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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    2018 Accord headroom front/rear (w/o moonroof; with) 39.5/37.3; 37.5/37.2

    2018 Camry headroom w/o moonroof 38.3/38.0; 37.5/38

    In other words, the Accord's swoopy styling does sacrifice a little bit of rear headroom, but not much.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    I don't sit back there. so who cares!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    edited August 2017
    stickguy said:

    I don't sit back there. so who cares!

    But the rear seats are very important: remember the negative hoopla about the Gen 8 Malibu's rear legroom (which was actually longer than the contemporary HyKia twins.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    I wonder how it affects visibility.
    You're still beating the dead Malibu horse? Let it go. It's a new day and a new 'bu.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    Once the many people in the Houston area start getting their lives back together, a lot of them are going to need new vehicles.
    Are they going to 'bunker down' and buy even more CUV's, or still be ok buying a sedan?
    Could be another nail in the minivan-like decline of mid size sedans.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    maybe not. seems that an awful lot of people getting wiped out are on the poor end of the spectrum. And they are not all going to be out buying brand new cars after this.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    If gas goes high enough and for long enough, Houston may give some new life to sedans. But odds are against that happening, if the gasoline market is honest at least.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    the gasoline market has never been honest I don't think. Newer CUVs get pretty good mileage though. Maybe not as good as the newest midsize sedans, but probably same as 1-2 generations ago. Stuff like a CRV that can get a legit 32 or so highway is plenty for most people.

    Besides, Houston is in Texas, where every other car already is a full sized PU truck.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Good point. They various PU makers often even have special Texas editions. But urban Houston may be a bit different. I don't really know. Then Again, isn't Gilley's somewhere around there?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    Top 6 2017 ytd car sales for January through August....

    Civic 248,928 -2.6%

    Camry 247,775 -7.1%

    Accord 221,013 -4.5%

    Corolla 218,191 -10.8%

    Fusion 138,489 -27.1%

    Malibu 117,173 -21.3%

    http://www.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    The top 50 cars for sales in 2017 ytd.

    http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/


    1 Honda Civic 36,482 32,807 11.2% 248,928 255,599 -2.6%
    2 Toyota Camry 37,051 32,864 12.7% 247,775 266,748 -7.1%
    3 Toyota Corolla 27,644 32,138 -14.0% 232,504 256,730 -9.4%
    4 Honda Accord 30,019 30,115 -0.3% 221,013 231,415 -4.5%
    5 Nissan Altima 14,694 19,646 -25.2% 183,292 217,290 -15.6%
    6 Nissan Sentra 15,285 14,256 7.2% 146,583 155,806 -5.9%
    7 Ford Fusion 17,378 19,052 -8.8% 138,489 189,982 -27.1%
    8 Chevrolet Cruze 16,500 22,342 -26.1% 133,966 122,796 9.1%
    9 Hyundai Elantra 15,127 20,733 -27.0% 128,666 138,668 -7.2%
    10 Chevrolet Malibu 22,725 16,723 35.9% 117,173 148,868 -21.3%
    11 Ford Focus 12,850 11,772 9.2% 112,076 128,889 -13.0%
    12 Hyundai Sonata 10,866 14,888 -27.0% 97,829 139,932 -30.1%
    13 Kia Forte 10,693 8,307 28.7% 81,461 71,352 14.2%
    14 Kia Soul 14,151 12,253 15.5% 80,228 95,938 -16.4%
    15 Subaru Impreza 9,990 8,513 17.4% 79,911 62,772 27.3%
    16 Volkswagen Jetta 12,409 11,720 5.9% 78,957 81,449 -3.1%
    17 Kia Optima 7,072 9470 -25.3% 74,722 80,317 -7.0%
    18 Toyota Prius 9,551 12,984 -26.4% 74,035 93,086 -20.5%
    19 Nissan Versa 6,759 10,585 -63.1% 71,216 94,902 -25.0%
    20 Dodge Charger 9,569 8,611 11.0% 58,148 62,214 -7.0%
    21 Ford Mustang 5,535 8,299 -33.3% 56,349 80,829 -30.3%
    22 Mazda 3 6,754 7,297 -7.4% 53,995 66,781 -19.1%
    23 Mercedes-Benz C-Class 5,304 6,125 -13.4% 52,755 49,734 6.1%
    24 Volkswagen Golf 5,961 4,840 23.2% 49,791 36,513 36.4%
    25 Dodge Challenger 6,253 5,262 19.0% 47,496 45,443 5.0%
    26 Chevrolet Camaro 5,017 5,604 -10.5% 46,297 47,958 -3.5%
    27 Volkswagen Passat 5,714 7,389 -22.7% 45,994 46,751 -1.6%
    28 Chevrolet Impala 9,452 5,684 66.3% 43,796 67,119 -34.7%
    29 Nissan Maxima 4,424 6,064 -27.0% 41,273 42,807 -3.6%
    30 Hyundai Accent 2,632 8,329 -68.4% 37,262 54,705 -31.9%
    31 BMW 3-Series 5,379 5,885 -8.6% 37,170 45,660 -18.6%
    32 Honda Fit 4,850 5,370 -9.7% 35,976 38,187 -5.8%
    33 Chrysler 300 4,073 5,283 -23.0% 35,436 38,581 -8.0%
    34 Lexus ES 6,404 5,840 9.7% 34,845 39,230 -11.2%
    35 Subaru Legacy 4,210 5,800 -27.4% 33,559 41,369 -18.9%
    36 Toyota Yaris 4,020 2,955 36.0% 33,318 29,767 11.9%
    37 Ford Fiesta 4,247 4,946 -14.1% 32,409 34,577 -6.3%
    38 Mercedes-Benz E / CLS-Class 3,710 5069 -26.8% 32,345 32,752 -1.2%
    39 Ford Taurus 2,903 3,414 -15.0% 29,472 30,869 -4.5%
    40 BMW 4-Series 3,412 2,285 49.3% 26,629 23,747 12.1%
    41 Mazda 6 3,323 4,006 -17.0% 24,814 31,810 -22.0%
    42 BMW 5-Series 3,587 2,606 37.6% 24,799 26,184 -5.3%
    43 Infiniti Q50 2,541 3,745 -32.1% 24,740 26,804 -7.7%
    44 Acura TLX 2,410 3,595 -33.0% 23,970 25,632 -6.5%
    45 Chevrolet Sonic 2,181 4,122 -47.1% 22,691 37,258 -39.1%
    46 Audi A4 2,746 2,965 -7.4% 22,667 20,496 10.6%
    47 Toyota Avalon 2,871 4,116 -30.2% 22,465 31,185 -28.0%
    48 Mini Cooper 3,083 3,651 -15.6% 21,851 25,810 -15.3%
    49 Tesla Model S † 2,400 2,200 9.1% 19,200 17,600 9.1%
    50 Lincoln MKZ 2,160 2,754 -21.6% 18,901 20,415 -7.4%
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    edited September 2017
    Midsize wagons, aside from SUVs, almost don't exist anymore as far as I know, with only a few exceptions—including the Golf Wagon. Right now my local VW dealer has a nicely equipped AWD Golf Alltrack manual for sale for just $22k, marked down from $27k. A turbo, manual, 4 wheel drive wagon for that price seems like a nice deal....

    https://www.bachmanvolkswagen.com/inventory/new-2017-volkswagen-golf-alltrack-s-awd-station-wagon-3vwm17au9hm529252
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    Doesn't Audi still make the Allroad? And the Subaru Outback is basically a heavily clad wagon. There used to be an Impreza wagon too. Is there a difference between a hatchback and a wagon?
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,138
    suydam said:

    Doesn't Audi still make the Allroad? And the Subaru Outback is basically a heavily clad wagon. There used to be an Impreza wagon too. Is there a difference between a hatchback and a wagon?

    Allroad is still available - a friend of my wife bought one recently.

    I'd consider the Outback a true crossover. When we bought ours, we were expecting to be lower to the ground than in the SUVs we had previously. Nope, still the same ride height.

    To me, the difference between a wagon and a hatch is the slope of the rear - a wagon is near vertical, while the hatch is less than 90 degrees.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    edited September 2017
    In terms of sales, Honda now sells more Civics in a month than Mazda sells of the Mazda6 in a whole year....
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    Alex on Autos says the VW Alltrack is his top pick...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSddrE9XhWg&t=1384s
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    benjaminh said:

    Midsize wagons, aside from SUVs, almost don't exist anymore as far as I know, with only a few exceptions—including the Golf Wagon. Right now my local VW dealer has a nicely equipped AWD Golf Alltrack manual for sale for just $22k, marked down from $27k. A turbo, manual, 4 wheel drive wagon for that price seems like a nice deal....

    https://www.bachmanvolkswagen.com/inventory/new-2017-volkswagen-golf-alltrack-s-awd-station-wagon-3vwm17au9hm529252

    I wonder what the conquest bonus requires? But that seems like a good deal. I would take it, if it only had a moonroof!

    actually, if I am going to get in bed with a VW, would be better off getting a 4 door WB Golf with the stick. That has every option I actually need. and is pretty cheap.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    stickguy said:

    benjaminh said:

    Midsize wagons, aside from SUVs, almost don't exist anymore as far as I know, with only a few exceptions—including the Golf Wagon. Right now my local VW dealer has a nicely equipped AWD Golf Alltrack manual for sale for just $22k, marked down from $27k. A turbo, manual, 4 wheel drive wagon for that price seems like a nice deal....

    https://www.bachmanvolkswagen.com/inventory/new-2017-volkswagen-golf-alltrack-s-awd-station-wagon-3vwm17au9hm529252

    I wonder what the conquest bonus requires? But that seems like a good deal. I would take it, if it only had a moonroof!

    actually, if I am going to get in bed with a VW, would be better off getting a 4 door WB Golf with the stick. That has every option I actually need. and is pretty cheap.
    Have you ruled out the Civic?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    probably. Seat cushions were too short. But I will try one again, just for the heck of it. I am just hoping the Accord blows me away in comparison, and for not much more money will get a lot more car.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited September 2017
    Had a 2017 Camry rental for the last 5 days.
    A few things I liked: Seats were comfortable(First in a Toyota for me), side mirrors were good, fit 5 adults when needed, smooth drivetrain and quiet once engine warmed up.
    Stuff I didn't like, Floor shift was frustrating to use(had a strange gated and angled shift pattern), I felt like I was driving a lot faster than I was(thought I was going 65, but was at 55), electronics not at all intuitive, ride was too stiff on short bumps and driving in general degraded with more passengers(it took big bumps better), fuel computer read 4 to 5 mpg too high, no pull down in trunk.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Was the Camry an SE or LE? SE tradeoff never made sense to me since it just makes the car stiff without any real noticeable to the butt performance difference to me.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited September 2017
    I don't recall any badging on the Camry. It seemed to be trying too hard to seem sporty.
    The tires were all 34 psi, so they were even and not overinflated.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    You know Explorer, your Fusion may be the only popular midsized with a sporty flair available. The Accord seems to have softened up and so far Toyota Camry doesn't seem able to be sporty without being stiff. Probably goes back to Ford's European connections. But Ford needs to keep updating before it gets a reputation for stale vehicles I'm afraid. Hopefully the new CEO will not throw all his development dollars at self driving tech and the F-150.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928

    stickguy said:

    I don't sit back there. so who cares!

    But the rear seats are very important: remember the negative hoopla about the Gen 8 Malibu's rear legroom (which was actually longer than the contemporary HyKia twins.
    also, I thought the criticism was about the lack of width in the rear seats. Something where only 3 petite female waif models would fit side by side by side.




    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    benjaminh said:

    Midsize wagons, aside from SUVs, almost don't exist anymore as far as I know, with only a few exceptions—including the Golf Wagon. Right now my local VW dealer has a nicely equipped AWD Golf Alltrack manual for sale for just $22k, marked down from $27k. A turbo, manual, 4 wheel drive wagon for that price seems like a nice deal....

    https://www.bachmanvolkswagen.com/inventory/new-2017-volkswagen-golf-alltrack-s-awd-station-wagon-3vwm17au9hm529252

    I wouldn't call the "S" All Track well-equipped. It is the base model. Now the mid-level SE model is the one to get. That's what my wife got earlier this year. Has pretty much everything anyone could want except for Navigation, huge wheels, and modern nanny safety features (BLIS). The beige interior All Tracks are very nice inside.

    I'd also call it a Compact/mid-size. Not quite mid-size. Passat wagon would be midsize, but you'll have to go used to get that.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited September 2017
    berri said:

    Was the Camry an SE or LE? SE tradeoff never made sense to me since it just makes the car stiff without any real noticeable to the butt performance difference to me.

    Getting a sporty Camry SE or Toyota Corolla S never made any sense to me. If you want sporty, you don't want Toyota.

    The Prius is a penalty box that often causes congestion on the highway.

    Of course, I'm not quite getting the high desire of high-powered fast pickups and SUV's either. The SQ5 seems kind of silly to me, though I do like the power and brakes on it. I suppose if the suspension was adjustable not such a bad thing to be sporty. Still, it isn't so big inside that an S4 wouldn't be better in just about every other way.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    suydam said:

    Doesn't Audi still make the Allroad? And the Subaru Outback is basically a heavily clad wagon. There used to be an Impreza wagon too. Is there a difference between a hatchback and a wagon?

    Don't call the Outback a wagon. It is now called an SUV by Subaru.

    That fact alone improves sales by about 100% in the good old USA.

    If Chevy would have called the Malibu Maxx an SUV they'd of sold more of them :smile:
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    edited September 2017
    andres3 said:

    also, I thought the criticism was about the lack of width in the rear seats. Something where only 3 petite female waif models would fit side by side by side.

    Malibu '14 54.3 in hip room vs 54.9 in hip room in 2014 Sonata sedan. Not a difference to write home about.

    Malibu '14 57.1 in shoulder room vs 56.7 in shoulder room in the 2014 Sonata. Malibu has more.

    Macht nichts.

    https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/malibu/2014/sedan/features-specs/
    https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2014/sedan/features-specs/

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    I never found interior measurements Very useful. Cars that seemed big on paper aren't always in real life. Or comfortable even if numbers say bigger.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    I think the real "sin" by GM was shrinking the previous Malibu with a rear seat that was Passat-like to a smaller back seat. I'm watching now to see if they penalize Accord and, if applicable, the Camry for shrinking their rear seat. The story is that the Accord has less headroom than previously. Will they be punished like a dead horse by the media for making something smaller?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • k5ldbk5ldb Member Posts: 62
    I am debating 2018's, an Optima EX with Tech to have the cooled seats etc. and Camry and Accord. That's if the Accord ever shows up. I presume about a month now but who knows. I really wish they included cooled seats on the top couple of trim levels.
  • k5ldbk5ldb Member Posts: 62
    benjaminh said:

    In fact, we're covered by the extended HondaCare warranty we got till Feb. of 2021. Maybe we'll just keep it till then. We finish paying it off Feb. of 2018.

    Don't stop making the payments. Make them into a separate savings account at your bank and in March 2021 you'll have over $11k to put down on the replacement without having to touch any of your "real" money.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    someone posted that 10/18 was the official release/sale date for the Accord. 1.5l first, 2.0l to follow. So, soon.

    Cooled seats are interesting. I have a tech Sonata, and never bothered with them for the first 2.5 years. Finally tried them out this summer. Actually did notice a difference, so turned out to be a useful feature, but to me, well into the not a deal breaker end of the spectrum.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,542
    k5ldb said:

    benjaminh said:

    In fact, we're covered by the extended HondaCare warranty we got till Feb. of 2021. Maybe we'll just keep it till then. We finish paying it off Feb. of 2018.

    Don't stop making the payments. Make them into a separate savings account at your bank and in March 2021 you'll have over $11k to put down on the replacement without having to touch any of your "real" money.
    Good idea, and we're going to do something close to that. We're going to try to put that $300 every month into our daughter's college fund...
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    I did that; made payments to a savings account for a little over two years after my last car was paid off. It allowed me to put nearly 30% down on my QX60 while moving up in class & size from my old Outlander. The $ I got for the Mitsu are now being using to pay for a 2-week trip to Europe (we fly out Saturday).

    My brother taught me the technique be he takes it farther; he holds on to a car until the amount in savings covers the entire new car. Never has a car loan or eats any interest charges; just a fixed payment to himself every month.

    The savings fund can double as a repair fund as well; if you blow a trans out of warranty or need a new set of tires you can cover it without having to finance the work.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    fushigi said:

    I did that; made payments to a savings account for a little over two years after my last car was paid off. It allowed me to put nearly 30% down on my QX60 while moving up in class & size from my old Outlander. The $ I got for the Mitsu are now being using to pay for a 2-week trip to Europe (we fly out Saturday).

    My brother taught me the technique be he takes it farther; he holds on to a car until the amount in savings covers the entire new car. Never has a car loan or eats any interest charges; just a fixed payment to himself every month.

    The savings fund can double as a repair fund as well; if you blow a trans out of warranty or need a new set of tires you can cover it without having to finance the work.

    Money sure does add up quicker when it isn't going all out the door every month.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    Yup. Which is why my daughter graduating next year, and going out on her own, will make it feel like I got a huge raise. Much less drag on cash flow!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    stickguy said:

    Yup. Which is why my daughter graduating next year, and going out on her own, will make it feel like I got a huge raise. Much less drag on cash flow!

    So you'll have money to burn soon! I see a very good car in your future. :smile:
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    andres3 said:

    stickguy said:

    Yup. Which is why my daughter graduating next year, and going out on her own, will make it feel like I got a huge raise. Much less drag on cash flow!

    So you'll have money to burn soon! I see a very good car in your future. :smile:
    Until she moves back home. :)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    she will pay rent then. even better!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    We just sold our old house of 22 years and are living in a temporary rental house while our new one is built. 22 yr old daughter has been out of the house for 2 years. She lost her job and is now back living with us in the smallish rental house while she looks for a new job. Not easy going from 2 back to 3 after you've been empty nesters for a couple of years. Especially when deciding what's for dinner.....
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    ah yes, dinner menus with another picky palate in the house.

    I actually told my wife last night that if we decided to build new (we were watching an episode of property brothers and the family was in this situation) that I would rather sell my current house right away, and move to a rental while the new place was being built, to avoid the worry about having 2 when it was finished.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    stickguy said:

    ah yes, dinner menus with another picky palate in the house.

    I actually told my wife last night that if we decided to build new (we were watching an episode of property brothers and the family was in this situation) that I would rather sell my current house right away, and move to a rental while the new place was being built, to avoid the worry about having 2 when it was finished.

    It was a great feeling when we found the property and house we wanted to simply write the check on the spot without having to worry about selling the old one first and contingent contracts, etc. And it is nice not having to worry about maintenance or taxes or property insurance for a few months. OTOH moving twice and living in a smaller cheaper house for 10 months isn't great.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    we did it both ways. had a condo years ago, and signed for a new build, put the condo up, and it sold immediately for asking, but needed a quick close. so we got an apartment for 3 months. Was not bad. cramped, but mentally relaxing. Next house, we bought a new one (resale) because the deal was right, but closed before we sold the old one. Carried two for a couple of months, and that was way more stressful, not knowing how long it was going to play out.

    moving twice was not actually the hard part, and today with pods, even easier! considering 90% of the crap we have to pack, if we never saw it again, would be just fine!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Other "mid-sized" wagons: BMW 3 Series, Kia Soul (arguable, but it does have a 90-degree tailgate!), Prius v (arguable again), and Volvo V60. And one more that many people will call a hatchback but looks like a small wagon is the 2018 Elantra GT.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    I plan to take a look at the new Elantra GT to see how that compares. Will still save quite a bit getting another Hyundai.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • k5ldbk5ldb Member Posts: 62
    I'm looking at a Hyundai Sonata for the first time and just found their Boost Up program that matches up to $500 of down payment. I wasn't aware of it but can put buying a car on hold for 30 days for an extra $500 if I decide on the Sonata.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    you can get some amazing deals right now on the 2017 Sonata especially. And from experience I can confirm they are certainly nice, if not particularly exciting, cars. Roomy, comfortable, well equipped, dead stone reliable. If you want a larger mid-size car and those are your priorities, absolutely worth a look.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • k5ldbk5ldb Member Posts: 62
    They do have some excellent deals on 2017's but the updates and upgrades to the 2018 are so significant I don't want to pass them up.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I drove a 2016 Sonata cross country over 3,000 miles with my family last December and found it to be an excellent cruiser--smooth, roomy/comfortable, huge trunk, quiet, plenty of power, and very economical on fuel (on the highway at least). It was just a base model but had everything I'd need in a car. The Sonata isn't flashy but it's a great value with the deals to be had on mid-sized sedans these days.

    Speaking of values, I saw a 2017 Fusion advertised locally yesterday for more than $6000 off, putting the price a little over $17k. Lots of car for the money. Same ad had a discount on a Focus of over $5000, which was a bit over $13k net price--that's used car territory! Fusion and Focus are two of the oldest sedan designs now, but still very nice cars.

    I'm wondering what the impact of Harvey, Irma etc. will have on auto prices. Just with Harvey I saw where 1 million vehicles might need replacing. Who knows what Irma, Jose etc. will bring. That could cause prices for both used and new cars to spike up in the short term, although it might affect SUVs and trucks more than cars since there's lots of those in Texas (and Florida).
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