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Suzuki Grand Vitara vs Subaru Forester vs Hyundai Santa Fe vs Jeep Liberty vs Ford Escape vs Saturn

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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You mean people are not using the SF for daily transportation? That's what getting from Point A to Point B means!

    To answer #2, yes, definitely, I'd like something even faster. I'd surely consider trading up if they dropped a turbo in the new Forester. In fact, they might for 2003.

    #3: huh? Is it flat or not? I still don't know the answer.

    Sorry, but there is just no way a 3720 lb SF handles like a sports car. A family sedan, well maybe a heavy one, but not a sports car.

    -juice
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    tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    "Isn't every new car now-a-day are much faster already? Do we need more faster?"

    Need I say more?
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    rleethalrleethal Member Posts: 11
    1. Everybody drives from point A to point B. It is just HOW you get there that counts

    2. Tribute wins in the hp/power catagory. Do not try to make it a nonissue. It is an important point to many people.

    3. About the seats folding flat. It may be due to being new and not "stretched" yet. Put some weight on them and it will flatten them. What I really don't like about the rear seats is the lame cloth strip you have to pull to recline the seats. It ought to be a lever or something more study. Anyways I don't plan on sitting in the back :)

    4. Nobody said it could not climb hills. What was said was that with its weaker (relatively speaking) engine it takes more oomph than the Tribute. None of these are for real off-road so mountain climbing is strictly for the insane :)

    5. I've never been in a town where everyone seems to want to street race. :) If you came up to me gunning your engine, I'd let you take off and probably turn around the other way. Good thing the SF is a very safe SUV.
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    ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I agree, power is a big issue. Not only for 0-60 times, but also for safe passing on the highway, hauling a full payload, or towing. It's nice to have a little extra margin of safety when you need it, and you never know when that'll be.

    What about when you don't need it? Simple - just use less throttle. More power is never really a disadvantage, especially if you're not giving up fuel efficiency.

    If it's not an issue - are you saying that if you could get 225hp with the same fuel efficiency, you would not accept it?

    -juice
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    You mean people are not using the SF for daily transportation? That's what getting from Point A to Point B means!
    ***Isn't any car can get from point A to B? What are you trying to say exactly...***

    Tribute wins in the hp/power catagory. Do not try to make it a nonissue. It is an important point to many people.
    ***Didn't we said that the Tribute is more powerful within this board? What you are talking about nonissue here.....***

    #3: huh? Is it flat or not? I still don't know the answer.
    ***Isn't there are sample for you to see the other SUV that don't go flat and people still buy it? What are the chance of people going to fold the seats? Is this a very big issue that concern buyers/researchers/consumers?***

    Sorry, but there is just no way a 3720 lb SF handles like a sports car. A family sedan, well maybe a heavy one, but not a sports car.
    ****Didn't I mention about 'cornering' 'cornering' "not faster"? Isn't most people want to buy the SUV with the sedan ride?****

    I agree, power is a big issue. Not only for 0-60 times, but also for safe passing on the highway, hauling a full payload, or towing. It's nice to have a little extra margin of safety when you need it, and you never know when that'll be.
    ***Isn't there are so many passenger vans, etc. that can still safe passing on highway since they are slower than these 3 SUVs topic especially carry lots of passenger? Not sure about the 0-60mph is a more concern to consumers/buyers/researchers?***

    What about when you don't need it? Simple - just use less throttle. More power is never really a disadvantage, especially if you're not giving up fuel efficiency.
    ****So you are saying that the Forester is using a lower rpm than the Santa Fe when driving in a normal condition? Look at the size of the Forester compare to Santa Fe! Do you think the Forester have a good height to go on snow better than the Santa Fe? Do the Forester have a good height compare to the Santa Fe when consumers/researchers/buyers expected the high ride when talking about SUV?***

    **Whoop to long again I have to stop**
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    curreycurrey Member Posts: 144
    Consumers/researchers/buyers, according to you, are only interested in the high ride, sedan ride, limited power of the Santa Fe?

    No. They are interested in a lot more than that. Yes, they are interested in 0-60 speeds, that is one reason every car review publishes them. Your correct a slower (less zip) mini van can safely pass on a high way, however, my Tribute can do it easier and safer because of 200hp to weight of vehicle ratio. Trust me on this, the Tribute has better acelleration, this is a handy thing to have and something consumers/researchers/buyers do look for.

    Additionally, they do look to see if the seats fold flat (DO NOT SAY THE PATHFINDER, RODEO DO NOT FOLD FLAT, WHO CARES WHAT OTHER CARS DO NOT FOLD FLAT), because when the seats fold flat there is more cargo room, and it is easier to slide items in and out over a flat surface. I am not saying this is a make or break point for any SUV, but, it is something consumers/researchers/buyers do look at.

    As far as Forester or Santa Fe height for snow, well if the snow is that high then maybe it is a good idea not to go for a drive. For the years I lived in Cleveland, they always did a pretty good job of plowing the roads (and salting them). I am not even sure why you went to the subject of clearance (Santa Fe = 8.2 while Forester=7.5) when Juice was talking about getting an SUV with more power while not giving up the benefits of great gas mileage.

    As for cornering, you did say that you pulled away from the Xtera, which does imply going faster. At least better handling through the twists and turns. Once again I will state that of the three SUVs listed on this page, it has been said in more reviews than I can count that the Forester handles as close to a car as an SUV can get while the Tribute has handling closer to a sports car (NOT as good as a sports car) than any other SUV.
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    jericho_avejericho_ave Member Posts: 37
    reading and trying to make some sense on some of this postings is much tougher than debugging my program... but at least I get to laugh here...
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    rleethalrleethal Member Posts: 11
    pass that helmet over here.

    Tribute wins in the hp/power catagory. Do not try to make it a nonissue. It is an important point to many people.
    ***Didn't we said that the Tribute is more powerful within this board? What you are talking about nonissue here.....***
    SOME of us have said so. SOME seem to have a problem admitting it and instead try to sidestep the issue with arent cars fast enough already? mentality.

    Hung, you have a lot of valuable information to share, but you would get more respect and even be listened to if you would keep an open mind and not try to win each and every point.
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    jmlagascajmlagasca Member Posts: 37
    "I can surely tell you that you haven't drive sporty style like me yet! I have been in racing before. Driving maximum speed on Celica a lot of times. I go from Fairfield to Sacramento less than 20 minutes and you go calculate if you have done this with your driving style yet!!!!" - Hung0820

    Given your "excellent" driving skills hung, why don't you just try to break the sound barrier in your almighty Celica? You musta had some clear highway when you were driving over 120 mph in that thing. I used to live in Fairfield, then Vacaville and now live in Davis - Fairfield to Sac is approxmately 40 miles. Not including the amount of traffic and congestion that happens on the 3 lanes from Vacaville to Davis... Hmm...

    Given your argument that the SaFe handles so well and can climb the hills in San Francisco so well, I'm not surprised. I used to drive a 5 sp. Saturn Coupe - 124 horsepower - in the city and it handled those hills just fine too (especially California St. from the Financial dist. to Nob Hill).
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    tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    I've already destroyed three monitors this week! Who ever suggested the helmet, thanks! Sure has saved me some nasty bruises.
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    jmlagascajmlagasca Member Posts: 37
    It's been fun these past 6 months, debating our asses out and not getting anywhere...
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    sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    "Additionally, they do look to see if the seats fold flat (DO NOT SAY THE PATHFINDER, RODEO DO NOT FOLD FLAT, WHO CARES WHAT OTHER CARS DO NOT FOLD FLAT), because when the seats fold flat there is more cargo room, and it is easier to slide items in and out over a flat surface."

    "As far as Forester or Santa Fe height for snow, well if the snow is that high then maybe it is a good idea not to go for a drive."

    I had a '76 Dodge Monaco wagon. Its seats folded flat, it had plenty of power (400ci), it could go like a bat out of hell, it was decent in winter (with snow tires, chains, sand or blocks in back), it had a roof rack, and it could climb slopy San Francisco hills, if not pull them down.
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    jmlasgasca:
    Yes! Back in those days the traffic is not like today. Racing at 2-3am in morning defintely you don't see any car.. I am still driving with my Santa Fe leaving people behind when I am by myself. Depend on the person want to drive fast or not but cornering on the Santa Fe is excellent...I am not talking about racing drive here but I tend to drive faster than average people and most likely stay away from the crowd because I think it is safer.

    Yes! Car now-a-day is already fast but some or faster than the other! My concern is that if you really need to do off-road a lots then it is okay to get a more powerful SUV. For instance Sasquatch would robably do his towing boat, etc..
    However, as the list factor that most SUVs buyer do not do off-road. I have already listed this before.

    For Mazda:
    They have step into a good market place for making the Tribute. They have recall but will definitely improve in the future too. That's why a Tribute was also a good selling SUV too. "Please Santa Fe and Tribute have much better look compare to Forester and therefore the buyers/consumers/researchers are focus into it."

    Subaru:
    I already give good credit to Subaru is a good quality manufacture. However, I was just suggestion that Subaru should design a high SUV ride with sedan ride to go beyond the future plan. If only Subaru can make a real looking SUV then they might be having a good chance of winning some award too..

    Consumers/researchers/buyers, according to you, are only interested in the high ride, sedan ride, limited power of the Santa Fe?
    Toyota/Lexus:
    ***Yes! That's why the RX300 was so hot when first release with an SUV with sedan ride and suddenly later BMX, Mercedes, Acura, and Hyundai, etc. Finally they have made a high ride SUV with a sedan ride. This is not easy project but somehow they manage to do it and more consumers/researchers/buyers are interested. "The speed of the car is not a major factor but the sedan ride is more important to them because it has a smooth and quiet ride". That's why now Toyota even made the Highlander and more people buy it too. You'll be surprise that in the future Nearly all of the SUV will have sedan ride. You should be wonder why Mercedes and BMW did NOT make 'truck' ride SUV in the beginning but now they find good technology to built SUV with 'sedan' ride and that's quality of SUV. Look at Toyota/Lexus> The 4Runner is not that hot selling as it use to be because is the truck ride SUV but most people look into the Highlander and RX300. Tonycrhys! What is comment on this?***That's why the Santa Fe did win award as well as the RX300 when first release!

    ***Whoop to long again!!!Sorry I didn't mean too***
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    guyfguyf Member Posts: 456
    To much nonsense here. See you in a few months...
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    Something exciting will release tonight! & will made those anti-SF guys very upset. So.....

    If U are anti-SF/Hyundai group gang member pls stay out & shut off your computer..... or better never come back to this forum!

    Ha Ha.....Gues what?????? :b
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    zorovaczorovac Member Posts: 2
    Though I'm a santa fe enthusiast myself, I am beginning to get somewhat disappointed at Hung and Bill for keep making themselves look too proud and not giving in. Please, we do understand your pride in driving your santa fe but don't try to let other people to accept the way you feel it, even if they are considered fact. I would kindly suggest you to just stay away from posting here. This site is becoming nonsense everyday. It's kind of sad to see DREW continuing to let this forum running as it is now. I guess he finds this forum amusing to himself or something...
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    rsharp83rsharp83 Member Posts: 82
    "The value-conscious former Accent or Elantra owner who wants to move up in size, who just wants to get from point A to point B safely and leisurely, point B usually being the soccer field or Mall."

    Well, I sold my 3 series BMW and got the Sante Fe. For many reasons, I chose the Sante Fe over the triscape (quality issuse being very big reasons). The Subie is a nice car but I would likely choose the outback with a 6 over the Forester. but then the outback H6 costs $30 grand! I could get a used Lexus RX for that price.

    I still think the biggest mistake subie made was the lesbiand marketing campaign they did for the Forester. I have an aunt who ones one and people still comment about "Martinia's car." I am not sure why they chose that particular marketing image but I can't imagine that many men found that to be an attractive message that made them want to buy the Forester.

    The Sante Fe is not a sports car but neither are ANY of the autos in this forum. That is why I find all the comments about performance and handling kind of amusing...who buys any of these for performance and handling? The ONLY SUV that qualifies under performance and handling is the BMW X5, fifty grand anyone?

    When I read who is buying the Sante Fe and their comments it is very surprising. Visit the Sante Fe forum and see the folks who never considered a Hyundai that are now Sante Fe owners and very happy. I have a friend who wants to sell her Lincoln Navigator and get a Sante Fe.

    Bill and Hung, while devoted and zealous, can be a bit over the top. Guys, I appreicate your zeal but sometimes you just don't make sense, even to a fellow Sante Fe owner.
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    Did I start up the nonsense or did I try to answer people question? Let's DREW decide!

    Drew!
    Do you think I talk nonsense here! Do you think it is time for me to retire on this board? Please reply..
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    tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    My only comment, since you asked, is that you have no idea what you are talking about. For example:
    "You should be wonder why Mercedes and BMW did NOT make 'truck' ride SUV in the beginning but now they find good technology to built SUV with 'sedan' ride and that's quality of SUV.

    Bzzt. Wrong. If you knew anything about these vehicles you'd know that:
    a) The MB ML-series is a body-on-frame design, as opposed to the unitized-body construction of the car-based SUVs. It does not ride like a sedan but more like a truck.
    b) The BMW X5 rides more like a sports car than a sedan.
    In conclusion, neither one of these vehicles tries to have a sedan like ride. The MB excels in structural rigidity (because of the body on frame), giving it an edge in off-road capability if needed. The X5 excels in outright sport and foul weather handling.

    "The 4Runner is not that hot selling as it use to be because is the truck ride SUV but most people look into the Highlander and RX300.

    While the HL and RX are good vehicles, they are not the reason the 4Runner sales are dropping off. The 4Runner is selling badly because the current design is at least 4 years old already and the 184hp engine is a joke for a vehicle that has a curb weight of 4,115 lbs. People who shop the 4Runner typically cross-shop the Pathfinder which now blows the doors off of it with a 240hp engine standard. Another vehicle they might cross-shop is the Jeep GC which can be ordered with a 235hp V8 with an incredible 295lb/ft of torque, which matters when you are towing on a grade.

    JMO, but you need to get a better understanding of the auto industry.
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    About the M-Class:
    Read this link and you will here the driver said about it owns M-Class Off-road and safest "SEDAN"comfort as he quote it.
    The M-class

    About BMW5 X5:
    I really like to have comment from the BMW X5 driver, please post your comment please.
    **When I was at the SHOW this is what BMW say about the X5! BMW emphasized that the X5 is more like a luxury car ride but can do extremely performance on every surface. Also BMW emphasizes that this is a 'lifestyle' car, a car more for onroad instead of offroad use.***
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    I noticed that they class the M-Class and the X5 with the RX300.

    Drew! Would you consider that your M-Class is a "truck" ride or more like a "SEDAN" ride? Please answer! Thank you!

    Does anybody out there have the BMW X5? Were you consider the your car is a "SEDAN" or a "truck" ride. Please give us a feedback and your experience with the ride.

    Does anybody out there have the 2000 Model 4Runner? Can you please give us some comment about your 4Runner? Is your 4Runner is a weak car?

    Here is the 4Runner detail:
    2000 model:
    Standard > 4 cylinder (2.7) with 150 horses
    SR5 > 6 cylinder (3.4) with 183
    Limited > 6 cylinder (3.4) with 183 horses
    ***Yes! The 4Runner are running low horses but the Toyota Transmission is powerful! Therefore still hold more cargo weight. The SR5 engine has been using by Toyota on truckload vehicle for a long time. The 4runner are a not weak SUV! Look at the size of the engine compare to it competitors. There are so many of Vietnamese and Chinese people here are talking about Highlander and RX300 and they comment on 4runner was not their choice! A few of my old friend already bought Highlander and also RX300. I will shoot the pictures of these vehicles and drop in my site later.****
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    wales1wales1 Member Posts: 90
    I am a SFe owner, and saw where Hung and Bill where making some noise in here. Guys.. chill out. Let the owners of the Foresters, Escapes, and tribute have their own say. I live in the city where they make the Ford Excursion and Explorer. Ford makes a great vehicle. I photograph cars every day with my job, but guys..(Hung and Bill) let the owners of these vehicles enjoy what they have. They bought it for one reason or another, just like you bought your SFe, but from what little I read in hear, your starting to make enemies, and well making Hyundai SFe owners appear a little cocky and border line "jerks". God forbid I ever end up like that. I have a vehicle.. it goes from A to Z and all points in between. It uses gas and tires just like all other vehicles. Enjoy what you have but don't be so cocky.
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    jmlagascajmlagasca Member Posts: 37
    You may have not started this "nonsense" but you've contributed to it along with everyone who's participated. We all feed off each other, nevertheless...

    Why do you need Drew to validate you? As if the other posters' input is worth nothing? Just to let you know, everyone sees everyone else's posts, and, our messages appear the same way from the time they're posted to the time they're deleted, the only variable in the equation is the range of reactions your readers can take on. These rules apply to everyone. Does that make you think hung?

    The simple fact is that people buy any car they have based on their preferences, everyone has the right to have their own. Everyone has different preferences and priorities, it's just that yours led you to the Santa Fe: we have similar stories (but with different vehicles). I don't know if you accept that though since you persist on selling your points not only on the Sante Fe but on your own beliefs and don't recognize everyone elses. NO ONE is correct all the time! I said this before, you have much pride in your SUV - and that's good - but too much pride can be detrimental. And, I'm willing to bet that if the Santa Fe were a country-at-war, you'd be on the front lines risking your life in order to fight for it, your pride and devotion towards the Santa Fe only reflects that. Many of us here love our cars, but not to that extent.

    Moving on to cars...

    Can you give reason why your friends or the other's in this forum didn't choose the 4runner? I'm sure you'll find their reasons the same as everyone here who chose anything else would argue. It didn't live up to their standards.

    Whether your friends have chosen the HL or RX doesn't apply to the "big picture," everything accounted for. In it's heyday, the 4Runner was one of Toyota's best selling vehicles and the best selling import SUV. Now it's been 5 years since it's remake (1996) and the design is getting old and the power isn't up to par with today's standards, not to mention the fact that it's one of the most expensive SUVs for it's class (Limiteds can reach near $45,000, you can get an X5, M250, RX300, MDX for less than that price). It's not up to par.

    Simple fact: for whatever is best right now will only be second best down the road because there will always be something better to take it's place. Happens with everything, computers, technology and cars. Makes sense? The same thing will apply to the Sante Fe, Tribute or Forrester a couple years down the road, but then again, I'm sure they'll be updated too...
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    wales1wales1 Member Posts: 90
    hey everyone..take a look at Hungs site..seems he has another SUV in his garage..and its NOT a Hyundai..hmmmm..will Hung switch over to another SFe? Will he do a self-inflicted crash test? Tune in to the same chat channel..same chat time...ZOINNKK ..BAAMMMM ...WHOOPPPP...gosh..wonder if the Batmobile is as loaded as Hungs "African Safari" ride. Again Hung..you went a wee bit over board on the accessories. Looks like a driving billborad for HDK. Wonder if you have family that works for HDK or Hyundai? Glad its your $$ and not mine on that ride because when a theif see its..watch out..its like a candy store to them, and your insurance compny is gonna hate you for all that "extra" stuff you got on it. Like my dad always said..a fool and his money soon part !
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    Pls clink....
    billtung "Hyundai Santa Fe" May 17, 2001 11:01pm

    Also if u like to see how beautiful SF's interior can be with an additional US$175. Pls clink billtung "Hyundai Santa Fe" May 17, 2001 10:15pm
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    I don't see why you guy like to talk about my personal stuff to much here!
    I was showing proof to Tonychrys about his comment and answering! I still need other people comment on the M-Class, X5, and 4Runner and I even show the link too. Yes! I was giving reason but that's not even to show any prove and therefore I have ask if anyone own the 4Runner to give their comment. "I am trying to get some prove and information here and I don't understand why you guy like to attack at me"!

    Didn't I mentioned before that my father-in-law have an SUV? Is this mean a car park in my garage in my car! If you don't know then you shouldn't talk about it...

    To Tonychrys:
    I hope that you read my last messages and I am still going to prove it!

    To Wales:
    I was just wondering if you have the garage. Why do you like to talk about my personal stuff? I was wondering if you have any SUV to talk about? Well as least you check my site! Look at how many SUV now-a-day have mobile system! Are you kind of jealous for what I have? I can tell you that with all the stuffs in my car right now. It is still cheaper than the LOWEST model of the RX300. Are you surprise?

    Wales1:
    Let the owners of the Foresters, Escapes, and tribute have their own say!
    **Was I start the subject or was I try to answer the subject! Didn't they are all writing in here? Please be more realistic.** **Remember this; I did not start out by saying bad thing about you but you are start it on me****
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    Being a very happy SF owner, but not quite happy with my Durango & GMC Safari. Try to share my valuable experiences with all the SF interested parties, is it really matter? is it a bad thing?

    I understand the success of Hyundai's SF definitely increase the selling pressure for the Forester or Tri-scape in your dealership. I don't blame you to angry at me for posting so many +ve things about SF in the past 6 months. This is human nature.

    But why not agree to what u guys said before, "It is just a sheet of metal!" What so serious?

    Are u guys find what Hung's & me said is very convincing? If not, why matter?

    Hung & me are almost the only 2 voices for SF.

    If U want we quit, simple to request Edmunds to cancel this forum or remove "Hyundai's SF" in the forum title.
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    p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Wow!!! I wouldn't have thought it possible but Hung & Tung are even more gung-ho on the Santa Fe board (thanks for the link Bill) and use it to plot their strategy on this board. I particularly like the references to all the Mazda/Ford/Subaru salesmen posting here (I detect a serious case of paranoia setting in). Thank goodness Hung & Tung are able to come to the Santa Fe's defense. I wonder how much Hyundai is paying them? Wait a minute, not even the thickest marketing dept would choose those two to represent Hyundai. It would make more sense if they were on the payroll of Subaru ;-)

    -Frank P.
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    p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hung & Tung- Actually, this topic would probably die without you two since the vast majority of the posts are either by you or are trying to make sense of what you've said (a futile task).

    -Frank P.
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    rleethalrleethal Member Posts: 11
    "You don't have to answer their stupid questions every time. We are almost the only voices for the SF in that forum, most of the past SF supporters already gave up argueing with them & mostly left."

    There are still SF supporters here. wales1, zorovac, rsharp83, guyf and myself to name a few. But does it not make you wonder why each of us has suggested you guys tone it down a bit? The SF can stand on its own merits without any misinformation to try to cover its flaws. Yes, as a first year model there are bound to be some flaws.

    "Something exciting will release tonight! & will made those anti-SF guys very upset. So.....
    If U are anti-SF/Hyundai group gang member pls stay out & shut off your computer..... or better never come back to this forum!"

    Do you mean driving up a creek and/or your wood dash? It does look very nice and would be a great selling feature if it came equiped like that, but do you really think its going to make anyone upset or want to quit this forum? Ahhhhh......reality check please.
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    It depends on how you interpret the following message:
    "Something exciting will release tonight! & will made those anti-SF guys very upset. So.....
    If U are anti-SF/Hyundai group gang member pls stay out & shut off your computer..... or better never come back to this forum!"

    See! Because U guys anti-SF that is why you guys took the sentences so seriously. Actually, me tried to make its forum more fun & excite to visitors, primarily it is just a joke in response to those highly prouded Subi's & Tri-scape owners that they thought SF interiors is cheap & SF can not go even a LIGHT off-road job.

    To be honest, The photos is mainly my response to axeiteira who is the only one Subaru's owner I really respected, he is knowledgable, helpful & very fair, funny & have sense of humors in a civil way. He never attack others in forums(by name), of course he will disagree (like me) others by stateing his opinions though. He just like us tell other how come he liked his SUV, & always repects others opinions as "To each his/her owns".

    What we are doing in this forum is just helping future SUV buyers to know more about all this SUV before they make their decisions.

    Unfortunately, I can not see too many of this forum friend (like axeiteira!) in this forum.

    I never against & attack those anti-me & Hung guys names in here(Who? everybody know when browse through this forum!) because I want to continue discuss in a civil way & "IT IS A STRICT RULE IN ALL Edmonds.com\townhall FORUMS MUST NOT ATTACK OTHERS BUT ONLY DISCUSSING/SHOWING RELATED SUBJECTS IN A FORUM!" Is it because me & hung is civil & nice that why U guys whose want to ruin this forum by stepping on us? Come on! it is only a tiny cyberspace, even you guys win u won't gain anything! Who says "it is just a sheet of metal?"

    I will send official complain to Steve & Drew about all your personal attacks in this forum, hopefully before you guys attack another friendly contributor in this forum!
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    big_guybig_guy Member Posts: 372
    What type of helmet are you using? WHACK! THUMP! CRASH!!!
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    The following is posted by one of the visitor here in our Santa Fe Forum:

    To Hung and Bill Tung
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have been reading your posts and replys both here and at edmunds for the past few months before I made up a decision to recommend my sister a Hyundai Santa Fe ( which she now owns). You enthusiasms and knowledge about Santa Fe did help me a lot when deciding a best value SUV.

    At edmunds, however, I noticed that there are quite some anti sentiments against Santa Fe or Hung and Tung. It seems as though escape and forester owners are not too happy with Hung and Tung making their voices heard in Triscape/Forester/Santa Fe forum.

    I would like to kindly suggest Hung and Bill to stay away from the Triscape/Forester/Santa Fe forum. Whatever we say about Santa Fe would just be an annoyance and give them more reason to make fun of san ta fe. Let's not even bother to go into that forum and listen to what these people have to say. It's just pathetic.

    traveler,
    ---------------------------------------------end

    We want justice!
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    curreycurrey Member Posts: 144
    Does confronting you with a different opinion or fact, while trying to get you to see another point, constitute a personal attack on you or Hung?
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    p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    BANG! What BANG! did BANG! you BANG! say? BANG!
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    billtungbilltung Member Posts: 255
    I'm also confuse.
    I don't know what you guys want/need(positive)?

    Spend your time to find out something good in your lovely SUV & post in here rather than continue attacking people OK!
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    curreycurrey Member Posts: 144
    Look over every thing I have posted on this Forum and tell me where I personally attacked you or Hung or any other person!

    Yes, if someone in the past has posted something that I did not agree with, I would call them on it. This is not an attack, this is an attempt to set the record straight through debate.
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    Please do not attack each other again! If you do have something good to share about your car then please share with the consumers/researchers/buyers. They are more interesting to learn more about each individual car listed here.

    At this point all I can said to consumers/researchers/buyers is that if you really want to learn more about the Hyundai Santa Fe then please visit my site. For the Subaru Forester, Ford Escape, and Mazda Tribute; I haven't find a good site for you to learn about these car yet! I hope that some day that if someone I really know and own these car then I will do a similar website project as I did on my Santa Fe. I will be working with the 2001 RAV4 soon, which my close friend here have own it. I hope that, someday you will be able to learn more about the RAV4 as well. ***I am a NO, NO, NO salesman or any website advertiser here, I am just an ordinary guy but know how to write website as well as the person who really like about car. In the meantime if you want to learn more about the Mazda Tribute, Ford Escape, and the Subaru Forester SUVs then call the dealer to requested for the catalog as well as visiting their sites.

    Here is my Hyundai Santa Fe project: If you really want to learn and see more detail then click on the link below. Have a great day.
    My Santa Fe Site
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    steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The hosts are lurking.... I'm not so sure that members in here are being especially uncivil towards each other, but we are here to discuss cars and not personalities. If there's something specific anyone feels we've overlooked, please email us (info's in our profile).

    Thanks!

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    rleethalrleethal Member Posts: 11
    Hey guys, nobody is attacking you. It just a joke, all of this has just been one big JOKE *rolls his eyes*

    If anyone wants to talk about SUVs I'll be waiting.
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    wales1wales1 Member Posts: 90
    Again..I am all for you two to tout your interiors and exteriors of your SFe, but to those who are really shopping for a new vehicle wont be impressed but all the bashing that goes on in here. If you are happy with the extras you put on your cars, then great. Hung..on your site, you asked for feedback on the vehicle your have loaded up. Well..IMHO..it is too much for the vehicle for a street look. Again..it looks more like a vehicle you would see on a Safari. I am glad you want to show it off, and I wish I had the spare time to disect a vehicle that highly trained engineers have designed. I am by far no auto mechanic, but have enjoyed the forums in their educational values. As to the comment about Hung and Tung being the only two SFe supporters on Edmunds..well..sorry to bust your bubble, but all those who own one are supporters, just not as vocal and agressive as the two of you are. Again..I remind you, people will by what ever vehicle fits their likings, budget and tastes. If you are happy with the look and price and feel of you vehicle, wonderful. But to be honest, I am getting a feeling you are making more enemies than friends by the subject matter of some of your comments. Maybe I am wrong in that comment, but its really bad when you read other forums and websites and the two of you are well talked about in your commnets and flat out arogence. Just something to think about, take it as you will.
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    Wales1:
    Kind of sound okay base on your judgment here but you bust out saying bad thing about me before and also 'personal' stuffs too. I don't see why you are trying to make friend here either but you are trying to make enemies too. **Remember one thing! I did not really start out the saying bad thing about other people, they are the one who started it**
    You quote it:
    Too much for the vehicle for a street look.
    Did I convicted people to loaded up like my car? My car was the best example for the people to learn about he Santa Fe because they can see more detail if they want to add what accessories/parts they want. They don't have to do exactly what I have. "It is just a perfect example for consumers/buyers/researchers to look at".

    Rleethal:
    If anyone wants to talk about SUVs I'll be waiting.
    ***Yes! I'll start since you are waiting to talk about SUV! How is car driving? My Santa Fe is getter smoother and the acceleration break-in very easy now. I have driven on the highest hills/mountain here in San Francisco with no problem and I am sure most of the other latest vehicles do it find too. I really like my front and rear guards because it helped me protected my bumpers being hit in San Francisco parking a lot of times. A few times I have seen people even hit at the guards in front of my eyes. When washing the roof of my car I really like the job of my rear guard because I can step and stand right on it and wash the roof. The biggest reason why I like my sport roof rack is because there was 2 signal lights on it. I get yield to cross on the lane easily when people see it. I am sure I don't have to mentioned about the side steps because I have children and it is easy for them to steps in the car later. The only big reason why I need to installed the mobile system in my car is because they are for my children. Now! I can let my children watch tv on a long road trip while I can still listen to music in the front. In my rear trunk I really like the cargo organizer because everytime I buy "food to go" I can leave it there and it does not interfere with my driving plus it also hold up very well. I know that my car is look a little bit overwhelming but I am not alone here in San Francisco. There are plenty of SUV do the same too.
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    rleethalrleethal Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for asking Hung. I just got my first fill up and it worked out to be 19mpg although I'm not sure the dealer filled it up as much as I like to. I'm sure it will get better. As long as I can accelerate up the 3% grade hill I have to travel over everyday I'm happy so I've no complaints in the power department and the ride is silky smooth. It almost time for me to wash mine, getting quite dusty. Wish I had some sidesteps so I could reach the top.
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    wales1wales1 Member Posts: 90
    Hung..what personal stuff have I said..please please share this with me ! AGAIN..you have it stated on your website..Please give me feedback, tell me what you think. You asked so you received. Thats all. I know your English is a little rusty but what do you mean "convicted" ? Do you mean convenced? As far as best example well..if you wanna say that then fine. So be it. An example for aftermarket stuff is more like it, but you kinda cover up the true SFe look. Kinda like putting a lot of makeup on to hide the real beauty. As far as a "perfect example" well Hung..is anything in this world perfect? NOPE ! DONT THINK SO !! Does anyone else think they have the "perfect example" ? Hung..you are just one individual who went out an loaded your ride up with extras, thats all. Its still a Hyundai Santa Fe. Just like the one I bought. Again..your cockyness is showing thru. if you are happy with it so be it. BTW..still wanna see that head rest monitor you talked about. Hope the kids dont mess the screen up with their little fingers. OUUCCCHH....
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    You just started it again:
    If you are happy with it so be it. BTW..still wanna see that head rest monitor you talked about. Hope the kids dont mess the screen up with their little fingers. OUUCCCHH....

    I really like comment and feedback but the comment and feedback you are trying to say is far beyond what people is trying to ask for.
    ***If you look at my site carefully about the headrest monitors then you will understand what I am trying to show people! It not just really about putting the headrest monitors in the car but to show them that they can do it too. Look at the Child Seat Help Tip too. I am doing the HELP TIP as well not just for my car. I even specifically show the screw and bolts for the the guards and side steps too and more. My site is not just really about my car but it is for the use of other Santa Fe owners if they need it. That's why I mentioned about dedicated! I am going to do the 2001 Rav4 when I have time to dedicated to the Rav4 owners too. You see I am not really doing anything that benefit me here and I get nothing out of it.

    ***At this point all I can say is "SORRY" but that's how I see about your comments and feedbacks****If I really do mistake I do apologized but I don't see anyone really apologized in this Discussion board yet! I have apologized before too and even now.****
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    hung0820hung0820 Member Posts: 426
    Wish I had some sidesteps so I could reach the top?
    Actually I do use some parts of the sidesteps to wash my roof too but the I mainly use the rear guard. I see you have 19mpg on daily average drive and mind is about 17mpg which I have mentioned before because of traffic in San Francisco. Hopefully tomorrow I have time to drive my car in the high hill/mountain tommorow to shoot the picture. I plan to drive up to the Twin Peak and then I will try to go to the Cliff House, etc..As you see I do this with all my spare time and shoot pictures and post in my website...The biggest reason why I do this because in case if anyone want to visit San Francisco and they can do the tourist base on this area. You can see it in my website on Galleries menu later. **Just to let you know I get nothing out of it but as least when my children grow up they are proud of what I have done for the community** Hopefully I can find someone that I knew have the Tribute and Forester so that I can do the similar project for them too.

    Does anyone out there have the 2001 Tribute/Escape and 2001 Forester that lived in San Francisco? Can you please contact me so that I can shoot pictures for the detail all about your vehicle? I want to develop a website for the Tribute/Escape and Forester as well to help this topic work better.
    travis@y2kcatalogs.com
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    tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    Pilot has left the plane... this baby is going down... quick, pass me that monitor crash helmet!
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    zorovaczorovac Member Posts: 2
    To bill tung;

    I can not imagine how you can paste someone's post from different site directly over here and try to use it for your own purpose.

    Although I am thankful to you for general information on santa fe, but I had to admit that I'm very disappointed at you . If you keep making yourself loud and proud, you will not only make santa fe fan angry but also will make non santa fe owners happy.

    I'm getting tired of this and I will not make any more posts directing at tung or anyone else regarding santa fe. This thread has become a nonsense really.
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    suvshopper4suvshopper4 Member Posts: 1,110
    Hung, I'm curious... Just what is it you are going to do that is "dedicated to the RAV4 owners too"?

    ejp
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    vin_weaselvin_weasel Member Posts: 237
    I would like to thank all the level minded people here for their comments to Bill and Hung. I guess my first attempt long ago at pointing this out failed and their always intelligent rebuttal made me just give up (I like my monitor and don't want to wreck it). I've decided now to ignore them and concentrate on what the other Sante Fe owners are saying.

    I also finally decided on an SUV. A Cherokee Sport. Why, you ask(or not)? Price combined with the ability to have off-road fun. It was the first vehicle I test drove that put a smile on my face. (btw, the new Rav is underpowered and felt like a toy.) The Santa Fe is comparable in price but for a multitude of personal reasons that so many others have pointed out including power to weight ratio, exterior design, etc it was never in the running. I know I'm not buying a perfect vehicle and I already know it has shortcomings, its just a matter of understanding them and finding the vehicle with the shortcomings that fit to what you want and that you can live with. This must also be balanced with the benefits of each vehicle of course.

    If I had the cash and wanted a good family hauler still capable of getting me to my campsite/trail head, I would rank the three title vehicles Forester, Tribute, Sante Fe. Just my opinion. If you want to know why, just say the word and I'll elaborate.
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