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Ya know what GM needs? A real bad a**. Maybe they should try to entice someone like Jack Welch to come out of retirement and run the company for a couple of years. Then they'll understand the meaning of cost cutting!
Here are the better things about Arizona that I have discovered: lower cost, but quality housing(although if I lived in either Tucson or Phoenix, prices would be inflated a lot, I'm in an old-cowtown Willcox); sunny and hot weather; a career with growth possibilities and better pay than Boeing(and better overall benefits); excellent scenery(the Grand Canyon is probably the most beautiful sight in nature that I have ever seen)to behold in many nooks and crannies.
Cell-phone and internet service could probably be matched in Seattle-which is of course the homeland of Bill Gates and Microsoft and the holding pen of many vivacious zoo-members working for The Boeing Company.
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"Hundreds of French workers, angry about proposed layoffs at a Caterpillar office, were holding executives of the company hostage Tuesday, a spokesman for the workers said." CNN Money
They are also laying off 2200 US workers and one of their suppliers filed Ch. 11 last week. Global sales are down for the third straight month and their pensions are underfunded.
They sound a lot like the auto manufacturers....
Seems like some sales guys can be hostile. Saw a clip on a tv news program last night where laid-off (or fired perhaps) sales guys were pummelling an older guy. Older guy was not identified. Maybe he was dealer owner or top sales manager. This was at a dealerhip in Michigan.
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Would agree about Grand Canyon. Walked down the path at South Rim (Angel something or other) for about one hour with wife. Trip back up was somewhat longer!! Don't know how to tie this in to UAW.
No, hadn't seen that - Touchè and a point goes to you - Fair enough!
Having said that, the French love to go to the streets and take dramatic actions, and historically it's worked for them. So.... saying that French Workers are on strike and kidnapping managers, is actually just another way of saying, "It's Tuesday".
However, I'd put Caterpillar more in the league with Toyota than with GM. They're not doing well, but there's no life-threatening problem here.... (unless they make that kidnapped American Manager start eating raw snails or something
By the way, note what the workers are angry about:
"The workers were angry that Caterpillar had proposed cutting more than 700 jobs and would not negotiate with the crestfallen workers, said Nicolas Benoit, a spokesman for the workers' union.
Finally, FWIW - CAT's stock is up on the news!
Prev. Close:27.53 Open:28.16 High:28.31 :shades:
I am sure the 2010 model year will be the end of the great performing cars from the Motorcity, 2011 could be the beginning of golf carts for the masses..Played a round of golf yesterday just to see how the performance aspects of the battery powered world feels, you know the answer..
The Hummer is very popular in Iraq by the general population.
Just announced, Ford will make payments up to 1 yr for purchasers who become unemployed, and guess what, GM{Obama Motors} announced a similiar plan with payments up to 9 mos..Guess what???? Obama Motors is broke, so the Govt is now using our tax dollars to pay for cars belonging to the unemployed, plus their mortgage payments...
Elections have consequences!!!!!!!!!!
lol @ if this is Tuesday, we must be on strike in France.
Case wasn't doing so hot either last time I checked.
Wagoner has taken GM from a car company that ranked towards the bottom in quality and fit and finish to having repeat car of the year awards, rave reviews, top shelf interiors and fit and finish, and unveiled the worlds first plug-in hybrid. You act like the management team at GM, was a total failure. That is not true as I've followed Rick Wagoner, ever since I was a child when he was president of North American Operations. Many people believe he is just the scapegoat and if you think Fritz Henderson, who's made more money than Wagoner, some years is going to make a miracle happen well I'm sorry I don't buy it. The only saving grace for him is to follow the Wagoner playbook over the next 10 years as they were on the right path before Wallstreet killed one of most important companies.
GAGRICE: I also wanted to let you know what I saw on the news last night. They showed video footage of employees pounding the crap out of each other at Wayland Chevrolet, on CNN. Did any of you guys catch it???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zKuUDVdXDo
There isn't any successful companies manufacturing anything here in the U.S. right now dbostondriver. Why can't you understand or comprehend that we can't compete with someone living in a grass hut eating rice??? Is that what you want the U.S. to become??
Mualley, is in the same boat with Ford. He sold his profitable arms of Volvo and Land Rover, which gave him a feww billion to buy him time but the end result will be the same. It will just happen later than sooner. I don't think the Job Protection programs that Ford and GM have copied from Hyundai, will make that huge of a impact. We started last week a similar program at our dealership which gave us a advantage on new cars over our competition. Now that advantage has been eliminated except ours works on used cars.
You can ignore the currency manipulation issue all you want pal and keep that head of yours in the sand but the economist say it's impact along with other barriers is killing our export market. FYI- Once again Buick, doesn't export U.S. made automobiles to China, because they don't allow it. You have to build it there to sell it in China. That is the facts and if you don't believe me there was articles posted on this and former UAW forums to back that fact. If a car is imported to China, a certain percentage of it has to be re assembled there. I read a article about how Holden, had to re assemble a partially made car in China, in order to sell it there a few years back.
-Rocky
-Rocky
rock, I don't know if I agree with you on Fo-Mo-Co. If A.Mulally is just cheerleading the masses when he says Ford doesn't appear to need a bailout, then the truth will come out as they try and make that UAW payroll and benefits for the old farts, right?
Tomorrows your Hyundai interview, right, rock?
BTW-I saw a glorious looking roadster yesterday in Sierra Vista, AZ, on the way to the Mitsu dealership for my '08 Lancer GTS' L-O-F. Man, that is one gorgeous hunk of Detroit metal, and not priced sky-high like the Corvette is. Love it and the Pontiac Solstice! I also respect the new Malibu, good car.
Chevy needs to amp down the price on the 2011 Chevy Volt, I know powerpacks are expensive, but I've already found two foreign packages that will be exporting to the U.S. all-electric cars that will be worth investing in the new technology in. I have seen the Volt engineering(somewhat in the car rags) and it's pretty impressive, actually, if it works properly. But $40,000? Sheesh. :sick:
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Basic job requirements were, digital switching both land and cell. Microwave radio and tower maintenance. Internet networking Cisco certs both DSL and Fiber optic transport. Digital PBX installation and repair. Pole climbing for telco installations and cable splicing. Cable TV was helpful not required. Plus basic mechanical skills to maintain trucks. Pay $38 per hour with medical benefits and 3% to 401k. Plus additional $7 per hour into the Teamster Pension plan. Work 26 weeks per year 10 hours per day guaranteed. We never hired anyone with less than 10 years experience.
Minimum retirement age 58. No medical for retirees. That was dropped a long time ago as unsustainable. Too bad the UAW and D3 were blind to reality.
That usually means that it is going to go upwards. I work in AlliedHealthcare, as you know, and if it were up to me I'd lower fees on our services. It's nuts too much. :shades:
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Yep. They sell Hyundai, Nissan, Jeep, Dodge, Pontiac, GMC, and from what I've been told I will be able to jump from brand to brand and sell whatever I can to the customer. That will be nice because I'm at a single point Chevy store and don't have the flexibility in the product line to make the switches. You will see single point stores disappear in this "Brave New World"
-Rocky
Or perhaps Friday. :shades:
No kidding, the Solstice or Sky would've been on my list in early '07 if I weren't so totally enamored by Mitsubishi's new world order Lancer/EVO/Ralliart packages. I need a 4-door sedan, but love so many of the roadsters/coupes.
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-Rocky
Go sell 'em tiger!
Lokki
The citizens voted for a person who can hard hard decisions. These are hard decisions.
Why? even after 100 years do people still want to live there? Reminds me of RockyLee who doesn't want to move despite facing hardships.
I know. But this should be made a condition on the negotiations. Rather, I see that you would list CEO makes $10million. So the workers need a salary increase too.
There should have been a demand to reduce the payscales of these C-level folks.
-Rocky
And Wagoner isn't a scape goat. Every move he maid was reactionary. Where Ford took steps to avoid this crisis, Wagoner did everything after things came to a head. Less than a year ago he was saying everything is fine, GM will be the leader again.
Also GM quality might be better, but it still pales in comparison to the other manufactures. GM products are a generation behind on that standpoint.
As for the Volt, the president just said it wasn't a viable product. It might not even see the light of day.
And I won't read any propaganda from the UAW, period.
If GM is so great, keep selling Chevys. Your actions spell volumes about the state of GM. You can't sell crap, so you sell a better made Korean automobile.
-Rocky
This is not the first time I have heard this excuse,and you do not need to be a Michigander to understand it.
Bunch of my friends are heading back to India after living in the USA for 5-7 years. They say they miss the Indian lifesyle, friends and family.
Fact is many people make this decision every day. The worst part about it is that in reality they never get what they moved back for.
>If I'm going to struggle well I want it to be around family and friends.
You got that OK.
>Moving away is no guarantee for success.
Absolutely not. That is why your forefathers moved from Europe to USA so that they could get a guaranteed pay scale working with the UAW. Did UAW exist 200 years ago? Maybe not. You tell me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_GM
http://www.gmchina.com/english/
http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/asia_pacific/chin.jsp
GM in China
General Motors is the best selling foreign auto maker in China.[14] The Buick brand is especially strong, led by the Buick Excelle subcompact. Cadillac initiated sales in China in 2004, starting with imports from the United States. GM pushed the marketing of the Chevrolet brand in China in 2005 as well, moving the former Buick Sail to that marque. The company manufactures most of its China-market vehicles locally, through its Shanghai GM joint venture. Shanghai GM, a joint venture between the Chinese company SAIC and General Motors, was created on March 25, 1997. The Shanghai GM plant was opened Dec. 15, 1998, when the first Chinese-built Buick came off the assembly line. The SAIC-GM-Wuling Automobile joint-venture is also successful selling trucks and vans under the Wuling marque (34% belongs to GM).
GM plans to create a research facility in Shanghai for $250m to develop hybrid cars and alternative energy vehicles. This move has been criticized because it pushes outsourcing to the very limit.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/30auto.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&p- artner=rss&emc=rss
If GM is so great, keep selling Chevys. Your actions spell volumes about the state of GM. You can't sell crap, so you sell a better made Korean automobile.
If I'm forced to stay here for the time being I'm okay with that. I'm not going to change my feelings about the issues that affect so many just because I might switch teams and sell a few Hyundai's, Nissan's. I have no control over management at mt dealership and the other dealer who happens to sell non-GM, brands also called me thus I'm going to check it out. I might not like it there at all. I will have to see and weigh my options.
-Rocky
-Rocky
The UAW didn't exist 200 years ago because people back then weren't very intellegent. We have made more progress in the last 30 years than mankind has in it's history. However labor unions were around in Europe, way before the UAW, was thought of.
-Rocky
Shall we get back to UAW news?
Ok, a little aside for CAW news:
No reason to go back to table with GM, CAW says (Reuters)
CAW Chief: Willing To Talk To Chrysler; New GM Contract Set (WSJ)
And if China is so bad, why was Wagoner touting it. Ask your self this, what is better for GM not making and not selling cars in China, or making and selling cars in China.
And if you have no control over management, move to another dealership. Sell Cadillacs.
I couldn't find a quote saying most GM's are made in China. You doctored that quote didn't you Rocky.
Looks like the CAW and UAW are playing Chicken with GM and bondholders.
Correction: No one looking for a Hyundai gives a damn at all! That's the problem with today's Americans! :mad:
And if China is so bad, why was Wagoner touting it. Ask your self this, what is better for GM not making and not selling cars in China, or making and selling cars in China.
I am happy GM, is the most popular car company in China. I just don't think it's fair they can dump on our market and they can tariff, barrier, or just not allow imports all togeather into there country while we don't have any restrictions. This is what Virg Bernero, has spoken out against and is why our trade deficit is so large despite them having a billion more people than us.
I will be competing with the dozens of unemployed car sales consultants at these other dealerships. Some with really good resumes with years of experience. I might know more than them but they bring to there next dealer a clientel with thousands of people who do you think is going to get the job???
The Cadillac dealership isn't hiring pal. I've checked a month or so ago. They had Hummer and Lexus with them and I know people that work there and they aren't selling large numbers either. The big boys who would buy those big ticket items are holding tight waiting to see if there heads going to be chopped. It's just rough times right now!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
And there's nothing un-American about buying a Hyundai. Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
Everybody here seems to be chug-a-lugging the Hyundai Kool-Aid. To me, the Genesis looks like a Toyota Avalon knock-off with an ugly grille.
The fundamental reason cars aren't selling is that credit is tight and too many people's credit is dinged. Those people who have good credit and would've bought a car are fearing for their jobs. A good friend of mine informed me that he just lost his job at IBM after 14 years. This guy has a wife and kids and I feel bad for them. They're really nice people. At least if I'm toppled, I won't be dragging any innocent people down the toilet with me.
He's actually had a few Cadillacs. Earlier on, he drove an Eldorado, looked like one of those shrunken '86-91 styles. I wonder if the 4-door might just have been a poorly drawn Seville with one of those carriage roofs? Or did they show that UAW-made beauty with the top actually down?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123845520759371353.html?mod=article-outset-box
Regards,
OW
-Rocky
I also will mention that lemko, is correct in saying the Korean unions make the UAW look like Pussycats and they earn an above average wage in there country!!!
-Rocky