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So, of course we shouldn't overlook Hyundai's success throughout the world but let's also not singing the praise yet since they are still in an up hill climb here.
If the Genesis has butter soft leather and big wide American-sized seats, buyers will sit in it long enough to appreciate the rest of the car. Otherwise, it will get a lukewarm reception.
-Rocky
-Rocky
http://bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=national&No=89208&page=1&s- elect=&content=&r_no=0&search_gubun=&s_pagescale=&search_day=&Answer=0
http://bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=national&No=89175&page=1&s- elect=&content=&r_no=21&search_gubun=&s_pagescale=&search_day=&Answer=21
I also like the interior
Genesis should be a winner for Hyundai
Point is that Hyuundai can compete if they make a line of cars that deliver on the promise. However, they need to get the cars right to start with and to market them.
I see lots of Hyundai "Duh" and "think aobut it" ads. Neither one is trying to convince people to buy a car and would not get me to consider looking at Hyundai. Sell the cars, not the philosophy!
Remember that Lexus, Acura and Infiniti stole customers from BMW, MB, Audi, etc. Hyundai can do it too by building better, more reliable cars than the others and selling them at a reasonable price.
In case you haven't noticed Toyota and Lexus both have much higher mark ups than Hyundai and will not back off them. Best offer I got on the Lexus was $2,500 off full MSRP, leaving the dealer with a $5,500 profit and this during their December to Remember sales event.
Merry Christmas to all and to all good night!
I liked the previous E-class so any change isn't change for the better.
The Duh campaign is a dud...... For those people who do not have a DSL or cable internet line it takes FOREVER to download. I agree with "scbob" on his comments
Leaving you all to ponder this. Happy Holidays!
My Dad had one! We called it 'Fat Albert'!! "Hey, Hey, Hey!!!!"
Replacing the struts helped, but not totally.
That's why Hyundai replaced the suspension for 2008 and advertises it as a new suspension.
See this weeks Time magazine. Big Hyundai ad inside and on back cover. Average reader or person thinking about a new car wouldn't even know it was a car ad, much less get them to look at a Hyundai.
But, I think that Hyundai is more optimistic than you, and, if they keep building fine cars like the Azera, they may do very well indeed!!!!!! I'd like to buy another car, but I can't seem to find any that, for our needs, are superior to our '6 Azera!
PS: I've read some complaints here about Azera gas mileage, but on a recent 77 mile round trip, I averaged 31MPG on regular at 66MPH!! Many so-called 'economy cars' don't do much better than that!!!
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On another note, the Azera is indeed a fantastic vehicle, only if more people would discover such...
Crisis may make 1929 look a 'walk in the park' (Telegraph.co.uk)
Meanwhile "Hyundai faces significant challenges going into 2008 with pricing that some consider aggressive in the face of Japanese competition and very high levels of production from its Montgomery, Ala., plant, where it makes the Sonata sedan and Santa Fe sport utility vehicle.
A significant piece of its strategy will be the introduction of its first luxury sedan, the Genesis. "They know they have to move their products upmarket," said Todd Turner, president of Car Concepts Inc., a car consulting firm. "Hyundai is desperate to build upon their image."
Whether or not the Genesis, and a sports car relative of it known as the Genesis Coupe, sell well, Hyundai may be forced to offer significant price discounts on its remaining fleet to increase sales volume in 2008. Analysts expect total U.S. sales of cars and light trucks to reach about 15.5 million next year, significantly lower than projected 2007 sales of 16 million."
LA Times
Don't buy the "Gloom and Doom" predictions. Steady as she goes. Don't panic and dump your investments. These minor setbacks are normal in a slowing economy. A wise old investor said "the stock market tends to fluxuate". Look at the large picture. The world economy is doing great. We are part of that economy.
Genesis will sell to the people looking at a quality vehicle if the quality and price get their attention. Hopefully, worldwide!
I'm with you on the economy. People see normal blips in a few indicators and extrapolate that to everything. I don't think Joe97 meant that everything is gloom and doom, just that there are adjustments here and there that could be a factor to some car buyers.
We shall see. It's only a month or so before Genesis debuts. I think it will cause quite a stir among the car enthusiasts and the enthusiast trade magazines. What I don't know is how it will resonate with the average car buyer with $30-$45K to spend. Judging by Hyundai's last 3-4 releases, I think those who actually drive the car will be very impressed.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, guys and gals!
It's like the old bumper jack that lifted the car up two notches then lowered it one. Although the car went up and down along the way, the important thing was that it eventually got lifted to where you wanted it!
If the economy is indeed slowing, that only means that there will be more people who may enjoy owning a luxury car but will not be comfortable paying Lexus or BMW prices. They may look around and discover that even on their limited budgets they can still afford a fine luxury car if it's built in Korea rather than in Japan or Germany!!
If the economy remains good, more people driving mundane cars may find that they can next drive a fine luxury car for about what a plain Ford, Chevy, or Honda would cost!
In either scenario, the outlook for Azera and Genesis should be bright!
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Sure you can - Banshee Riverboards (I given this outfit at least 3 plugs here and I still haven't gotten an invite to try one out).
I bet a Hyundai luxo-barge would make a good shuttle vehicle. :shades:
Sure you can, you just have to know how to do it.
Better they be "desperate" to upgrade their bottom feeding US dealer network. Who in their right mind will even consider 35-40K at a flying H dealer?
Anyone who realizes that a similar car with a European nametag may cost 40-50K!!
There seems to be an assumption on this forum that the 'rich' are vain and stupid! Most 'rich' folks in this country do not flaunt their wealth or piss it away. People do not become rich, or stay rich, by being stupid or vain! They do so by making wise financial decisions, and that would include not paying $50K for a $40K car!! Ask any luxury car saleman how often some 'rich guy' comes in and buys a car without checking the price and trying to negotiate a better deal! I'll bet not many!!
PS: These foreclosures and lower real estate prices may not be good for some people, but there are other people who will now be able to afford to buy a home that was priced out of their reach before!
The people with ARM didn't complain about initially paying less interest than their neighbors. They knew that these were ADJUSTABLE, but bought houses that they really couldn't afford anyway. They may even have thought that their neighbors were fools for paying extra to get a Fixed Rate mortgage! Now they are being struck with economic reality, and they don't like it!!
Meanwhile, perhaps some of the folks that made wise decisions will be able to buy a better home at a lower price, or a quality car for a lot less money!!
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I see your point. But it's like saying a Hyundai Excel is similiar to a 750. Or an Accord is similiar to a TL.
"Most 'rich' folks in this country do not flaunt their wealth or piss it away."
I don't know what the "rich" do, I only know what my wealthy associates do. And yes, some of them do as you put it, piss away their minory. This includes buying real luxury vehicles. So I am not sure of what your point is. Are you saying the rich will flock to the Genesis because it is a direct replacement for a 550i at a fraction of the price?
Actually, there is some similarity between the Accord and TL. They are roughly the same size, they are from the same company, and I would not be surprised if there were shared components.
LOL, good point. Like you, i dont see anything wrong with Hyundai trying to compete in the luxury car segment. Sounds to me like anyone badmouthing the attempt before they even try is just scared to face the fact that a newcomer may actually make something better then the same old three nameplate luxury game. Competition keeps you creative. Plus Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW have had the same looking cars for years. Yes, they do redesign them but they are more evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Its simply the look at me, im important senerio. There is an old saying in the car business..."anyone can lease". I know a couple people who work at a major bank and they told me when seeing peoples checking accounts and saving accounts that the flashier the car they pull up in is, the lower the account balances. A lot of people with 'Real" money, like grossing over a million a year, usually stay low key so no one asked to borrow money from them.
I encourage Hyundai to continue its quest to enter the luxury market. That way when your 30 some thousand dollar Genesis blows past a 5 Series, you can laugh all the way to the bank.
A souped up Neon could blow past certain 5-series, but I'd rather still drive the 5 series. A big engine does not a luxury car make.
Good point. One can compare anything to anything. But here in the real world just saying it doesn't make it so.
Are you saying that besides a good engine, the Genesis has nothing?
I suggest you wait and give the car a through, impartial (yea, right!) test drive instead of condemning it before it even hits the street.
It might be a very nice entry level luxury sporty sedan.
I didn't say it was, but that is the sentiment on this board. The Elantra beats out the Corolla in the same way the Civic does. But the Corolla is the leader in this segment. The Sonota is not as nice as the Camry, but it is also less money. There are those who say the Veracruz is a better RX350 at $10K less. Yeah right. It may be a better value at $10K less, like a Timex is a better value than a Rolex at $69990 less.
I think it was a major auto mag that made the comparison between the RX and Veracruz. I would take the Veracruz over the RX if I wanted a mini SUV. I can also afford a Rolex. I happen to think they are a TOTAL waste of money. I will keep using my cheapo Casio that keeps close enough time for all my needs. Plus it has a handy calculator for figuring gas mileage. If the Genesis were to come out of the gate and be compared by a major magazine to one of the Lexus or BMWs, it would make for interesting debate.
http://www.the-genesis.co.kr/
It's easy to say comparing Hyundai's top-end offering today, the Veracruz, to a Lexus is like comparing a Timex to a Rolex. It's another thing to back it up with real experience, or at least with professional opinion.
I happen to like expensive watches, My Vacheron doesn't get enough usage for sure. I don't need a gas calculator.
Any magazine can put any word on a piece of paper and have it be a modicum of truth. The real story will come out in time.
You are probably not as cheap as I am. I like to know what my vehicles use. Not that it makes any difference in what I drive. A friend bought one of those gold Rolex watches. Then bought a $25 knock-off in Hong Kong that looks the same. He wears the cheap one and the expensive Rolex is in the gun safe. That I consider a waste.
To put it another way: what do you think the response would be on the Toyota-oriented discussions if someone were to post there every other day or so, "Toyotas are overpriced hunks of junk!" in those words and similar words, without any substantiation? That person would be entitled to his/her opinion too, right?
I don't think I said that. In fact, I don't even think that... not yet.
Acura, Infiniti, and especially Lexus were pioneers in the American near luxury market. They had to learn everything the hard way. If they would have had 3 excellent cars to learn from like Genesis did, it wouldn't have taken them nearly as long to advance.
BTW, although I consider the 5 Series a great driving car, the quality does not impress me. BMW simply can't hang with the above Japanese cars. Things start falling off way too soon. My Son's 5 Series makes all sorts of drive line noise. The fancy mirror on his M Coupe leaked some kind of goo, and nearly ruined his seats and carpet. Luckily it was still in warranty... by 1 week!
Happy New Year!
Your right, they are ahead of them by miles in one regard, and equal in other.. Should I post some links that I have to Lexus, Infiniti, Acura and Hyundai lemon buybacks? We could get into it to see who can hang with who.
I'm calling you on that. Show me where BMW has fewer buybacks than the Japanese cars.
BMW has nice coach work, but their electrical, electronic, and mechanicals simply don't hold up. The Japanese cars are far more reliable beyond 3-4 years. Cost of ownership absolutely skyrockets on the 5 Series, but not the Japanese cars.
Hyundai is an unknown at this point. They made their turnaround with the 2006 models, and it's about a year too early to tell yet. The NF Sonatas, Azeras, Santa Fe's, and Veracriz's are doing great so far. I think the newer models will do even better.