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I hope folks understand that DI fuel pumps are under 16,000 PSI of pressure.This is not some fuel pump off an 86 Cavalier that should last 150k. My car does have one of those type though....it is for cruising and THAT is part of how it gets over 30mpg. It is also how I was able to finish my repair jobs, a trip to Walmart, and then to the dealer for repair of the high pressure Fuel pump. So, it technically never left me stranded.
Since I just made a $500 payment, I am down to $7,900 or so. I am SO EXCITED to pay it off!!!>
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
My wife who doesn't know anything about cars said that one reason for her choosing the VW Golf Sportwagen over the Subaru Forester was the transmission, the other reason being the interior quality. For her to notice that the drive train on one is superior (despite Subaru's very good 2.0T) says a lot; it says a ton!!! Yes, I had her test drive the Forester XT (with the better 2.0T) vs. the lethargic 2.5, and even with the very nice engine, the CVT zaps it a bit. Granted, it's not a fair comparison as CVT is the worst kind of transmission vs. the TDI's dual clutch DSG which I believe to pretty much be the best transmission money can buy. VW doesn't always use the DSG in all their models though, I don't even think the exact same car with the 1.8T uses the DSG. I guess they figure if you skimp on the engine you'll be OK with skimping on the slush box; whereas with their TDI's it's all about efficiency.
Paddle shifters allow for manual control through 6 pre-set "gears", which is great for bad weather here in Colorado. Downshifting rather than using the brakes when going down steep hills allows you to maintain control.
We averaged about 28MPG on a recent 1700 mile road trip, where we were doing 80-85 on the interstate.
The car has only 6000 miles on it so far, so I can't speak to longevity or maintenance costs just yet.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
I think your mileage is very impressive given the Outback is a fairly large vehicle and you have the big V6 engine. I believe your 3.6R helps the CVT work better than the 2.5. I think your 3.6 has similar output to Subaru's new 2.0T as in the new Forester XT. That engine might be even better than you think, but you just don't realize it with the CVT.
However, I would find it very interesting to hear you opinion if Subaru would make you a custom vehicle exactly the same as you recently purchased, but with VW's DSG transmission unit in it instead of the CVT. I think the differences might surprise you, and you just might change your mind. I think Subaru needs to pay VW/Audi to license that DSG unit; they could still make and try to sell their CVT at a lower cost point. It would certainly make the STI more appealing to me as a daily driver.
I, too, was surprised at the mileage we achieved on our road trip last month. EPA lists the car at 20/27, so we got the highway number pretty much on the nose.
I have test driven a VW CC with the DSG transmission; I wasn't terribly impressed with it, especially in around town driving. Felt jerky when moving away from a stop. Perhaps with more time and experience, I might feel differently. If I were ever to get a GTI, it would be equipped with a stick shift.
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When I'm ready to lease my next car towards the end of next year, I plan to test drive a whole lot of different offerings. I'll see if I can include a newer model VW with the DSG among them.
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I also found that you need to drive them hard every once in a while to keep the clutches cleaned off.
Now the ones in the Ferrari 458 Italia and the Porsche 911 GT3 that I drove on a racetrack - absolute perfection. Then again they probably cost as much as a Focus.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-honda-accord-photos-and-info-news
2015 Accord EX vs. 2016 Accord EX
Looks like a lot of added features at this level compared to the current model: HD radio, split folding rear seat, restyle/aluminum hood/new wheels, better smart phone integration/larger screen, XM, remote start, Homelink, LED fogs/DRLs/ tail lights, etc.
Probably the biggest thing is the capability for Apple iPhone CarPlay and Android Auto to work on the new software with bigger screen.
I'm getting used to the new styling and beginning to like it.
Some very nice upgrades for me, at least in terms of how much I would would pay for these things, but I'm hoping for an increase of only $500 or so. We'll see.
Anyway, here's how I'd value these thing, in just a very subjective "what they're worth to me" way.
HD radio: $100
split folding seat: $200
new styling/wheels: $300
larger screen/CarPlay: $300
XM: $100
remote start: $300 (we have a one car garage, and my wife gets it)
Homelink: $100
LEDs: $200
For me, anyway, it seems to add up to a c. $1600 upgrade. Even though great discounts are available on the 2015s, for me personally I think it's worth waiting.
But my current ride, a 2008 Accord with 75k miles, is completely paid off, and has been since I bought it. Don't have the money now to buy a new car like that, although my credit is still excellent and I could do a downpayment in addition to the trade. But my current Accord has relatively new tires and nothing really wrong with, and so I'll probably keep it for another year or two.
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'24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
Also. instead of a new Integra...we get the conservatively styled ILX? I can see the Civic lines in it like they didn't even try to at least make it sportier. The Integra was their highest selling car of all time. Why can't the bean-counter's get it? The need an entry model, racy looking civic based car that doesn't look exactly like a Civic. Are you guys following? Such good technology in boring, Beak nose bolted on a standard boxy body. I WANT TO SEE AN INTEGRA IF YOUR LISTENING ACURA.THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR IT.
I think your mileage is very impressive given the Outback is a fairly large vehicle and you have the big V6 engine. I believe your 3.6R helps the CVT work better than the 2.5. I think your 3.6 has similar output to Subaru's new 2.0T as in the new Forester XT. That engine might be even better than you think, but you just don't realize it with the CVT.
However, I would find it very interesting to hear you opinion if Subaru would make you a custom vehicle exactly the same as you recently purchased, but with VW's DSG transmission unit in it instead of the CVT. I think the differences might surprise you, and you just might change your mind. I think Subaru needs to pay VW/Audi to license that DSG unit; they could still make and try to sell their CVT at a lower cost point. It would certainly make the STI more appealing to me as a daily driver.
One vehicle with a great CVT is the Ford Fusion Hybrid. I took many test drives in the Legacy and one in the Accord. Both were 4 cylinders. Loved the Legacy. Hated the Accord. It came down to the vehicle with the best ride for me. I thought that I would never own a CVT, but now I don't notice it. Sure I miss the power of the V6 I had in my 2009 Fusion, but I'm loving the increased mileage and just a great all around vehicle.
The Acura beak has been toned down so much that it's not really an issue imho. Although, apparently Acura is going to introduce a new "design language," as they say, in the next couple of years.
As to why we are discussing Acura in the midsize thread, the base Acura TLX (msrp 31,445) actually lists for only about $3k more than an Accord EXL (28,420). For that three grand you actually get a lot of stuff, including a longer warranty. I've been tempted by the TLX for my next car.
More details on the significant upgrades for the 2016 Honda Accord. In addition to the restyle, and adding the 7" touchscreen with ability to do Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, Honda has also strengthened the structure of the Accord (which was already best-in-class), as well as improved the steering and suspension.
The 19" wheels for the Sport still look a bit freaky to me, but for younger buyers esp. there's almost certainly a market for such extreme stuff.
The 2016 Accord is supposed to go on sale by the end of August. In other words, they being made at Marysville, Ohio, already....
https://www.android.com/intl/en_us/auto/
And here's the 2 minute video about how you can use Google maps, set reminders, etc.:
The 2015 Camry was substantially revised and updated (see review from Edmunds below), and so it's unlikely there will be many (or even any) changes for 2016. The Camry is considered reliable, safe, and a good value, but in most comparison tests with other midsize cars the Camry ranks toward the bottom. Would you consider alternatives, or are you settled on Toyota?
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/camry/2015/#/leaderboard-reviews-3-anchor
"Full Expert Review: 2015 Toyota Camry
What's New for 2015
The Toyota Camry receives a thorough overhaul for 2015, a mere three years after a complete redesign. Highlights include all-new exterior styling, improved handling and a revised interior with more equipment and better materials...."
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-10best-cars-of-2015-feature
PS By the way, why do you have a pic of Putin as your avatar? Just wondering.
In terms of list prices, the Accord and Camry are virtually the same for the base models. The LX auto Accord has an msrp of 22,905, while the Camry lists for 22,970.
But the Accord has a more advanced engine (VTEC with direct injection) and imho a more advanced transmission. That means the Accord accelerates to 60 a little faster, and is rated by the EPA to get 3 more mpg than the Camry (31 mpg combined for Accord vs. 28 for Camry). That's only going to save you maybe a couple hundred bucks a year in gas, but...every little bit helps.
The Accord has slightly higher crash test ratings than the Camry.
The Accord has standard dual zone climate control, while on the Camry that costs extra. This just lets the person in the passenger seat have a different temp than the driver, in case that's wanted. We use this feature a fair amount.
The Accord has slightly better rear visibility than the Camry. The Camry isn't bad, compared to some cars, but the Accord has slightly thinner rear roof pillars.
The Accord has a slightly larger trunk, 15.8 cubic feet, vs. 15.4 for the Camry.
The Accord comes standard with nice-looking alloy wheels, while I think the base Camry has plastic wheel covers.
The Accord has slightly higher resale value than the Camry.
Most people also think the interior controls of the Accord are a little nicer and slightly higher in quality than a Camry.
But, perhaps balancing some of that out, the Camry tends to cost a little less in the "real world," because Toyota sometimes has bigger rebates and incentives.
As for Putin, i just love and respect him a lot - he's an amazing guy. Don't pay attention to what they're saying on American TV. He's a true visionary, a man with a big heart and a bright mind.
The Altima is not a bad car at all, but to some degree you get what you pay for.
For $30k you should be able to get a really nice car. Discounts are big right now, even on Accords. For instance, here's a loaded Accord EXL V-6 with Navigation that has a list price of $33k, but this dealer in Nashville, Crest Honda, has marked it down almost 4k to 29k:
http://www.cresthonda.com/new/Honda/2015-Honda-Accord-92ea1d6d0a0a00646c10d3e1918ddd6a.htm
Also, consider trying Edmund's Price Promise, which should help you negotiate a price.
And, just my 2 cents, here's the midsize car that I'm considering when I replace my 2008 Accord: The Acura TLX. The base model has a list price of $32k, but in some markets, with a lot of negotiation, it can sometimes be had for c. $29k or so. Here's a video review of it:
The list prices for the 2015 Accords go from the LX at c. 22k to all the way up to the top of the line Touring at c. 34.
In other words, you should still be able to get a nicely equipped midlevel 2016 EX Accord for c. 26k or so, which seems well within your budget. You could probably even make it to the EXL. If you wait even a couple of months for them to ramp up production, my guess is that some discounts will be available.
Other cars to consider for midsize include the Kia Optima, the Ford Fusion, and the Hyundai Sonata.
As you can tell, I'm a Honda/Acura guy, but all of the midsize cars are pretty good these days.
http://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-generation-tlx-2015-415/tlx-totaled-rip-934321/
'24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
benjaminh:
I have checked out the Kia Optima, the Ford Fusion, and the Hyundai Sonata (i mean, looked them up and made some comparisons), still, it's between Camry and Accord for me.And thank you all for being so helpful, informative and on point - made my day!
Glad we could be of some help. Hope you'll keep us updated on your shop, and let us know what you buy.
http://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/30932/honda/accord/2015-honda-accord-prices-paid-and-buying-experience/p32
The guru or Yoda for the Accord buying and price thread is a guy named Brian125. Maybe read a few pages and look at his advice. You might save thousands....