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We would all appreciate it if you and allmet33 would take your continuing
argudiscussion over these same issues to a more appropriate discussion. I know you both are familiar with some really good places for this.Thank you!!
Luxury car is whole package...atleast in my mind
First it will be a ding dong sales man...
Then it will be a ding dong service manager.. who will say what do you expect...You bought a Hyundai..
Then it will be a ding dong tech who will leave greasy foot prints..etc etc..
I am not saying all this will happen...or if it doesnt happen at other dealerships.
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All of that is well and good, but don't slam the car because of it. That'd be like someone saying a child is deficient in some way or another just because his daycare center has a couple of jacklegs that work there.
Hmm... Maybe the Genesis should be a latchkey kid! They could setup a little block house at a corner of the lot that deals exclusively w/ the Genesis (coupe and sedan.)
No...that isn't happening, but they do have loaners for those that bring their cars in for service and they need to keep the car for more than a day. Oil changes...I think they have a thing where they guarantee it done in 30 mins or it's free. So a loaner for just getting an oil change isn't even needed.
However, they have started washing your car for you no matter what you bring it in for.
don't believe you'll find any of sanjay's or my posts 'slamming' the Genesis, quite to the contrary both of us have said exactly the opposite. There are few that will debate the fact that it is a helluva car.
Its a great car for money
No doubts, no questions.
Infact its good to see the car invoking so many emotions
Will I buy it... Probably not
Not because of what it is... but because of what it pretends (in my mind) to be
Lets Move on....
Frankly I would never seriously consider a car for over $40,000 never mind one that is over $50,000. To me I would rather put the money elsewhere than make a statement to my neighbor or co-worker on what kind of car I own. But after 20 years of the same car, even though I do love driving Accords, I'm ready for a change. I fully expect to pay more for a car that I will like but how much more is the question.
So why the Genesis. Well for one it's a sharp looking car and I like the way it rides. It's larger than a Honda, fantastic sound system and other luxury features that I would never see with my beloved Honda. I haven't bought one yet but plan to sometime next year when prices become more competitive. I bet I'll be able to get a V6 Tech for $36,000 or less by late spring next year. That's affordable to me.
This whole debate on whether or not the Genesis is a luxury car and whether or not Hyundai is worthy of having a luxury brand is quite silly. I could not give a hill of beans what the badge of the car is if it's well made, looks sharp, rides well and has features I like. I remember when Honda was not highly regarded but built quality cars and eventually caught the public's attention.
I'm a perfect demographic for Hyundai. Someone who would like to buy up without the Lexus price tag. Honestly I hope that Hyundai never fully achieves "luxury" status with a Lexus or Mercedes because if it does then the car will no longer be within the reach of my demographic. So finally a car that gives incredible value for the dollar.
Will I buy it... Probably not
Not because of what it is... but because of what it pretends (in my mind) to be
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You're right, captain2, none of these types of comments "slam" the car! :a big rolleyes there: But that's a backhanded complement if I ever saw one. :sick: "What it pretends to be?!?"
With the economy the way it is... your wish will be granted very soon.
Here is SoCal (ZIPCODE 92626) 3.6L genesis with Tech package are going for 37.7K on carsdirect.com
I general you can get about $1000.00 less then what carsdirect says...
I was able to do so (Carsdirect - 1000) for several cars in early sept. At that time Genesis was selling at MSRP on Cars Direct.
Economy is much worse now...What a month can bring.
It is a good time to buy an automobile...enjoy the process
Sanjay
Actually, I see a lot of good things spring from the Genesis line (sedan and coupe) under Hyundai, aside from the competitive products themselves. Consider the intangible benefits that would transfer to other fleet within the company; consider the elevation of the overall image and consumer perception; consider...
It is probably too soon to grade the Genesis sedan, but the early verdict has been good, despite the status of the economy. Consumers have been purchasing $30K+ Hyundais, something unheard-of just a few short years ago. During last month in the US, the Genesis fared pretty well vs. the Japanese luxury competitors:
Infinit M - 1,077 units sold
Hyundai Genesis - 1,029 units sold
Lexus GS (inc. hybrid model) - 977 units sold
Acrua RL - 259 units sold
And, last but certainly not least, with regards to the Genesis being a luxury car - simply put, it is a luxury car - easiest decision I had to make today. The industry professionals thought the same thing so if anyone doesn't perceive the Genesis being as such, then you owe it to yourself to at least find out more information about the car, a test drive would be recommended
The Genesis beat out the new Acura TL, Infiniti G37 and Audi A3 in the under $50,000 Luxury category. Pretty elite company.
Other category winners included: Mazda 6, Audi A4, Lexus IS-F, Audi TTS, Suburu Forrester and others.
It will now compete for the prestigious AJAC Car of the Year. Many journalists have already stated they will choose the Genesis as their Car of the Year.
http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=b43de04e-0cb6-43ce-80aa-8e3795c78a0e
"Predicted winner: Hyundai Genesis.
Spending $40-plus thousand for a Hyundai might seem like a lot, until you drive one.
Extraordinary value for a car that will easily win the category and will have a good chance of winning Car of the Year."
http://autos.canada.com/tesfest/story.html?id=92a523fc-c323-485a-9ba7-eed0ebf861- cf
Hyundai Genesis
If you closed your wife's eyes and took her for a ride in the 2009 Genesis, she would swear you bought her a Lexus. When she found out you paid less than $50,000, you'd rise even higher in the good books.
It is remarkable how Hyundai managed to build a car that looks as good as a Lexus, drives as well as one, even has an interior that comes close (but not entirely succeeding here) to being as serene as Toyota's luxury brand.
The Genesis I drove was equipped with the 4.6-litre V8 producing - get this - 375 horsepower. The Korean Gods must have fainted when they saw that come off the dyno.
And what a lovely engine it is. Smooth with no hint of harshness and sonorous too.
Fuel consumption, even with the V8, is 12.6L/100km city, 8.1 highway, 10.6 combined.
A base Genesis starts at $37,995 but the as tested car with V8 rang in at $48,995
While the Genesis is getting lots of fabvorable attention, I still want Hyundai to address the suspension issue noted by Car and Driver and Automobile magazines and others. If the suspension is already rasing questions, what will happen as more of them get greater mileage and age?
http://www.speedtv.com/programs/hyundai-test-drive/
So if you are not watching any NFL game or are otherwise free, tune into Speed TV at 3PM Sunday 10/26. I laready have my DVR set to record it. Should be interesting.
I am going to have to challenge that statement - did Honda really upgrad its car lineup?
Marvin, let me know what area you are in and I'll see if I can find one in your neighborhood.
Also, I think the Genesis will do better in the premium market then the good Mazda Millenia r.i.p 1995-2002 & the Mitsubishi Diamante r.i.p. 1992-2004 lol ...remember both were class in the near-luxury market, but didn't have the luxury nameplate...same as the Genesis...idk if overall both were strong sellers, but I think the Genesis will shatter both their sales..probably theirs combined in time.
One more also lol...has anyone ever noticed that many 4.6 liter 8 cylinders is or was very well known (for the good) in the autmotive market....the 1 in the Genesis should be no exception
Taz16...
who is almost 19 by the way lol
Utter rubbish. The new Lincolns are very much luxury cars and totally deserving of the designation. And so is the new Genesis. Your bias is nauseating.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
And sandy, to answer your question, yes the shipments from Hyundai have slowed somewhat. The first allocation that I have seen with Genesi on it came out late last week. That means that dealers are operating on the initial orders that they placed back in April and May. If your dealers didn't order very many, or if the Genesis has been a good seller in your area, then things will continue to be a bit thin for another couple of weeks.
Not sure as the validity to that statement. I think it's more up to each dealership as to how many sales people will get the Genesis training. The dealership I frequent, I noticed that the sales folks all have something sitting on their desks saying they've received the Genesis training.
To be honest though...the only thing a sales person has to do is just read up on the darn thing. I'm sure there are a handful of folks that post in this forum that could go in and do a better job of selling a Genesis than most of the Hyundai sales people. I know Jeffreid is one of the few that makes sure his staff is well equipped with what they need to sell their product and I'm sure there are other managers like him as well, but...there's a great many that don't care one way or the other.
That is a dealer to dealer type thing. I just thought it would be a good idea to have some dedicated people to this product since most of the prospective buyers will most likely have elevated expectations from the "usual" Hyundai customer.
12 years ago, Lexus was looked at as a "bargin" luxury car to compete with the the Germans. Now an LS460 is $80,000 and no bargain anymore. Some over 100k.
Never thought I'd see the value in a 100k Lexus, or that people who actually buy them.
Hyundai is a in a far better positon that what VW was trying to do with the Phaeton.
Going from 30k cars to 80k ones is too much of a stretch for one brand. But sonatas that sticker for 28k to 40k genesis' is not that big of a leap.
People are looking for a reason for the Genesis to fail. The koreans can make a car every bit as good as the Japanese. They might not be 100% there, but they are getting really close.
The car market is really tough right now, and it's probably bad timing with the Genesis to do bang-up sales numbers. But over the long haul, it's a good car for them.
So, if you have a problem with the staff's lack of knowledge...raise cain with the sales manager or even the store owner because ultimately...an ignorant staff equals moeny lost!!!
My experience with many dealerships has been that the sales people know the least about the cars. Same at the Lexus dealership. Acura and Infiniti sales people seem more stable and far more knowledgeable. Around here most dealerships seem to change sales people about as often as I change socks. Have a neighbor who has gone from Buick to used car to Chevrolet in the last 3 years.
Worst experience I have had in last five years of going to eight differenet dealerships was with Lexus. Ignored in show room, no contact after the demo ride, failed to provide information when requested, etc. Coffee wasn't that good either.
In my case, the dealership I go to...the sales department is okay, but the service department is top notch. I've been going there for 6 years now ('02 Sonta & currently my '06 Azera) and the staff takes the time to get to know who they are dealing with so each visit feels personal. They also know how you like to take care of your vehicle and make sure to keep that in mind when servicing your car or making repairs.
I bought my Sonata from this dealer, but when it came time for me to get my Azera...they didn't do enough to get me into one there. Went to another dealer and bought it, getting the deal I was looking for and more on my trade in, but went back to the intial dealer for my service needs.
And it's interesting to note that industry generally agrees that the Maybach experiment was a failure. You can see it two ways: either as the marque being irrelevant for the ultimate success of the brand, or it being all-important as no other marque except the Olde English brands having the sufficient cachet for the ultra-luxury brand. I just think Maybach simply did not stand out.
When Lexus first came out, it actually broadened the luxury market by pulling lower the entry point. Into this relative vacuum the traditional luxury brands such as BMW and MB eventually expanded to fill by offering lower priced, previously Europe only models.
Go to Germany and see if the BMW brand is considered a luxury brand in substantially the same way as in the US. In short, No. In Germany, BMW is just a car company. There are some BMW models that induce equal amount of drool to Germans and Americans alike, but by and large, BMW is just another nice car maker.
I know of a dealership who is making it their priority to get the right people to sell this car and provide exceptional service. So, though the experiences vary from dealer to dealer, there are some out there that want to make a difference.
BTW Marvin, I'm also waiting for a Satin White Pearl V8 fully loaded. The whites are barely starting to show up. Heck, the V8's are now starting to appear at dealerships (depending on region).
Can you provide the info on where to find the Genesis badges? I'd love to keep people guessing what the car is. It's been fun to come out of stores and have guys standing around it with a puzzled look...saying "this is a Hyundai?"
Thanks for any help.
Allmet, I think you are dead on accurate with your "blue collar luxury" point. I see the Genesis aimed more at folks who don't have the budget for a 5 series or a LS460 but who want the looks and features that those type vehicles offer. Folks like me, blue collar middle class Joe 6 pack who otherwise will buy a non-luxury or near-luxury Maxima, TL, Passat, 300C etc. absent Hyundai's $34-40k V6 Genesis. I haven't driven one yet as my purchase is still almost a year away, but I have a feeling that the Genesis is exactly what I am looking for: A nice "affordable" "luxury" car that provides a "luxury" ride with "luxury" features that is still sporty enough to not look as if it belongs at the retirement home. I am not looking to impress anyone but me and I am not deterred by the fact that the Genesis doesn't wear a Lexus/MB/BMW badge. So, I guess put my vote in the corner that says admission to "luxury" status has more to do with the individual car than what badge is on the trunk lid.
People who say that admission to luxury status derives from the brand, in my opinion, would be those more focused on image and status. They wouldn't seriously consider anything outside of the typical tier 1 brands anyway as nothing else will provide the image and pampering that they want. I am not saying that as a jab or as a judgment of those folks by any means. My wife clearly prefers the Maxima and TL for no better reason than she can't get beyond the Hyundai label, so probably no Genesis for me.
Someone compared the cost of an oil change at Lexus versus Toyota. I personally would rather pay $30 at Toyota and sit on a milk crate in the middle of the shop floor in July than spend $79 at the Lexus dealer sitting on rich, Corinthian leather eating croissants and cappuccino but, hey, that's just my opinion. YMMV.
As far as sales not meeting expectations, geez, are any $35-40k sedans flying off the lot right now? Terrible timing for Hyundai but I don't see how any judgments regarding success or failure can really be measured under the economic circumstances.
I just received the Genesis wing yesterday and it is installed. Go to www.ebay.com
ebay motors under the parts and accessories section. Type in 2009 Hyundai Genesis KDM emblem. There is quite afew different places. You can purchase either front or rear separtely or as a pair. 17" & 18" center caps are there. Just be careful when you remove the exising emblem. They are mounted with 3m tape which is standard throughout the industry.
Doug
There aren't any V8's in white currently. Sorry for the confusion.
Just curious, why the Avalon if you go V6?
As far as the wife is concerned...go to the dealership on your own, but pick her up in the Genesis during your test drive (if it's possible). She may still have a hard time getting past the Hyundai label, but a ride in the Genesis will definitely make her second guess her opinion.
Well...maybe.
I have until August or September to change her mind but so far she's not giving in. I have the brochures for the Maxima, TL, Accord, G35, M35, S60, and the Genesis. She will not touch the Genesis brochure. It defies all logic that she apparently would rather drive an Accord than a Genesis. She is generally not materialistic and will readily wear walmart/target clothes but when it comes to cars, she gets picky and uppity. :sick:
I qualify for the Hyundai Associate Purchase Program so I know that I could buy under invoice, making a good buy even better. Oh well...
I would certainly pull the distance card on them and say, "Look...I drove 50 miles to get here, I think it's fair to allow me a good long drive to make sure this is the car I want as I'm considering the Max, TL, etc.
It seems that you don't have a defined size of car you're considering as your choices run from mid to large.
All this AND you qualify for an even greater discount on the Genesis??? Talk about jealous. :P
Good luck with whatever move you make...your list is made up of all fine cars in their own right. I would think if the Genesis is high on your list, but the wife insists against it...I would shoot for the M35/45.