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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    The Fusion is not a stoplight marvel; it's actually slower than basically all of its competition. It's a lot of fun to drive though. Those things can be exclusive of one another. A Camry XLE V6 is REALLY fast but not a driver's car.

    I think you nailed it grad... every time I bring up how I enjoy a good handling car because it is fun for me to drive, others try to say a car can't be that engaging or "competitive" if it's not fast in 0-60 times or have amongst the highest HP numbers.

    My Mazda is relatively fast compared to other midsize cars, but is nowhere near the fastest. It is, however, extremely fun to drive. I couldn't beat everyone on the road in a drag race, but then I don't want to either because that's not what I find fun. I just want a car that feels glued to the road when I drive it spiritedly while being comfortable for my passengers when I'm not pushing it. A "driver's car" is not necessarily the fastest car... but a car that changes directions quickly with more control than other cars.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    There is nothing wrong with that 2.4l Chrysler developed with its friends and if you like constantly copying your music all over with a USB 1.1 connection, then myGig is cute too

    Actually, I have the 3.5L version. And no USB to hassle with. I just load a CD and rip it straight to the HD and create multiple virtual jukebox albums. They say it can hold up to 1,600 songs. The Gracenotes database so far has taken care of automatically naming each stored album.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    The Fusion is not a stoplight marvel; it's actually slower than basically all of its competition. It's a lot of fun to drive though. Those things can be exclusive of one another. A Camry XLE V6 is REALLY fast but not a driver's car. The Sebring is just neither.

    Having owned a Ford product before my latest purchase, I test drove a Fusion 3.0L AWD. I personally didn't think it was as much fun as the Sebring. I also sat in a Camry in the showroom and that's as far as I wanted to get to know it.

    I'll admit that a Sebring is not REALLY fast but stoplight wars is not why I bought it. I find all of these 0-60 acceleration debates rather entertaining. Whenever I want to go REALLY fast I drive my other car pictured below. ;)

    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/roadijeff/viper-5.jpg
  • And no USB to hassle with. I just load a CD and rip it straight to the HD and create multiple virtual jukebox albums. They say it can hold up to 1,600 songs. The Gracenotes database so far has taken care of automatically naming each stored album.

    So its like an iPod except its not portable and you can't take it with you?
  • Today I wimped out and drove to work instead of braving the 15F degree temps again on my bicycle.

    Off topic, but I just had to comment since I also drive a midsize sedan, and have been biking to work lately. How far is your commute? How many times per week? What kind of bike are you using? How do your co-workers react? Sometimes, I feel like Steve Carrell in "40 Year Old Virgin" except I actually own a car and just choose to bike sometimes, for the enjoyment of it.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Ah yes, the fine art of bench racing. My '87 Yugo only weighs X pounds and has that Fiat engine, and since Italians are always faster than Japanese, it will be faster and more efficient on the street I am sure.

    Bench racing is much safer stoplight racing, especially when the bull has been traversing the virtual bench.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    As I cruised along enjoying the heated leather seats, auto climate control, a Dr. Pepper in the chilled cup holder, MyGIG tuned to Sirius Ch 14 (Classic Rock)

    My Saturn Aura XR has basically the equivalent of all of those features except the heated/cooled cup holders. It does have XM instead of Sirius. It also has heated leather seats, auto climate control. I believe loaded versions of most mid-size cars in 2008 have most if not all of these features. The Sebring is hardly unique.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    drwilsc-

    My father-in-law had his CX-7 in to get new tires, and we put him in a loaner from Enterprise, since we were out of loaners at my Mazda store, and it was a Aura XR. I went for a ride in it with him, and I must say I was pleasantly surprised. The car had nice acceleration, quite ride, and the build quality seemed to be pretty darn good, compared to what we are accustomed to from Saturn. Competition surely does improve the breed.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    So its like an iPod except its not portable and you can't take it with you?

    I wouldn't say it's not portable - it certainly goes wherever the car goes. :D

    My wife has an iPod Nano that I have absolutely no interest in. When I'm not in the car I never listen to music but I've never been much of a music person before this car anyway. I'm not sure if I'll renew the satellite subscription after my initial one-year free trial but it's been fun to tinker with for the first 4 months.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    So its like an iPod except its not portable and you can't take it with you?

    I wouldn't say it's not portable - it certainly goes wherever the car goes.


    By that logic, built-in NAV systems are portable too! :P
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    Off topic, but I just had to comment since I also drive a midsize sedan, and have been biking to work lately.

    Check your carspace mailbox. I had a long bicycling-related reply but I figured it was better to go email since these other guys seem to just want to race their iPods from stoplight to stoplight. :D
  • Bench racing is much safer stoplight racing, especially when the bull has been traversing the virtual bench.

    * Noted :)
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    So its like an iPod except its not portable and you can't take it with you?

    Actually, there are very few similarities between a MyGIG multimedia infotainment system and an iPod. Correct me if I'm wrong but some of the following features might not be available on an iPod:

    1. Load a CD and rip it directly to the HD
    2. Play a DVD movie
    3. GPS nav system with real-time traffic re-routing
    4. AM/FM/Satellite radio
    5. Seamless integration with Bluetooth compatible cell phones
    6. UConnect hands-free voice control

    Did I miss anything? www.chrysler.com/mygig

    If anything, this certainly has been a refreshing change from the dragstrip acceleration debates. :D
  • Actually, there are very few similarities between a MyGIG multimedia infotainment system and an iPod.

    I would concur. The iPod only provides audio and video to a given system.

    1. Load a CD and rip it directly to the HD

    It can certainly do that, that is what its made for. Rip music to the computer, upload it to the iPod, and then it is with you from that point on with no need to copy it 27,000 times. Then I have it in the car, when I'm jogging or cycling, at work, at home, at the grocery store...

    2. Play a DVD movie

    Same deal; even my Nano supports video and can not only connect to my car, but also my home stereo and television. Or, I can watch it directly on the iPod.

    3. GPS nav system with real-time traffic re-routing

    Okay, so the $170 iPod can't do navigation with real time traffic, but my $99 cell phone can, and it too works when cycling or on foot.

    4. AM/FM/Satellite radio

    Since I am sure you aren't bragging about the AM/FM radio, the only thing I can come up with is a service you want me to pay $10/mo for the privilege of listening to a DJ in some distant place play the same things I can listen to my local DJ playing for free? Other manufacturers are including "Hi Def" FM radios so its CD quality sound, just like satellite.

    5. Seamless integration with Bluetooth compatible cell phones
    6. UConnect hands-free voice control


    I think I am having trouble coming up with vehicles that don't have a hand's free bluetooth option, you can even get it on a Focus now.

    I guess I am just not that impressed with adding a hard drive to a 90s technology navigation system and 5 year old bluetooth system. Not that there is anything wrong with the technology, just not that impressive to me. I just can't get past the idea that there is no reason for a hard drive in the car.

    Maybe if the car could download movies via the satellite and store them on the hard drive for the kids to watch on trips, that might be cool, but for music, I will stick with my portable beloved iPod.
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    My '96 Buick has heated/cooled cupholders using a/c ducting. Are they using any different methods in '08?
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,197
    in the year 2008? The way things are going with the economy, I think GM should offer a -2.9% financing option over 60 months!

    Has anyone ever tried negative financing rates? The interest earned could help pay a small part of your monthly payments/bills.

    Looks like car sales will be down from 2007 for 2008.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    My '96 Buick has heated/cooled cupholders using a/c ducting. Are they using any different methods in '08?

    Most certainly. As in the example I gave the other day I had the auto climate control set on 75F, blowing out just the right amount of heat from changing places to keep me comfortable while the outside air was below freezing.

    In my heated/cooled cupholder I had the cool mode on to keep my can of Dr. Pepper chilled down to 35F. The same cupholder can warm a beverage up to 140F degrees. It is not part of the cabin heating and cooling system.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    1. Load a CD and rip it directly to the HD

    It can certainly do that, that is what its made for. Rip music to the computer, upload it to the iPod, and then it is with you from that point on with no need to copy it 27,000 times. Then I have it in the car, when I'm jogging or cycling, at work, at home, at the grocery store...


    Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but I can't seem to find where anyone can insert a CD into the iPod my wife has. The whole unit is less than 1/2 the size of a CD anyway.

    And, unlike an iPod, I didn't have to first rip any music to a computer HD and then download it to something else to listen to the music. One rip directly to MyGIG and that's all that was needed. I didn't even have to do that if I just wanted to keep listening to it on the CD.

    2. Play a DVD movie

    Same deal; even my Nano supports video and can not only connect to my car, but also my home stereo and television. Or, I can watch it directly on the iPod.


    Again, I'm having trouble locating where someone would insert a DVD into an iPod to watch a movie.

    6. UConnect hands-free voice control

    Also, I'm pretty sure that no iPod offers voice command control.

    Anyhow, you're the one who initially said the MyGIG was basically an iPod that isn't portable. I was just pointing out how different they are.

    And to the other person who replied to this, the military has a howitzer that is defined as being portable.

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/singapore-unveils-new-airportable-semimobile- -155mm-pegasus-howitzer-01414/
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    Maybe if the car could download movies via the satellite and store them on the hard drive for the kids to watch on trips, that might be cool, but for music, I will stick with my portable beloved iPod.

    Wouldn't it be easier if they would just make the car a wireless device so you could see it on your home network? That way you could copy music, movies, pics, etc directly to the hard drive in the car while it sits in the garage. I would definitely buy that option. It is pointless to me to have to copy songs to my iPod then again to the hard drive in my car. One or the other is fine, but not both IMO.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,018
    A coworkers son had his mustang setup like that. As soon as he pulled into the garage it would connect with his home computer over wireless G and sync his mobile music with the home pc automatically. I don't know the brand but such products do exist.

    The point with iPod interfaces is that so many people already have them and already have their music loaded. This avoids having to maintain multiple copies of the music. It also lets you listen to downloaded music without having to burn a CD first.

    Ford's Sync gives you voice control over your music player (not just iPods but Zune and others as well) and your cell phone with bluetooth features. And the software is upgradeable via a usb flash drive.
  • Following the tradition of the Edmunds Long Term Test wrap-ups, here is some information on my Midsize Sedan.

    What I Purchased & Price Paid

    One year ago I purchased a brand new 2007 Honda Accord LX Sedan with a 5-speed manual. Silver with a black interior, straight off of the local dealer's lot. The new 2008's were on the way, so I was able to fairly easily negotiate a price of $300 below invoice, or $17,825 (invoice was $18,125). MSRP was $20,125.

    Why I Bought It

    I looked at other vehicles, including sedans, which had the Accord beat in some areas. Other choices had more features for the dollar (Hyundia Sonata), handled better (Ford Fusion), could carry more (Mazda6 5-door), etc... but in my opinion the Accord was the option that did everything well, and the smooth engine and excellent manual transmission sealed the deal. The Mazda6 came in a very close second.

    How It Drives

    For me, the manual transmission really gives the Accord a good driving personality. The gearing is low for great acceleration, and closely spaced pedals are perfect for heel-and-toe downshifts. The ride is firm enough that you can feel the road, but not too harsh as to be uncomfortable. The engine is a masterpeice. This exact configuration was tested by Car and Driver as going 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, about average for the class but very good for a four-cylinder. They gave it high praise all around.

    In my opinion the handling is above average. There is one section of road on my commute with a very sharp curve; the speed limit on the road is 35 mph, and a sign warns of the turn and recommends 25 mph. On the outside of the curve, the ditch and tree line is scarred from the fates of cars whose enthusiastic drivers tried to carry extra-legal speed but failed to negotiate through properly. I can take this curve at 45 mph without much tire noise and the car gives great feedback about how much grip is left. I don't see any need for increased handling, but when I replace the tires I have a feeling that a more sport-oriented tire will give less body roll and improved grip.

    Other Experiences

    The cabin is comfortable with four adults on board, the trunk is large and the rear seats fold flat, and I have been surprised at the amount of stuff I have been able to carry inside the vehicle including bicycles, misc. lumber and 10-foot peices of moulding, a Labrador Retreiver, and enough luggage for my wife to take a weekend trip (not all at once, of course). This flexibility is one of the primary reasons I chose a midsize sedan.

    Maintenance and Operating Costs

    The Accord has been very inexpensive to operate, averaging 29 mpg to date. The worst observed tank was 24.5, and the best observed tank was 35. Two oil and filter changes as recommended by the "maintenance minder" system (which monitors driving habits, other operating conditions, and accumulated engine revs) were $25 each at the local dealer, and the car has not required any additional service, scheduled or otherwise.

    Residual Value

    After one year and 13,500 miles, on average Edmunds TMV (and other pricing guides including the "Real World Trade In Values" forum) estimate the Accord is worth about $15,500 private party. This equates to 87% of the price I paid, and 77% of MSRP, or a first year depreciation of 13% and 23% respectively.

    Conclusion

    Any negatives? Well, it would have been nice to have iPod connectivity, which I fixed with an FM transmitter. Plus, the styling is nice but sometimes I wish it stood out more. Overall, at this time I'm still very pleased with the Accord. It has been very economical, it appears to have held its value very well, has had no major issues, has met all of my needs, and is fun to drive.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    SVT is still around to an extent but this news from MT makes me wonder if they've been working hard somewhere top secret.

    The EcoBoost engine, which is currently scheduled to debut in a performance version of the Fusion, could be the more fuel efficient alternative for Mustang in the long term. Depending on spec, the EcoBoost is capable of up to at least 415hp, and has the torque to match a regular V-8.


    415 HP in a Fusion? I doubt it. But I think that motor makes something around 340 out of the box IIRC. Couple that with AWD and, well, you can do the math. :shades:
  • Car sales down for 2008? Sir, apparantly you didnt read the posts above yours. There are posts from a private buyer who was talked in to buying a Dodge Sebring "The Darling of the Rental Car Fleet", complete with a pricey radio. That gives me plenty of hope for the coming year.
  • Wow. That's a whole lot of review for a basic, practical, appliance-like car. At least you got a 2007, before they went to the new "god awful" design.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Thanks for the detailed review! Have you driven the 2008 Accord, and if so how do you think it compares to your car?
  • colloquorcolloquor Posts: 482
    Car sales will be down in 2008, as we're not about to enter a recession, we're already in the leading-edge of one. Washington is always late responding to economic indicators of a recession. The only question now is how deep will it be? It could be a bad one, and if so, it doesn't bode well for those auto manufacturers who were already having problems.
  • It's time to cull the heard anyhow. Let the consumers decide who lives and who dies. Many will go the way of Deawoo, but the ones that remain will be stronger.

    .......I still say though, that if there are people out there willing to pay hard-earned money for a Dodge Sebring, the market cant be all that bad.
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    The recent comparo between the new Malibu, new accord, and Camry, all with 4 cyl automatics had the Malibu at 9.5 secs, the Accord at 9.3 secs and the Camry fastest at 9 or 9.1 secs for 0-60. Does the manual make that much difference or is the '08 that much slower or is the '07 C&D car modified?
  • Anyhow, you're the one who initially said the MyGIG was basically an iPod that isn't portable. I was just pointing out how different they are.

    Oh, I wasn't saying MyGig was basically a stagnant iPod, I was just saying an iPod has most of the features and functionality of MyGig and doesn't require storing the same information in a bunch of places. Beyond that, most other manufacturers support connectivity of the iPod (or in some cases, other MP3 players as well) where you can rip your music to your iPod in the comfort of your home (unless you just like sitting in the car) and then bring it with you.
    Hard drives in cars for music have been around since VW did the music-keg in the 90s. Amazingly, they still haven't caught on that much...
    I am glad the system meets your needs and you are enjoying your car, that is really what its all about.
  • Wouldn't it be easier if they would just make the car a wireless device so you could see it on your home network? That way you could copy music, movies, pics, etc directly to the hard drive in the car while it sits in the garage.

    Then you would still have to be copying your music again and again. With an iPod, you only have to do it once and its with you from then on.

    It is pointless to me to have to copy songs to my iPod then again to the hard drive in my car. One or the other is fine, but not both IMO.

    Yeah most systems allow you to access and charge your iPod in the vehicle, I think its ridiculous to have to keep copying your files from one place to another. Starting with the system in the BMW, you just access your files directly on the iPod, with no copying of songs or files.
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