT5. It is also quieter. I found this very surprising considering the large wheels. The interior is very serene. The seats are very comfortable. Steering has good somewhat heavy feeling and tracks true. The brakes feel spongy but I think that has something to do with the hybrid system. It will also once in a while slow down aggressively without the brakes being applied which may a regen feature. I was't expecting much from the JBL sound system because some reviewers panned it as being mediocre without enough bass. I think it is at least as good as the Bose in the Cadillac. I did tweak the equalizer settings and front-rear fader. In stop and go traffic coming back to Long Island I got 37MPG according to the computer. It also takes regular gas. The overhead camera view is great and if it detects a parking space next to you it will light up in the camera view and if you click on it it will automatically park there whether parallel or head in.

Dislikes:
The infotainment setup is much more complicated than the Cadillac. It has wireless Apple carplay and was using it with Google maps and listening to Spotify and I could not cancel carplay. There is no home icon. I had to forget the car in my phone settings to get out of it. Also the navigation is subscription based I think and I can't access it. The car only came with 1 key fob and apparently I have to pay for another one which is not cheap. There is a possibility that it was sold with only one because of supply chain issues so I might be entitled to the second one but I have to check with the local dealer. Also There are just too many options on what can be shown on the dashboard display - probably 15 or more.

Interior quality is good but not great. There is a lot of hard plastic in places there should not be. That doesn't really bother me as I have been driving the same old Chevy pick-up for the last 20 years. The design is kind of boring and does not look premium especially for a car at this price. Being all black - the only color available on the Platinum doesn't help. Oh and it has an nice panoramic glass roof that does not open.The wife's Cadillac interior has nicer materials and looks more upscale
although the seats are a bit less comfortable. I realize that Toyota is not a Cadillac competitor.

That is my impression so far. All in all I am very happy with the purchase. I especially like the uniqueness of the vehicle and I really don't remember seeing another one on the road. That is the reason I liked my 2005 Crossfire SRT and the last generation Buick Lacrosse.

Sorry for the long winded post

Congrats on the punch! Nice car! I like it! Thank-you for supporting my state's economy! Enjoy!

jmonroe1

Sandman6472 said:

Like OF, prefer knobs & hate touch screens. Luckily, mine still has knobs and the steering wheel buttons to get to what I need. Like to keep things simple in my life so am happy with my old tech in the Golf. Many vehicles with those touch screens have dirty finger prints all over them when I get in which kind of freaks me out. I'm guessing most folks don't wash their hands as much as I do & noticed I wash them ore at work. Also carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer in my backpack which I do use frequently. Another thing I notice frequently is how much nasty stuff folks leave in their returned rentals! Just awful some of the stuff I find and wonder if these folks trash their personal vehicles in the same manner? I know I had to do some extra cleaning with the vehicle I rented the beginning of the month. Finding out that most people are slobs!!

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My Dad had a very crude expression about folks like that and every time he said it, it drove my poor Mom up a wall. When he saw sheer laziness he’d say, “some folks are so lazy they’d **it in bed and kick it out with their feet”. I learned this when I was around 6 or 7. I’ve seen this going through life more times than I can count and it sounds like you have also. Some things NEVER change.

jmonroe

qbrozen

@greg1288 said:

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Interior quality is good but not great. There is a lot of hard plastic in places there should not be. That doesn't really bother me as I have been driving the same old Chevy pick-up for the last 20 years. The design is kind of boring and does not look premium especially for a car at this price. Being all black - the only color available on the Platinum doesn't help. Oh and it has a nice panoramic glass roof that does not open. The wife's Cadillac interior has nicer materials and looks more upscale, although the seats are a bit less comfortable. The XT5 power train with the V-6 is smoother than the turbo 4. Of course I know Cadillac and Toyota are not competitors.

That is my impression so far. All in all I am very happy with the purchase. I especially like the uniqueness of the vehicle and I really don't remember seeing another one on the road. That is the reason I liked my 2005 Crossfire SRT and the last generation Buick Lacrosse.

Sorry for the long winded post

Very surprised at the interior complaints at that price point. I would have expected luxury. Pricewise, it starts pretty close to an S90. (In platinum trim, that is)

venture

qbrozen said:

Touchscreens:

For the life of me, I have never figured out how to change the radio station in the Volvo. It is buried in a menu somewhere.

That sounds like the latest (and probably the last) BMW I had for only a short time. One time I actually got into the menus far enough to set a radio station but could never find where to select that station then.

That and many other things that constantly drove me nuts.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

Locally, on a Ram truck, ;ooking at the Ram website, I can get $7250 in cash incentives plus a $1250 finance incentive.
ALthough F Series sales were up 20% in January, I hope they will up their incentives also.

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Why rely on hope, just get the Ram.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
Ram's just don't do it for me. GM's trucks suck fuel like it's 50 cents a gallon.

benjaminh

@venture If you feel like saying, how are things going with your 2025 Forester? Any features you especially like? Any issues or problems?