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I really like the M35 also. At MSRP, it's way more than I want to pay. From my research here and elsewhere, it appears significant discounts are available which could get the M into my comfort zone. I will probably shoot a couple of Infiniti dealers an email and see where they stand in my area. If the general consensus is something like "we'll take 2k off sticker if you buy in the next 48 hours" then I will probably hit delete and move on to something else rather quickly. If they come out aggressive on price from the start, I will get real interested real quick and move the M way up the list of contenders. A base model M35 at an msrp of $43k would give me all of the "goodies" that I want anyway. (seems like I saw an ad in the Charlotte paper awhile back offering 6 or 7k off, but I can't remember now)
One concern I have is that when I checked the online inventories recently, all of the remaining M's were fairly heavily optioned and thus too pricey for me. I don't know how many low end models might be available, especially since we are both picky about colors. I will be buying around "closeout" time, so I am confident that I would do well enough on whatever I end up with.
Again...good luck!
I hope deals like that are available next August. If so, that's the car I will probably push for. I figured that you must be near me from reading some of your posts in the past. I'm in Greenwood, so any dealer from Atlanta to Charleston to Charlotte would be easily manageable. Where are you getting your info about Bradshaw Infiniti? (online, Greenville News, etc.) Do you have anything positive or negative to say about them or others in the region? thanks
I surprised my wife around noon (no, not that !). She came out with a big frown on her face, circled the car a time or two and pronounced that she did not like black cars. I said they came in different colors so not to worry, this was just a tester.
She got in the passenger seat and we took a spin. She was sitting ramrod straight, arms crossed and a look on her face like someone was holding a small turd under her nose.
I knew all was lost at that point and it would not have mattered if we were driving a Rolls Royce. It was not her idea so it had to be a bad idea !
As plans go, I agree this is a good one...but it reminds me of the time some guy was interviewing Mike Tyson back when he was in his hey day. The guy said that his next opponent had said that he would beat Tyson in their upcoming fight because he had a plan ! Tyson replied that everyone he fought had a plan.....until they got hit !
Long story short, I really liked the Genesis and thought it was very impressive. A really nice car and based on my short test I would certainly recommend to anyone to at least give it a shot.....but I am still driving my '02 Acura RL.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
nomenclature, but thy HAVE proven that they are building vehicles at a much higher quality level than just a few short years ago, and they take all the right stuff from every other manufacturer they are trying to emulate & compete against.
Sounds fishy.
Assuming they are being sold as new, in other words, not one with thousands of miles on the OD (i.e. demo), 33K does not bold well for the dealership, neither to the car brand. If Hyundai can sell a good amount of units of the Genesis, w/ relatively little discount, mind you, and even during the whole economic turmoil, then I don't think Infiniti and/or the dealer would be so desperate to resort discounting 10K+ on the M (assuming it's the barebone M35, which starts around 44K, IIRC). On the other hand, it's a great deal for the consumer, if what you're saying is true...
EDIT: is Bradshaw Infiniti the dealer you're talking about? Browsed around, cheapest M35 came in around $47K - nothing seemed to have indicated 33K M35 - didn't think so:
http://www.bradshawinfiniti.com/new-inventory/index.htm?start=70
You need to scroll down the main page at Bradshaw to see the special: 44325 msrp - 11375 discount = 32950. You missed the "sahara sandstone" in the inventory for 44325.
other NC/SC/GA dealers:
you need to dig around a little but most are on the "specials" page
Infiniti of Charlotte: 7521 off
South Atlanta: up to 12k off
Gwinnett: 33498
Crossroads: 8k off
Modern: up to 10k off
Edmunds incentives page shows 6000 mfr to dealer cash and a 1500 "sell down" bonus. (whatever that is; never heard that term before) I assume this means a total of $7500 mfr to dealer cash before you begin to negotiate any dealership discount off of sticker. It seems possible to see a +/- 10k discount for an educated negotiator. might be demos, might be smoke and mirrors -- I can't say with any authority.
Anyway, we probably need to drift back towards discussion of the Genesis; makes the hosts antsy when we get out of a narrow range.
Edit: I see a handfull of 08 M35's on ebay with miles in the low teens for 27xxx to 30xxx -- so 33-36k for a new one doesn't seem out of line.
There's also 2 new Genesis in Ohio on ebay: 36k msrp, buy it now for 33276 plus 275 fee. Another in Jacksonville NC 35k msrp, buy it now for 32450 so the discounting has begun on the Genesis also. FWIW
We Genesis owners are sick and tired of the extraneous trash posts Re:Lexus,
Infinity, ad nausea.
our Hosts have lost control just like our government and it's time for a change !
I also agree that the bashers should state their case and move on. I see it in many of the model-specific forums here on Edmunds. Where I might disagree is that, for whatever reason, the hosts don't particularly like it when conversations drift from the topic at hand. I personally think that someone considering the Genesis needs to look at the offerings from other mfrs as well. I think it is good reading to include comparisons and extraneous information on other models so that everyone can make their own judgments on what is available out there. Otherwise, you only need a few folks with positive viewpoints and a few with negative to state their case and then block the discussion to any further comment. What else remains to be said?
If the conversation about the M35 annoyed you, I apologize -- I am not quite sure from the tone of your message whether you are directing ire towards me for posting a few messages about the M35 or whether you were making a general statement that you are tired of people continually bashing a certain model and refusing to let it go.
it's time for a change !
That we definitely can agree on! with regards to politics, that is
If anyone that's truly considering the Genesis, all they have to do is read the comparison that was done (Captain won't like this one bit).
How does the Genesis 4.6 Stack Up
and if you need a lil more...
Genesis vs. GS350
then of course there's...
Inside Line's Genesis vs. GS350 Comparo
The 24mo leases will have 60 and 57 percent residuals for the V6 and the V8. Add 1% for 12k per year on the miles.
I thought that these looked lower than what I had seen here before, so if you are on the fence about leasing, and you can get better residuals today, I would go ahead and take advantage.
Do you know if the money factor changes?
Pretty much says it all. Although hopefully the Hyundai dealers won't adopt this phrase.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the Genesis detractors get on here and explain how the reviewer was paid off by Hyundai to write such a review!!!
Yesterday I switched dealers that had right interior color combo (tan / black leather trim) and champaign color, also they were a lot more accommodating on the lease term. Don't get me wrong, I know the economy is bad, but I left some money on the table, I wanted the dealer to make a little living and felt that the price of having not wait for months for the 'right deal' is worth the extra $ ...
The way I looked at it, I am paying for 2 year interest free loan, I already like the car and most likely I will make an offer on it at the end of the 24 month lease..
In the last month, I went back and drove 528i / 535i, M35, Lexus GS but could not get the right deal on a car that comparable with a fully loaded V8 Genesis, not to mention at some stage if one likes a particular car might as well go for it...you only live once!
I have been fortunate to have a good dealer experience, they even got the sales manger I was working to make sure everything went smoothly. On Sunday night I might add!...
Now to the car; the car drives much better that the V8 I test drove back in September, the drive is firm but very composed, I love how the interior lights up at night, everything works together very well indeed.
The V8 power is evident thought out the RPM range, although one must watch the needle because the car is so quite, even the Mrs was in the back seat mentioned “I know it is a new car!, but why are you going at 35?”, I answered; dear, I will get a ticket I go any faster than 60mph !!..
The one gripe I had with demo / V6 was the rear base speaker was exposed! well they listened intently and Hyundai got that fixed, so the lining on the V8 truck looks much, much better...
I suppose I should take my leave and switch over to the Genesis owners forum, although I have enjoyed being part of this forum and wish you all luck in you next car purchase...
Since you have driven both the V6 and the V8 Genesis models, can you list some of the differences you noticed in the power, smoothness, handling, etc?
Also, is the gearing in the V8 transmission taller than the transmission in the V6? I believe the 3.8L is at about 2150 RPM in top gear at 80 MPH. Is the 4.6L similiar?
I will agree that Hyundai has likely cannibalized Azera sales with the Genesis but sales are not the only objective of the Genesis offering. It's also about enhancing brand image. And it definitely accomplishing that for Hyundai.
In my opinion the V8 trumps the V6 on several levels;
Comfort/Esthetics;
First the leather is much softer. Which translates to more comfort, (as an example less sticky in hotter weather) also the seat is a little firmer.
The little touches; for example; the side chrome bar, the back light door sill. Small things but it does add to the pleasure of the driving experience.
Ride/power
I can truly describe the V8 as a ‘sports sedan’ because it is firmer and more composed than the V6 (also the ride is tuned much better than the demo V8s they had in the ‘discover genissis tour') .
The car handling is very precise, let me put it this way, my brother in law commented; “This car drives as if it is on magnetic / air suspended rails.”
The steering is very precise with some road feedback but not as harsh as BMW 5/Infiniti M45 however it is firmer than the Lexus GS 350. While I would describe the V6 (premium plus) to much closer to Lexus GS ride.
The steering radius is incredible on the V8, for example, I can dive in a shape of an 8 at the end of a cal-de-sac.! The steering turns more than two revolutions in either direction without any effort, at more than 70% angle!?
I took 90” turn at 30mph angle turn without the slightest hint of body roll. I am sure the car tilted I just did not feel it. I would say the electric powered steering does make a huge difference!
The V8 vehicle appears to anticipate the driving ‘mode’, I am beginning to get to used it! if you slowly press the gas pedal half way, then floor it, the car takes off and you are doing 80 before you know it. :shades:
If you try it floor it from a standstill, the traction / stability control kicks and power is greatly reduced which results in rather unpredictable acceleration pattern that takes the computers anything from 2 to 3 seconds to correct! :sick:
I have not had the chance to drive on an interstate yet! but in manual mode at 75mph, it was in third gear at 4500 rpm, so indeed, the ZF does appear to provide taller gears.
The Tech package is yummy, but if I had to choose the V6 Tech vs. the V8 (premium) I would choose the V8 in heart beat, (but that is me!
If I had to grade both vehicles, say V6 & v8 Tech (and I drove both Techs + a V6 premium) ..subjective observations, I would come with;
V 6 --- V8
Power Low End -- 7/10 -- 10/10 (under ideal acceleration conditions)
Power High End -- 8/10 -- 9/10 (manual mode).
Smoothness L/E -- 7/10 -- 9/10
Smoothness H/E -- 6/10 -- 10/10
Over all handling -- 8/10 -- 10/10
Hope that answers your questions
Autobytel Inc. Announces 2009 Autobytel / MyRide.com Editors' Choice Awards
Hyundai Genesis Named Car of the Year; The Best Kept Secret? (Shhh ... it's the Kia Borrego)
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Autobytel-Inc-Announces-2009-Autobytel/sto- - ry.aspx?guid=%7B99BDA3DE-47BE-4232-9B64-1C0AC64B393D%7D
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Any one watching the The Unit last night? I couldn't believe it but they were driving a Genesis on the show!
Thanks!! I missed it, so I went back and watched it online. Nice.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/the_unit/video/video.php?cid=446409735&category=epi- - sodes&play=true
Interesting that Car and Driver and Automobile magazines had such differing comments on performance and suspension and possibly drove the same or similar courses. How will the car hold up after a few thousand miles?
Hopefully by 2010, they will upgrade the V6 with some of the features from the V8 and iron out any problems that might come up.
If you have a tech package equipped Genesis you will need to take it to your dealer and have the TSB done. It fixes some major bugs. Thats if your VIN is in that range. The updates will have to be done at the dealer and will take up to an hour but it could take a little longer. It's a hard drive model and it's a lot of data. DIS is the nav system but controls things like the audio system, bluetooth and other in car functions.
It would seem by dropping the 8-speed tranny in...they are shooting for the LS. Personally...I feel they should leave it alone.
And yes, I agree that there comes a point where the benefits of having extra gears (smoother shifts, better performance, better mpg) will not outweigh the costs (of design, production and typically added weight).
Agreed, many manufacturers are having some drivability issues with these high multiple gear trannies. Both Genesis engines are plenty flexible enough (torque wise) to live quite happily with 6 (or even 5 speeds), an 8 speed is for those folks that think more must be better,. Logically it should be more expensive to repair and more likely to break simply because it is more complicated. As Toyota has proven with the jump to a 6 speed from a 5 speed in the Avalon, for example, there may be no gain in FE and they did experience some teething problems with those early 6 speeds.
If Hyundai decides to put an 8 speed in a future Genesis beware! Hyundai is not changing its quality image appreciably (reference CR 12-08) and any serious tranny problem, for example, would only serve to work against what they are working for.
If people wanted a simple car, with fewer things to break, they would not be even thinking about a car in this class. A base Accent hatchback with a stick and 2/55 air conditioning maybe.
This info came from the korean newspaper after interviewing the chief of hyundai powertrain center. What the chief said was they finished the development of 6sp automatic transmission this august and it's alread in the production. And they are still developing 8sp and plan to produce in 2010.
Where oh where? I live in a large auto market (So CA) and drive Ventura, LA and Orange counties weekly. I have not seen one Genesis on the road. The only Genesis I have actually seen, (6) were at the Thousand Oaks dealer that performs service on my Azera.
The 2009 Hyundai Genesis’ six-speed automatic transmission is one smooth-shifting gearbox, but Hyundai’s not content to rest on its laurels. For 2010, Genesis V-8 models will be mated to an all-new eight-speed transmission.
Unlike the present six-speed transmission offered with the 4.6-liter ‘Tau’ V-8, the eight-speed transmission is not a ZF design, but one designed and fabricated entirely by Hyundai. Though not yet announced, we’re betting the V-6 Genesis model will stay with the six-speed automatic, which comes from Aisin.
The eight-speed matches the number of speeds offered on the Lexus LS, beats that of most Mercedes-Benz models by one, and will match that of the BMW 5- and 7-series, when those ranges begin using ZF’s eight-speed transmission.
Source: Green Car Advisor
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/#/performance/
"$1,900.00 under invoice on all V6 Genesis"
From now until the end of November, we will be discounting our V6 Hyundai Genesis $1,900.00 under invoice. For an example a 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 equipt with both Premium and Technology Package, has a MSPR of $40,000.00. But with your $1,900.00 in savings your price will be $35,713.00, that's over $4,200.00 in savings.
I guess that means one could pick up a base Genesis for under $30k + T&L.