Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

sda

It floors me how expensive 10 year old and older vehicles are. Jeez

stickguy

I like the Volvo because I just like Blue Volvos, but I would be a little leery of that one. The Edge looks nice though. No clue how solid or troublesome those are though.

I have no interest in GCs.

I will be in Dallas the 2nd week of June. Maybe I can skip the work meeting to run out and look at a Porsche for you!

and the 2nd to last link was sold so listing is gone.

tjc78

If this checked out .. it was coming home with me. I was scheduled for 6:30 to see it. Guy came at 5:30 and bought it.

I know I’m the only Edmund’s poster that likes these things but this one was a good deal.

https://www.facebook.com/share/164QrXquQM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

stickguy

I am not a big fan of these, but if I was required to get one, it would be that one. And from comments to the video below, 2008 is supposedly the prime year for these.

Watched this yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByBOajUGqKQ&t=310s

qbrozen

tjc78 said:

If this checked out .. it was coming home with me. I was scheduled for 6:30 to see it. Guy came at 5:30 and bought it.

I know I’m the only Edmund’s poster that likes these things but this one was a good deal.

https://www.facebook.com/share/164QrXquQM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

You aren't the only one.
Great beater.

venture

I saw my neighbor from about 3 blocks away at the grocery store. He got a Panamera. It's white. (Aren't they all?)

It looks pretty nice. Without the awkwardness of the older ones.

explorerx4

@tjc78,
Check out this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUW7jK19bEg

qbrozen

explorerx4 said:

The 2016 Edge has a max towing capacity of 3,500 lbs, less than the max on a Mav.

Yeah, that's one of those BS numbers. I don't know why they say that here, but it was 4400 lbs in Europe.

oldfarmer50

I like the Jeeps, particularly the ones with the 5.7L motor. Higher towing rating. Except the first one. How could they charge $8k for a totaled unit?

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
That Edge doesn't have the towing package so it's more like 2K for that one.

xwesx

tjc78 said:

If this checked out .. it was coming home with me. I was scheduled for 6:30 to see it. Guy came at 5:30 and bought it.

I know I’m the only Edmund’s poster that likes these things but this one was a good deal.

https://www.facebook.com/share/164QrXquQM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Oh, bummer! That definitely looks like a nice one.

nyccarguy

@sda said:
It floors me how expensive 10 year old and older vehicles are. Jeez

It’s what is driving me toward purchasing another new car in the next month-ish or 2.

qbrozen

@explorerx4 said:
@qbrozen,
That Edge doesn't have the towing package so it's more like 2K for that one.

It can be added. Frankly, aftermarket can be superior.

qbrozen

@oldfarmer50 said:
I like the Jeeps, particularly the ones with the 5.7L motor. Higher towing rating. Except the first one. How could they charge $8k for a totaled unit?

Total loss doesn’t always mean totaled. I don’t know the details on that particular one.
Theft is a common reason for “total loss.”

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
Here's the brochure for the 2016 Edge. Sport model does not have trailer tow pkg as an option.
In any case, aftermarket is not going to get you trailer sway control software and it's still a FWD based vehicle.
https://brochureshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Ford_US-Edge_2016.pdf#:~:text=Tow up to 3,500 lbs.4 with the 2.0L,maintain control of the vehicle and your trailer.6

roadburner

If I HAD to replace the C43 I would probably go with a CLA 45 (the only CLA that shreds the "M-B Passat" moniker). Still. I really hope I won't have to. My dealer has a 2024 C43 with only 7,655 miles on it. I'd like to drive it just to see if it's as awful as everyone says it is.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
@tjc78,
Check out this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUW7jK19bEg

Insane.

nyccarguy

@roadburner said:
If I HAD to replace the C43 I would probably go with a CLA 45 (the only CLA that shreds the "M-B Passat" moniker). Still. I really hope I won't have to. My dealer has a 2024 C43 with only 7,655 miles on it. I'd like to drive it just to see if it's as awful as everyone says it is.

A Subje dealer near me still has a few 2024 Crosstreks (mostly Premium models with the 2.0) and sport with the 2.5. They have 2 ‘24 Forester Wilderness (no thank-you) as well. They also have a few ‘24 Imprezas also with the 2.0.

A little further north, a Subir dealer still has some ‘24 WRX base models on the lot. Including a WR pearl with the short shifter kit and arm rest extension.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

If this checked out .. it was coming home with me. I was scheduled for 6:30 to see it. Guy came at 5:30 and bought it.

I know I’m the only Edmund’s poster that likes these things but this one was a good deal.

https://www.facebook.com/share/164QrXquQM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

There were a few years where I was looking at the Grand Marquis version of that platform but my sub $5k/low mileage requirement made it difficult to find one. If I had, the value today would be twice what I paid.

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

@roadburner said:

If I HAD to replace the C43 I would probably go with a CLA 45 (the only CLA that shreds the "M-B Passat" moniker). Still. I really hope I won't have to. My dealer has a 2024 C43 with only 7,655 miles on it. I'd like to drive it just to see if it's as awful as everyone says it is.

A Subje dealer near me still has a few 2024 Crosstreks (mostly Premium models with the 2.0) and sport with the 2.5. They have 2 ‘24 Forester Wilderness (no thank-you) as well. They also have a few ‘24 Imprezas also with the 2.0.

A little further north, a Subir dealer still has some ‘24 WRX base models on the lot. Including a WR pearl with the short shifter kit and arm rest extension.

Subaru always seems to put some interesting port-installed options on their vehicles. My '08 Impreza sedan had an STi short-shift kit and aluminum pedals, along with a "sport" grill.

qbrozen

@explorerx4 said:
@qbrozen,
Here's the brochure for the 2016 Edge. Sport model does not have trailer tow pkg as an option.
In any case, aftermarket is not going to get you trailer sway control software and it's still a FWD based vehicle.
https://brochureshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Ford_US-Edge_2016.pdf#:~:text=Tow up to 3,500 lbs.4 with the 2.0L,maintain control of the vehicle and your trailer.6

No worries. I’ve done the research.

nyccarguy

I've been tasked with helping my sister find a new car. She's currently leasing an MB GLC300 4MATIC. She needs 15K miles per year. She's open to SUVs and Sedans with 4WD/AWD. Currently she's paying $505 per month for her GLC. Naturally she'd ideally like to be paying less. She's open to a vehicle with less options. Different manufacturers. Her lease is up in May, so she has some time.

tjc78

@nyccarguy said:
I've been tasked with helping my sister find a new car. She's currently leasing an MB GLC300 4MATIC. She needs 15K miles per year. She's open to SUVs and Sedans with 4WD/AWD. Currently she's paying $505 per month for her GLC. Naturally she'd ideally like to be paying less. She's open to a vehicle with less options. Different manufacturers. Her lease is up in May, so she has some time.

Check out Aronchi’s thread on LH. Those S90 deals are insane.

qbrozen

Wow. How did we survive before Google?
Here is that Q5 I was looking at:
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/vdp.action?listingId=407736297#listing=407736297

Got an email this morn from seller. Price dropped to 11,995 this morn. Hey, GREAT deal, which of course makes me suspicious. I start texting with him. Carfax says all is well. But, wait, I run it through Manheim and the autocheck says branded title. So I let him know "I didn't know it was branded. No thanks." He is confused. I tell him to check autocheck. Says he will. Then I google the VIN. Low and behold, this thing comes up as sold through Copart almost 5 years ago with nearly 4 times the current mileage! He is understandably baffled. I sent him the following link and said I hope he can get his money back because they were scammed.

https://en.bidhistory.org/audi/q5/2015/6c6b16b8bcf1b1a3-audi-q5-q5_tdi_pre-wa1cmafp7fa029651/

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Wow. How did we survive before Google?
Here is that Q5 I was looking at:
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/vdp.action?listingId=407736297#listing=407736297

Got an email this morn from seller. Price dropped to 11,995 this morn. Hey, GREAT deal, which of course makes me suspicious. I start texting with him. Carfax says all is well. But, wait, I run it through Manheim and the autocheck says branded title. So I let him know "I didn't know it was branded. No thanks." He is confused. I tell him to check autocheck. Says he will. Then I google the VIN. Low and behold, this thing comes up as sold through Copart almost 5 years ago with nearly 4 times the current mileage! He is understandably baffled. I sent him the following link and said I hope he can get his money back because they were scammed.

https://en.bidhistory.org/audi/q5/2015/6c6b16b8bcf1b1a3-audi-q5-q5_tdi_pre-wa1cmafp7fa029651/

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Man, that’s a lotta miles. I don’t think even our poster buddy @xwesx, would touch that beast.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

tjc78 said:

@nyccarguy said:

I've been tasked with helping my sister find a new car. She's currently leasing an MB GLC300 4MATIC. She needs 15K miles per year. She's open to SUVs and Sedans with 4WD/AWD. Currently she's paying $505 per month for her GLC. Naturally she'd ideally like to be paying less. She's open to a vehicle with less options. Different manufacturers. Her lease is up in May, so she has some time.

Check out Aronchi’s thread on LH. Those S90 deals are insane.

I was looking at those. The problem is she is in NY and can't come up with the MSD (even if his dealer allows it for NY residents). She needs 15K miles per year. Once you roll everything in, the payments balloon. I'd love to get her into an XC60.

qbrozen

I keep tempting myself with that 2008 Cayenne turbo. I'd really prefer the 2011 and up style, and I'd have to immediately replace the awful 22" wheels and rubber band tires, but only 70k miles? hmmm...

qbrozen

Look, I'm high bidder for probably the next 30 secs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-hummer-h3-9/

corvette

I forgot how many of the interior parts on those came from the contemporary Canyon/Colorado. At least it has an LS engine. I don't care for the black door guards nor the chrome at the bottom.

stickguy

Bradd, maybe a Mazda? Cx50or cx5, whatever leases well? If any of them do.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

Look, I'm high bidder for probably the next 30 secs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-hummer-h3-9/

The underside looks great! I don't remember these being built with the 5.3 L V8. That's the good transmission from GM too, correct?

nyccarguy

corvette said:

I forgot how many of the interior parts on those came from the contemporary Canyon/Colorado. At least it has an LS engine. I don't care for the black door guards nor the chrome at the bottom.

Or the red steering wheel cover!

nyccarguy

stickguy said:

Bradd, maybe a Mazda? Cx50or cx5, whatever leases well? If any of them do.

That's the 1st thing that popped into my head. A CX50 Hybrid would be an ideal vehicle for her. She's a widow, coming up on 8 years now. Her and her 2 daughters (13 & 15) live with my parents. If I could help her lower her payment and save her on the gas bill every month that would be fantastic.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

Look, I'm high bidder for probably the next 30 secs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-hummer-h3-9/

The underside looks great! I don't remember these being built with the 5.3 L V8. That's the good transmission from GM too, correct?

Yes. A robust drivetrain all around. Still not a quick vehicle, by any means. But capable and comfortable. Not sure how far I'll take the bidding. These can go for big bucks, relatively.

qbrozen

This actually isn't an awful price, and I wouldn't have to pay for shipping. Miles are a TAD higher than I'd want, but not bad.
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listing/SADCK2BV1HA897609/

stickguy

Local is good. And I love the color combo

corvette

Ditto on the color combo of the F-PACE.

28firefighter

That's a nice spec, too, on that Q5 - good find though and probably saved yourself a world of issues.

tjc78

@nyccarguy said:
I was looking at those. The problem is she is in NY and can't come up with the MSD (even if his dealer allows it for NY residents). She needs 15K miles per year. Once you roll everything in, the payments balloon. I'd love to get her into an XC60.

The Auto Ninjas (I’ve done three deals with them, good people). Have an XC60 Core for $586 / $586 DAS plus broker for 36/15K. Thats NJ tax so I guess a bit more for NY.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Wow. How did we survive before Google?
Here is that Q5 I was looking at:
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/vdp.action?listingId=407736297#listing=407736297

Got an email this morn from seller. Price dropped to 11,995 this morn. Hey, GREAT deal, which of course makes me suspicious. I start texting with him. Carfax says all is well. But, wait, I run it through Manheim and the autocheck says branded title. So I let him know "I didn't know it was branded. No thanks." He is confused. I tell him to check autocheck. Says he will. Then I google the VIN. Low and behold, this thing comes up as sold through Copart almost 5 years ago with nearly 4 times the current mileage! He is understandably baffled. I sent him the following link and said I hope he can get his money back because they were scammed.

https://en.bidhistory.org/audi/q5/2015/6c6b16b8bcf1b1a3-audi-q5-q5_tdi_pre-wa1cmafp7fa029651/

That’s an interesting turn of events. You seem to assume the dealer got scammed but how can you be sure HE isn’t the scammer? I find it hard to believe a car dealer wouldn’t be able to do the same check you did.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
This actually isn't an awful price, and I wouldn't have to pay for shipping. Miles are a TAD higher than I'd want, but not bad.
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listing/SADCK2BV1HA897609/

I like that one. Looks clean too

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

Look, I'm high bidder for probably the next 30 secs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-hummer-h3-9/

The underside looks great! I don't remember these being built with the 5.3 L V8. That's the good transmission from GM too, correct?

Yes. A robust drivetrain all around. Still not a quick vehicle, by any means. But capable and comfortable. Not sure how far I'll take the bidding. These can go for big bucks, relatively.

Funny, back in 2008 when gas was $4.25/gallon you could have picked those up for pennies.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

That’s an interesting turn of events. You seem to assume the dealer got scammed but how can you be sure HE isn’t the scammer? I find it hard to believe a car dealer wouldn’t be able to do the same check you did.

Certainly no need for me to accuse him of that. Besides, they definitely haven't been holding onto it since 2020. If you are a dealer and have a carfax account, you'd have no reason to check any other, really. Maybe this will show them they should. At the same time, they do have it for cheap, so maybe they do know and are trying to pass it off on someone who will trust the carfax. But, I chose to be nice because I don't know for sure.

28firefighter

If it's cheap, what would you expect it to go for? Funny enough even with all those issues, its still probably worth 7-8k.

tjc78

I wasn’t going to post this but since Q brought up a similar thing I figured I would.

I found this decent looking low mileage Park Avenue on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/365435857697?_skw=Buick+Park+Avenue&itmmeta=01JQ9SZMJ9F1ABENMMN7T0DVPT&hash=item5515acab21:g:7rQAAOSwhwFnnZad&itmprp=enc:AQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1ctE0/fmgkEmF6kcAjgS3vSR6y2bF6wnvjTcYqSgzVs5ZcTrtDJrfjPYouo3poAcrtKOw8k5wEylA+wrEtZ/hkF5as0QbpgqBE9XfLiaRQKFIu2pf86MET9m8CB9gdSFJXUDwnuhMZekb6QFnIEfLiOnqjdXAd6W8p6MBTm+M/RcuDLRFzyckWTD+hnVyUoDLfMliB6CdjWF0+bKrfyybA8gYbCRBEVjRZzhRpOOKpvBqguKeoy7mCaN8qjtwSc+js=|tkp:Bk9SR7LJ_rm6ZQ

Carfax and Auto Check are all clean … but I could just swear the back “Park Avenue” emblems were in the wrong spot.

So I too Googled the VIN and found this:

https://bid.cars/en/lot/0-34980882/2001-Buick-Park-Avenue-1G4CW54K214148743

Obviously repainted, doesn’t appear like it was flooded or anything but not kept well at all. I was thinking of looking at it but feel a little scared now.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

If it's cheap, what would you expect it to go for? Funny enough even with all those issues, its still probably worth 7-8k.

MMR is $12-$12.5k. So retail is $15k-$16k. They originally listed it for $19k, so I'm SURE they knew it was a problem to drop it all the way down to $12k.

Branded title cuts it in half, so that's $8k. But those miles? Good god. I think it is pretty worthless.

corvette

Some exciting news: my car budget (and everything else budget) will go up substantially in about two weeks.

explorerx4

In the ad for the Q5 for 12,9xx, this was in the dealer description.
"Special Price this weekend ONLY $18998.00 ."

According to the auction listing, the Park Ave was shipped to the Netherlands.
That's not New Jersey, right?

qbrozen

I tapped out on the Hummer, as predicted.

stickguy

The is is enjoyable reading, following along with the quests going on. And makes me really glad I am not in the market for a used car.